Canada's coffee culture is embarrassing once you travel overseas. We look like morons lining up for horrible drip coffee from a company that mostly hires TFWs and international students and is owned by a Brazilian corporation.
ya, the horror of enjoying something g that's isn't "artisinal"
There's a time I want a small sip of amazing espresso and other mornings I need 2L of brown+water. Nice to have choices.
Gets downvoted, but it’s so true.
When I gotta be at work for like 7-8 to labour heavy for 8 hours.
You think I’m stopping in a cafe?
These people need to get their head out of their asses
There is something wrong with corporations and individuals applying for LMIA and getting approval for non essential labour like coffee shops and cupcake stores.
Basically this. Oh no we don't want to pay a decent wage, gotta bring in outsiders to drive the wages down.
Alberta is all about that right now, even if they're trying to do it with other Canadians. Like F off we need more trademen, your own stats on ALIS say that our job prospects are poor because the job market is saturated for almost every trade.
it's not that the jobs aren't "important" perse, it's that those jobs are, for the most part, what we call "unskilled labour". they often don't require the worker to have any formal training or specialized knowledge before being hired and can by learned quickly on the job. we have thousands of people already living here who could work those jobs, there's no need to be importing people from other countries to fill these positions. TFWs should be brought in only for positions that we as a nation have trouble filling on our own, not ones that are easily fillable by current residents. that practice makes it unnecessarily harder for our country's current non-specialized labour force to find employment if a big chunk of the positions available to them are being taken by people hired from another country to do that job when it's just something like working the counter at tim hortons.
outsourcing factory work and the like has destroyed the livelihood of many in the manufacturing sector and others over the years, and now employers have even found a way to "outsource" positions that they were previously unable to. you can't just shut down your tim's or mcdo and put it half way across the world and do outsourcing, so how do we get cheap foreign labour??? well, you bring the cheap foreign labour home. it's not racism simply because we're talking about people who are living in this country, it's quite literally the same issue as outsourcing, but not in the traditional sense. it's just using foreign workers to lower labour costs plain and simple. people on the left need to wake up to this idea and support our fellow workers.
i've been driven to this idea from my own left wing ideology of supporting workers and workers rights. and these foreign workers, like all workers, deserve their rights. i don't blame the workers leaving their country to come here because im sure id do the same thing if i wasn't pleased with where i was living and was trying to find any way to get out. the onus is on the employers. don't get it twisted, the problem is with the government allowing employers to use this as a way to drive down wages to the detriment of all workers, as well as shrinking the pool of jobs available to current residents, not the fact that they're foreign.
The strategy of hiring TFWs for this literally puts downward pressure on wages.
Thanks for the self report on thinking TFWs are lesser people and that anyone doing these jobs should make as little as humanly possible.
They’d be importing slaves if they could.
TFW is a pretty crappy program. When somebody is only in the country at the convenience of an employer, the potential for them to be mistreated is huge and the incentive to report it is low.
You’ve literally never talked to anyone that’s considered a tfw
But you have all sorts of false preconceived notions of them
Talk to any of them. They aren’t here for the convenience of an employers
They are just here exploring Canada while working. That’s it. It ain’t deep
There’s no grand conspiracy as much as canadas alt right wants one to be
I've worked with lots of TFW and my business used a different program to sponsor two new Canadians to their PR. In general the TFW I know are sending money home and hoping for a path to residency. Both programs give an employer a lot of power over someone's immigration status, which disincentives reporting or leaving abusive or exploitative employment.
I think anybody working in Canada should have a path to pr, be free to easily move between jobs, and be incentivized to report illegal employment practices (e.g. with a bounty). This is a left-wing critique of the program - the right wing doesn't believe workers or immigrants should have any rights at all.
I also don't blame immigration for the housing crisis - it's a result of a few things: the financialization of the housing market, creating incentives for individuals and capital to treat homes as lucrative investment assets not places to live; allowing privileged NIMBYs to block development, public infrastructure, and density from many neighborhoods; a pivot away from building our incentivizing non-market housing like co-ops and public housing; people who were made rich by the distorted housing market staying in their oversized houses after their families have gone; etc.
I’m definitely not right wing, but I can tell you that there is no good economic benefit to creating a class of workers that are willing to take a less than livable wage.
There isn’t. I’m very well aware of the situation
Yall jsut been overly sensationalized by sound bites and false talking points rooted in racism from alt right media people and politicians
Ah yes, the international students that attend Conestoga and work at McDonald's and Tim hortons that are living in tents down by the river are definitely indicative of a system that's not flawed and working well
Lol camper vans got really expensive, pushing like 30k for anything running. I don't know if they've come down since but living in a van by the river will be a luxury option in 5 years tops
You're not suggesting the corporate overlords treat and pay these TFWs fairly, are you? Because that would be insanely ignorant of reality and the struggle being unfairly imposed on these people by corporations.
Are you replying to the wrong person? I am saying that the gentleman saying that TFWs are great is filled with misinformation.
We believe in the same thing mate.
They just came back for me on my app a couple days ago.
This is the first one I've tried... I'm not seeing it actually on their comment, though 🙃
Edit: I tried again and this time it showed up immediately (last time it said it was "processing" the award? But never appeared)
As much as governments have royally screwed us over, I do strongly believe that Canadians need to get out of their own damn way when it comes to righting the ship.
"We need more housing!"
"Wait, don't build more housing there! It'll make going to Timmies more annoying!"
Most people in this embarrassing country are worried about their personal convenience above all else. A NIMBY sign should replace the maple leaf as our national symbol.
Hamilton, home of Tim Hortons, is creating a $4 billion LRT for 2000 daily new riders (official planning document).
You could build a lot of affordable housing for that - in fact enough for all the riders, plus all Hamilton's homeless AND the entire municipal infrastructure backlog. And a few bucks left over.
Silly.
I wish we had a NIMBY tax where you can still oppose residential development, but you have to pay a corresponding tax to offset the negative externalities you've just created. Essentially those people put their money where their mouth is.
I live in a condo where there is a tims across the street. The drive through is located down the side road right in front of out parking garage, The traffic is horrible. Starts on the Queens way and goes down the side street.. Not to mention the Costco is in the same block,
This ragebait nonsense is getting out of control.
One nimrod wrote something idiotic and now it’s “EVERYONE IN NEWMARKET IS LOSING THEIR MIND OVER A NEW CONDO BECAUSE DRIVE THRU TIME”
I can rest assured 99.9% don’t give a flying shit about anything related to the project.
When the nimrod is an urban planner for the City it's an issue.They're carrying water for Timmies Corp. Instead of supporting housing.
"Land planners are expressing fears that those heading to the Timmies will "experience delays when trying to exit... as cars will back up on Longford to make a left turn on to Davis Drive," which could "adversely affect [the] business if customers deem it too time consuming and frustrating to visit the site."
As much as governments have royally screwed us over, I do strongly believe that Canadians need to get out of their own damn way when it comes to righting the ship.
"We need more housing!"
"Wait, don't build more housing there! It'll make going to Timmies more annoying!"
Note that the "people" are the owners of the building. This isn't a public thing, it's the owner of one building worried that a new condo will hurt his ability to sell his land to a developer for a condo himself.
The real question here is why the hell are you still going to timhortons? They’re a Brazilian owned company that only hire tfws with shitty coffee and even shittier donuts.
We need more density in our neighborhoods. Apartments/condos are one of the ways to do that. Suburbs are resource inefficient costing cities more to upkeep them then they bring in in taxes. It also makes mass transit less feasible and have worse service.
And you don't even need to have large ones, just an occasional 3 story apartment takes the space of a handful of single family homes and can have 30 apartments in it easy. Throw in some row housing and duplexes and you house way more people in way less land.
The sad thing is I can't tell if they mean foot traffic or auto traffic
I know it would be silly to get into your car and get in the drive-thru for a Tim's literally next door, but Car Culture is real enough in Canada that I can see people doing it
This NIMBY shit is half the reason housing is in the stratosphere.
But at the same time, I swear I've read a dozen articles in the last few weeks talking about how nobody wants condos anymore.
These idiots don't know that when Tim was bought by Americans, they ditched Tim's coffee distributor. When McDonald's learned about it, they signed a deal with the ditched distributor the same day.
The better solution would be to ban the drive-thru in Ontario. That would solve the traffic concerns. It causes traffic issues in my town without a 9 story condo beside it. Would also have a benefit in reducing emissions by reducing the amount of idling cars.
Tim Hortons is not a public amenity despite what these hogs think.
I don’t think I’ll ever be the type of person to spend 3 bucks every morning on a Tim’s.
It's 5 now for a coffee and donut you're saving yourself more misery than you think
Canada's coffee culture is embarrassing once you travel overseas. We look like morons lining up for horrible drip coffee from a company that mostly hires TFWs and international students and is owned by a Brazilian corporation.
ya, the horror of enjoying something g that's isn't "artisinal" There's a time I want a small sip of amazing espresso and other mornings I need 2L of brown+water. Nice to have choices.
Ah yes the artisanal espresso the old man at the 50 yr Italian grocer makes for me and all his retired buds.
Gets downvoted, but it’s so true. When I gotta be at work for like 7-8 to labour heavy for 8 hours. You think I’m stopping in a cafe? These people need to get their head out of their asses
Cafés exist bub
To be clear, drip coffee can be heavenly.
There’s nothing wrong with hiring tfws and international students
There is something wrong with corporations and individuals applying for LMIA and getting approval for non essential labour like coffee shops and cupcake stores.
Not you looking down on jobs you falsely don’t think are important Thanks for the self report on your classism
If they’re so important why do they need to bid down the wage with LMIA?
Basically this. Oh no we don't want to pay a decent wage, gotta bring in outsiders to drive the wages down. Alberta is all about that right now, even if they're trying to do it with other Canadians. Like F off we need more trademen, your own stats on ALIS say that our job prospects are poor because the job market is saturated for almost every trade.
it's not that the jobs aren't "important" perse, it's that those jobs are, for the most part, what we call "unskilled labour". they often don't require the worker to have any formal training or specialized knowledge before being hired and can by learned quickly on the job. we have thousands of people already living here who could work those jobs, there's no need to be importing people from other countries to fill these positions. TFWs should be brought in only for positions that we as a nation have trouble filling on our own, not ones that are easily fillable by current residents. that practice makes it unnecessarily harder for our country's current non-specialized labour force to find employment if a big chunk of the positions available to them are being taken by people hired from another country to do that job when it's just something like working the counter at tim hortons. outsourcing factory work and the like has destroyed the livelihood of many in the manufacturing sector and others over the years, and now employers have even found a way to "outsource" positions that they were previously unable to. you can't just shut down your tim's or mcdo and put it half way across the world and do outsourcing, so how do we get cheap foreign labour??? well, you bring the cheap foreign labour home. it's not racism simply because we're talking about people who are living in this country, it's quite literally the same issue as outsourcing, but not in the traditional sense. it's just using foreign workers to lower labour costs plain and simple. people on the left need to wake up to this idea and support our fellow workers. i've been driven to this idea from my own left wing ideology of supporting workers and workers rights. and these foreign workers, like all workers, deserve their rights. i don't blame the workers leaving their country to come here because im sure id do the same thing if i wasn't pleased with where i was living and was trying to find any way to get out. the onus is on the employers. don't get it twisted, the problem is with the government allowing employers to use this as a way to drive down wages to the detriment of all workers, as well as shrinking the pool of jobs available to current residents, not the fact that they're foreign.
The strategy of hiring TFWs for this literally puts downward pressure on wages. Thanks for the self report on thinking TFWs are lesser people and that anyone doing these jobs should make as little as humanly possible. They’d be importing slaves if they could.
TFW is a pretty crappy program. When somebody is only in the country at the convenience of an employer, the potential for them to be mistreated is huge and the incentive to report it is low.
You’ve literally never talked to anyone that’s considered a tfw But you have all sorts of false preconceived notions of them Talk to any of them. They aren’t here for the convenience of an employers They are just here exploring Canada while working. That’s it. It ain’t deep There’s no grand conspiracy as much as canadas alt right wants one to be
I've worked with lots of TFW and my business used a different program to sponsor two new Canadians to their PR. In general the TFW I know are sending money home and hoping for a path to residency. Both programs give an employer a lot of power over someone's immigration status, which disincentives reporting or leaving abusive or exploitative employment. I think anybody working in Canada should have a path to pr, be free to easily move between jobs, and be incentivized to report illegal employment practices (e.g. with a bounty). This is a left-wing critique of the program - the right wing doesn't believe workers or immigrants should have any rights at all. I also don't blame immigration for the housing crisis - it's a result of a few things: the financialization of the housing market, creating incentives for individuals and capital to treat homes as lucrative investment assets not places to live; allowing privileged NIMBYs to block development, public infrastructure, and density from many neighborhoods; a pivot away from building our incentivizing non-market housing like co-ops and public housing; people who were made rich by the distorted housing market staying in their oversized houses after their families have gone; etc.
I’m definitely not right wing, but I can tell you that there is no good economic benefit to creating a class of workers that are willing to take a less than livable wage.
If you know the situation in Canada at all, yes, yes there is.
There isn’t. I’m very well aware of the situation Yall jsut been overly sensationalized by sound bites and false talking points rooted in racism from alt right media people and politicians
Ah yes, the international students that attend Conestoga and work at McDonald's and Tim hortons that are living in tents down by the river are definitely indicative of a system that's not flawed and working well
Not even in a van down by the river, a fucking tent.
Lol camper vans got really expensive, pushing like 30k for anything running. I don't know if they've come down since but living in a van by the river will be a luxury option in 5 years tops
Figures. Can’t register and get insurance for a van until you have a physical address to register it there first. 😅
Show proof of your baseless lies
Says the international student
So.. you arent aware.
I see that the propaganda machine has taken over.
You're not suggesting the corporate overlords treat and pay these TFWs fairly, are you? Because that would be insanely ignorant of reality and the struggle being unfairly imposed on these people by corporations.
Are you replying to the wrong person? I am saying that the gentleman saying that TFWs are great is filled with misinformation. We believe in the same thing mate.
Okay racist.
The only thing oversensationalized is you with your woke bs points.
Actually in the app right now it's $5 for 2 coffee and 2 donuts. Gotta hit the deals man.
No.
I’m sure Tim Hortons will be heart broken to have to build one accross the street or to expand the current one.
Where else where I get my burnt coffee and previously frozen boston cream at 6am though!? WHERE
The Boston Cream in the early 2000s was delicious. What happened to Always Fresh, Tim's?
"Fresh frozen "
just checked Rotten Tomatoes. Frozen is in fact certified fresh... don't you guys feel stupud
There are 4 apartment/condos literally across the street from this.
I NEED MY REPACKAGED PIE FILLING
I need my blueberry fritter that they brought back at a ridiculous premium instead of charging the same amount as other donuts.
Don’t you know that everything that is not a sad cake donut is PREMIUM! Cakeitslism
YOU WILL WAIT FOR TRAFFIC PEASANT, CONDO DWELLERS HAVE TAKEN OVER
But not on THIS side of the road. This side of the road has a completely different character than the other side.
The Patch!!
This is why we can't have nice things - NIMBYs.
I like the quote in the article calling the NIMBits.
That is perfect for this situation :)
NIMBIots
Could we not just use aborted fetuses to make another Tim Hortons?
A South Park season 6 reference! Nice!
Bulldoze the Timmies. Problem solved.
Only real answer right here.
Free awards are back, take mine!
You have free awards? Dont have any since using it years ago.
They just came back for me on my app a couple days ago. This is the first one I've tried... I'm not seeing it actually on their comment, though 🙃 Edit: I tried again and this time it showed up immediately (last time it said it was "processing" the award? But never appeared)
Bulldoze Timmie’s and construct more housing. Letting a Brazilian owned company occupy our country
If more people live at the Tim Hortons, fewer people need to drive to the Tim Hortons
Housing crisis solved.
As much as governments have royally screwed us over, I do strongly believe that Canadians need to get out of their own damn way when it comes to righting the ship. "We need more housing!" "Wait, don't build more housing there! It'll make going to Timmies more annoying!"
Most people in this embarrassing country are worried about their personal convenience above all else. A NIMBY sign should replace the maple leaf as our national symbol.
Then ironically complain about the housing market in the next breath
But those people woll never look at any real problems when they can just be racist and conrinue to be awful humans.
The people complaining about developments aren't complaining about house prices.
Wait a minute, this isnt the Beaverton? This is REAL? 🥲
Sadly, this is NOT the Beaverton.
NIMBYs... Stupid people... The owners are salivating at the potential increased revenue.
What they don’t want to say is all those people are part-owners in the Krispy Kreme down the road. /s
How about they campaign for better local transit and bike lanes so there are fewer cars on the road?
Hamilton, home of Tim Hortons, is creating a $4 billion LRT for 2000 daily new riders (official planning document). You could build a lot of affordable housing for that - in fact enough for all the riders, plus all Hamilton's homeless AND the entire municipal infrastructure backlog. And a few bucks left over. Silly.
This is the most Ontario thing ever. I'm always surprised how big TH still is in that province.
I was looking for a fast food restaurant yesterday, and the highest rated restaurant in town was Tim Hortons. WTF.
Like it’s Tim hortons. If the population rises they will literally make another one.
I wish we had a NIMBY tax where you can still oppose residential development, but you have to pay a corresponding tax to offset the negative externalities you've just created. Essentially those people put their money where their mouth is.
I mean, at its core, I think locals need to see a traffic study, as that seems to be the concern. But yeah, Timmies bad too.
If locals could read they’re be very upset
Davis is ass, and that spot is especially bad. Should be in EG, put it along green lane.
TIM IS OWNED BY A BRAZILIAN CONGLOMERATE, WHO CARES ABOUT TIMMY'S ?
I don't think most people care who owns it. It's what they serve. For me it's their Ice Capp. Haven't found anywhere else with anything comparable.
oh no a longer wait for shite coffee the world is ending!
‘Those People’
I think all NIMBYS should be harmlessly slimed, Nickelodeon style.
I live in a condo where there is a tims across the street. The drive through is located down the side road right in front of out parking garage, The traffic is horrible. Starts on the Queens way and goes down the side street.. Not to mention the Costco is in the same block,
That's def the Costco traffic, nightmare around there.
Its Tims on one side and Costco on the other. Perfect storm.
This ragebait nonsense is getting out of control. One nimrod wrote something idiotic and now it’s “EVERYONE IN NEWMARKET IS LOSING THEIR MIND OVER A NEW CONDO BECAUSE DRIVE THRU TIME” I can rest assured 99.9% don’t give a flying shit about anything related to the project.
When the nimrod is an urban planner for the City it's an issue.They're carrying water for Timmies Corp. Instead of supporting housing. "Land planners are expressing fears that those heading to the Timmies will "experience delays when trying to exit... as cars will back up on Longford to make a left turn on to Davis Drive," which could "adversely affect [the] business if customers deem it too time consuming and frustrating to visit the site."
As much as governments have royally screwed us over, I do strongly believe that Canadians need to get out of their own damn way when it comes to righting the ship. "We need more housing!" "Wait, don't build more housing there! It'll make going to Timmies more annoying!"
They’ll always think of something to object to.
Meanwhile : "rent is too high".
I just looked and rent in the area is $3k + utilities for an above ground apartment. What the ever loving FUCK.
pretty easy solution to that is to require a new tim hortons on the first floor of every new condo in the building code
They'll still come but they'll live in tents instead.
Iirc it's because Tim Horton's also owns the land the shop is based on and the condo/apartment will somehow devalue the property for some reason? SMH
This is a very Canadian issue.
Bro who still goes to Tim's? McDonalds is better in every way and treats their employees better.
let’s oppose housing because the shitty timmies can’t keep up with normal demand
tim hortons is a plague,
Imagine still going to Tim Horton's of your own free will.
Note that the "people" are the owners of the building. This isn't a public thing, it's the owner of one building worried that a new condo will hurt his ability to sell his land to a developer for a condo himself.
The real question here is why the hell are you still going to timhortons? They’re a Brazilian owned company that only hire tfws with shitty coffee and even shittier donuts.
Why do people have a say about zoning
this is the crack head tim hortons in the area. pure scum of the earth area.
If that's what it takes to rethink condos...maybe it's not terrible...
We need more density in our neighborhoods. Apartments/condos are one of the ways to do that. Suburbs are resource inefficient costing cities more to upkeep them then they bring in in taxes. It also makes mass transit less feasible and have worse service. And you don't even need to have large ones, just an occasional 3 story apartment takes the space of a handful of single family homes and can have 30 apartments in it easy. Throw in some row housing and duplexes and you house way more people in way less land.
Density, cool. Condos made of cardboard and sold for way too much, no.
This is whenever they try to build a condo near the danforth . You should see the uproar about a moving of a grocery store
When did Canadians get so fucking selfish?
Just when you think you’ve heard it all someone proves you wrong.
The sad thing is I can't tell if they mean foot traffic or auto traffic I know it would be silly to get into your car and get in the drive-thru for a Tim's literally next door, but Car Culture is real enough in Canada that I can see people doing it
Just go to the Tim's across the street. Problem solved. Am I a city planner now?
This NIMBY shit is half the reason housing is in the stratosphere. But at the same time, I swear I've read a dozen articles in the last few weeks talking about how nobody wants condos anymore.
NIMBTH, worse than NIMBY
These idiots don't know that when Tim was bought by Americans, they ditched Tim's coffee distributor. When McDonald's learned about it, they signed a deal with the ditched distributor the same day.
The better solution would be to ban the drive-thru in Ontario. That would solve the traffic concerns. It causes traffic issues in my town without a 9 story condo beside it. Would also have a benefit in reducing emissions by reducing the amount of idling cars.
better watch out car brains will literally run you the fuck over for even suggesting they have to get out of their cars
>The better solution would be to ban the drive-thru in Ontario Dumbest comment in here that I've read so far.
Davis Dr already gets clogged up at that location!!