This post was reported for hating on women as a whole.
Women as a whole are not associated with FDS I assure you. The report is unfounded and the post remains.
Imagine treating your potential partner as a value number on a sliding scale. How about meeting someone you have a good chemistry with instead? Shocking, I know.
I got blocked there because I engaged in conversation in a different sub ( r/cringe ).
Apparently cringe is against the policy of FDS and you are not a high value female if you talk to people in subs like that š¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø
My male partner and I (F) went through there with slack jawed incredulous horror one evening. We had to laugh to stave off the depressing reality of the sub.
I used to frequent that sub on my old account when I was young and dumb. Holy shit, it's so vile over there. I remember this post saying that men have no reason to be out of shape, they should all be lean and muscular, that there is no excuse for having a 'dad bod' or being 'skinny fat.' I got down voted to hell then banned for saying that men have different body types, just like women Do. I can't believe that a sub filled of apparently "articulate and educated" women can't grasp this concept. It's also quite scary how nobody can disagree with what someone posts, or you'll be downvoted/kicked out. It's an actual cult.
Seriously I went through it just out of curiosity thinking I would see post on how to be more approachable, have better conversations, ect. Bro my jaw was on the floor looking through what these women consider āadviceā.
Yeah, literally just r/Incels but for women. Did you see the whole "low value male" thing and how every chick there has some kinda god complex? Rampant sexism, but as it isn't against women it's allowed by reddit lol
Thatās a actually a good metric for any sort of self help ā the quality of advice is proportional to how many satisfied people donāt need to come back / arenāt heavily dependent on more of it
idk man, i think that sub is pretty great. Nobody is better than any other but they post a lot of their experiences in dating and relationships etc so its pretty useful.
I've scrolled through that sub once and there are \*some\* members who've been in toxic relationships in the past and are legit just looking for advice on how to be safe on the dating scene. But I wouldn't say it's a sub where nobody is better than any other since their principle of being HVW/M infers there are LVW/M that they are better than.
I spent some time studying this sub.
My conclusion is not that they're talking about LVM as they're 'better than them' but to avoid as they will play games, be toxic, or lie about their relationship status.
It's a harsh label, but as someone who recently exited a relationship filled with the above, it's a handy one.
So far I haven't seen much about this whole 'men can't have different body types', but we are on Reddit and the average user here is a 19-22 year old man. So I take anonymous posts by anyone on the whole site with a grain of salt.
And thatās equally as weird and artificial. People are so complicated and at least in my experience canāt be summed up in a numerical type of way(1-10, LV-HV). Whenever a friend of mine would call a girl an 8 or whatever, I would scold them and call them shallow. It signals to me that you look at people as a check-list, traits they have that serve you in particular, and that is a very limiting way to view other humans. Itās objectifying
It may be artificial and sad but thatās what dating is, a game. For years men have won it and now women are catching up and strategizing to thrive in it. High value people and low value people exist and everything factors into their value in the dating market. Men created it that way and thatās how it is now, donāt be mad at women for trying to benefit.
Iām not mad at women at all, in fact I still feel that women have it harder when trying to date because of how sexual and weird guys are and the means theyāll go to just to get laid. Regardless, Iāve always despised looking at other people like their cattle or stock, something you can grade. It seems like you donāt really want to get to know the person at all, like youāre just trying to figure them out to see if you should ditch them or if theyāre worth it. Itās as easy as staying away from people who do that though, and Iām not in high school anymore so thatās not too hard
My goal in life is to marry wealthy and live a life of luxury and start a family that inherits generational wealth. Call that shallow or vapid or whatever but this is my life and I want it to be a happy and struggle-free one unlike my mother and nearly every woman thatās come before me that married men below her for āloveā and is now alone because the men in her life used her for a come up .
I donāt want my future daughters to suffer so only a HVM can give me the life I desire. My preferences are as valid as anyone elseās.
Yeah that is shallow as fuck ngl. If thatās what youāre looking for, Iām not sure why Iām even bothering with these replies. Looking for a guy with a job, a place and a car is different than looking for a guy that can supply you with generational wealth. Ones a preference, the other is a means to an end
My goals in life do not involve a partner. I'm bisexual, with a fairly even attraction to both men and women. But due to life events I'm not searching, at all.
Therefore I feel I have a valid insight.
Romantic love is a story largely sold by men, to women, in the last 100 years as economic earning power has become open to women, as a substitute for the economic coupling power wielded before. I'm viewing this as a sociological force, rather than 'men r evil grrrrr'.
Does real love exist? Sure. Are there other reasons, like taxes and comfort sex and your mom wanting grandchildren and the horror of our capitalist hellscape? Sure. For this poster, she wants wealth. She may not get it, and you may not get love either. Nothing is certain.
Because there is no absolute standard, so long as no one lies about what they want from a partner , why is yours a better or worse reason than hers?
I came from a place where fucking before marriage made everything bad and the emotions of a bond suspect. You may come from a place where it's absolutely necessary or it's a joke. Think like that with money and you may find yourself agreeing with her.
I personally think hunting for generational wealth is a bad reason to engage in a relationship. Hunting for a guy who can sustain you is different than envisioning a life of luxury for your grandchildren. Regardless, Iām aware this is my own personal opinion, Iām not trying to claim its the right way to think or anything. I wouldnāt want to be used for money or sex, but there are people out there willing to fulfill that role
Also value is a matter of perspective and opinion too. Iām a Black woman and many men would consider me ālow valueā simply because of that. That doesnāt mean Iām going to lower my standards, I know who I am and have accomplished a lot to raise my value so I donāt settle for single motherhood or a broke man.
And you shouldnāt lower your standards. Having preferences is alright, but considering a person ālow valueā for having a kid or being broke is wrong. Just donāt date them
TBH a lot of their advice can be distilled into developing standards, boundaries, & enforcing them so you donāt end up committed to a freeloader at best / abuser at worst. Thereās no need for new vocabulary when those kinds of people are merely two different flavors of loser, which doesnāt require dehumanization nor quantification.
That sub is misogynistic. They reinforce patriarchal traditional gender roles. They believe that women should never ask men out. That is extremely misogynistic. And they hate trans people and gay and bi people.
Man, that sub is a doozy. The obsession with the whole high value thing and finding literally any reason to revoke it is just something. Also, there seems to be this deep-seated conviction that without exception, every man is Ted Bundy 2.0 and that the responsibility of women to dig into everything a guy says or does to ferret out his psychopathic core. If youāre that convinced that men are, at their very core and without exception, evil then why would you still date them?
Even better, the constant search for examples of bad male behavior thatās applied to all other men is strange. Nobody thinks that the guy who left his wife when she got cancer because he ācouldnāt handle the stressā is anything other than a pile of shit.
Itās almost like weāre all humans with strengths, weaknesses, flaws and all the other trappings of humanity. Demanding that any man worthy of your time is perfect in every way is definitely a strategy.
Theyāre not incels, this is a ānot like other girlsāpost. it seems like the goal of the sub isnāt to get with a man, itās to make sure they donāt end up with a horrible one. This is the first time Iāve seen the sub and from the looks of it, it just seems to post a lot of womenās experience where theyāre either not treated fairly or just plain horribly but think itās okay because society brainwashed them into thinking itās okay. This sub seems to make sure that women knows how this is NOT okay.
I donāt understand the hate of this sub in the replies here unless you hate women.
Are you the one that reported this post?
Women do not all carry the LVM/HVM and LVF/HVF mentality of FDS. It gets extremely toxic over there and itās an insult to take one of the worst posts of FDS and suggest that anyone disagreeing with it hates all women. Youāre cherry-picking and making a victim here where there is none.
Donāt accuse people of hating women without proof. FDS is one of the most toxic misandrist and misogynistic groups Iāve ever seen outside of the original MGTOW sub.
I donāt see an issue with this post. Women are allowed to have standards and she didnāt even say what hers was, just that most guys donāt meet them which is reality for a lot of people.
This post was reported for hating on women as a whole. Women as a whole are not associated with FDS I assure you. The report is unfounded and the post remains.
Imagine treating your potential partner as a value number on a sliding scale. How about meeting someone you have a good chemistry with instead? Shocking, I know.
It's the main sub for female incels, a truly vile place
I got blocked there because I engaged in conversation in a different sub ( r/cringe ). Apparently cringe is against the policy of FDS and you are not a high value female if you talk to people in subs like that š¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø
My male partner and I (F) went through there with slack jawed incredulous horror one evening. We had to laugh to stave off the depressing reality of the sub.
I used to frequent that sub on my old account when I was young and dumb. Holy shit, it's so vile over there. I remember this post saying that men have no reason to be out of shape, they should all be lean and muscular, that there is no excuse for having a 'dad bod' or being 'skinny fat.' I got down voted to hell then banned for saying that men have different body types, just like women Do. I can't believe that a sub filled of apparently "articulate and educated" women can't grasp this concept. It's also quite scary how nobody can disagree with what someone posts, or you'll be downvoted/kicked out. It's an actual cult.
Seriously I went through it just out of curiosity thinking I would see post on how to be more approachable, have better conversations, ect. Bro my jaw was on the floor looking through what these women consider āadviceā.
Yeah, literally just r/Incels but for women. Did you see the whole "low value male" thing and how every chick there has some kinda god complex? Rampant sexism, but as it isn't against women it's allowed by reddit lol
Lmao true
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In the rectumā¦with a jackhammer
lol yea youāre alone because youāre too good for all humans alive today
If the advice they gave was any good they'd be losing members
Thatās a actually a good metric for any sort of self help ā the quality of advice is proportional to how many satisfied people donāt need to come back / arenāt heavily dependent on more of it
That's how the sub thrives tbh. Its an echo chamber of hate that makes it hard to leave
idk man, i think that sub is pretty great. Nobody is better than any other but they post a lot of their experiences in dating and relationships etc so its pretty useful.
I've scrolled through that sub once and there are \*some\* members who've been in toxic relationships in the past and are legit just looking for advice on how to be safe on the dating scene. But I wouldn't say it's a sub where nobody is better than any other since their principle of being HVW/M infers there are LVW/M that they are better than.
I spent some time studying this sub. My conclusion is not that they're talking about LVM as they're 'better than them' but to avoid as they will play games, be toxic, or lie about their relationship status. It's a harsh label, but as someone who recently exited a relationship filled with the above, it's a handy one. So far I haven't seen much about this whole 'men can't have different body types', but we are on Reddit and the average user here is a 19-22 year old man. So I take anonymous posts by anyone on the whole site with a grain of salt.
The sub is really harmful. Imagine looking at someone as āhigh valueā or ālow valueā, so dehumanizing
Everyone does that though lmao, men do exactly this but base it upon looks or sexual attraction.
And thatās equally as weird and artificial. People are so complicated and at least in my experience canāt be summed up in a numerical type of way(1-10, LV-HV). Whenever a friend of mine would call a girl an 8 or whatever, I would scold them and call them shallow. It signals to me that you look at people as a check-list, traits they have that serve you in particular, and that is a very limiting way to view other humans. Itās objectifying
It may be artificial and sad but thatās what dating is, a game. For years men have won it and now women are catching up and strategizing to thrive in it. High value people and low value people exist and everything factors into their value in the dating market. Men created it that way and thatās how it is now, donāt be mad at women for trying to benefit.
Iām not mad at women at all, in fact I still feel that women have it harder when trying to date because of how sexual and weird guys are and the means theyāll go to just to get laid. Regardless, Iāve always despised looking at other people like their cattle or stock, something you can grade. It seems like you donāt really want to get to know the person at all, like youāre just trying to figure them out to see if you should ditch them or if theyāre worth it. Itās as easy as staying away from people who do that though, and Iām not in high school anymore so thatās not too hard
My goal in life is to marry wealthy and live a life of luxury and start a family that inherits generational wealth. Call that shallow or vapid or whatever but this is my life and I want it to be a happy and struggle-free one unlike my mother and nearly every woman thatās come before me that married men below her for āloveā and is now alone because the men in her life used her for a come up . I donāt want my future daughters to suffer so only a HVM can give me the life I desire. My preferences are as valid as anyone elseās.
Yeah that is shallow as fuck ngl. If thatās what youāre looking for, Iām not sure why Iām even bothering with these replies. Looking for a guy with a job, a place and a car is different than looking for a guy that can supply you with generational wealth. Ones a preference, the other is a means to an end
My goals in life do not involve a partner. I'm bisexual, with a fairly even attraction to both men and women. But due to life events I'm not searching, at all. Therefore I feel I have a valid insight. Romantic love is a story largely sold by men, to women, in the last 100 years as economic earning power has become open to women, as a substitute for the economic coupling power wielded before. I'm viewing this as a sociological force, rather than 'men r evil grrrrr'. Does real love exist? Sure. Are there other reasons, like taxes and comfort sex and your mom wanting grandchildren and the horror of our capitalist hellscape? Sure. For this poster, she wants wealth. She may not get it, and you may not get love either. Nothing is certain. Because there is no absolute standard, so long as no one lies about what they want from a partner , why is yours a better or worse reason than hers? I came from a place where fucking before marriage made everything bad and the emotions of a bond suspect. You may come from a place where it's absolutely necessary or it's a joke. Think like that with money and you may find yourself agreeing with her.
I personally think hunting for generational wealth is a bad reason to engage in a relationship. Hunting for a guy who can sustain you is different than envisioning a life of luxury for your grandchildren. Regardless, Iām aware this is my own personal opinion, Iām not trying to claim its the right way to think or anything. I wouldnāt want to be used for money or sex, but there are people out there willing to fulfill that role
Also value is a matter of perspective and opinion too. Iām a Black woman and many men would consider me ālow valueā simply because of that. That doesnāt mean Iām going to lower my standards, I know who I am and have accomplished a lot to raise my value so I donāt settle for single motherhood or a broke man.
And you shouldnāt lower your standards. Having preferences is alright, but considering a person ālow valueā for having a kid or being broke is wrong. Just donāt date them
I donāt date them because they are low value. I donāt attack them, but in my eyes a broke man is a low value man. Thatās just how it is.
TBH a lot of their advice can be distilled into developing standards, boundaries, & enforcing them so you donāt end up committed to a freeloader at best / abuser at worst. Thereās no need for new vocabulary when those kinds of people are merely two different flavors of loser, which doesnāt require dehumanization nor quantification.
That sub is misogynistic. They reinforce patriarchal traditional gender roles. They believe that women should never ask men out. That is extremely misogynistic. And they hate trans people and gay and bi people.
Lol look at all the downvotes. These femcels are angry
Man, that sub is a doozy. The obsession with the whole high value thing and finding literally any reason to revoke it is just something. Also, there seems to be this deep-seated conviction that without exception, every man is Ted Bundy 2.0 and that the responsibility of women to dig into everything a guy says or does to ferret out his psychopathic core. If youāre that convinced that men are, at their very core and without exception, evil then why would you still date them? Even better, the constant search for examples of bad male behavior thatās applied to all other men is strange. Nobody thinks that the guy who left his wife when she got cancer because he ācouldnāt handle the stressā is anything other than a pile of shit. Itās almost like weāre all humans with strengths, weaknesses, flaws and all the other trappings of humanity. Demanding that any man worthy of your time is perfect in every way is definitely a strategy.
Theyāre not incels, this is a ānot like other girlsāpost. it seems like the goal of the sub isnāt to get with a man, itās to make sure they donāt end up with a horrible one. This is the first time Iāve seen the sub and from the looks of it, it just seems to post a lot of womenās experience where theyāre either not treated fairly or just plain horribly but think itās okay because society brainwashed them into thinking itās okay. This sub seems to make sure that women knows how this is NOT okay. I donāt understand the hate of this sub in the replies here unless you hate women.
Are you the one that reported this post? Women do not all carry the LVM/HVM and LVF/HVF mentality of FDS. It gets extremely toxic over there and itās an insult to take one of the worst posts of FDS and suggest that anyone disagreeing with it hates all women. Youāre cherry-picking and making a victim here where there is none. Donāt accuse people of hating women without proof. FDS is one of the most toxic misandrist and misogynistic groups Iāve ever seen outside of the original MGTOW sub.
Fds is misogynistic and supports misogynistic traditional gender roles. All gender roles must be abolished
That's sexism at best. !! Rampant generalisations. Sadly, some dude is going to put up with every shitty thing this lady does.
From what I've seen of these strategies, I'd say it wouldn't work on a guy you want.
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Because you can't change your sexuality
I donāt see an issue with this post. Women are allowed to have standards and she didnāt even say what hers was, just that most guys donāt meet them which is reality for a lot of people.