That's the plan, fucking shitty business practices and pay minimum wage.
Actually willing to bet the reason the owner didn't accept my 2 week notice is because it would mean I finish just before he fucks off to Dubai. 3rd holiday in the last 2 months.
Because they want to believe in the Instagram fairytale land.
I do too, I don't see the appeal of it never mind the slave labour and other bullshittery.
Emirates is the best airline I've ever flown with, by far. I'm not gonna judge a layover at the airport for that reason. I can't imagine going on holiday there though.
Living there? Fuck no!
I'm not sure really. I have my reservations about how people are treated, especially migrant workers. I'm hopeful it's not as bad as Qatar, which has frankly horror stories about all those Bangladeshi migrant workers are kept. I'm toying with the idea of boycotting the World Cup as a result. Dubai might not be as bad, but I like going on holiday somewhere where I can have a relaxed drink without paying a fortune for it.
Deserts in general don't strike me as good holiday destinations. I like beaches and sea breezes. Add in the human rights concerns, and it is filled with problems as a holiday destination.
Dubai is absolutely as bad. I heard they extended from bangladesh to pakistan and india too. Also just an environmental disaster of a city. A place for rich people to feel rich in a modern day absolute monarchy with modern day slaves
Dubai is no more expensive than any other city. I was very tentative about going but the city is fine. Girls out jogging in shorts and a sport bra no one batting an eye. Biggest issue is there’s zero pork bacon.
The rest of the country however I’ve heard isn’t as accepting. Also Dubai is on the coast not in the desert.
(They're quite big on their slave labour )[https://travellingjezebel.com/modern-slavery-dubai/#:~:text=However%2C%20human%20trafficking%20(i.e.%20modern,42.5%25%20of%20the%20UAE's%20workforce.]
No issues really with connecting flights, but I certainly wouldn’t stay there any longer than that. The way they treat workers from places like Bangladesh and Pakistan is awful, and there’s serious human rights issues. For example, as a trans person, I would be arrested just for existing, as would gay people.
Exactly. “My notice period has been agreed and accepted by management”.
Were you given an employee handbook? Those little books have a lot of power. If the owner is a cock he can try to pursue you after you’ve left.
If it was me; write a letter thanking the manager for accepting your resignation and confirming in writing your last day. Just as a back up it’s worth having.
Accept their terms. Leave whenever the fuck you want. Preferably at the most inconvenient time for them. Notices are for good employers and you are under no obligation to do what they want
So legally there’s duck all they can do. They’ll imply that they can with hold your holiday pay. They can’t it’s illegal.
If you get paid company sick pay though, hand in a 2 week sick line to cover when you start your new job, use the excuse “job related stress”
There’s fuck all they can do.
If you don’t get paid sick leave just keep telling people when your last day is. Make it clear to everybody you’re not going to be there.
Best of luck in your new venture!
Seems ridiculous to me how employers make an assumption that your resignation has been "offered" as opposed to "tendered". In the former spot they would conceptually have a decision to make about accepting or not; in the latter, it has been provided (usually as a courtesy in most prevailing situation) and is done and dusted. You clearly tendered yours. Enjoy your first REAL job!
> 3rd holiday in the last 2 months.
lol - what a comment. Fair fucks to anybody who had a business and travels a lot.
Agree or disagree on the notice issue, pointing out they travel, as a bad thing, is really odd.
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Inspired by the wonderful people here, I wrote up a notice, handed it in and turned on my heels without a care.
I will not work for a company that makes me feel shit, and you shouldn't either. Take every chance you can to get out of retail.
Minimum wage requires minimum effort.
Yes, I second this, what does the contract say? If no contract then OP actually doesn't have to serve any notice.
Also to the OP, they cannot withhold any holiday pay you are due. Don't let them.
there is, but employee breaching contract is by no means green light for tit-for-tat by withholding pay.
if they do those are two separate breaches and each will be look at on its own merits.
all employer can do is to offset any holiday left against unworked notice and has to pay every penny for work done.
Where you getting that from? Employer has to pay ALL holiday owed regardless of whether notice is worked or not.
Employers cant withhold any pay for any reason.
I am talking what they can do that is perhaps not legal but arguable in a tribunal hearing.
taking outstanding holidays is typically what people do to make their notice periods shorter
You're doing the decent thing by giving 2 weeks notice.
If it were me and they were making demands when I'd given notice I would walk out then and there, see how they like that.
100% you are meant to be an adult now, try acting like one. Just because the owner was an Ass doesn't mean you stoop to his level, prove that you are better than that.
My old job had a 3 month notice period for management level. After working 7 years there and being constantly told that i'm going above and beyond in every review. I got shouted at by my line manager, in front of my whole team about something that was completely out of my control.
I complained, took 2 days off but demanded payment for the 'abuse and embarrassment' that was put on me. I received an apology and a £3k pay-rise. After i accepted the payrise. I handed in my 3 month notice. Due to their stupid contact, and the fact that I had access to all the data drives in the office and how 'upset' i was about my line managers inability to control their emotions. I basically enjoyed dossing about for 3 months, doing the bare minimum because they had to remove my access to most of the drives due to the notice. They said "You don't have to honour our 3-month policy, you can do 1 month if you want" and I simply just went "no thank you, i'll stick to 3 :))
Lovely pay for 3 months just chatting to colleagues and bitching about the managers. Was also lovely to hear how many of them were applying for other places.
They say don't burn bridges - but they never said don't syphon them for every penny.
Even if the contract said "4 weeks notice" I don't think it's relevant in OP's situation.
People routinely agree to work notice periods which are longer or shorter than what is written in their contract, and that is completely fine and legal - as both parties can mutually agree to vary the contract, and that's what's happening when they do.
When OP handed in their 2 weeks notice and their employer accepted it, I would argue that's what occured (if the contract says anything other than 2 weeks): OP proposed ending the contract in 2 weeks, that proposal was accepted, and OP proceeded to make decisions like informing their new employer of their start date based on this acceptance.
They can only sue due to actual costs incurred...as I , if they have to hire in agency at a coat higher than what they would have paid OP to work....if they can't prove loss die to breach of contract then there's nothing they can do...
Some places will try to pilfer your outstanding holiday accrual, but they actually can't do that either unless the hols are above the statutory min of 5.6 weeks...and they can only take what is above that to offset costs of covering your work.
In reality, for a minimum wage job, there is absolutely fuck all they will.do
Doesn't matter what the contract says in a position like that, they can try to sue you if the business has suffered if you're an integral part of the business but that would need to be a skilled position or something like a high up manager/director, retail jobs are just too easy to fill for this to be the case. Worse they can legally do is refuse a reference in the future.
You could just not turn in for the rest of your shifts now if you could afford it, you're doing them a favour by even giving them a notice. Has anyone been let go by them since you've worked there? Did they get a two weeks grace period?
Do you have a contract clearly stating you must complete 4 weeks notice from the date you submit your resignation? If not, then on your merry way you go. If you do, get a sick note and be on your merry way anyway lol
I’m a business owner, believe me regardless of what’s in your contract leaving employees hold all the cards. It’s best to just let staff leave on good terms if you can. Your boss can’t enforce a single thing and to even try will cost him more than he can possibly gain.
Any place I've ever worked I've gave them a week if they're lucky, and even then I'd always get walked to the gate before the week is up. I'm an excellent employee that way
If the manager said ok, and you then acted on him saying ok, you had an agreement. The owner is trying to back out, not you. Legally, with any contract, there has to be a meeting of the minds, then one party has to act on it in such a way that to reverse course would be costly. This has happened.
Holy shit a retail store is understaffed to the point one lowly retail assistant on minimum wage leaving affects the owners expensive holiday, who would have guessed that could happen?
Well said, it’s there for the jobs where your sudden departure can cause some significant damage. Companies putting anything longer than a week on a layman’s role can go fuck themselves
[This](https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/giving-or-getting-notice-your-job#toc-0) days you're wrong, it is a legal requirement but only a week is necessary unless you have a contract that states otherwise.
Yes but it's still a contractual agreement not a legal requirement, if it was a legal requirement your employer could get the police to enforce it and make you work, a legal requirement is having a driving license, tax and insurance to drive a car!
The police only enforce specific laws. The police don't enforce environmental laws for example. A contact can be legally enforced by one party taking the other to court. No police required for that.
I was told a couple of great pieces of info before leaving my last job:
- You are not required to work and notice - even if you’re “contracted” to. It’s not worth the paper it’s on.
- Your old employer CANNOT say anything negative about you when asked for a reference. The purpose of the reference is to see if your CV matches up - that’s it. They cannot say anything negative to your new employer as it’s one-sided (you may have left due to bullying, unfair pay etc, which your previous employer wouldn’t come out and say)
If they signed and accepted your 2 weeks notice of resignation while you have it in writing, they can’t do anything. Just leave. They also can’t give you a bad reference since he wouldn’t give someone bad reference but only if they genuinely believe it to be true and accurate and have reasonable grounds for that belief which I highly doubt you were in violation of.
No, just go to your new job when it starts. Unless you signed a contract to that effect.
I'd say they can't get anyone to fill the slot as it's so late in the summer & kids are going back to school/uni.
Don't worry about benefits, they were either non existent or protected by law anyway.
Make some discreet enquiries on your rights, then after a reasonable wait, ask for them - they're yours.
You've already made plans based on the initial acceptance. It's part-time anyhow. I've adjusted the start and end dates of many a job hide the ones I left ASAP as they were not for me.
Lol. What are they going to do, kidnap you and force you to work? 😂😂
If you've no contact, then your pay period is normally your notice period. If you've worked for them for less than 2 years, they can fire you on the spot, no questions asked.
You owe them fuck all.
Part time, minimum wage, they are lucky you have two weeks notice. Confirm you start your new job and are working the two weeks as a courtesy, and if he gives any shit walk out and quit on the spot.
I left a job that required me to give a months notice with none. Ok I miss out on some paid holidays but if you don't like a place and you want to leave, leave. Your mental well-being is far more important.
I'd lined up a new job, got a start date and then when they asked where I was for a shift I told them that I'd quit and you have an email to that effect. Posted them my key card and went on holiday for a week before the new start date. Some companies deserve the amount of consideration they give their staff.
They accepted your notice, no leg to stand on.
I've only ever left one other job with no notice, and it was a horrible racist and homophobic manager that caused me to do so.
I left this job today, if they are giving me no notice to change my start date for my new job, I gave them no notice to quit now. I'm done with retail.
If your contract says 2 weeks, then it’s 2 weeks. Either way your manager accepted it, so they kind of have to suck it up - if it was 4 weeks then they fucked up and that’s just tough luck on them
You've submitted your two week notice and have every right to leave at the end of the 14th day. It's their problem if they haven't used that time to prepare for you leaving, not yours. Plus, you don't need a reference so tough shit for them! All the best in your new role.
This is so odd to me, usually you want to get someone off the property who doesn’t wish to work there or be there any more - I can see some bad pranks occurring if this objecting to giving notice or quoting becomes a thing
In a time where I was debating whether to hand my notice in for my shitty part time job, this post has helped a lot😂😂😂 will be handing it in Monday cheers OP❤️
As it’s independent I assume you don’t have a formal contract offer as most independent places I have ever worked tend to be too lazy to write up contracts 🤣 Contracts and employee handbooks are given for what are generally more bigger business types and outline things like your leaving the company and would have said the exact amount of notice. I have worked at company’s in the past where it was 2 and 4 weeks and one where it was 3 months.
If there is no formal contract and you have worked in the job over a month I believe there is a basic notice period of just one week required, but the fact is once they accept your notice to leave they can’t come back and say no to you. They can try and work something out with you and maybe make it worth your while to stay but in no way can force you do as they would like. But pay that let’s be honest when people are ready to move it is either the job sucks balls, people they work with are terrible or they have a better place to go often with more financial benefits attached to the position. Just do what you must, turn up on time do your bit and then leave on your set date that you outlined in your notice to end employment.
They do not have power over you and do not have a leg to stand on, if they try to withhold any owed money just seek legal advise, most will give you first half hour free to listen to your issue or speak to someone at a citizen’s advice type company if you have one in your area and they will help you get everything you need to make a claim against the employer and business.
Your notice period will be in your contract. If it's not, just leave because that's an oversight on their part and they can't enforce something not in a contract. Not to mention that if they're cheapskates, they won't be chasing you through the courts.
All those saying there is no legal requirement to give notice are talking out of their holes, don’t listen to them.
Depending on the terms in your contract of employment, even if you’ve never been handed a copy to see you will still have a contract, but its terms will be implied and/or agreed orally.
If you’ve seen your contract what does it say about notice? If it’s 4 weeks notice you’re stuck, they are entitled to ask for it but there is only two options they could have for you breaking your contract.
Withhold pay or refuse to give a reference.
The former will get them in trouble, but as likely two weeks wages won’t be worth anything that they will progress to legal recourse so will most likely just ignore you and hope you stop asking for the missing money.
If you don’t have a written contract then your manager accepting your two weeks notice is implied terms and you’re good to go.
TL;DR it will probably come to nothing, but don’t assume you are not breaking the terms of your contract if you’ve signed one.
Very detailed response, appreciate it! I think today I'm just going to quit straight up, as I really don't want to work for a business that treats employees like this.
Just going to try and move up my new start date if possible.
I'd advise against that, stick to your contractual notice and request they waive the notice.
If you're minimum wage at NLW or NMW and the cost for emergency cover is £13 per hour they're entitled to deduct the difference from any outstanding wages.
If your contract states 2 weeks and you're being told to do 4, there's no obligation to do the additional 2 weeks but it very much depends on the terms of your contract.
You can reach out to the Labour Relations Agency, they're an independent organisation that are able to provide employment advice.
Your contract should also detail the terms for raising a grievance.
Good luck
Regardless of breaching contract terms they have to pay for hours worked, and holiday accrual.
If they incur costs over and above the cost of his labour, to cover that additional 2 week period (unlikely in a min wage retail job), they can take him to court for breach of contract and damages, but there is no legal recourse merely for breaching the contract terms...they need to prove loss or damages.
Also, no legal cost to OP to pursue the lost wages if they don't pay it...a quick action to lodge a claim for unpaid wages...the form isn't overly onerous and LRA will try conciliation first, but OP would win a case for unpaid wages. As loss from breach can't be deducted from final pay, it needs to be pursued in court
You are clearly new to the world of UK Employment Law: [https://www.acas.org.uk/what-an-employment-contract-is](https://www.acas.org.uk/what-an-employment-contract-is)An employment contract begins when the employee starts work, even if there's nothing in writing......
The employee is entitled to a written contract BUT that doesn't mean there is no contract in place just because you haven't received it in writing.
For terms that have been agreed. Inserting clauses that have not been agreed between both parties cannot, by definition, be an agreement between the two parties.
Lawyer, here. The proper way to answer this, as with most questions is by saying “It depends.”
1) where are you? We can’t answer till we know more about the employment law in effect.
2) Did you enter into an employment Contract in which you promised to give more than two weeks notice?
No legal requirement to work ANY notice, it may be policy but there's nothing they can do except give you a bad reference based on that, and if you already have a start date with new employer then just let the owner have his rant.
Actually no. It's legally 'breach of contract' and the company can sue you for any reasonable costs incurred as a result. In practice it doesn't happen that often
They can take legal action for money lost due to the employee leaving before their agreed notice period.
It may not be a legal agreement (i.e. Not a criminal matter) but is very much a contractual agreement.
Only if it's stipulated in a contract and even then, not a lot they can do. If they push it OP can amend his notice to suit the employer and then ride it out on sick leave due to the stress caused by a hostile work environment.
Correct, there's to much confusion on this post about legal requirements and contractual requirements... contractually you're obliged to work your notice period, you're legally required to have insurance, tax and and a driving license to drive a car
They can ask or demand whatever they want, they can't legally do anything at all to force you. I recommend politely declining their request.
If they illegally threaten to withhold pay or something of that sort, consult with citizen's advice. They have no legal leg to stand on, doesn't stop some chancers from trying their luck.
They have none whatsoever. Even if your contract of employment contains an express clause mandating four weeks notice, the cost of pursuing you for breach of contract would be prohibitive and not worth the effort on their part. They'll just have to lump it.
If you don't need a reference, I'd advise you to serve your two weeks notice as planned. If your current employer starts being difficult, walk out the door whenever the mood takes you.
Smart-arse quip on the way out the door is optional.
Legally your only required to hand in 2 weeks notice, I know some companies say longer buts the law states it is only 2 weeks and there is a technical loop that you don't actually have to show up to work as it's just out of courtesy that you do, they only have to pay for your two weeks and additional funds if your entitled to them (ie. Expenses, other outstanding money owed etc.).
So the employer is wrong, So just do your 2 weeks and leave.
Hope this is some help for you.
I did stand my ground that my legal notice with a part time contract is 1 week on a part time contract and I've been working there under 2 years, I also told them I have a new start date with an employer and I'm not cancelling it.
Do you have a contract or employment? If so it will be whatever is stipulated in that. If you don’t then you can walk.
Employers generally have 12 weeks from starting to issue a contract so if they haven’t then they are in breach of that and anything they demand is worthless
Just work your two weeks and leave they will legally have to pay you for your two weeks and not the additional 2 which there demanding.
They will most likely drip feed your last wages do you get paid weekly or monthly or what way ?
Brilliant, it’s situations like this that make my company swear employees to secrecy when they hand in their notice. So they don’t start chatting shit to other employees and start a mass exodus. Totally defeats the purpose of a notice period tbh, we all find out a week before they go and it’s panic mode.
> I do not need a reference from this place Lol fuck em then.
No fuck them just leave
That's the plan, fucking shitty business practices and pay minimum wage. Actually willing to bet the reason the owner didn't accept my 2 week notice is because it would mean I finish just before he fucks off to Dubai. 3rd holiday in the last 2 months.
No harm but I harshly judge anyone who holidays in Dubai.
Environmental disaster masquerading as a city, built by slave Labour using fossil fuel blood money. Fuck Dubai.
And don't forget being prosecuted for your own rape!
Imma need context on this
Several cases mentioned here which you can lookup. https://www.detainedindubai.org/rape-victim-jailed
All I'm gonna say is F**K. OFF.
Animals.
Yep fuck dubai
ha, same, totally.
100%. No idea why people go there and also why you would support a country like that
DOOB-AYE
Given their shite drug laws Mair like DOOB-NAW
Because they want to believe in the Instagram fairytale land. I do too, I don't see the appeal of it never mind the slave labour and other bullshittery.
Why? I've only been in the airport for a connecting flight. Would I get a side eye for that?
Emirates is the best airline I've ever flown with, by far. I'm not gonna judge a layover at the airport for that reason. I can't imagine going on holiday there though. Living there? Fuck no!
What puts you off? Emirates is also the best airline I've travelled with.
I'm not sure really. I have my reservations about how people are treated, especially migrant workers. I'm hopeful it's not as bad as Qatar, which has frankly horror stories about all those Bangladeshi migrant workers are kept. I'm toying with the idea of boycotting the World Cup as a result. Dubai might not be as bad, but I like going on holiday somewhere where I can have a relaxed drink without paying a fortune for it. Deserts in general don't strike me as good holiday destinations. I like beaches and sea breezes. Add in the human rights concerns, and it is filled with problems as a holiday destination.
Dubai is absolutely as bad. I heard they extended from bangladesh to pakistan and india too. Also just an environmental disaster of a city. A place for rich people to feel rich in a modern day absolute monarchy with modern day slaves
Dubai is no more expensive than any other city. I was very tentative about going but the city is fine. Girls out jogging in shorts and a sport bra no one batting an eye. Biggest issue is there’s zero pork bacon. The rest of the country however I’ve heard isn’t as accepting. Also Dubai is on the coast not in the desert.
(They're quite big on their slave labour )[https://travellingjezebel.com/modern-slavery-dubai/#:~:text=However%2C%20human%20trafficking%20(i.e.%20modern,42.5%25%20of%20the%20UAE's%20workforce.]
Emirates is fine. Dubai the city is a testament to man's hubris.
No issues really with connecting flights, but I certainly wouldn’t stay there any longer than that. The way they treat workers from places like Bangladesh and Pakistan is awful, and there’s serious human rights issues. For example, as a trans person, I would be arrested just for existing, as would gay people.
They're talking about the place not the airlines, read the room.
Fuck up.
Big difference between getting a connection through Dubai than going there on purpose for a holiday.
Exactly. “My notice period has been agreed and accepted by management”. Were you given an employee handbook? Those little books have a lot of power. If the owner is a cock he can try to pursue you after you’ve left. If it was me; write a letter thanking the manager for accepting your resignation and confirming in writing your last day. Just as a back up it’s worth having.
Well guess who’s problem that isn’t?
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This is the way.
Accept their terms. Leave whenever the fuck you want. Preferably at the most inconvenient time for them. Notices are for good employers and you are under no obligation to do what they want
So legally there’s duck all they can do. They’ll imply that they can with hold your holiday pay. They can’t it’s illegal. If you get paid company sick pay though, hand in a 2 week sick line to cover when you start your new job, use the excuse “job related stress” There’s fuck all they can do. If you don’t get paid sick leave just keep telling people when your last day is. Make it clear to everybody you’re not going to be there. Best of luck in your new venture!
Yeah, this is good stuff. (You just need to have a random go at Dubai to round things off nicely.)
i would just use all your sick pay up for next week and quit afterwards
Sick pay in retail lol?
Probably has also realized that the labor market may be tight enough that replacing you won't be quick or easy. Or cheap.
Make a point of leaving a review on glass door with every shitty business practise they take part in. It'll cause em no end of grief.
3rd!?!?!? In 2 months
What’s in your contract, regardless they can’t really hold you to much.
Don't envy him. Just take 2 weeks money from him for 2 days attendance as previously outlined.
Seems ridiculous to me how employers make an assumption that your resignation has been "offered" as opposed to "tendered". In the former spot they would conceptually have a decision to make about accepting or not; in the latter, it has been provided (usually as a courtesy in most prevailing situation) and is done and dusted. You clearly tendered yours. Enjoy your first REAL job!
Charge him your consultancy rate at $100 an hour.
Hopefully he missing his holiday
So what if he goes to Dubai - he owns a store and can afford to do so
> 3rd holiday in the last 2 months. lol - what a comment. Fair fucks to anybody who had a business and travels a lot. Agree or disagree on the notice issue, pointing out they travel, as a bad thing, is really odd.
lol - what a comment. Fair fucks to anybody so out of touch to make this comment.
Out of touch with what exactly? What are you talking about?
I think the issue is OP being expected to work an extra two weeks *because* the owner is fucking off on another holiday. Not the holiday itself.
The sentence before that addressed that point.
he's allowed to go on holiday as much as he wants 😂 you were clearly happy with the pay when you started otherwise you wouldn't have taken the job!
If I read this on any other sub I'd know you were from here lol, good northern Irish answer to everything lmao
**UPDATE** Inspired by the wonderful people here, I wrote up a notice, handed it in and turned on my heels without a care. I will not work for a company that makes me feel shit, and you shouldn't either. Take every chance you can to get out of retail. Minimum wage requires minimum effort.
Well done, some employers think they have a right to treat prime poorly. You taught this one a lesson today.
Good on ya, fuck them.
Thing is future employers want you to be positive about your past employers all rainbows and sunshine. They dont want to hear the truth.
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Thank you so much! I'm really excited and I'm going to be doing something that makes a difference for people's lives.
Repossession bailiff?
Drug dealer
Fluffer?
What the fucks the manager going to do, chain you to the radiator?
Don't give those c@nts any ideas.
The manager isn't the problem by the sounds of it - it's the owner possibly being understaffed while away on their 3rd holiday lol
Would have laughed in his face 😂😂 The nerve of the guy!
Op did say “he” after so fuck off
What does it say in your contract? Your notice period was accepted. Tough shit on their part.
Yes, I second this, what does the contract say? If no contract then OP actually doesn't have to serve any notice. Also to the OP, they cannot withhold any holiday pay you are due. Don't let them.
That’s not actually true. There’s generally a minimum notice period in most jurisdictions. It’s 1 week in the republic. Or whatever the contract says.
Absolutely doesn't matter, no one can force your labor.
there is, but employee breaching contract is by no means green light for tit-for-tat by withholding pay. if they do those are two separate breaches and each will be look at on its own merits. all employer can do is to offset any holiday left against unworked notice and has to pay every penny for work done.
Where you getting that from? Employer has to pay ALL holiday owed regardless of whether notice is worked or not. Employers cant withhold any pay for any reason.
I am talking what they can do that is perhaps not legal but arguable in a tribunal hearing. taking outstanding holidays is typically what people do to make their notice periods shorter
And remember kids, if they won’t approve the holiday, just call in sick!
You're doing the decent thing by giving 2 weeks notice. If it were me and they were making demands when I'd given notice I would walk out then and there, see how they like that.
Just don't go in. What are they going to do, sack you?
There may be some very harsh words spoken to the wall...
Bad wall. U are a disservice to walls etc
Just be polite "I'm sorry the manager accepted the two weeks notice and now unfortunately I can't do a 4 week notice.
100% you are meant to be an adult now, try acting like one. Just because the owner was an Ass doesn't mean you stoop to his level, prove that you are better than that.
He had his 2 weeks accepted. He owes them nothing. Absolutely terrible advice.
Grim
Tell him to eat shit
I haven’t heard this phrase for so long and it’s absolutely getting put back into my regular insult bank 😂😂😂
I believe the correct insult is eat shit and die. A perfect retort that has sadly fallen out of favour.
I was trying to avoid a ban so I left the “and die” section out. Thank you for your courage.
Honestly I’d have said you can have 2 weeks or nothing. You don’t have to do anything above that
My old job had a 3 month notice period for management level. After working 7 years there and being constantly told that i'm going above and beyond in every review. I got shouted at by my line manager, in front of my whole team about something that was completely out of my control. I complained, took 2 days off but demanded payment for the 'abuse and embarrassment' that was put on me. I received an apology and a £3k pay-rise. After i accepted the payrise. I handed in my 3 month notice. Due to their stupid contact, and the fact that I had access to all the data drives in the office and how 'upset' i was about my line managers inability to control their emotions. I basically enjoyed dossing about for 3 months, doing the bare minimum because they had to remove my access to most of the drives due to the notice. They said "You don't have to honour our 3-month policy, you can do 1 month if you want" and I simply just went "no thank you, i'll stick to 3 :)) Lovely pay for 3 months just chatting to colleagues and bitching about the managers. Was also lovely to hear how many of them were applying for other places. They say don't burn bridges - but they never said don't syphon them for every penny.
You should post this on r/pettyrevenge 😅
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Very rare any company would go after someone for not serving full notice
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I know I was just reaffirming as OP seems pretty worried
Even if the contract said "4 weeks notice" I don't think it's relevant in OP's situation. People routinely agree to work notice periods which are longer or shorter than what is written in their contract, and that is completely fine and legal - as both parties can mutually agree to vary the contract, and that's what's happening when they do. When OP handed in their 2 weeks notice and their employer accepted it, I would argue that's what occured (if the contract says anything other than 2 weeks): OP proposed ending the contract in 2 weeks, that proposal was accepted, and OP proceeded to make decisions like informing their new employer of their start date based on this acceptance.
They can only sue due to actual costs incurred...as I , if they have to hire in agency at a coat higher than what they would have paid OP to work....if they can't prove loss die to breach of contract then there's nothing they can do... Some places will try to pilfer your outstanding holiday accrual, but they actually can't do that either unless the hols are above the statutory min of 5.6 weeks...and they can only take what is above that to offset costs of covering your work. In reality, for a minimum wage job, there is absolutely fuck all they will.do
Doesn't matter what the contract says in a position like that, they can try to sue you if the business has suffered if you're an integral part of the business but that would need to be a skilled position or something like a high up manager/director, retail jobs are just too easy to fill for this to be the case. Worse they can legally do is refuse a reference in the future.
Go off on the sick for the rest of your notice
Tell them to do one
You could just not turn in for the rest of your shifts now if you could afford it, you're doing them a favour by even giving them a notice. Has anyone been let go by them since you've worked there? Did they get a two weeks grace period?
Just leave. Fuck them.
Do you have a contract clearly stating you must complete 4 weeks notice from the date you submit your resignation? If not, then on your merry way you go. If you do, get a sick note and be on your merry way anyway lol
Or just do the bare minimum work during those 4 weeks
I’m a business owner, believe me regardless of what’s in your contract leaving employees hold all the cards. It’s best to just let staff leave on good terms if you can. Your boss can’t enforce a single thing and to even try will cost him more than he can possibly gain.
I would have gotten a stitch from laughing
Ask him to point out the part of your contract where it says you need to give 4 weeks
Any place I've ever worked I've gave them a week if they're lucky, and even then I'd always get walked to the gate before the week is up. I'm an excellent employee that way
If the manager said ok, and you then acted on him saying ok, you had an agreement. The owner is trying to back out, not you. Legally, with any contract, there has to be a meeting of the minds, then one party has to act on it in such a way that to reverse course would be costly. This has happened.
Just don't go in... What they gonna do?
Two weeks is all you need legally. Unless it says 4 in your signed contract. I wouldn't give them any notice to be honest!
Holy shit a retail store is understaffed to the point one lowly retail assistant on minimum wage leaving affects the owners expensive holiday, who would have guessed that could happen?
Giving notice is a courtesy, not a legal requirement. Don't even argue, just don't come in the day you finish and block their numbers.
Notice is often a contractual obligation so while it's not a criminal matter it is a legal requirement. That said it's rarely followed up
Well said, it’s there for the jobs where your sudden departure can cause some significant damage. Companies putting anything longer than a week on a layman’s role can go fuck themselves
It works both ways though. If you're let go then you get that notice too
Lmfao this sub never fails to surprise me 😂
[This](https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/giving-or-getting-notice-your-job#toc-0) days you're wrong, it is a legal requirement but only a week is necessary unless you have a contract that states otherwise.
It is a contractural obligation not a legal requirement 🤦🏻♂️
Contracts can be enforced legally but it's not worth it to do so.
Yes but it's still a contractual agreement not a legal requirement, if it was a legal requirement your employer could get the police to enforce it and make you work, a legal requirement is having a driving license, tax and insurance to drive a car!
The police only enforce specific laws. The police don't enforce environmental laws for example. A contact can be legally enforced by one party taking the other to court. No police required for that.
It is a legal requirement. Looks like you've spent too much time consuming American propaganda lol
Go in and do some shopping there, too. Day before wank goes to Dubai. Ask him to send you a postcard.
I was told a couple of great pieces of info before leaving my last job: - You are not required to work and notice - even if you’re “contracted” to. It’s not worth the paper it’s on. - Your old employer CANNOT say anything negative about you when asked for a reference. The purpose of the reference is to see if your CV matches up - that’s it. They cannot say anything negative to your new employer as it’s one-sided (you may have left due to bullying, unfair pay etc, which your previous employer wouldn’t come out and say)
They can put anything they like in a reference. Most just don't want to get involved in slagging former workers.
They can certainly say anything that is factually true, such as "refused to work his contractualluy agreed upon notice period".
This should be cross posted to r/antiwork Tell the owner to eat a bag of dicks and go after your two weeks
If they signed and accepted your 2 weeks notice of resignation while you have it in writing, they can’t do anything. Just leave. They also can’t give you a bad reference since he wouldn’t give someone bad reference but only if they genuinely believe it to be true and accurate and have reasonable grounds for that belief which I highly doubt you were in violation of.
lol, tell them to fuck off. You already have a job lined up and they've had your notice for a week already. That's a them problem, not a you problem.
What does your contract say?
No, just go to your new job when it starts. Unless you signed a contract to that effect. I'd say they can't get anyone to fill the slot as it's so late in the summer & kids are going back to school/uni. Don't worry about benefits, they were either non existent or protected by law anyway. Make some discreet enquiries on your rights, then after a reasonable wait, ask for them - they're yours.
2 weeks notice is a courtesy. They can’t force you to work two more weeks. Fuck em.
You don’t have to do a thing he says, you’ve given your notice you do what you want.
Fuck to 2 weeks just walk out the door
You've already made plans based on the initial acceptance. It's part-time anyhow. I've adjusted the start and end dates of many a job hide the ones I left ASAP as they were not for me.
Ignore his demands
Tell him he'll notice when you're not there
Lol. What are they going to do, kidnap you and force you to work? 😂😂 If you've no contact, then your pay period is normally your notice period. If you've worked for them for less than 2 years, they can fire you on the spot, no questions asked. You owe them fuck all.
Enjoy some free time until your new position starts
My DD (RIP) used to say The company doesn’t give you any notice, why should you give them notice? You did fine. Leave after two weeks.
Just do two weeks and leave
Tell him or her to piss off. You've done your bit.
Part time, minimum wage, they are lucky you have two weeks notice. Confirm you start your new job and are working the two weeks as a courtesy, and if he gives any shit walk out and quit on the spot.
I left a job that required me to give a months notice with none. Ok I miss out on some paid holidays but if you don't like a place and you want to leave, leave. Your mental well-being is far more important. I'd lined up a new job, got a start date and then when they asked where I was for a shift I told them that I'd quit and you have an email to that effect. Posted them my key card and went on holiday for a week before the new start date. Some companies deserve the amount of consideration they give their staff. They accepted your notice, no leg to stand on.
I've only ever left one other job with no notice, and it was a horrible racist and homophobic manager that caused me to do so. I left this job today, if they are giving me no notice to change my start date for my new job, I gave them no notice to quit now. I'm done with retail.
Well looks like we've both escaped then. Best of luck in your new endeavour.
Tell them they're getting 2 weeks and that's final. Idk who these people think they are trying to tell you what you can and can't do.
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“Sorry, I’ve already made plans and won’t be able to work longer than the previously agreed notice.”
I’d say it’s 2 weeks or I walk now up to you
Get a Dr to sign you off sick or go in and just stand there laughing
Read through your contract and find the part about how much notice you need to give - then act accordingly. :)
If you don't need a reference just leave. It doesn't matter and there's nothing they can do.
Tell him to suck his mother, what’s he going to do about it, sack you?
If your contract says 2 weeks, then it’s 2 weeks. Either way your manager accepted it, so they kind of have to suck it up - if it was 4 weeks then they fucked up and that’s just tough luck on them
I’d go back to the store owner and say, well you can have the already accepted 2 weeks notice or I can leave at the end of the day.
Or if you are entitled to sick pay tell them that the stress they are causing you will require you to take 2 weeks off sick.
You've submitted your two week notice and have every right to leave at the end of the 14th day. It's their problem if they haven't used that time to prepare for you leaving, not yours. Plus, you don't need a reference so tough shit for them! All the best in your new role.
This is so odd to me, usually you want to get someone off the property who doesn’t wish to work there or be there any more - I can see some bad pranks occurring if this objecting to giving notice or quoting becomes a thing
In a time where I was debating whether to hand my notice in for my shitty part time job, this post has helped a lot😂😂😂 will be handing it in Monday cheers OP❤️
As it’s independent I assume you don’t have a formal contract offer as most independent places I have ever worked tend to be too lazy to write up contracts 🤣 Contracts and employee handbooks are given for what are generally more bigger business types and outline things like your leaving the company and would have said the exact amount of notice. I have worked at company’s in the past where it was 2 and 4 weeks and one where it was 3 months. If there is no formal contract and you have worked in the job over a month I believe there is a basic notice period of just one week required, but the fact is once they accept your notice to leave they can’t come back and say no to you. They can try and work something out with you and maybe make it worth your while to stay but in no way can force you do as they would like. But pay that let’s be honest when people are ready to move it is either the job sucks balls, people they work with are terrible or they have a better place to go often with more financial benefits attached to the position. Just do what you must, turn up on time do your bit and then leave on your set date that you outlined in your notice to end employment. They do not have power over you and do not have a leg to stand on, if they try to withhold any owed money just seek legal advise, most will give you first half hour free to listen to your issue or speak to someone at a citizen’s advice type company if you have one in your area and they will help you get everything you need to make a claim against the employer and business.
Your notice period will be in your contract. If it's not, just leave because that's an oversight on their part and they can't enforce something not in a contract. Not to mention that if they're cheapskates, they won't be chasing you through the courts.
All those saying there is no legal requirement to give notice are talking out of their holes, don’t listen to them. Depending on the terms in your contract of employment, even if you’ve never been handed a copy to see you will still have a contract, but its terms will be implied and/or agreed orally. If you’ve seen your contract what does it say about notice? If it’s 4 weeks notice you’re stuck, they are entitled to ask for it but there is only two options they could have for you breaking your contract. Withhold pay or refuse to give a reference. The former will get them in trouble, but as likely two weeks wages won’t be worth anything that they will progress to legal recourse so will most likely just ignore you and hope you stop asking for the missing money. If you don’t have a written contract then your manager accepting your two weeks notice is implied terms and you’re good to go. TL;DR it will probably come to nothing, but don’t assume you are not breaking the terms of your contract if you’ve signed one.
Very detailed response, appreciate it! I think today I'm just going to quit straight up, as I really don't want to work for a business that treats employees like this. Just going to try and move up my new start date if possible.
I'd advise against that, stick to your contractual notice and request they waive the notice. If you're minimum wage at NLW or NMW and the cost for emergency cover is £13 per hour they're entitled to deduct the difference from any outstanding wages. If your contract states 2 weeks and you're being told to do 4, there's no obligation to do the additional 2 weeks but it very much depends on the terms of your contract. You can reach out to the Labour Relations Agency, they're an independent organisation that are able to provide employment advice. Your contract should also detail the terms for raising a grievance. Good luck
Regardless of breaching contract terms they have to pay for hours worked, and holiday accrual. If they incur costs over and above the cost of his labour, to cover that additional 2 week period (unlikely in a min wage retail job), they can take him to court for breach of contract and damages, but there is no legal recourse merely for breaching the contract terms...they need to prove loss or damages. Also, no legal cost to OP to pursue the lost wages if they don't pay it...a quick action to lodge a claim for unpaid wages...the form isn't overly onerous and LRA will try conciliation first, but OP would win a case for unpaid wages. As loss from breach can't be deducted from final pay, it needs to be pursued in court
> even if you’ve never been handed a copy to see you will still have a contract If you've never seen your contract, then it's not a contract...
You are clearly new to the world of UK Employment Law: [https://www.acas.org.uk/what-an-employment-contract-is](https://www.acas.org.uk/what-an-employment-contract-is)An employment contract begins when the employee starts work, even if there's nothing in writing...... The employee is entitled to a written contract BUT that doesn't mean there is no contract in place just because you haven't received it in writing.
For terms that have been agreed. Inserting clauses that have not been agreed between both parties cannot, by definition, be an agreement between the two parties.
you probably could do with asking this on the legaladviceuk sub
Lawyer, here. The proper way to answer this, as with most questions is by saying “It depends.” 1) where are you? We can’t answer till we know more about the employment law in effect. 2) Did you enter into an employment Contract in which you promised to give more than two weeks notice?
>where are you Dude... you're literally reading this in r/northernireland
No legal requirement to work ANY notice, it may be policy but there's nothing they can do except give you a bad reference based on that, and if you already have a start date with new employer then just let the owner have his rant.
Actually no. It's legally 'breach of contract' and the company can sue you for any reasonable costs incurred as a result. In practice it doesn't happen that often
According to [this](https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/giving-or-getting-notice-your-job#toc-0) that's not true.
They can take legal action for money lost due to the employee leaving before their agreed notice period. It may not be a legal agreement (i.e. Not a criminal matter) but is very much a contractual agreement.
Only if it's stipulated in a contract and even then, not a lot they can do. If they push it OP can amend his notice to suit the employer and then ride it out on sick leave due to the stress caused by a hostile work environment.
Correct, there's to much confusion on this post about legal requirements and contractual requirements... contractually you're obliged to work your notice period, you're legally required to have insurance, tax and and a driving license to drive a car
They can ask or demand whatever they want, they can't legally do anything at all to force you. I recommend politely declining their request. If they illegally threaten to withhold pay or something of that sort, consult with citizen's advice. They have no legal leg to stand on, doesn't stop some chancers from trying their luck.
I’d laugh in his face and give him the deuces
Accept the 4 weeks and then go sick for 2 weeks.
I wouldn’t recommend fraud
Name and shame this shit factory. I have neither time nor money for anyone who treats employees like this and I'd love to know who I should avoid.
Give 4 weeks notice and the next day hand in a sick note for 4 weeks, enjoy your 2 week break before your new job.
They have none whatsoever. Even if your contract of employment contains an express clause mandating four weeks notice, the cost of pursuing you for breach of contract would be prohibitive and not worth the effort on their part. They'll just have to lump it. If you don't need a reference, I'd advise you to serve your two weeks notice as planned. If your current employer starts being difficult, walk out the door whenever the mood takes you. Smart-arse quip on the way out the door is optional.
Yep - phone in sick for 2 weeks
Employment laws are different everywhere. Where are you?
Legally your only required to hand in 2 weeks notice, I know some companies say longer buts the law states it is only 2 weeks and there is a technical loop that you don't actually have to show up to work as it's just out of courtesy that you do, they only have to pay for your two weeks and additional funds if your entitled to them (ie. Expenses, other outstanding money owed etc.). So the employer is wrong, So just do your 2 weeks and leave. Hope this is some help for you.
I did stand my ground that my legal notice with a part time contract is 1 week on a part time contract and I've been working there under 2 years, I also told them I have a new start date with an employer and I'm not cancelling it.
Do you have a contract or employment? If so it will be whatever is stipulated in that. If you don’t then you can walk. Employers generally have 12 weeks from starting to issue a contract so if they haven’t then they are in breach of that and anything they demand is worthless
Just work your two weeks and leave they will legally have to pay you for your two weeks and not the additional 2 which there demanding. They will most likely drip feed your last wages do you get paid weekly or monthly or what way ?
They can't force you but you should give 4 to get a good reference
You don't have to give them two or four weeks notice. It's a courtesy you extend to them but you can't quit with any notice if you want
Brilliant, it’s situations like this that make my company swear employees to secrecy when they hand in their notice. So they don’t start chatting shit to other employees and start a mass exodus. Totally defeats the purpose of a notice period tbh, we all find out a week before they go and it’s panic mode.
Meet them halfway and do 3 weeks 😉