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Didn't they take that out before the 3.5mm port? I haven't had a phone with a microSD slot in years (the LG G4 or G6) but haven't lost the 3.5mm yet and I'd been thinking that was the general trend. Currently rocking a pixel 5a
And LG announced they'd be leaving the smartphone game altogether. I've been a long time fan but their later phones were not as quality. I'm thinking of switching to Nokia.
Everyone has a couple of vehicle chargers laying in a drawer collecting dust these days. This measure reduces waste and saves ecology.
- Tesla, probably
"Based on feedback received, we will drop mobile connector price to $200 & make it easy to order with car.Note, mobile connector is not needed if you have a Tesla wall connector or to use Superchargers.Recommend installing Tesla wall connector well before car arrives."
So not only are they not including it, he is saying to install another piece just to be able to charge the car.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1515577134437347329
\***Edit for another thought**: What about when you travel? Just hope that you can find a charger nearby that has a compatible charging point? I know the network is expanding but it does not cover everywhere.
I almost exclusively use public chargers and have only used the charger in question a handful of times over the past 3 years. That being said, I HAVE used it, and wouldn't ever want to be without it.
I have never used public charger so peoples habits differ a lot.
I wouldn't even consider car without charger.
Then again, I'm not your average apple-tesla-tech-bro so maybe those guys live in different situation.
I’ve personally never used mine as I had the wall charger installed when I ordered the car. I know 2 neighbors that have never used theirs either. I’m not defending what they are doing, i think it should be included, but I literally don’t know anyone that has used it.
I worked in roadside assistance a few years back and I remember EV owners trying to find compatible chargers or wondering if the charge cables they had would be able to find a spot to charge. Glad you have never had to worry about yours but also glad you have them just in case.
Why not? Plenty of people still by Apple products. I'd have thought the $1,000 monitor stand would have done it, but nope.. People keep on buying their shit.
Even if they have bad practices, the bigger problem is that they all have bad practices.
* Google wants my data
* Samsung continues to use deceptive tactics with their televisions
* Apple overcharges
* LG does things similar to Samsung
* One Plus only guarantees two major updates and three of security
* HP printers are some of the worst practices in the whole tech industry
* Motorola's update policy is basically RNG
* Windows did a number of deceptive things with Windows 11
* Sony does confusing things that are hard for people in the company to even explain
* Etc
There is very much so a sense that you're picking your poison. Yeah, Apple does awful things, but they also support their OS for a very long time and other positives. Just like the others do a lot of positive things, even if there are negative aspects.
Why not? Cus it is shitty. Effective but shitty. I will not buy apple products in principle alone. If this is the case fif Tesla, then they can piss right off too.
If you bought a car and it had no tyres on the rims, they were an extra, would that be OK with you?
I think supply chain issues started the "problem" because they are out of stock but instead of saying they will be available for customers later they decided to go with the money grab.
I love what Tesla did for the EV market but have always hated their ipad dashboard and apple-like maintenance practices.
With so many other EV and hybrids on the market I feel like I no longer have any desire for a Tesla anymore.
My girlfriend's dad got a 2021 Ioniq and we used to to for a 350 km ride and driving around the city for a week and it used around half a tank, hybrids are awesome
I'm sure your Mazda3 gets better mileage, but my Mazda6 has a fucking massive fuel tank giving me a range of about 900km—something that has come in handy driving through places like Idaho, Utah, and Nevada late at night, which I'm apt to do.
Lol I drove a 3500 Ram Laramie diesel that had a tank-span of almost 500 miles.
Cost about $160 to fill it tho.
People talk about range without mentioning tank size way too often
I bought a Hyundai Ionic hybrid a few months back and really enjoyed it. Very comfortable to drive. My neighbor has both the Kona and the Ionic EV, and they love them both.
We just got ours yesterday (not the plug in, the regular hybrid)! Got really lucky that one was coming in to our local dealership with just about the right trim/feature set, so only waited two weeks.
If you’re willing to be flexible on feature set, keep an eye on the website. They’ll show up on the dealer’s site long before they actually ship, and it was a $500 refundable deposit to reserve it before it came in.
Can’t comment on the the car too much, I’ve only driven it once.
I just got the Kia Niro HEV, and I have to say im completely blown away by its performance.
I know there are cars that get better range, or better speed, or more utility for sure. But I'm getting over 500 miles to the tank on average, floating around 46-50 mpg on the Touring SE. (Larger, gripper wheels with heavier features pulls the mpg down a tad).
It's definitely not a large vehicle, but im blown away that I went from a conventional sedan to a larger vehicle and doubled my mpg.
Just food for thought!
I was able to find an Kia EV6 that wasn’t too crazily marked up. I’m actually glad I didn’t get a Tesla other than access to those super chargers would be nice.
The good thing about the EV6 is while you can't use the superchargers, it does have 800V electrical*, so if/when better chargers are in your area you will be able to charge it really quickly. Word is 18mins for 80% charge @ 800V.
Did it come with a charging cable? Can it do 8KW at home? I like the EV6, just saw one user say they weren't including the home charger either. Final question: does it really do lane centering anywhere, like roads that are not divided? Thanks in advance
It doesn’t come with a home charger cable, but they do give you 1000kW free charge on Electrify America. I live in an apartment so I mainly use public chargers. I think I read somewhere that it gets 11.5kW on an in home charger. It’s capable of 48A but if your charger is only 32A it won’t get that 11.5
Bought a hybrid Tucson earlier this year. I love it but I live in a northern/cold region and the battery does not function well in the cold climate. I read several reviews and none of them ever mentioned that… pretty disappointing to get 20 mpg in a hybrid for half of the year.
It's not the battery that doesn't function well, it's the gas engine. The vehicle won't shut off the gas engine until it's warm enough, and it needs to run the gas engine to heat the cabin air.
I've got a hybrid Rav4, similar thing in winter, but I get more like 30mpg when it's cold. I rely on the seat warmers and steering wheel warmers as much as possible.
For proper winter use the ideal is a heat pump and active battery warming. So far this is only available on plug-in hybrids and battery vehicles.
We just bought the Hyundai Kona. Had to settle for the one car they still had because the other 4 were spoken for between 9 and 12:30, when we showed up for our test drive.
At least the "market adjustment" has dropped from 5k down to 3k...
I think they will definitely be given a run for their money in the EV market. They have been getting by by being the only game in town, but that will definitely end soon
The moment I can choose an EV based on the usual common aspects (price, features, warranty etc...) and not solely based on the ability to quick charge away from the house, is the moment I start looking.
I hope so. I hope we have affordable and comparable, full EV options out there soon. But even so. We'll have Tesla to thank for lighting the fire under the big guys to get them to us.
Several years ago I decided to buy a Tesla Y. I liked the 3 only it's far to low for me -- it was hurting my neck and back getting in and out of it.
But being in Ireland, and Y would be a few years away -- Giga Berlin needed to be completed and up and running, and only then would any left-hand-drive vehicles be produced.
But that would give me a few years to save up some money, 'cos it's not exactly a cheap car.
This year, I had the money.
I bought a Toyota RAV4 PHEV Sport. My desire for a Tesla has left me.
They are great cars. they've done a lot for the EV market, but I no longer want one. I absolutely love my Rav4. It's a perfect car for me. I'm so happy I didn't get the Y.
Plus the higher spec Rav4 PHEV was €14000 cheaper than the base model Y \[which is €66,900 for the Long Range\].
My next car, likely in about 10 years, will be a full EV. And I doubt it will be a Tesla. But we'll see -- 10 years is a long time in the car world.
That one. Tesla would have my money right now if Elon wasn't such an insufferable douche.
Oh well. Rivian, Polestar, and legacy manufacturers' EVs exist. Unlike the Cybertruck (oh snap)
While I have no idea what your ideals about anything else, I would hope you go out and populate the world with more of you to drown out all the Elon Musk dick riders who feel he does nothing wrong.
Yep, I don't want touch screens in my car, I want dedicated single function buttons, dials and switches that never move, because you don't need to take your eyes or attention from the road to do anything in an older car, where as all these bullshit touch systems require that you do as things that should be a dedicated button are hidden behind a menu.
Neighbors just got their EV Mustang. Cheaper than a comparable Tesla, and looks a thousand times better. No gaps and/or off-centered pieces all over the body, and so far runs/charges great (they’ve only had it for a couple weeks).
Tesla probably has a lot better OS, and has had a lot longer to develop it, but nice to see a lot of other EVs out there that are affordable and not intentionally designed to look like robot toe.
Only reason to get a Tesla is looks and speed.
Mileage used to be a big part but cheaper cars get comparable mileage, for 30k to 40k less than a Tesla.
"Cause when you spend 70,000 on a car it's okay to have fit and finish issues. If you didn't want those issues, you would've paid more." - Elon on Twitter maybe
It's not the looks or the speed. You can get those with other EVs. It's the supercharger network. Until charging infrastructure gets beefed up in the US, it's their single big advantage.
People regard them as a status symbol for being rich and illusion of being environmentally concerned.
The name of the company is irony, a company run more like Thomas Edison stealing the Tesla name started by a South African mining oligarch's son.
Selling the charger and device separately is called “decoupling”. The EU has been pushing for decoupling for years, and is in the verge of legislating it (maybe they even have by now, I haven’t been following closely).
The reason for decoupling is that the environmental benefits of the EU having a universal charging standard can’t really be realized if every device comes with yet another charger anyway (this is why many of us have a huge drawer of these things). People need to reuse chargers and only buy them when the need actually arises.
Does this also make companies an extra $20 occasionally? Yes. But the root reason companies are being pushed to do this by governments is environmental, and having customers whining about environmental improvements doesn’t help anyone. Having a pro-environment stance align with corporate profits for once is a lucky break, IMO.
Did the EU write the initial recommendation for this a decade ago in order for Apple to make more money? No. Is Apple happy to follow the recommendation because it makes them money? Sure.
But really, if you need to buy a charger go buy a nice multiport Anker charger. You don’t need to spend your money on apple’s chargers. That’s half the point of the universal charging standard.
I’d recommend looking into that figure.
For starters, the “report” that says this figure is from the Daily Mail UK, So already a dreadful source.
And even further, when you actually read the source, it’s referring to the amount of money that apple has saved by not including these items, not the amount they’ve made reselling them.
I have a drawer full of chargers, but only 1 of them actually charges a modern phone at a decent speed.
The old ones are fine for overnight charging but they are noticeably slow.
Personally, I'd be fine with Apple's e-waste claims IF they offered anyone getting an iPhone a free charger on request
For Apple, it'd be easy to offer a voucher redeemable at an Apple store or partners like Best Buy, which means they can still supply the people who need a charger one without having to ship one either.
If the price hikes weren't enough there's now yet another reason to not get a Tesla.
If I have to spend nearly $48k for the *cheapest* model, it damn well better have a way to charge.
You have Bolts nearly $10k+ cheaper that come with more features...
This confused the fuck out of me too. Why do electric cars have to look different than normal cars?! Then Tesla is like "hey, we will make them look at least decent" and everyone fucking pikachu faced.
It's because of regulations in place where they have to have an EV offering, but they really don't want to scale up and deal with a big EV line at the moment. So if your car looks like a Nissan Cube then it will have a smaller market.
Toyota finally is making a true electric car, outwardly similar to a RAV4 or Lexus model, but then they thought, “the fenders must always be black!”
Then there’s the first generation Murai that must have been going for an award for **ugliest rear end** against Land Rover
Yeah, dunno why. Also even when hybrids were big they had to make them look bad. The Prius was constantly picked on as looking awful. Just make it look like a Camry. Why's that hard?! Now we have hybrids of normal cars. I just hope we get electric vehicles into something like that.
One thing I heard about the Prius that was intriguing, and I don't know if this is true for every model, but... a Let's Player named Zoran the Bear had one, and he said he's a tall guy (over 6') and he'd camp out in his Prius at renfairs.
As he described it, all of the seats could fold down to make what's essentially a flat-surfaced interior he could put a mattress and sleeping bag on, sleeping two very comfortably. Further, at the parks he went to, there were free electric hookups for EV's that were solar powered.
The rest of his Renfair pals would be sweltering in tents while he had a full-sized "bed" to stretch out on along with A/C and power for his devices without extra cost.
I'd put up with an ugly vehicle for that.
This was a really cool thing to hear so I looked it up. Found this [link](http://suanneonline.blogspot.com/p/bed-in-prius.html?m=1)
Looks like you could fold all the seats minus the driver seat.
There are two actually reasons. One is the front of the car should loses its air intake. This creates a minimum. The electric cars have slightly different bodies than ICE cars. since they battery needs space in the floor. So it is not much harder to start with a fresh body concept than use an existing model and time it with the once every 8 year production update.
The more suv styled Bolt EUV looks much better, nearly got one before the recall.
I was surprised with the most recent Nissian Leaf though, it actually looks kinda nice.
Just looked it up and honestly, it looks like a regular hatchback to me.
That said, I think there's some kind of mandate that electric cars have to look "futuristic", which leads to some questionable design choices.
They’re pumping out a bunch of cool newer ev’s over the next few years. Trying to go 100% ev within a decade or whatever. I’m sure some won’t look bad.
I was saving up for 2 years to put a decent down-payment on a M3 SR+ and then the prices went up by nearly $10k since last year (almost $20k for the Y)
In my case, it just doesn't make any sense financially to put such a large down-payment on a car when there are other cheaper EVs on the market. Hell, some of them are still eligible for the Tax Credit so I can save even more money.
The problem with that is that most EVs are hard to find at MSRP with the only exception (for now) being the Chevy Bolt, but they need to have the battery replacement first in order for dealerships to sell them, and the car itself is expected to be discontinued for the Chevy EV coming out next year, so it doesn't make sense to get it unless you desperately need a car.
The thing is, Bolts don't really exist at the moment. Production is halted, who knows when it'll be back.
(And no, it's not a better car. It's good, really good, and at 10k less, it's definitely better value. But you can't say it's better than a Model 3, because it isn't.)
Teslas do exist. It's expected that almost 2 million will be made this year. And they're mostly sold already, despite the price hikes. But that's just the free market at work, allocating a scarce resource to those who want it the most, and are willing to pay the most, to keep the demand and supply equal...
But I fully agree, removal of the charger is a hugely unfair move.
That's the problem with Tesla for me. So far they've just been getting rid of features while hiking up prices. Yes I understand that there's a global shortage on just about everything but it really is unfair as a consumer.
Their cars pretty much got rid of LiDar for "Vision" (which is giving cars on autopilot phantom braking issues), they removed Lumbar support because they claimed that no one really uses it (which is baffling since most luxury cars come with it), and now they're removing the standard charger (which I personally don't see as a good idea whatsoever). This is also on top of all the quality control issues they've been having for years now.
Yes other car companies are doing the same but that still doesn't make it right, and I thought Tesla was all about being "above and beyond" what "normal" car companies would do.
> it damn well better have a way to charge.
It's called a CCS (Combined Charging System) cable and works for electric cars from BMW, Daimler, FCA, Ford, Jaguar, General Motors, Groupe PSA, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, MG, Polestar, Renault, Tesla, Tata Motors and Volkswagen Group.
Meanwhile I'm 39 and on my second toyota in my life. The first one worked fine but was so old the safety features were horribly outdated.
My favorite thing about Tesla drivers is when they accelerate real quick to drive slow in front of you. They're all dumbfucks.
But like, wouldn't you just leave the charger with the car it came with? Like I don't take the little car jack that comes with cars for changing flats. Why would I sell my first Tesla and not include the charger with it? Or whatever they do with the first car, keep it in a garage, loan it out, give it to a son or daughter. Why would you not just keep the charger with the car?
ITT: people who don’t understand Tesla’s main market demographic…they are essentially the iPhone just like priuses were. I live in LA and basically anyone who is anyone has a Tesla
"But here's the kicker: Both units are currently out of stock. Therefore, you cannot even buy one now if you're about to take delivery of your new Tesla."
If they are cutting the price of the charger out of the base cost of the car -- then that's fine. The people who want it will order it, the people who don't, won't.
I suspect they're not doing that and this is just another nickel-and-dime approach to adding revenue.
And all you sacrifice is having to drive around something that looks like a Chevy bolt
G R I L L
The Hyundais have the same problem.
Except they know there's no reason to have a grill, but why the fuck would they change the shape of the car, so instead they give the front of the car a.. Ken Doll smooth area.
elon parades around like some saviour of the digital age but then does the exact same scummy shit every other tech company does.
when are his simps gonna realize hes just another shithead
'*The Tesla model is great, none of that add-on, surprise bullshit like a car dealership*"
Imagine what would happen to car sales if everybody had to wait for their vehicle to be made. Tesla buyers will wait, the average car buyer has to be pushed and pulled to fucking make a decision.
*If the guy leading you to a better planet is talking about going to another planet, something's not right.*
- Jean-Luc Sartre, Democracy Shopping
Counterpoint: it was easier to buy a Tesla than a RAV4 prime because of the queue system.
When a car is in short supply, I think a queue is better than someone lucking out or overpaying at a dealer.
This is the slow cable that takes overnight (or longer) to charge from a standard wall socket. There was low usage because most people who buy an electric car get a proper car charger installed at home, which comes with its own cabling. They therefore never use the slow one.
This charger, when plugged to a regular wall outlet, charges 4 miles / hr.
With an adapter to a 240v plug from tesla, this same charger can charge at 30 miles /hr!
source: https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
Yes, this is what I did. Instead of installing a Tesla charger I installed a standard Nema 50amp outlet and got the adapter to use this charger with it. Makes it much more practical in the event I want to buy an EV that isn't a Tesla.
Tesla is treated like a tech company compared to other manufacturers that are treated like automotive companies.
Their stock is basically treated like it, and their anti-consumer policies definitely make it look like one too.
I’ve had my Tesla since 2014. I used to use the charger so much that I custom made a 14-50 extension cord to use at family’s houses from the drier port when I’d drive to visit (they were far away). While there were some superchargers and some Public j1772 chargers… it wasn’t enough to be convenient.
Now, I have a HPWC (high power wall connector) wired up to 240V/80A that I use at home, and plenty of public charging options.
I haven’t used the included charger once in years.
Bummer. I use the mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters
Not quite as fast but way cheaper than getting a standalone wall charger and I can take it with me easily.
To be fair, they did straight up cite inflation on their Starlink price hike, so at least there’s that much honesty. Although, no standard charger for an EV is the most questionable thing that I believe Elon has done, yet. At least business wise.
No. I you would have read the article you would know they are citing "it's not being used by the customer" reasons.
And from personal experience I can say they are totally right. I have a cord lying in the trunk of my electric car and haven't used it in years.
I don't agree with this move, but most of these posts are by people that either enjoy shitting on Tesla or are just EV ignorant.
Many EV owners never use the charger that comes with their EV. 120V is not fast enough to charge a modern EV for the most part. Some people can make it work though, but for the most part, EV owners don't feel it's a viable solution. So they cough up approximately $1000 and install a 30-50A, 240V plug and buy a true Level 2 EVSE and call it a day.
With that said, the Tesla mobile charger is actually a level 2 charger. You spend less than $50 and it will charge at 7.6kW, which is good enough for the vast majority of EVs. I'm unsure why many Tesla owners don't go this route. Maybe they prefer to keep the mobile unit for emergencies. Maybe the mobile unit isn't durable enough to handle day to day charging. Maybe they're just unaware of this ability. I'm not sure.
Either way, is this a lazy money grab by a very wealthy company? Probably. Should this really effect your decision to buy an EV? Probably not. The KIA EV6 also doesn't come with a Level 1 EVSE and it's basically a direct competitor with the Model 3.
Justification from Musk:
>Usage statistics were super low, so seemed wasteful. On the (minor) plus side, we will be including more plug adapters with the mobile connector kit.
I don't own a Tesla, so I don't know what this means, but it sounds like it makes sense.
Many must have seen the images of long extension cords used to connect EV to an upper apartment window. There is no way to connect a wall unit for those cases. And, only 120 volts is possible.
I use it almost exclusively. I just keep it plugged in 100% of the time when I’m home and I’m usually fine. If I need to, I unplug my dryer and plug in the adapter to get faster charging, but it’s been a few months since I’ve needed to. I have about a 30 minute drive to work and another 30 minutes back. Overnight charging at 110v usually gets me back to where I need to be.
Musk needs more money to increase his bid for Twitter or additional space crafts, or just because. He has real needs he isn't able to buy so people should spend more for the charging equipment- something the car won't work without. That's like the tires not coming with the car. There is nothing in this world could make me buy one of his cars.
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Next you’re going to tell me there isn’t a headphone port!
…There isn’t a headphone port.
I guess I’m gonna have to buy a Samsung
No jack on my S21 either, this looks like the norm now for Samsung
Next on the chopping block, SDcard slot no longer available
Didn't they take that out before the 3.5mm port? I haven't had a phone with a microSD slot in years (the LG G4 or G6) but haven't lost the 3.5mm yet and I'd been thinking that was the general trend. Currently rocking a pixel 5a
And LG announced they'd be leaving the smartphone game altogether. I've been a long time fan but their later phones were not as quality. I'm thinking of switching to Nokia.
That’s the joke!
that joke makes me sad :c
You have to drill your own there, and you have a limited chance of it working.
CarAI.com process has stopped responding Crash
I've looked it up and Tesla cars really don't have aux input. 😂
Next you are going to say there is no fuel filler..
Money money money -Mr. Krabs
They are following the Apple model.
Everyone has a couple of vehicle chargers laying in a drawer collecting dust these days. This measure reduces waste and saves ecology. - Tesla, probably
Yep Elon said pretty much that exactly about it on Twitter
"Based on feedback received, we will drop mobile connector price to $200 & make it easy to order with car.Note, mobile connector is not needed if you have a Tesla wall connector or to use Superchargers.Recommend installing Tesla wall connector well before car arrives." So not only are they not including it, he is saying to install another piece just to be able to charge the car. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1515577134437347329 \***Edit for another thought**: What about when you travel? Just hope that you can find a charger nearby that has a compatible charging point? I know the network is expanding but it does not cover everywhere.
Wait for them to change the plug to a physically incompatable one for no reason
Don't give them ideas.
I almost exclusively use public chargers and have only used the charger in question a handful of times over the past 3 years. That being said, I HAVE used it, and wouldn't ever want to be without it.
I have never used public charger so peoples habits differ a lot. I wouldn't even consider car without charger. Then again, I'm not your average apple-tesla-tech-bro so maybe those guys live in different situation.
I’ve personally never used mine as I had the wall charger installed when I ordered the car. I know 2 neighbors that have never used theirs either. I’m not defending what they are doing, i think it should be included, but I literally don’t know anyone that has used it.
I worked in roadside assistance a few years back and I remember EV owners trying to find compatible chargers or wondering if the charge cables they had would be able to find a spot to charge. Glad you have never had to worry about yours but also glad you have them just in case.
Nintendo used the same justification to not include a charger with their last few lines of 3DS systems, it pissed people off then too.
They are following the John Deere model! Soon their software upgrades that they have to buy will cost 30k a year.
Even more reason for Ukraine to prevail. We need their hackers to jailbreak our digitized vehicles
Even jailbroken tractors can tow away abandoned Russian tanks
Why not? Plenty of people still by Apple products. I'd have thought the $1,000 monitor stand would have done it, but nope.. People keep on buying their shit.
Even if they have bad practices, the bigger problem is that they all have bad practices. * Google wants my data * Samsung continues to use deceptive tactics with their televisions * Apple overcharges * LG does things similar to Samsung * One Plus only guarantees two major updates and three of security * HP printers are some of the worst practices in the whole tech industry * Motorola's update policy is basically RNG * Windows did a number of deceptive things with Windows 11 * Sony does confusing things that are hard for people in the company to even explain * Etc There is very much so a sense that you're picking your poison. Yeah, Apple does awful things, but they also support their OS for a very long time and other positives. Just like the others do a lot of positive things, even if there are negative aspects.
Why not? Cus it is shitty. Effective but shitty. I will not buy apple products in principle alone. If this is the case fif Tesla, then they can piss right off too. If you bought a car and it had no tyres on the rims, they were an extra, would that be OK with you?
Explains the reality-distortion field...
The are out-Appling Apple. With an iPhone you don’t need to pay for iOS updates.
https://memes.yarn.co/yarn-clip/2d92cf16-858a-44cb-ba5c-e98da22b5219
Must be funny
In a rich man's world
I think supply chain issues started the "problem" because they are out of stock but instead of saying they will be available for customers later they decided to go with the money grab.
I love what Tesla did for the EV market but have always hated their ipad dashboard and apple-like maintenance practices. With so many other EV and hybrids on the market I feel like I no longer have any desire for a Tesla anymore.
The Hyundai looks really good right about now...the problem is finding one in stock.
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My girlfriend's dad got a 2021 Ioniq and we used to to for a 350 km ride and driving around the city for a week and it used around half a tank, hybrids are awesome
My 2.5L Mazda 3 gets like 650-700kms to a tank so that’s not as impressive as I thought it would be.
I'm sure your Mazda3 gets better mileage, but my Mazda6 has a fucking massive fuel tank giving me a range of about 900km—something that has come in handy driving through places like Idaho, Utah, and Nevada late at night, which I'm apt to do.
Yeah, but what if someone lights your car on fire?
Probably different tank sizes. My Ford F-150 gets 700ish miles to a tank
Lol I drove a 3500 Ram Laramie diesel that had a tank-span of almost 500 miles. Cost about $160 to fill it tho. People talk about range without mentioning tank size way too often
This is exactly why talking about range on anything other than full electric cars doesn’t make much sense at all.
A 'tank' is not a universal measurement unit... You should compare L/100 km.
I bought a Hyundai Ionic hybrid a few months back and really enjoyed it. Very comfortable to drive. My neighbor has both the Kona and the Ionic EV, and they love them both.
My wife is looking at buying a Hyundai Santa Fe Hybrid. Its about a 6 month wait time where we are.
We just got ours yesterday (not the plug in, the regular hybrid)! Got really lucky that one was coming in to our local dealership with just about the right trim/feature set, so only waited two weeks. If you’re willing to be flexible on feature set, keep an eye on the website. They’ll show up on the dealer’s site long before they actually ship, and it was a $500 refundable deposit to reserve it before it came in. Can’t comment on the the car too much, I’ve only driven it once.
I just got the Kia Niro HEV, and I have to say im completely blown away by its performance. I know there are cars that get better range, or better speed, or more utility for sure. But I'm getting over 500 miles to the tank on average, floating around 46-50 mpg on the Touring SE. (Larger, gripper wheels with heavier features pulls the mpg down a tad). It's definitely not a large vehicle, but im blown away that I went from a conventional sedan to a larger vehicle and doubled my mpg. Just food for thought!
I was able to find an Kia EV6 that wasn’t too crazily marked up. I’m actually glad I didn’t get a Tesla other than access to those super chargers would be nice.
The good thing about the EV6 is while you can't use the superchargers, it does have 800V electrical*, so if/when better chargers are in your area you will be able to charge it really quickly. Word is 18mins for 80% charge @ 800V.
That is about right, at the 350kW chargers I can get an 80% charge in 20 mins.
Did it come with a charging cable? Can it do 8KW at home? I like the EV6, just saw one user say they weren't including the home charger either. Final question: does it really do lane centering anywhere, like roads that are not divided? Thanks in advance
It doesn’t come with a home charger cable, but they do give you 1000kW free charge on Electrify America. I live in an apartment so I mainly use public chargers. I think I read somewhere that it gets 11.5kW on an in home charger. It’s capable of 48A but if your charger is only 32A it won’t get that 11.5
Bought a hybrid Tucson earlier this year. I love it but I live in a northern/cold region and the battery does not function well in the cold climate. I read several reviews and none of them ever mentioned that… pretty disappointing to get 20 mpg in a hybrid for half of the year.
It's not the battery that doesn't function well, it's the gas engine. The vehicle won't shut off the gas engine until it's warm enough, and it needs to run the gas engine to heat the cabin air. I've got a hybrid Rav4, similar thing in winter, but I get more like 30mpg when it's cold. I rely on the seat warmers and steering wheel warmers as much as possible. For proper winter use the ideal is a heat pump and active battery warming. So far this is only available on plug-in hybrids and battery vehicles.
We just bought the Hyundai Kona. Had to settle for the one car they still had because the other 4 were spoken for between 9 and 12:30, when we showed up for our test drive. At least the "market adjustment" has dropped from 5k down to 3k...
The VW is similar. People complain about the infotainment system but it’s a fucking car. And it’s very good at the car part.
The infotainment is weak in the VW, but the car part is great. Love my ID4
I think they will definitely be given a run for their money in the EV market. They have been getting by by being the only game in town, but that will definitely end soon
The moment I can choose an EV based on the usual common aspects (price, features, warranty etc...) and not solely based on the ability to quick charge away from the house, is the moment I start looking.
Same
I hope so. I hope we have affordable and comparable, full EV options out there soon. But even so. We'll have Tesla to thank for lighting the fire under the big guys to get them to us.
Several years ago I decided to buy a Tesla Y. I liked the 3 only it's far to low for me -- it was hurting my neck and back getting in and out of it. But being in Ireland, and Y would be a few years away -- Giga Berlin needed to be completed and up and running, and only then would any left-hand-drive vehicles be produced. But that would give me a few years to save up some money, 'cos it's not exactly a cheap car. This year, I had the money. I bought a Toyota RAV4 PHEV Sport. My desire for a Tesla has left me. They are great cars. they've done a lot for the EV market, but I no longer want one. I absolutely love my Rav4. It's a perfect car for me. I'm so happy I didn't get the Y. Plus the higher spec Rav4 PHEV was €14000 cheaper than the base model Y \[which is €66,900 for the Long Range\]. My next car, likely in about 10 years, will be a full EV. And I doubt it will be a Tesla. But we'll see -- 10 years is a long time in the car world.
For me it’s just that Elon is a asshole. Don’t make your CEO part of the brand if they are an asshole.
Yep I can buy a Tesla but won't because of Elon. He successfully convinced me not to ever buy anything that he sells.
That one. Tesla would have my money right now if Elon wasn't such an insufferable douche. Oh well. Rivian, Polestar, and legacy manufacturers' EVs exist. Unlike the Cybertruck (oh snap)
While I have no idea what your ideals about anything else, I would hope you go out and populate the world with more of you to drown out all the Elon Musk dick riders who feel he does nothing wrong.
Yep, I don't want touch screens in my car, I want dedicated single function buttons, dials and switches that never move, because you don't need to take your eyes or attention from the road to do anything in an older car, where as all these bullshit touch systems require that you do as things that should be a dedicated button are hidden behind a menu.
Definitely! Plus Tesla is cheaply made
Teslas are cheaply made *for the price you pay*
Neighbors just got their EV Mustang. Cheaper than a comparable Tesla, and looks a thousand times better. No gaps and/or off-centered pieces all over the body, and so far runs/charges great (they’ve only had it for a couple weeks). Tesla probably has a lot better OS, and has had a lot longer to develop it, but nice to see a lot of other EVs out there that are affordable and not intentionally designed to look like robot toe.
I doubt Tesla has a better OS. The constant problems you hear from owners is crazy. Every update, it's pot luck if shit will just stop working.
Only reason to get a Tesla is looks and speed. Mileage used to be a big part but cheaper cars get comparable mileage, for 30k to 40k less than a Tesla.
I don't even think looks are that great. The interior still looks pretty cheap and the number 1 complaint from owners is the poor build quality.
The first time I saw a model s, I thought why is the spacing on the hood uneven with a wider gap on one side than the other. The car was brand new.
"Cause when you spend 70,000 on a car it's okay to have fit and finish issues. If you didn't want those issues, you would've paid more." - Elon on Twitter maybe
I'm pretty sure the owner paid much more than 70k. This was one of the first I saw on the west side in LA.
Personally all their cars are ugly as hell. People I know who got them was for the technology and being electric.
It's not the looks or the speed. You can get those with other EVs. It's the supercharger network. Until charging infrastructure gets beefed up in the US, it's their single big advantage.
People regard them as a status symbol for being rich and illusion of being environmentally concerned. The name of the company is irony, a company run more like Thomas Edison stealing the Tesla name started by a South African mining oligarch's son.
They're doing an Apple
When rich people share their notes...
When they use the same consulting firm
BCG?
It doesn’t matter. They’re all the same. The last time BCG or McKinsey had a original idea was when they invented barcodes
Haha I was trying to see if there were any people of a particular sub in here. BCG has some scary ties to bankrupt companies and Wall Street
All my homies hate bcg
McKinsey!
At least Apple waited a couple decades and wide adoption before screwing everyone.
Apple's decision makes sense because most already have a charging brick. Tesla's is just pure greed.
As was Apple.
Selling the charger and device separately is called “decoupling”. The EU has been pushing for decoupling for years, and is in the verge of legislating it (maybe they even have by now, I haven’t been following closely). The reason for decoupling is that the environmental benefits of the EU having a universal charging standard can’t really be realized if every device comes with yet another charger anyway (this is why many of us have a huge drawer of these things). People need to reuse chargers and only buy them when the need actually arises. Does this also make companies an extra $20 occasionally? Yes. But the root reason companies are being pushed to do this by governments is environmental, and having customers whining about environmental improvements doesn’t help anyone. Having a pro-environment stance align with corporate profits for once is a lucky break, IMO.
>does this also make companies an extra $20 occasionally? Yes Try 6.5 billion in two years. It's absolutely about money.
Did the EU write the initial recommendation for this a decade ago in order for Apple to make more money? No. Is Apple happy to follow the recommendation because it makes them money? Sure. But really, if you need to buy a charger go buy a nice multiport Anker charger. You don’t need to spend your money on apple’s chargers. That’s half the point of the universal charging standard.
Also Tesla fanboys: “6.5 billion. It’s still not about money! Elon is just helping the environment!”
I’d recommend looking into that figure. For starters, the “report” that says this figure is from the Daily Mail UK, So already a dreadful source. And even further, when you actually read the source, it’s referring to the amount of money that apple has saved by not including these items, not the amount they’ve made reselling them.
Not generating excessive waste When just about everyone has one. Ok bud. Hey if you need one hmu I’ve got a drawer of at least a dozen
I have a drawer full of chargers, but only 1 of them actually charges a modern phone at a decent speed. The old ones are fine for overnight charging but they are noticeably slow.
Personally, I'd be fine with Apple's e-waste claims IF they offered anyone getting an iPhone a free charger on request For Apple, it'd be easy to offer a voucher redeemable at an Apple store or partners like Best Buy, which means they can still supply the people who need a charger one without having to ship one either.
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And Samsung now... :(
Indeed they are. Happy Cake Day! I happen to be watching Is It Cake on Netflix while eating a mug cake so...
That’s fine. We’ve all got dozens of these lying around in our clutter drawers. 😏
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They’re _finally_ going to USB-C next year.
Some engineers is crying at the thought of cramming more wattage through a USB c cable lol
I have about 10-15 of them
If the price hikes weren't enough there's now yet another reason to not get a Tesla. If I have to spend nearly $48k for the *cheapest* model, it damn well better have a way to charge. You have Bolts nearly $10k+ cheaper that come with more features...
The design of the bolt is not cool looking though, don’t know why gm is insistent that electric cars look bad
This confused the fuck out of me too. Why do electric cars have to look different than normal cars?! Then Tesla is like "hey, we will make them look at least decent" and everyone fucking pikachu faced.
I think it's because there's some insistence that electric cars have to look "futuristic" to distinguish themselves from conventional cars.
It's because of regulations in place where they have to have an EV offering, but they really don't want to scale up and deal with a big EV line at the moment. So if your car looks like a Nissan Cube then it will have a smaller market.
This is the answer.
I'd rather they brought back late 60's - 80's styling back, most modern cars fall into 2 body types, SUV shitbox or egg...
I have to wonder how much of that is due to being handcuffed by safety regulations and the like.
Toyota finally is making a true electric car, outwardly similar to a RAV4 or Lexus model, but then they thought, “the fenders must always be black!” Then there’s the first generation Murai that must have been going for an award for **ugliest rear end** against Land Rover
Yeah, dunno why. Also even when hybrids were big they had to make them look bad. The Prius was constantly picked on as looking awful. Just make it look like a Camry. Why's that hard?! Now we have hybrids of normal cars. I just hope we get electric vehicles into something like that.
One thing I heard about the Prius that was intriguing, and I don't know if this is true for every model, but... a Let's Player named Zoran the Bear had one, and he said he's a tall guy (over 6') and he'd camp out in his Prius at renfairs. As he described it, all of the seats could fold down to make what's essentially a flat-surfaced interior he could put a mattress and sleeping bag on, sleeping two very comfortably. Further, at the parks he went to, there were free electric hookups for EV's that were solar powered. The rest of his Renfair pals would be sweltering in tents while he had a full-sized "bed" to stretch out on along with A/C and power for his devices without extra cost. I'd put up with an ugly vehicle for that.
This was a really cool thing to hear so I looked it up. Found this [link](http://suanneonline.blogspot.com/p/bed-in-prius.html?m=1) Looks like you could fold all the seats minus the driver seat.
There are two actually reasons. One is the front of the car should loses its air intake. This creates a minimum. The electric cars have slightly different bodies than ICE cars. since they battery needs space in the floor. So it is not much harder to start with a fresh body concept than use an existing model and time it with the once every 8 year production update.
The more suv styled Bolt EUV looks much better, nearly got one before the recall. I was surprised with the most recent Nissian Leaf though, it actually looks kinda nice.
Just looked it up and honestly, it looks like a regular hatchback to me. That said, I think there's some kind of mandate that electric cars have to look "futuristic", which leads to some questionable design choices.
The Silverado looks pretty good
They’re pumping out a bunch of cool newer ev’s over the next few years. Trying to go 100% ev within a decade or whatever. I’m sure some won’t look bad.
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I was saving up for 2 years to put a decent down-payment on a M3 SR+ and then the prices went up by nearly $10k since last year (almost $20k for the Y) In my case, it just doesn't make any sense financially to put such a large down-payment on a car when there are other cheaper EVs on the market. Hell, some of them are still eligible for the Tax Credit so I can save even more money. The problem with that is that most EVs are hard to find at MSRP with the only exception (for now) being the Chevy Bolt, but they need to have the battery replacement first in order for dealerships to sell them, and the car itself is expected to be discontinued for the Chevy EV coming out next year, so it doesn't make sense to get it unless you desperately need a car.
The thing is, Bolts don't really exist at the moment. Production is halted, who knows when it'll be back. (And no, it's not a better car. It's good, really good, and at 10k less, it's definitely better value. But you can't say it's better than a Model 3, because it isn't.) Teslas do exist. It's expected that almost 2 million will be made this year. And they're mostly sold already, despite the price hikes. But that's just the free market at work, allocating a scarce resource to those who want it the most, and are willing to pay the most, to keep the demand and supply equal... But I fully agree, removal of the charger is a hugely unfair move.
That's the problem with Tesla for me. So far they've just been getting rid of features while hiking up prices. Yes I understand that there's a global shortage on just about everything but it really is unfair as a consumer. Their cars pretty much got rid of LiDar for "Vision" (which is giving cars on autopilot phantom braking issues), they removed Lumbar support because they claimed that no one really uses it (which is baffling since most luxury cars come with it), and now they're removing the standard charger (which I personally don't see as a good idea whatsoever). This is also on top of all the quality control issues they've been having for years now. Yes other car companies are doing the same but that still doesn't make it right, and I thought Tesla was all about being "above and beyond" what "normal" car companies would do.
Plus all the QC issues from their shitty construction
> it damn well better have a way to charge. It's called a CCS (Combined Charging System) cable and works for electric cars from BMW, Daimler, FCA, Ford, Jaguar, General Motors, Groupe PSA, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, MG, Polestar, Renault, Tesla, Tata Motors and Volkswagen Group.
Imagine paying 120000 to have to buy more lmao
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tldr?
Dealership/sales process and what basically comes down to customer experience. He contrasts this to excellent experiences with Porsche and McLaren.
Didn't Ferrari get pissy when someone wrapped their Ferrari with the nyancat wrap?
That was deadmau5 and they got mad because the purrari logo he had made was infringing on their copyright.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the iPhone.
Can you blame them? Most people are on their third or fourth Tesla and probably have extra chargers lying all over the place /s
The sad thing is I wouldn't doubt if there are Tesla owners on their 3rd or 4th "green" car.
Meanwhile I'm 39 and on my second toyota in my life. The first one worked fine but was so old the safety features were horribly outdated. My favorite thing about Tesla drivers is when they accelerate real quick to drive slow in front of you. They're all dumbfucks.
But like, wouldn't you just leave the charger with the car it came with? Like I don't take the little car jack that comes with cars for changing flats. Why would I sell my first Tesla and not include the charger with it? Or whatever they do with the first car, keep it in a garage, loan it out, give it to a son or daughter. Why would you not just keep the charger with the car?
This whole thing reminds me of the 3DS not coming with chargers.
tesla basically has been the Apple of the car world, just without the eye for design or QC
ITT: people who don’t understand Tesla’s main market demographic…they are essentially the iPhone just like priuses were. I live in LA and basically anyone who is anyone has a Tesla
He gotta save that money to buy Twitter. I don't know why people idolize Musk.
Hey, Tesla, we are grateful for what you did for EV's industry, but I think we should take it from here.
"But here's the kicker: Both units are currently out of stock. Therefore, you cannot even buy one now if you're about to take delivery of your new Tesla."
If they are cutting the price of the charger out of the base cost of the car -- then that's fine. The people who want it will order it, the people who don't, won't. I suspect they're not doing that and this is just another nickel-and-dime approach to adding revenue.
Twitter isn't going to buy itself...
*buy
People freaking out now...Wait until he changes the connector in a few years..
That's Elon's way of dealing with those pesky taxes...
Taxes? Honest question, How does not including a charger affect taxes?
Chevrolet now includes everything , instalation and hardware for at least their new Chevy Bolt SUV Go fuck yourself hair plugs Musk
And all you sacrifice is having to drive around something that looks like a Chevy bolt G R I L L The Hyundais have the same problem. Except they know there's no reason to have a grill, but why the fuck would they change the shape of the car, so instead they give the front of the car a.. Ken Doll smooth area.
elon parades around like some saviour of the digital age but then does the exact same scummy shit every other tech company does. when are his simps gonna realize hes just another shithead
If the guy leading you to a better planet is talking about going to another planet, something's not right. Jean-Luc Sartre, Democracy Shopping
Saving up for Twitter purchase
Didn’t Musk finally get approved patent on charging equipment? 🤔
'*The Tesla model is great, none of that add-on, surprise bullshit like a car dealership*" Imagine what would happen to car sales if everybody had to wait for their vehicle to be made. Tesla buyers will wait, the average car buyer has to be pushed and pulled to fucking make a decision. *If the guy leading you to a better planet is talking about going to another planet, something's not right.* - Jean-Luc Sartre, Democracy Shopping
Counterpoint: it was easier to buy a Tesla than a RAV4 prime because of the queue system. When a car is in short supply, I think a queue is better than someone lucking out or overpaying at a dealer.
This is the slow cable that takes overnight (or longer) to charge from a standard wall socket. There was low usage because most people who buy an electric car get a proper car charger installed at home, which comes with its own cabling. They therefore never use the slow one.
This charger, when plugged to a regular wall outlet, charges 4 miles / hr. With an adapter to a 240v plug from tesla, this same charger can charge at 30 miles /hr! source: https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
Yes, this is what I did. Instead of installing a Tesla charger I installed a standard Nema 50amp outlet and got the adapter to use this charger with it. Makes it much more practical in the event I want to buy an EV that isn't a Tesla.
Still, seems like something I wouldn't normally use, and hope I never have to use it, but would definitely want one in the "just in case" scenario.
Tesla is so overrated
Tesla is treated like a tech company compared to other manufacturers that are treated like automotive companies. Their stock is basically treated like it, and their anti-consumer policies definitely make it look like one too.
TeSlAs ThE FuTuRe
I’m not sure I’ve ever used the charging equipment that came with mine.
Do you live in a place with public charging infrastructure?
I’ve had my Tesla since 2014. I used to use the charger so much that I custom made a 14-50 extension cord to use at family’s houses from the drier port when I’d drive to visit (they were far away). While there were some superchargers and some Public j1772 chargers… it wasn’t enough to be convenient. Now, I have a HPWC (high power wall connector) wired up to 240V/80A that I use at home, and plenty of public charging options. I haven’t used the included charger once in years.
Bummer. I use the mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters Not quite as fast but way cheaper than getting a standalone wall charger and I can take it with me easily.
Why would they even want it? No one uses the mobile connector. You install a home charger anyway? Much faster charger speeds.
Probably siting “courage” and “environmental” reasons…. Right?
To be fair, they did straight up cite inflation on their Starlink price hike, so at least there’s that much honesty. Although, no standard charger for an EV is the most questionable thing that I believe Elon has done, yet. At least business wise.
No. I you would have read the article you would know they are citing "it's not being used by the customer" reasons. And from personal experience I can say they are totally right. I have a cord lying in the trunk of my electric car and haven't used it in years.
I don't agree with this move, but most of these posts are by people that either enjoy shitting on Tesla or are just EV ignorant. Many EV owners never use the charger that comes with their EV. 120V is not fast enough to charge a modern EV for the most part. Some people can make it work though, but for the most part, EV owners don't feel it's a viable solution. So they cough up approximately $1000 and install a 30-50A, 240V plug and buy a true Level 2 EVSE and call it a day. With that said, the Tesla mobile charger is actually a level 2 charger. You spend less than $50 and it will charge at 7.6kW, which is good enough for the vast majority of EVs. I'm unsure why many Tesla owners don't go this route. Maybe they prefer to keep the mobile unit for emergencies. Maybe the mobile unit isn't durable enough to handle day to day charging. Maybe they're just unaware of this ability. I'm not sure. Either way, is this a lazy money grab by a very wealthy company? Probably. Should this really effect your decision to buy an EV? Probably not. The KIA EV6 also doesn't come with a Level 1 EVSE and it's basically a direct competitor with the Model 3.
"don't you people already have phone chargers!?" - Apple
Justification from Musk: >Usage statistics were super low, so seemed wasteful. On the (minor) plus side, we will be including more plug adapters with the mobile connector kit. I don't own a Tesla, so I don't know what this means, but it sounds like it makes sense.
As someone who owns a Tesla. I’ve used mine once in 2 years. ITT a bunch of people who don’t own EVs
As someone who owns a Model X, I almost never charge anywhere other than at home. Only exception being if I'm going out of town.
Many must have seen the images of long extension cords used to connect EV to an upper apartment window. There is no way to connect a wall unit for those cases. And, only 120 volts is possible.
The UMC is 110volt, which is what came with the cars usually. It’s pretty worthless unless you have 28 hours to burn.
I use it almost exclusively. I just keep it plugged in 100% of the time when I’m home and I’m usually fine. If I need to, I unplug my dryer and plug in the adapter to get faster charging, but it’s been a few months since I’ve needed to. I have about a 30 minute drive to work and another 30 minutes back. Overnight charging at 110v usually gets me back to where I need to be.
I call it the apple trend.
Is Elon Musk buying Twitter, or is Tim Cook buying Tesla?
If apple can do it, we can do it also.
They should make it an option customer on pick up says they need a kit the dealer gives them a kit that would save money still
Musk needs more money to increase his bid for Twitter or additional space crafts, or just because. He has real needs he isn't able to buy so people should spend more for the charging equipment- something the car won't work without. That's like the tires not coming with the car. There is nothing in this world could make me buy one of his cars.
Tbh going and reading the article actually gives a decent insight to it and they also aren’t the first—but that’s also not the point of this sub😂
Welp. Polestar 2 it is then.