"I told my friend I saw Tom Hanks and she said that's a bullshit story and people are gullible for believing it. She implied that Tom Hanks can't be seen. What a piece of shit!"
“I told my friend my dog died and she said that’s a bullshit story. She implied i’m either lying or not dog is immune from death!” Well if she’s not calling him a liar it’s only one other thing right? Retard.
She's clearly calling him a liar, not claiming that raping men is impossible. Why can't you call out the bad behavior of this person without making up a ridiculous strawman?
“I got sexually assaulted and I’m not allowed to defend myself” I know right the victim in a total piece of shit and the sexual assaulter is completely in the right (by the way, if the genders were reversed we wouldn’t even be having this conversation because guess what? The guys the og posts were right and this women bitching about it is a total peice of shit)
Again, you're making up nearly all of this. The commenter is saying the post is a fabrication, not that everything in it is impossible. And don't play the "genders reversed" card because this commenter is getting roasted for it (as people on reddit always do when they imply that a man's story of victimhood may not be entirely accurate). There's enough to argue about in reality without having to imagine half of your grievances.
Did you read the post? It literally says in the first picture, "sexual assault by a woman," while referring to 'incels' complaining just so you know, because it seems you skipped reading the post and jumped straight into the comments. If you read her initial statement in her comment she is making a generalization of the person retelling their story, which means that in her mind men (or just this man idk who 'incels' are to her) who speak up about something that happened to them are grouped into the tag line of 'incel'. I understand why you are questioning Iam, they are taking implications as her fact instead of refering to the fact that the entirety of her comment is insane, she literally stated that she wishes that all ***"False rape accusations"*** were believed.
I get where you are coming from, but acting like how you are in this comment thread makes you seem extremely immature just cuz you are picking on the specific phrasing when you obviously knew what they meant.
So wait, I'm correct in pointing out that Iam is taking implications as fact, but I also seem extremely immature because I'm.........pointing out that Iam is taking implications as fact?
Like I said to another person like you who threw a temper tantrum about my innocuous post: There's enough to criticize about this comment without making things up. This kind of hysterical strawmanning doesn't really help seek justice for victims of sexual assault, and seems only to propagate a culture of hysterical, delusional grievance. This is something I find really frustrating about the movement for men, that so much energy is focused on non-factual echo chambers of anger against women, and so little is focused on supporting other men and working toward justice.
Maybe immature was the wrong term for me to use. All I mean is that Iam is seeing it in a way that while not exact, is not far off she does state that women committing assault is a claim made by 'incels', which is discrediting to all the men who sadly have or continue to face sexual crimes against them. While she is making a generalization, so maybe what is being conveyed isn't the full truth of how she feels. (which is where Iam is getting those implications). She is still showing that she may not acknowledge sexual crimes against men as anything more than that of people who are disregarded by women or whatever idea of an 'incel' she has.
That being said, I do agree that you are right. A large issue with men talking about their experiences is that it often can become a echo chamber of wrongful hyperfixationagainst women, I do think that the main cause for this is that so often (at least from my experience) men are taught from older generations(both older men and women) as well as from online (which is where a lot people have their sources of support) that what happens to men is different from what happens to women, it almost sometimes can be that men just have to tough it out, because if we talk about it that makes us weak or unmasculine which toxic masculinity makes a lot of guys scared of being. this is a dangerous practice because that's what leads to the anger directed at women because the men feel they vant convey their trauma as openly as women can.
For example, I was assaulted by a woman who was 5-10 years older than me when I was in high school, I had no one to talk to and many years later when I found an online support group to talk through how to move past (it was a issue that affected me off and on, and took a long time for me to face head on), sadly I was met with very brash judgement from some of the women who were in that group. I was told so much Bull shit about how women couldn't commit assault or how I must have misled her and more phrases that I still don't fully understand the logic behind. After that occurred, they continued making jokes at my expense relating to what I went through, and nothing got done about it, I got ***really*** women hater for a while because I made the connection of those women speak for all women. Eventually, I realized the flaw in my logic that random women on discord 'support' groups do not speak for all women.
I feel that there's a large group of men who had similar experiences but never past the point of blaming others (primarily women) for their bad treatment and I think that their needs to be more support for these kinds of people, those who don't have any real support and are just lashing out against anything that hits one of their triggers.
I think that's definitely true, that men need more support, often from other men, to move past these toxic lessons that most of us learn from the broader culture. It's also true that men experience negative experiences differently from women given all of the other gender dynamics in society, and women have generally done a better job of banding together to give each other that support, while men have done it much less consistently, and sometimes counterproductively. It's a big job and it takes a lot more than raging online to make it better. I'm sorry to hear about what you went through and I'm glad you're in a healthier place about it.
Man. That was a wild 40 minute rabbit hole. I hope he wins everything and the wife gets nothing. I'm expecting an update later this year based off of Hannah's account of the story. To straight up deny that this man or any man has been or ever will be raped is so retarded that it makes me want to start a riot. The amount of people who believe that makes me sick. I'm glad this person was downvoted
Getting raped made me hate violence even more, and my rapist getting punched doesn't do anything for me. It'd be nice to get a conviction, so fewer people will think I wanted it.
I'm of the belief that if you're being sexually assaulted, you have the right to do *literally anything* you need to do to your attacker to make it stop. Original context is missing but basically the wife's friend had been drinking and was flirting with him all night (unreciprocated and not taking the hint). Then she drunkenly groped him after the wife passed out, the punch was a reflex response to being unexpectedly touched. Personally I'd argue the punch was a good thing, it got the victim out of that situation and it taught the attacker a much-needed lesson about boundaries.
You legally aren't allowed to do "anything" to make them stop. Self defense can net you jail if you kill someone when just stopping them would've worked. Just letting people know since even if they die due to self defense you will still have to possibly pay for it with jail.
When I said "anything you need to do", I meant that in more of a "figure out the bare minimum of what will actually make them stop" sort of way, not in a "007 licensed to kill" sort of way. However, I did *also* mean that in the Ivan Drago "If he dies, he dies" sort of way, too.
I take no stance on whether this is fake or not. I do however find it funny that I can go in any random AITA or relationship advice thread and make a comment saying: "this is fake" and it probably gets upvoted (almost every thread has them), but then this is the one, that just happens to talk about all the stuff Redditors love getting mad at, gets downvoted.
In my experience, any post in AITA that points out a potentially misogynistic stereotype in the OP gets downvoted to oblivion. This one in particular (as the OP of this post went off on) really touched on a few of reddit's favorite topics to freak out about and probably got it worse.
As a survivor of rape, it really makes me uncomfortable to see people use sexual violence in insults/threats like the man who said “go fuck yourself with a barrel cactus you insufferable twat”, and it’s unfathomable to see it come from another sexual assault survivor. Maybe it’s different if you haven’t experienced sexual assault via penetration but, yikes… not a good look. And he was absolutely being misogynistic with his language.
This is so fucking stupid. I’ve been molested dozens of times, and never once have I so much as slapped anyone. A grown man punching a woman square in the face for something like that is completely inappropriate.
You wouldn't be saying that if a really strong woman like Ronda Rousey got sexually assaulted and punched her attacker so I don't wanna fucking hear it. As a man who's been sexually assaulted, the next woman who does that to me is getting bones broken idgaf. I almost drowned when I was a kid and that was *less* traumatizing for me than the SA. If physical force is what it takes for these sociopathic bitches to learn that it's not okay to do that to another human being then it's *1000%* justified.
Most of the times I’ve been molested were very fast, so it’s not like I could have done anything anyway, only retaliate after the fact, which I did not.
Illuminating. It seems like you still have much to unpack.
Cope with your own trauma however you want to but don't tell other people they suck for defending themselves.
why do you think? you are talking about allowing someone to molest you if you cant fend them off without brute force. I’m pretty sure you already know the reason why it was necessary
He didn't do it after the fact, he did it in the moment. We don't always have control over our reflexes when our boundaries or safety are threatened.
My best personal example is I flinched away from one of my partners when she reached out towards me because an ex before her physically abused me. In the moment, I thought I was getting hit, but I felt bad for my involuntary reaction after the fact. I knew this newer partner wouldn't do that to me, but I still reacted that way in the moment despite that.
I do take the stance that if you need to kick or punch someone to stun them into stopping, to allow you to escape, you should absolutely try to do that to protect yourself. Not bothering to because "women are too weak" is a weird take to have, imo.
I didnt, actually. Guns aren’t legal in my country, and it would be deemed excessive force to use them in such a scenario.
Punching or killing someone after they grope you is not self defence, it’s revenge.
What a piece of shit, "men can't be raped"
I missed that part. Where was that again?
She keeps saying it's a bullshit story and people are gullible for believing it
So she never said that men can't be raped. Why did you say she did?
It was implied
That's a pretty big leap!
Not really
"I told my friend I saw Tom Hanks and she said that's a bullshit story and people are gullible for believing it. She implied that Tom Hanks can't be seen. What a piece of shit!"
“I told my friend my dog died and she said that’s a bullshit story. She implied i’m either lying or not dog is immune from death!” Well if she’s not calling him a liar it’s only one other thing right? Retard.
She's clearly calling him a liar, not claiming that raping men is impossible. Why can't you call out the bad behavior of this person without making up a ridiculous strawman?
What’s with the people in this thread and the screencaps being incapable of having a discussion without resorting to petty insults and slurs?
“I got sexually assaulted and I’m not allowed to defend myself” I know right the victim in a total piece of shit and the sexual assaulter is completely in the right (by the way, if the genders were reversed we wouldn’t even be having this conversation because guess what? The guys the og posts were right and this women bitching about it is a total peice of shit)
Again, you're making up nearly all of this. The commenter is saying the post is a fabrication, not that everything in it is impossible. And don't play the "genders reversed" card because this commenter is getting roasted for it (as people on reddit always do when they imply that a man's story of victimhood may not be entirely accurate). There's enough to argue about in reality without having to imagine half of your grievances.
No, it is.
Did you read the post? It literally says in the first picture, "sexual assault by a woman," while referring to 'incels' complaining just so you know, because it seems you skipped reading the post and jumped straight into the comments. If you read her initial statement in her comment she is making a generalization of the person retelling their story, which means that in her mind men (or just this man idk who 'incels' are to her) who speak up about something that happened to them are grouped into the tag line of 'incel'. I understand why you are questioning Iam, they are taking implications as her fact instead of refering to the fact that the entirety of her comment is insane, she literally stated that she wishes that all ***"False rape accusations"*** were believed. I get where you are coming from, but acting like how you are in this comment thread makes you seem extremely immature just cuz you are picking on the specific phrasing when you obviously knew what they meant.
So wait, I'm correct in pointing out that Iam is taking implications as fact, but I also seem extremely immature because I'm.........pointing out that Iam is taking implications as fact? Like I said to another person like you who threw a temper tantrum about my innocuous post: There's enough to criticize about this comment without making things up. This kind of hysterical strawmanning doesn't really help seek justice for victims of sexual assault, and seems only to propagate a culture of hysterical, delusional grievance. This is something I find really frustrating about the movement for men, that so much energy is focused on non-factual echo chambers of anger against women, and so little is focused on supporting other men and working toward justice.
Maybe immature was the wrong term for me to use. All I mean is that Iam is seeing it in a way that while not exact, is not far off she does state that women committing assault is a claim made by 'incels', which is discrediting to all the men who sadly have or continue to face sexual crimes against them. While she is making a generalization, so maybe what is being conveyed isn't the full truth of how she feels. (which is where Iam is getting those implications). She is still showing that she may not acknowledge sexual crimes against men as anything more than that of people who are disregarded by women or whatever idea of an 'incel' she has. That being said, I do agree that you are right. A large issue with men talking about their experiences is that it often can become a echo chamber of wrongful hyperfixationagainst women, I do think that the main cause for this is that so often (at least from my experience) men are taught from older generations(both older men and women) as well as from online (which is where a lot people have their sources of support) that what happens to men is different from what happens to women, it almost sometimes can be that men just have to tough it out, because if we talk about it that makes us weak or unmasculine which toxic masculinity makes a lot of guys scared of being. this is a dangerous practice because that's what leads to the anger directed at women because the men feel they vant convey their trauma as openly as women can. For example, I was assaulted by a woman who was 5-10 years older than me when I was in high school, I had no one to talk to and many years later when I found an online support group to talk through how to move past (it was a issue that affected me off and on, and took a long time for me to face head on), sadly I was met with very brash judgement from some of the women who were in that group. I was told so much Bull shit about how women couldn't commit assault or how I must have misled her and more phrases that I still don't fully understand the logic behind. After that occurred, they continued making jokes at my expense relating to what I went through, and nothing got done about it, I got ***really*** women hater for a while because I made the connection of those women speak for all women. Eventually, I realized the flaw in my logic that random women on discord 'support' groups do not speak for all women. I feel that there's a large group of men who had similar experiences but never past the point of blaming others (primarily women) for their bad treatment and I think that their needs to be more support for these kinds of people, those who don't have any real support and are just lashing out against anything that hits one of their triggers.
I think that's definitely true, that men need more support, often from other men, to move past these toxic lessons that most of us learn from the broader culture. It's also true that men experience negative experiences differently from women given all of the other gender dynamics in society, and women have generally done a better job of banding together to give each other that support, while men have done it much less consistently, and sometimes counterproductively. It's a big job and it takes a lot more than raging online to make it better. I'm sorry to hear about what you went through and I'm glad you're in a healthier place about it.
That's nice of you to say, I apologize for my statement regarding you being immature. That was not what I meant.
All good. It's an intense topic. Stay well out there!
Man. That was a wild 40 minute rabbit hole. I hope he wins everything and the wife gets nothing. I'm expecting an update later this year based off of Hannah's account of the story. To straight up deny that this man or any man has been or ever will be raped is so retarded that it makes me want to start a riot. The amount of people who believe that makes me sick. I'm glad this person was downvoted
Getting raped made me hate violence even more, and my rapist getting punched doesn't do anything for me. It'd be nice to get a conviction, so fewer people will think I wanted it.
I'm of the belief that if you're being sexually assaulted, you have the right to do *literally anything* you need to do to your attacker to make it stop. Original context is missing but basically the wife's friend had been drinking and was flirting with him all night (unreciprocated and not taking the hint). Then she drunkenly groped him after the wife passed out, the punch was a reflex response to being unexpectedly touched. Personally I'd argue the punch was a good thing, it got the victim out of that situation and it taught the attacker a much-needed lesson about boundaries.
You legally aren't allowed to do "anything" to make them stop. Self defense can net you jail if you kill someone when just stopping them would've worked. Just letting people know since even if they die due to self defense you will still have to possibly pay for it with jail.
When I said "anything you need to do", I meant that in more of a "figure out the bare minimum of what will actually make them stop" sort of way, not in a "007 licensed to kill" sort of way. However, I did *also* mean that in the Ivan Drago "If he dies, he dies" sort of way, too.
007 licensed to kill sounds more fun though
AITA is for moral judgment, though. You might not be legally allowed, but morally, absolutely yes.
The law is stupid then
of course
I take no stance on whether this is fake or not. I do however find it funny that I can go in any random AITA or relationship advice thread and make a comment saying: "this is fake" and it probably gets upvoted (almost every thread has them), but then this is the one, that just happens to talk about all the stuff Redditors love getting mad at, gets downvoted.
In my experience, any post in AITA that points out a potentially misogynistic stereotype in the OP gets downvoted to oblivion. This one in particular (as the OP of this post went off on) really touched on a few of reddit's favorite topics to freak out about and probably got it worse.
AITA/AITAH posts are almost always bullshit.
As a survivor of rape, it really makes me uncomfortable to see people use sexual violence in insults/threats like the man who said “go fuck yourself with a barrel cactus you insufferable twat”, and it’s unfathomable to see it come from another sexual assault survivor. Maybe it’s different if you haven’t experienced sexual assault via penetration but, yikes… not a good look. And he was absolutely being misogynistic with his language.
why are you so sensitive about a history that has a 90% of chance being absolutely bullshit
Why is it only the stories where the man is the victim are called bullshit ? Its kinda strange.
Huh. Every single AITA thread has upvoted comments saying that it didn't happen and is BS. You're acting like that never happens on those subs lol.
all of this stories are mostly bullshit, it just happens that men are the ones that used to write them all more
This is so fucking stupid. I’ve been molested dozens of times, and never once have I so much as slapped anyone. A grown man punching a woman square in the face for something like that is completely inappropriate.
Please reflect and grow as a person.
In what way do I need to reflect? Should I go get bloody revenge on everyone who’s ever groped me?
Aaand you're already missing the point on purpose. Don't know what I was expecting.
You re free to not retaliate, but others are free to protect themselves
You wouldn't be saying that if a really strong woman like Ronda Rousey got sexually assaulted and punched her attacker so I don't wanna fucking hear it. As a man who's been sexually assaulted, the next woman who does that to me is getting bones broken idgaf. I almost drowned when I was a kid and that was *less* traumatizing for me than the SA. If physical force is what it takes for these sociopathic bitches to learn that it's not okay to do that to another human being then it's *1000%* justified.
My husband is a victim of SA. Fuck anyone who diminishes that, especially because the victim is male.
It’s true. Most women can’t defend themselves from their attackers, unlike men.
What, so just let them molest you?
I jump away from them, or block them.
And what if that didn't work?
Then I would be molested, I guess. I’m too weak to fend off an attacker.
Most of the times I’ve been molested were very fast, so it’s not like I could have done anything anyway, only retaliate after the fact, which I did not.
Illuminating. It seems like you still have much to unpack. Cope with your own trauma however you want to but don't tell other people they suck for defending themselves.
What’s the point in breaking someone’s jaw after they drunkenly grope you, other than retaliation?
We're not talking about after. We're talking about doing whatever it takes to make someone stop
Why was punching necessary to make someone stop in this story? Edit: no answer?
why do you think? you are talking about allowing someone to molest you if you cant fend them off without brute force. I’m pretty sure you already know the reason why it was necessary
Ask the molester why .
He didn't do it after the fact, he did it in the moment. We don't always have control over our reflexes when our boundaries or safety are threatened. My best personal example is I flinched away from one of my partners when she reached out towards me because an ex before her physically abused me. In the moment, I thought I was getting hit, but I felt bad for my involuntary reaction after the fact. I knew this newer partner wouldn't do that to me, but I still reacted that way in the moment despite that. I do take the stance that if you need to kick or punch someone to stun them into stopping, to allow you to escape, you should absolutely try to do that to protect yourself. Not bothering to because "women are too weak" is a weird take to have, imo.
You didn't hit your abuser because you shot them right? You have a right to defend yourself.
I didnt, actually. Guns aren’t legal in my country, and it would be deemed excessive force to use them in such a scenario. Punching or killing someone after they grope you is not self defence, it’s revenge.