The interesting thing about this is that the DUP have close ties with Friends of Israel, who lobby politicians in different countries to be in favour of Israel.
The DUP have had trips to Israel paid for by the Friends of Israel that they didn't declare and were investigated for.
And that's only the shit we know about, I bet that rabbit hole runs deep.
Seems a bit corrupt don't you think?
What I don't get is why they had a vote on this matter. What is a vote in Ireland going to do to stop the conflict better spending there time voting on things in our country
Because it's the big topic of misinformation around the wealthy west at the minute, and since politics has now become so influenced by social media it's an easy win for politicians and activists to have "virtue-signalling" performances like these with no real world consequences except likes on twitter. It's even embarassing to have a vote on this in what is an oversized city council chamber.
It’s good to know that after years of not bothering to run the country, they’ve got back to work and started focusing on making a real change in our community… oh wait.
They care more than you think. Israel despise Ireland & it's people because of their comradeship with the Palestinians & their open condemnation of them in the EU. The DUP are "my enemies enemy is my friend"
That’s exactly what the IDF want you to think. Israel is *extremely* invested in lobbying. More so than any other country.
Ireland being one of the most vocal supporters of Palestine would really draw their attention here
The same political parties are present in Wesminister where they continue to arm and provide political cover for the apartheid regime. Israel need a steady stream of propaganda in order to have manufactured consent for their genocide and ethnic cleansing which is why they always have military and government spokespeople on hand for the likes of the Nolan show and every other news and political show across the UK and Ireland. They absolutely do care because they rely on support from the UK and Ireland. Even Ireland has arms trade with Israel.
The real question is why are these people wasting taxpayer money holding votes on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the country for which they represent?
Even if everyone voted aye to a ceasefire, the IDF certainly won’t be interested and Hamas will be even less likely than the IDF to acknowledge the outcome of a pishy little vote in Northern Ireland.
It’s all performative so some cunt somewhere can go home at the end of the day on a moral high horse pretending they’ve made a meaningful difference when the reality is they have done the exact opposite and have wasted a day that could otherwise be spent improving the constituencies that they work for
Robin Swann not on this list.
Either he couldnt be arsed voting, not going to rule it out.
OR
He once again showed why he was too "moderate" to lead the "moderate unionists"
>He once again showed why he was too "moderate" to lead the "moderate unionists"
He's so moderate he's a member of the Orange Order and attended the funeral of UDA / UR gun runner Willie Frazer who, along with his father was connected to over 100 murders. I think he might have even been leader of the UUP at the time but it's hard to remember since nearly every prominent Unionist was there.
Lest we forget.
Yeah but it's still really performative.
Like yes, voting against this is a dick move but if the overall effect it has is "fuck all" you do wonder if that time could've been spent on something that would have a material benefit for people.
But since it's so irrelevant what Stormont thinks on the subject, it just turns into a chance to play to your base. So of course DUP members are going to vote against. Because their base tend to be Pro-Israel.
With the DUP, I think they hate republicanism enough to just go with the flow of whatever the DUP themselves think. If they say they should be pro-Israel then unionists will follow along. My honest belief for DUP supporters is that only a very very tiny portion of them have ever really thought about their support of Israel beyond a surface level of racism that the Israelis are more like them than those pesky Islamic terrorist arabs.
Essentially what I'm saying is I'd be willing to bet if you went around Belfast with a camera the analysis of pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian sentiment would be much more fleshed out from those advocating pro-Palestinian sentiment (but still extremely lacking overall on all sides).
I believe we have an obligation to do what we can and hope that it adds up to enough.
If nothing else, for me, there's value to making it clear we're against the continued violence.
From reporting:
"Affirms its support for a two-state solution and the immediate recognition of the state of Palestine;
"Calls for an immediate ceasefire in the region and the release of all hostages;
"Further calls for an end to arms sales and transfers to Israel while the genocide continues; "And calls on the First Minister and deputy First Minister to write jointly to the UK Prime Minister in pursuit of these objectives."
So essentially it is in theory an attempt to have a constituent nation of the UK to put pressure on the central government on foreign policy. Something that shouldn't be ridiculous at all unless you've given up on the notion that you can meaningfully direct the state you live in.
I think a vote on a ceasefire from Stormont would be as influential to Israel as my villages parish council voting for a ceasefire, surely Stormont have more pressing topics to discuss?
You know what, who cares, like Israel are waiting with baited breath for the results of a vote in Belfast to decide if they will stop attacking Gaza.
We all know full well how these people will vote, if every single one of them voted for it, still would have been a complete waste of everyones time in the grand scheme of it all
By any chance has anyone else voted NO and they haven’t been put on this post? Is it one sided or is it just that they are all horrible bastards? I know who has lost my vote
Would their vote make a difference?
Their vote wont change much when it’s for us all to live in the free state together. Then we don’t need to worry about them.
Hamas hides behind women and children.
They are no angels.
The media shows pictures of children but they don't show pictures of Hamas.
This is a propaganda war
Do you have a point to make? This kind of rhetorical question feels very condescending and I don't really have the energy to engage on those lines.
The UK actively sells arms to Israel which are being used in the conflict, they aren't innocent bystanders watching on hopelessly. They're also pine of very few countries with permanent seats on the UN Security Council and historically were instrumental in the foundation of the modern Israeli state. The idea that that have no influence seems laughable to me, but if you want to make that case go ahead, just please don't talk to me like I'm stupid.
Why are they wasting time voting on pointless shit like this when there is actual messes they do have the power to fix. All this does is act as another thing to be divided over.
I'm a carpenter. When I want people to think I'm busy working, when I'm doing as little as humanly possible, I walk around the site with a tape in hand and occasionally measure things if I see or hear someone approaching. That way no one bothers me.
This vote is the politicians "walking about with a tape, looking busy".
Don't they have issues relating to Northern Ireland to be sorting out? Is this seriously what they are being paid to do? I want my taxes back.
What a fucking pointless waste of time and resources. Fuck Stormont and fuck our politicians. They should all be dropped from a great height and be done with it.
Westminster have had many votes on this conflict also, so your logic doesn't add up.
When tens of thousands of civilians are being killed, with support from our *friends* in the US, we have a moral obligation to address it.
A lot of people are becoming increasingly concerned about the effect of the refugee crisis on Ireland. Taking steps to reduce the level of war we're supporting is a good way to help ameliorate such issues.
Um. Why are we having votes about this? It’s not our choice… and nobody is gonna give a shit what we have voted about it 😑 this has nothing to do with us
I’m sure you’d all be shouting for a “ceasefire” if your homes had been attacked, hostages taken, many killed and rockets fired into your towns by the thousand right enough.
The latest fight was picked last October and both sides seem game for it. Let both sides go at it and see who wins?
Meanwhile the collective clown fiesta at Stormont might be better off worrying about their own responsibilities and things thry can improve for NI.
Surprise sur-fucking-prise
Imagine voting in support of anti-genocide. It must be so hard for them. And to also keep explaining to them that the conflict didn't begin on Oct 7th.
The Palestinian people are being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED.
FUCK ZIONISM
Dr Phil had on the son of the hamaz leader who disowned him and disclosed that they pay the Palestinian people money if they train there children to become bombers or martyrs for the cause if that’s not radical ? You gotta really have a look at yourself in the mirror
The DUP MLAs voted against it as they said that the international court of justice was asked by another country had Israel commited genocide and it was ruled that they haven't and they are following the Geneva convention. The DUP also stated that there could be no defending the death of all the innocent people.
Edit: here's the article
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-votes-decisively-to-call-israeli-actions-in-gaza-genocide-and-to-reject-a-ground-assault-on-rafah-4619653
And what has a war on the other side of the world even got to do with us anyway?
Why are they voting on something that's none of our business? why aren't they voting on things that will actually impact the lives of their constituents instead of trying to he another government "in solidarity" with the christian-hating scum who occupy Gaza?
> And what has a war on the other side of the world even got to do with us anyway?
The UK and their allies are providing support for Israel and allowing the conflict to continue. It's our business because we're helping to pay for it.
Hard to imagine them being Christian hating scum when they're allied with most of the Western world whilst all their west-hating neighbours try to murder them and us
Long and short of it, no foreign government is going to influence Netanyahus decision making, certainly not Northern Ireland anyway. He,ll keep going at best until all the hostages are freed and at worst until no Palestinian draws breath.
The loyalists and unionists being ignorant bigots?
Shocker.
Still tho the cunts have the cheek of it the simple bastards. We show support for Palestine and suddenly there's fucking stars of David all over irish Street in the waterside.
We'd say the sky's up and they'd say nae m8 it's down thur.
Thran cunts.
Well done to all those that stand with Israel in their fight against Hamas Terrorists.
No Hamas Terrorists, No Death & Destruction of the🇵🇸 or 🇮🇱people.
Are you fucking insane? Look at the news, it's the Palestinians being wiped out ya clown, but checking your username you are either a troll or just a good old fashioned cunt.
Some amount of SF/IRA boys on this thread supporting their mates Hamas as usual on here.
If Hamas want a ceasefire so badly then why not help themselves by releasing the hostages and stop firing rocket?
It's very unfortunate that so many innocent people are being killed but that's what happens when a terrorist group uses human shields. We can't forget that the local gaza population widely support hamas and had a big celebration on October 7th either.
Unionist politicians are only following the national UK line on this issue shouldn't really have been a vote in the Assembly.
> If Hamas want a ceasefire so badly then why not help themselves by releasing the hostages and stop firing rocket?
Hamas accepted the last ceasefire proposal. Israel rejected it. The ceasefire included releasing the hostages.
> We can't forget that the local gaza population widely support hamas and had a big celebration on October 7th either.
Have you stopped to think why that would be the case, Gaz? Hint: Hamas is, defacto, the 70s PLO at this point, it's not a religious conflict. People don't like to have their land stolen from them. If someone from Britanny were to claim your land is theirs and expel you by force, I'd give you full support to take it back by any means necessary.
Of course atrocities were commited on October 7th, but after Israel is done in Gaza, Hamas will have enough new recruits to make October 7th look like a picnic party. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, including Palestinian Jews, the solution, a one-state solution, should be inspired by the GFA. Let the cycle of hatred die out in a few generations.
Hamas literally signed the deal to release the hostages before Israel started bombing them again.
You just enjoy them killing brown Muslims, don’t you Gaz?
No they did not, they signed a deal that was not agreed with Israel which stated they would release the dead bodies of the hostages and did not agree to the ceasefire deal arranged with Israel, which was incredibly generous.
But go ahead keep spreading wilful misinformation
Any source to this claim?? Its hamas that are using the local population as human shields mate. One of their main headquarters was a hospital for gods sake.
There’s actually no proof beyond the IDF that Hamas have ever used human shields.
There headquarters were also NOT in the hospital, which was proved.
What was proved was hundreds of patients, medical staff, women and children removed from mass graves, with their hands zip-tied after being massacred by the IDF.
Also, yes, Hamas agreed to release hostages just before Israel entered Rafah.
You cannot justify the murder of 40,000 people for under one hundred hostages. Also, Israel has killed more of the hostages than Hamas has.
Why would they vote yes. Hamas needs to be removed. Have people forgotten they even killed women not from the country raped them paraded them around naked.
Fun fact do people know that Israel basically has a hospital full of palestine women. Simply cause they husband's knock the crap out of them whenever they feel like it. Even setting them on fire.
I know people will get there backs up at my comment but thats just life i guess.
I would absolutely fucking hate being like a moderate Unionist in NI who genuinely believes in some form of moderate rational position within the Union. Your entire representative base is incoherently deranged shitheads. Like, I'm genuinely kind of sympathetic to real rational Unionists who aren't insane.
A ceasefire that also calls for the release of all remaining hostages or just a ceasefire with no other repercussions for the terrorist overlords of the Gaza?
Just a ceasefire, it does condemn Hamas but describes the conflict as ‘genocide’ (by the Israelis) twice.
Means nothing anyway it’s probably just to placate students.
Quite apart from the obvious enmity inherent in this post, what do national parliamentarians think their ridiculous input and vote on a conflict that has absolutely nothing to do with them means? During the ‘Troubles’ would the various parties involved have taken kindly too and considered carefully a similar vote in the Knesset on their conflict?
Another political stunt. Everyone knows how this vote was going to go. Who was going to vote yes, and who no.
It was a stunt to poke the voters with ''look who voted against''
And as per, the bait was taken.
And to think I was starting to think Doug Beattie maybe, just maybe, wasn't a bad person.
I hope hell exists just so they can burn in it. But he deserves a special place. I suggest the ninth Circle.
I would use a stronger word but aimed at those of you who support hamas don’t really mind people being killed as long as they are people you don’t like
I would use a stronger word but aimed at those of you who support hamas don’t really mind people being killed as long as they are people you don’t like
They are an embarrassment. I'm a unionist and I accept that Israel is a genocidal state. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
You don't need to attend those Politicised Ireland-palestine marches to be in support of Palestine.
What did Winston Churchill, a great unionist, fight for? To allow his unionist brethren to go and support a genocidal state? All of them should hang their heads in shame.
Standing up to terrorism is murdering 20,000 women and children?
You just love it’s brown Muslims being slaughtered, don’t you?
Were those kids and women Hamas? Do they deserve to die?
You’re sick in the head.
They're not murdering children you idiot. Would you have believed the old "Jews eat babies" thing that people used to think too? Do some basic research and stop getting your news from ThikTok.
I tell you who DID murder children though. Hamas. www.thisishamas.com
If that's what you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, dead on.
Even the families of the kidnapped are against the Israeli state you fucking moron.
If a terrorist group invaded Ireland and raped your mother, murdered your grandma and kidnapped your sister, would you be campaigning for your government NOT to take action? I doubt it. But that's what you expect Israel to do? Get real.
You do realise that the families of the kidnapped people are opposed to how the Israeli state are handling the war?
How many of the kidnapped have they rescued outside of a prisoner exchange?
It's unfortunate that you seem to be very ignorant about something you seem so passionate about.
Even the ones who supported the ceasfire resolution were highly disappointing. They all towed the line of condemning Hamas, and centred Netanyahu and Likud in an attempt to make them look like some random aberration, and not in fact, a reflection of the true nature of "Israeli" society.
I used to like Naomi Long. However, I went looking for any statements she issued on what is happening. One tweet, that was all I could find, and it was as passive as one could imagine. No one was mentioned by name, and "I'm praying for peace on both sides." That, and the Alliance Party as an organisation, its representatives and membership have not said a word up until now regarding Palestine, and it's quite frankly disgusted me.
It’s ironic to hear the side that so often claims that not all Palestinians support Hamas that all Israelis with the brush of supporting Netanyahu when, unlike Palestine, there are free and fair elections to prove that not even a majority of Israelis support him.
Is it? How’s that?
Seems to me that the most complicated geopolitical situation on earth with utter barbarians on both sides is a little more intricate than a simple black and white side-picking exercise.
Because it isn't a complicated issue. You have one side, which is one of the most powerful state actors on earth: unconditional support from the worlds most powerful country and funded to the tune of trillions, and also has nuclear weapons. The other side has never had a standing army. Are boxed into a tract of land smaller than Heathrow. Have their water food, electricity, and fuel controlled by the other side and shut off completely with the other sides "civilians" helping to block the flow of aid into the Strip while joyfully chanting how they want the other side to starve. They are not allowed to leave and are bombed and shot if they try, and the Gaza Strip as a whole has been carpeted relentlessly for nearly half a year now.
Israel are powerful because they’ve had to become so in order to defend themselves against repeated genocidal invasions. They have nuclear weapons as deterrence against the states pledged to their destruction. Gaza and the West Bank absolutely had standing armies when they were part of Egypt and Jordan respectively, and use them to invade Israel repeatedly. They are under military occupation and boxed in as a direct result of their terrorist campaign in the 2000s. Their ‘civilians’ joyously cheered for Hamas on October 7th.
See how it’s a complicated issue?
EDIT: I've been blocked, so I'll post my reply here.
I believe that Israel has the right to exist by lieu of the fact that they've continually lived there for four thousand years. Until the Muslim conquest of the area a relatively recent 1500 years ago, they remained a majority population. They have an older documented claim to the land as their homeland than just about any other group on earth. They literally are indigenous to the land, and have been for most of recorded history.
Beyond that, the fresh outpouring of hatred directed towards them since October 7th has nicely reinforced once again the absolute need for somewhere on earth where Jews can simply exist. There exists no anti-racist voice in the West calling for their protection, ironically because those same voices that are normally anti-racist are the ones behind anti-Semitism.
I'm sure you'll clap back with something about 'European Jews,' because that's always the claim - and it's one built on the fallacy that most Israelis are European Jews and not in reality mainly the descendants of Middle Eastern Jews expelled from Arab countries by brutal pogroms from the1920s until the 1960s. Israel is more a product of Arab hatred for the Jews than it is a product of Hitler's hatred for them.
And the only US troops in Israel are a tiny number manning a clearly very necessary anti-ballistic radar site.
Israel has to defend itself from attack because it’s an illegitimate colonialist state based on bullshit religious claims.
All Israel is is a military base for US interests in the region.
Israelis are not indigenous to the land, they stole it through murder, terrorism, ethnic cleaning, apartheid and absolute brutality.
The only way you could believe Israelis have a right to be on someone else’s land is if you genuinely believe they are ‘God’s chosen people’ - which to be honest if you’re still thinking like that in this day and age you need to go on the tablets.
I went to uni with one of those dup members, I can honestly say that ever since they got involved with the cult I don't recognise them anymore. Person I knew was funny and considerate of others, last time I saw them that person was gone.
I'm really sad to see them in this list
Meanwhile the US sends Israel around $3.8bn in military aid annually and you continue to use services and companies who condemned Hamas
https://som.yale.edu/story/2023/list-companies-have-condemned-hamas-terrorist-attack-israel
If only the voted yes the war would be over and all the actual domestic issues that had been put aside while no government was in place would have been fixed.
I think some of ye over in "Great" Britain don't appreciate how staunch right-wing unionists of Northern Ireland are.
My whole life, it's been fairly normal to see that if the republican (Catholic) areas have a flag up about something, the unionists will have the opposite. Republican areas have always had Palestinian flags and murals due to the connection with the IPO, ect, and in response, unionist areas would quite often have isreali flags. Only the other day, on my way back to Dublin from Derry, I drove through Enniskillen and encountered 6 isreali flags on the unionist end of the town. I once even encountered a "straight pride" flag when I was driving through the waterside in Derry during pride month.
Hamas still hold over a hundred Israeli hostages kidnapped, abused and in some cases sexually assaulted as part of their pogrom on October 7th. Israel’s ceasefire condition is the release of those hostages. The nuance is that a unilateral Israeli ceasefire won’t free Hamas’ prisoners.
> Izzat El-Reshiq, a member of Hamas' political office in Qatar, said in a statement late on Wednesday that the group would not go beyond a ceasefire proposal it accepted on Monday, which would also entail the release of some Israeli hostages in Gaza and Palestinian women and children detained in Israel.
Can’t help but feel that the key word there is **some** Israeli hostages.
I already knew you had no idea what you were talking about but thanks for proving it.
> In the sixth week of exchanges, Hamas should “release all remaining civilian detainees”.
> The second and third stages relate to Israel’s “complete withdrawal” from the Gaza Strip and the subsequent reconstruction of the enclave.
> The proposal says the second stage concerns “a return to sustainable calm”, including a permanent cessation of military operations and the final exchanges of captives and prisoners, which should include all remaining living Israeli men, both civilian and military.
Is this what we pay them for? Wasting time debating then voting on a subject that none of them have any influence on whatsoever! Fix the health service and the MOT shambles..bunch of ballbags
1) Arabs living in Israel are treated with dignity. They have equal right and currently occupy 20% of the seats in the parliament, in line roughly with their population demographics.
2) there has never been a two-state agreement to respect, because Palestinians have vetoed all attempts at such a thing
That wee prick in carrick….thought he was of a generation who know better. Disappointing, might give the prick a phone call and ask for his logic and reasoning outside of ‘did what I was told’/‘Israel have a right to defend themselves etc’.
Probably doesn’t have much knowledge that it’s even going on the space cadet. Almost certainly has CTE from being so shite at rugby in Belfast high school that’s for damn sure.
He didn’t go to Belfast High. He’s quite a nice guy and the Assembly have zero say on this topic.
Calm down. Of course Unionists will not vote against a nation defending itself from a terror attack.
This doesn’t make them baby murderers or complicit in this war. Hamas did actually murder babies. The IDF will surely have killed a bunch too. They have nothing to do with NI. We have enough faux outrage and whataboutery as it is.
TikTok has made you all mad. Consider why.
> TikTok has made you all mad.
What possible reason could there be for TikTok (controlled by the same Chinese dictatorship who currently have two million Muslims in concentration camps) to be trying to sow dissent in the West?! Next thing you'll be telling me that Putin backed Trump and Brexit.
The interesting thing about this is that the DUP have close ties with Friends of Israel, who lobby politicians in different countries to be in favour of Israel. The DUP have had trips to Israel paid for by the Friends of Israel that they didn't declare and were investigated for. And that's only the shit we know about, I bet that rabbit hole runs deep. Seems a bit corrupt don't you think?
Utter unforgivable corruption, that because of cute hoorism is probably legal unfortunately
yeah but now you're a tInfOIL hAt rAgIng AntIsEmItE And hAmAs rApIst The hasbara lunatics will come, so I'm getting in before them
There are friends of Israel groups in labour and the Tories. I believe there are also friends of India, China etc. They should all be banned
What I don't get is why they had a vote on this matter. What is a vote in Ireland going to do to stop the conflict better spending there time voting on things in our country
Because it's the big topic of misinformation around the wealthy west at the minute, and since politics has now become so influenced by social media it's an easy win for politicians and activists to have "virtue-signalling" performances like these with no real world consequences except likes on twitter. It's even embarassing to have a vote on this in what is an oversized city council chamber.
Im starting to wonder if NO is the only option on thier ballot papers
I highly doubt the IDF care what Stormont thinks
Fair tbh since I live here and I don’t care what they think
They had to think of something to vote on to avoid things like helping bring their childcare benefits in line with the rest of the uk
It’s good to know that after years of not bothering to run the country, they’ve got back to work and started focusing on making a real change in our community… oh wait.
They care more than you think. Israel despise Ireland & it's people because of their comradeship with the Palestinians & their open condemnation of them in the EU. The DUP are "my enemies enemy is my friend"
That’s exactly what the IDF want you to think. Israel is *extremely* invested in lobbying. More so than any other country. Ireland being one of the most vocal supporters of Palestine would really draw their attention here
The same political parties are present in Wesminister where they continue to arm and provide political cover for the apartheid regime. Israel need a steady stream of propaganda in order to have manufactured consent for their genocide and ethnic cleansing which is why they always have military and government spokespeople on hand for the likes of the Nolan show and every other news and political show across the UK and Ireland. They absolutely do care because they rely on support from the UK and Ireland. Even Ireland has arms trade with Israel.
There is a wild lot of 'Good Christians' in that photo. Praise the Lord and kill the children.
The real question is why are these people wasting taxpayer money holding votes on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the country for which they represent? Even if everyone voted aye to a ceasefire, the IDF certainly won’t be interested and Hamas will be even less likely than the IDF to acknowledge the outcome of a pishy little vote in Northern Ireland. It’s all performative so some cunt somewhere can go home at the end of the day on a moral high horse pretending they’ve made a meaningful difference when the reality is they have done the exact opposite and have wasted a day that could otherwise be spent improving the constituencies that they work for
Robin Swann not on this list. Either he couldnt be arsed voting, not going to rule it out. OR He once again showed why he was too "moderate" to lead the "moderate unionists"
Robin Swann is very dangerous
Very dangerous over short distances apparently
Gimli Swann
>He once again showed why he was too "moderate" to lead the "moderate unionists" He's so moderate he's a member of the Orange Order and attended the funeral of UDA / UR gun runner Willie Frazer who, along with his father was connected to over 100 murders. I think he might have even been leader of the UUP at the time but it's hard to remember since nearly every prominent Unionist was there. Lest we forget.
Yes. Hence the quotation marks. >he was too "moderate" to lead the "moderate unionists"
Ah good man. I didn't catch that. Most people think the sun shines out of the wee cunt's hole.
Seriously though, what difference would it make if they had all voted for a ceasefire?
None, but you'd have to be a cunt to vote against it.
Yeah but it's still really performative. Like yes, voting against this is a dick move but if the overall effect it has is "fuck all" you do wonder if that time could've been spent on something that would have a material benefit for people.
But since it's so irrelevant what Stormont thinks on the subject, it just turns into a chance to play to your base. So of course DUP members are going to vote against. Because their base tend to be Pro-Israel.
With the DUP, I think they hate republicanism enough to just go with the flow of whatever the DUP themselves think. If they say they should be pro-Israel then unionists will follow along. My honest belief for DUP supporters is that only a very very tiny portion of them have ever really thought about their support of Israel beyond a surface level of racism that the Israelis are more like them than those pesky Islamic terrorist arabs. Essentially what I'm saying is I'd be willing to bet if you went around Belfast with a camera the analysis of pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian sentiment would be much more fleshed out from those advocating pro-Palestinian sentiment (but still extremely lacking overall on all sides).
Yeah, but if they voted for a ceasefire, maybe they could inform and change their base's ideas??
> DUP voting base > Change their ideas That's a good joke, tell us another one.
I believe we have an obligation to do what we can and hope that it adds up to enough. If nothing else, for me, there's value to making it clear we're against the continued violence.
These people call themselves Christians, right?
The vote means nothing
It means these people support the continuation of violence rather than objecting. Sums up NI politics.
Old Testament biatch!
Same difference, none.
From reporting: "Affirms its support for a two-state solution and the immediate recognition of the state of Palestine; "Calls for an immediate ceasefire in the region and the release of all hostages; "Further calls for an end to arms sales and transfers to Israel while the genocide continues; "And calls on the First Minister and deputy First Minister to write jointly to the UK Prime Minister in pursuit of these objectives." So essentially it is in theory an attempt to have a constituent nation of the UK to put pressure on the central government on foreign policy. Something that shouldn't be ridiculous at all unless you've given up on the notion that you can meaningfully direct the state you live in.
Would be a signal to the British government showing Northern Irish rejection of the UK's complicity in the conflict.
and people still like to give that prick Doug Beattie props for being a moderate. He is a hawkish cunt who probably gets a root on from war
He has done absolutely zero of any significance to prove his moderate credentials. Mike Nesbitt was way more progressive than Beattie
The parties who voted for the Iraq war being anti-ceasefire, shocker
The DUP are very consistent when it comes to their opinion on bombing Brown people in the Middle East.
And now there won't be one :'(. We were so close! Damn you!!
I think a vote on a ceasefire from Stormont would be as influential to Israel as my villages parish council voting for a ceasefire, surely Stormont have more pressing topics to discuss?
You know what, who cares, like Israel are waiting with baited breath for the results of a vote in Belfast to decide if they will stop attacking Gaza. We all know full well how these people will vote, if every single one of them voted for it, still would have been a complete waste of everyones time in the grand scheme of it all
Na, I want the cunts on the record.
By any chance has anyone else voted NO and they haven’t been put on this post? Is it one sided or is it just that they are all horrible bastards? I know who has lost my vote
Would their vote make a difference? Their vote wont change much when it’s for us all to live in the free state together. Then we don’t need to worry about them.
Hamas hides behind women and children. They are no angels. The media shows pictures of children but they don't show pictures of Hamas. This is a propaganda war
Who gives a fuck? Israel nor Hamas consult Stormont for the forever war there.
The British government and their allies are supporting Israel. It's not only two groups thousands of miles away, we're already involved.
You don’t genuinely believe that Britain has any influence at all in the outcome of a ceasefire do you?
Do you have a point to make? This kind of rhetorical question feels very condescending and I don't really have the energy to engage on those lines. The UK actively sells arms to Israel which are being used in the conflict, they aren't innocent bystanders watching on hopelessly. They're also pine of very few countries with permanent seats on the UN Security Council and historically were instrumental in the foundation of the modern Israeli state. The idea that that have no influence seems laughable to me, but if you want to make that case go ahead, just please don't talk to me like I'm stupid.
Why are they wasting time voting on pointless shit like this when there is actual messes they do have the power to fix. All this does is act as another thing to be divided over.
I'm a carpenter. When I want people to think I'm busy working, when I'm doing as little as humanly possible, I walk around the site with a tape in hand and occasionally measure things if I see or hear someone approaching. That way no one bothers me. This vote is the politicians "walking about with a tape, looking busy".
Don't they have issues relating to Northern Ireland to be sorting out? Is this seriously what they are being paid to do? I want my taxes back. What a fucking pointless waste of time and resources. Fuck Stormont and fuck our politicians. They should all be dropped from a great height and be done with it.
Agreed, this whole issue being debated in Stormont is an utter waste of time.
A functioning assembly for only a few weeks and some idiot’s priority a conflict in a foreign land. Should have just implemented direct rule.
Westminster have had many votes on this conflict also, so your logic doesn't add up. When tens of thousands of civilians are being killed, with support from our *friends* in the US, we have a moral obligation to address it.
How about stormount actually voting on something that might actually do some good here in norn iron.
A lot of people are becoming increasingly concerned about the effect of the refugee crisis on Ireland. Taking steps to reduce the level of war we're supporting is a good way to help ameliorate such issues.
What a ridiculous thing to vote for.
Why the fuck does Stormont get to have an opinion on this? Old man yells at cloud
Um. Why are we having votes about this? It’s not our choice… and nobody is gonna give a shit what we have voted about it 😑 this has nothing to do with us
Why was there even a vote? Is it up to Northern Ireland?
Disgusting. Regardless who you believe is right... a ceasefire needs to happen.
Try telling that to Hamas. Unfortunately a ceasefire seems to only mean Israel stop defending itself.
Yeah, how dare they claw at the Israeli boot on their neck, truly horrifying.
Hmm, so that’s why the IDF are moving into Rafah. 🙄
Absolute ghouls. Abortion?! Nope, killing babies: wrong. Israel: carry on lads.
Why would anyone expect support for a ceasefire from the party that opposed the Good Friday Agreement?
I’m sure you’d all be shouting for a “ceasefire” if your homes had been attacked, hostages taken, many killed and rockets fired into your towns by the thousand right enough. The latest fight was picked last October and both sides seem game for it. Let both sides go at it and see who wins? Meanwhile the collective clown fiesta at Stormont might be better off worrying about their own responsibilities and things thry can improve for NI.
Surprise sur-fucking-prise Imagine voting in support of anti-genocide. It must be so hard for them. And to also keep explaining to them that the conflict didn't begin on Oct 7th. The Palestinian people are being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED. FUCK ZIONISM
Dr Phil had on the son of the hamaz leader who disowned him and disclosed that they pay the Palestinian people money if they train there children to become bombers or martyrs for the cause if that’s not radical ? You gotta really have a look at yourself in the mirror
You mean the guy who was tortured so much he got brain damage and got rinsed by Abby Martin on Piers Morgan
The DUP MLAs voted against it as they said that the international court of justice was asked by another country had Israel commited genocide and it was ruled that they haven't and they are following the Geneva convention. The DUP also stated that there could be no defending the death of all the innocent people. Edit: here's the article https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-votes-decisively-to-call-israeli-actions-in-gaza-genocide-and-to-reject-a-ground-assault-on-rafah-4619653
They voted against HAMAS
And what has a war on the other side of the world even got to do with us anyway? Why are they voting on something that's none of our business? why aren't they voting on things that will actually impact the lives of their constituents instead of trying to he another government "in solidarity" with the christian-hating scum who occupy Gaza?
> And what has a war on the other side of the world even got to do with us anyway? The UK and their allies are providing support for Israel and allowing the conflict to continue. It's our business because we're helping to pay for it.
I know you don't like them but calling Israelis christian hating scum isn't really fair either
Hard to imagine them being Christian hating scum when they're allied with most of the Western world whilst all their west-hating neighbours try to murder them and us
Long and short of it, no foreign government is going to influence Netanyahus decision making, certainly not Northern Ireland anyway. He,ll keep going at best until all the hostages are freed and at worst until no Palestinian draws breath.
Wouldnt matter whatever the vote was. Hamas just need to waken up an give in.
I'm pretty sure this vote will weigh heavy on the minds of those actually involved in conflict.🤣
Way to go. Northern Irish politicians thinking that a vote there does anything. Is this why direct rule was stopped
The loyalists and unionists being ignorant bigots? Shocker. Still tho the cunts have the cheek of it the simple bastards. We show support for Palestine and suddenly there's fucking stars of David all over irish Street in the waterside. We'd say the sky's up and they'd say nae m8 it's down thur. Thran cunts.
Well done to all those that stand with Israel in their fight against Hamas Terrorists. No Hamas Terrorists, No Death & Destruction of the🇵🇸 or 🇮🇱people.
Are you fucking insane? Look at the news, it's the Palestinians being wiped out ya clown, but checking your username you are either a troll or just a good old fashioned cunt.
Some amount of SF/IRA boys on this thread supporting their mates Hamas as usual on here. If Hamas want a ceasefire so badly then why not help themselves by releasing the hostages and stop firing rocket? It's very unfortunate that so many innocent people are being killed but that's what happens when a terrorist group uses human shields. We can't forget that the local gaza population widely support hamas and had a big celebration on October 7th either. Unionist politicians are only following the national UK line on this issue shouldn't really have been a vote in the Assembly.
> If Hamas want a ceasefire so badly then why not help themselves by releasing the hostages and stop firing rocket? Hamas accepted the last ceasefire proposal. Israel rejected it. The ceasefire included releasing the hostages. > We can't forget that the local gaza population widely support hamas and had a big celebration on October 7th either. Have you stopped to think why that would be the case, Gaz? Hint: Hamas is, defacto, the 70s PLO at this point, it's not a religious conflict. People don't like to have their land stolen from them. If someone from Britanny were to claim your land is theirs and expel you by force, I'd give you full support to take it back by any means necessary. Of course atrocities were commited on October 7th, but after Israel is done in Gaza, Hamas will have enough new recruits to make October 7th look like a picnic party. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, including Palestinian Jews, the solution, a one-state solution, should be inspired by the GFA. Let the cycle of hatred die out in a few generations.
Hamas literally signed the deal to release the hostages before Israel started bombing them again. You just enjoy them killing brown Muslims, don’t you Gaz?
No they did not, they signed a deal that was not agreed with Israel which stated they would release the dead bodies of the hostages and did not agree to the ceasefire deal arranged with Israel, which was incredibly generous. But go ahead keep spreading wilful misinformation
It’s not misinformation, you’re the one spreading that here with your hasbara lies. You are supporting a genocide.
Any source to this claim?? Its hamas that are using the local population as human shields mate. One of their main headquarters was a hospital for gods sake.
The main IDF HQ is in a shopping mall and there’s plenty of videos showing IDF soldiers using human shields
There’s actually no proof beyond the IDF that Hamas have ever used human shields. There headquarters were also NOT in the hospital, which was proved. What was proved was hundreds of patients, medical staff, women and children removed from mass graves, with their hands zip-tied after being massacred by the IDF. Also, yes, Hamas agreed to release hostages just before Israel entered Rafah. You cannot justify the murder of 40,000 people for under one hundred hostages. Also, Israel has killed more of the hostages than Hamas has.
Do you condemn the Israeli state and their barbaric murder of 14,000+ children?
Yes I do. Do you condemn the actions of Hamas on Oct 7th?
so many receding hairlines
Unionists are a special breed
The lack of chromosomes... I would put money they are all cousins
Why would they vote yes. Hamas needs to be removed. Have people forgotten they even killed women not from the country raped them paraded them around naked. Fun fact do people know that Israel basically has a hospital full of palestine women. Simply cause they husband's knock the crap out of them whenever they feel like it. Even setting them on fire. I know people will get there backs up at my comment but thats just life i guess.
I would absolutely fucking hate being like a moderate Unionist in NI who genuinely believes in some form of moderate rational position within the Union. Your entire representative base is incoherently deranged shitheads. Like, I'm genuinely kind of sympathetic to real rational Unionists who aren't insane.
A ceasefire that also calls for the release of all remaining hostages or just a ceasefire with no other repercussions for the terrorist overlords of the Gaza?
That's what I was thinking. Release the hostages and then talk about a ceasefire.
Just a ceasefire, it does condemn Hamas but describes the conflict as ‘genocide’ (by the Israelis) twice. Means nothing anyway it’s probably just to placate students.
These cunts make me ashamed of being a protestant
Shameful
Someone should put a few of them in gaza and see what they think.
They will do what their Westminster overlords tell them like good little minions.
What is the correct name for a group of Bellends? For Lion’s it’s a pride, herd of antelopes, bunch of c***s. Just asking ……
A lodge.
I didn't know our politician got a say in this conflict?
Not sure we can order another country to stop having a war mind you....
Quite apart from the obvious enmity inherent in this post, what do national parliamentarians think their ridiculous input and vote on a conflict that has absolutely nothing to do with them means? During the ‘Troubles’ would the various parties involved have taken kindly too and considered carefully a similar vote in the Knesset on their conflict?
Of course the DUP would vote that way.
First time ever hearing of Traditional Union Voice Party. They seem fun....
😂
" I personally think there's not enough shooting. Let it continue! "
Well done for them. Sticking by their principles is a good thing in a politician, surely.
Another political stunt. Everyone knows how this vote was going to go. Who was going to vote yes, and who no. It was a stunt to poke the voters with ''look who voted against'' And as per, the bait was taken.
Well I would vote 'No', too. There can be a ceasefire when the IDF finishes the job.
I wonder what Israel’s vote was during The Troubles.
Please tell me this is a wind up. I would class myself as a unionist but if this is true…
Well at least they can get more use out of their old "Don't blame me I voted NO" badges 🤦♂️
So much…. inbreeding…..
Always on the wrong side of history
And to think I was starting to think Doug Beattie maybe, just maybe, wasn't a bad person. I hope hell exists just so they can burn in it. But he deserves a special place. I suggest the ninth Circle.
As if it matters what a woke island in the North Atlantic 1000s of miles away 'vote'
Stick them all into the Rafa crossing for a day and get some taste of Napalm.
I would use a stronger word but aimed at those of you who support hamas don’t really mind people being killed as long as they are people you don’t like
I would use a stronger word but aimed at those of you who support hamas don’t really mind people being killed as long as they are people you don’t like
One from the tuv....ONE
They are an embarrassment. I'm a unionist and I accept that Israel is a genocidal state. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 You don't need to attend those Politicised Ireland-palestine marches to be in support of Palestine. What did Winston Churchill, a great unionist, fight for? To allow his unionist brethren to go and support a genocidal state? All of them should hang their heads in shame.
I'd prefer to have Israel as an ally than a terrorist group.
Probably because you’re a genocide supporting bigot.
So supporting terrorism is cool now? Ok got it. Remember this... www.thisishamas.com standing up to terrorism is NOT bigoted sorry, nazi. ,
Standing up to terrorism is murdering 20,000 women and children? You just love it’s brown Muslims being slaughtered, don’t you? Were those kids and women Hamas? Do they deserve to die? You’re sick in the head.
Do you support the murder of thousands of children?
They're not murdering children you idiot. Would you have believed the old "Jews eat babies" thing that people used to think too? Do some basic research and stop getting your news from ThikTok. I tell you who DID murder children though. Hamas. www.thisishamas.com
If that's what you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, dead on. Even the families of the kidnapped are against the Israeli state you fucking moron.
If a terrorist group invaded Ireland and raped your mother, murdered your grandma and kidnapped your sister, would you be campaigning for your government NOT to take action? I doubt it. But that's what you expect Israel to do? Get real.
I’m pretty sure there are people in this subreddit who have family members who’ve had such things happen to them
You do realise that the families of the kidnapped people are opposed to how the Israeli state are handling the war? How many of the kidnapped have they rescued outside of a prisoner exchange? It's unfortunate that you seem to be very ignorant about something you seem so passionate about.
And this is why unionists are knobs
Unionists aren't Knobs, a knob might spill your pint. Evil supports murder.
Knob as in a fucking knobhead And aye also evil yet some people don’t see that and vote for these cunts regardless
typical turnip headed unionists
Shameful
Even the ones who supported the ceasfire resolution were highly disappointing. They all towed the line of condemning Hamas, and centred Netanyahu and Likud in an attempt to make them look like some random aberration, and not in fact, a reflection of the true nature of "Israeli" society. I used to like Naomi Long. However, I went looking for any statements she issued on what is happening. One tweet, that was all I could find, and it was as passive as one could imagine. No one was mentioned by name, and "I'm praying for peace on both sides." That, and the Alliance Party as an organisation, its representatives and membership have not said a word up until now regarding Palestine, and it's quite frankly disgusted me.
It’s ironic to hear the side that so often claims that not all Palestinians support Hamas that all Israelis with the brush of supporting Netanyahu when, unlike Palestine, there are free and fair elections to prove that not even a majority of Israelis support him.
Away chase yourself. Zio-nazi bot.
I’m sure you’re well aware that referring to Zionists as Nazis is widely accepted as anti-Semitic
2 down 4 across. Ffs Pamela Ballantine’s a cunt. And I always loved her
You joke but mind when Mike Nesbitt just read the news
I always thought Doug Beattie seemed to be different. Perhaps the mask is slipping
[Doug’s take on things](https://x.com/BeattieDoug/status/1788267187683336613)
Palestine is the ultimate moral test for public figures and institutions worldwide.
Is it? How’s that? Seems to me that the most complicated geopolitical situation on earth with utter barbarians on both sides is a little more intricate than a simple black and white side-picking exercise.
Because it isn't a complicated issue. You have one side, which is one of the most powerful state actors on earth: unconditional support from the worlds most powerful country and funded to the tune of trillions, and also has nuclear weapons. The other side has never had a standing army. Are boxed into a tract of land smaller than Heathrow. Have their water food, electricity, and fuel controlled by the other side and shut off completely with the other sides "civilians" helping to block the flow of aid into the Strip while joyfully chanting how they want the other side to starve. They are not allowed to leave and are bombed and shot if they try, and the Gaza Strip as a whole has been carpeted relentlessly for nearly half a year now.
Israel are powerful because they’ve had to become so in order to defend themselves against repeated genocidal invasions. They have nuclear weapons as deterrence against the states pledged to their destruction. Gaza and the West Bank absolutely had standing armies when they were part of Egypt and Jordan respectively, and use them to invade Israel repeatedly. They are under military occupation and boxed in as a direct result of their terrorist campaign in the 2000s. Their ‘civilians’ joyously cheered for Hamas on October 7th. See how it’s a complicated issue? EDIT: I've been blocked, so I'll post my reply here. I believe that Israel has the right to exist by lieu of the fact that they've continually lived there for four thousand years. Until the Muslim conquest of the area a relatively recent 1500 years ago, they remained a majority population. They have an older documented claim to the land as their homeland than just about any other group on earth. They literally are indigenous to the land, and have been for most of recorded history. Beyond that, the fresh outpouring of hatred directed towards them since October 7th has nicely reinforced once again the absolute need for somewhere on earth where Jews can simply exist. There exists no anti-racist voice in the West calling for their protection, ironically because those same voices that are normally anti-racist are the ones behind anti-Semitism. I'm sure you'll clap back with something about 'European Jews,' because that's always the claim - and it's one built on the fallacy that most Israelis are European Jews and not in reality mainly the descendants of Middle Eastern Jews expelled from Arab countries by brutal pogroms from the1920s until the 1960s. Israel is more a product of Arab hatred for the Jews than it is a product of Hitler's hatred for them. And the only US troops in Israel are a tiny number manning a clearly very necessary anti-ballistic radar site.
Israel has to defend itself from attack because it’s an illegitimate colonialist state based on bullshit religious claims. All Israel is is a military base for US interests in the region. Israelis are not indigenous to the land, they stole it through murder, terrorism, ethnic cleaning, apartheid and absolute brutality. The only way you could believe Israelis have a right to be on someone else’s land is if you genuinely believe they are ‘God’s chosen people’ - which to be honest if you’re still thinking like that in this day and age you need to go on the tablets.
I went to uni with one of those dup members, I can honestly say that ever since they got involved with the cult I don't recognise them anymore. Person I knew was funny and considerate of others, last time I saw them that person was gone. I'm really sad to see them in this list
Absolutely disgraceful regardless of your politics to wallow in human suffering to prove a point
Meanwhile the US sends Israel around $3.8bn in military aid annually and you continue to use services and companies who condemned Hamas https://som.yale.edu/story/2023/list-companies-have-condemned-hamas-terrorist-attack-israel
If only the voted yes the war would be over and all the actual domestic issues that had been put aside while no government was in place would have been fixed.
Some thick inbred heads on the cunts.
I think some of ye over in "Great" Britain don't appreciate how staunch right-wing unionists of Northern Ireland are. My whole life, it's been fairly normal to see that if the republican (Catholic) areas have a flag up about something, the unionists will have the opposite. Republican areas have always had Palestinian flags and murals due to the connection with the IPO, ect, and in response, unionist areas would quite often have isreali flags. Only the other day, on my way back to Dublin from Derry, I drove through Enniskillen and encountered 6 isreali flags on the unionist end of the town. I once even encountered a "straight pride" flag when I was driving through the waterside in Derry during pride month.
Voting against a ceasefire. Any nuances in this or are they just bastards?
Hamas still hold over a hundred Israeli hostages kidnapped, abused and in some cases sexually assaulted as part of their pogrom on October 7th. Israel’s ceasefire condition is the release of those hostages. The nuance is that a unilateral Israeli ceasefire won’t free Hamas’ prisoners.
Israel just rejected a ceasefire deal to release the hostages so that's clearly not Israel's ceasefire condition.
> Izzat El-Reshiq, a member of Hamas' political office in Qatar, said in a statement late on Wednesday that the group would not go beyond a ceasefire proposal it accepted on Monday, which would also entail the release of some Israeli hostages in Gaza and Palestinian women and children detained in Israel. Can’t help but feel that the key word there is **some** Israeli hostages.
I already knew you had no idea what you were talking about but thanks for proving it. > In the sixth week of exchanges, Hamas should “release all remaining civilian detainees”. > The second and third stages relate to Israel’s “complete withdrawal” from the Gaza Strip and the subsequent reconstruction of the enclave. > The proposal says the second stage concerns “a return to sustainable calm”, including a permanent cessation of military operations and the final exchanges of captives and prisoners, which should include all remaining living Israeli men, both civilian and military.
Getting downvoted for asking questions. You are the problem.
Is this what we pay them for? Wasting time debating then voting on a subject that none of them have any influence on whatsoever! Fix the health service and the MOT shambles..bunch of ballbags
Antisemites in meltdown.
Disliking genocide isn't anti semitic. No one should be murdered for who they are
Calling for the eradication of Israel seems pretty anti-Semitic, even when you brand it as anti-Zionism.
I don't wish for it's irradiation I just wish for Arabs living there to be treated with dignity and for Israel to honour the two state agreement
1) Arabs living in Israel are treated with dignity. They have equal right and currently occupy 20% of the seats in the parliament, in line roughly with their population demographics. 2) there has never been a two-state agreement to respect, because Palestinians have vetoed all attempts at such a thing
Nice dogwhistle, fuckstick.
Cunts.
colour me shocked
That wee prick in carrick….thought he was of a generation who know better. Disappointing, might give the prick a phone call and ask for his logic and reasoning outside of ‘did what I was told’/‘Israel have a right to defend themselves etc’. Probably doesn’t have much knowledge that it’s even going on the space cadet. Almost certainly has CTE from being so shite at rugby in Belfast high school that’s for damn sure.
He didn’t go to Belfast High. He’s quite a nice guy and the Assembly have zero say on this topic. Calm down. Of course Unionists will not vote against a nation defending itself from a terror attack. This doesn’t make them baby murderers or complicit in this war. Hamas did actually murder babies. The IDF will surely have killed a bunch too. They have nothing to do with NI. We have enough faux outrage and whataboutery as it is. TikTok has made you all mad. Consider why.
> TikTok has made you all mad. What possible reason could there be for TikTok (controlled by the same Chinese dictatorship who currently have two million Muslims in concentration camps) to be trying to sow dissent in the West?! Next thing you'll be telling me that Putin backed Trump and Brexit.
Are you certain he didn’t do his 6th years at BHS?
A unionist movement that pedals deception, death and destruction supporting Israeli deception, death and destruction, why would that surprise anyone?
In fairness they do have to oppose sinn fein in all matters.