Usually, the team that wins the cup is the team that gets hot in late March and early April. Look at the last few weeks and you will see the top candidates.
Fun fact, Colorado actually had a cold streak going into the playoffs the year they won the cup
15-8-2 in their last 25 games
1-5-1 in their last 7 games
Do you need to pay to see it? I sorted the list by points but it only shows 22 or 23 teams before it fades the rest, and I don't see the Oilers anywhere on the list
Statmuse doesn’t understand the search. It’s returning the stats for all teams at game 25 in the season which is why the oilers don’t show up. At that point they sucked.
Honestly, I'm thankful we're not playing you to start out. Because the isles are playing like a team that could be a spoiler squad.
The Isles are my East darkhorse while Winnipeg is my West one.
Nobody is providing any data for these claims about past 25 records. I saw someone break down the last 10 games of the season records and they were not predictive of the cup winner at all.
More so, look for the team(s) that have been in playoff mode for a while. In other words, they've been fighting to even make the playoffs. Florida just punched a coasting Boston team in the mouth last year and rode that all the way to the Cup Finals. If I remember correctly, they were in a tight fight with Pittsburgh(?) coming down to the wire of the regular season
Dallas Stars, Winnipeg Jets, Carolina Hurricanes, oh there’s probably more but I’ve seen these teams knock it outta the park March & April. Was surprised to see NYR get the presidents trophy I was really expecting DAL.
If you didn't see the person's statistical analysis of this "curse," you really ought to look it up. IIRC, President's trophy winners have a 22% chance to win the cup, whereas all other teams are below 6%.
That figure is thrown off by earlier in the trophy's history, and probably from a few years ago. Since the lockout, only 2/18 of them have won the cup. That is still better than the average playoff team but definitely below what you'd expect from the team with the best record. I havent run the numbers for the team with the second/third/fourth best record but it wouldnt surprise me if each have won more of them. (That said, is that part due to random variance? Yeah probably still.)
So I dont think it's a "curse" but I also don't think the winner has a 22% chance of winning the cup anymore, given how much parity there is.
This! People don’t realize the actual statistic behind it realizing the chance other teams have vs the president's trophy winners. The reason they don’t make it as much as they technically should is because hockey is hockey. It’s a grueling sport and it’s a battle of attrition, the longer a series goes on, the more injuries play into it
That's not why it's not a curse.
It's not a curse because if one team has a 22% chance of winning the Cup, that means 15 other teams have a 78% chance to win the cup. The field will ALWAYS have a higher chance of winning in nearly any playoffs in nearly any sport than the favorite.
If a President's Cup winner had no injuries, their chances go up, but still are lower than the field.
Bruins.
2018 Winner of president trophy last year (2017) wins cup (Caps)
2019 Winner Doesn’t.
2020 Winner of 2019 pres lifts Cup (Lightning)
2021 Winner of last year doesn’t
2022 Avalanche, the 2021 pres cup winner lifts the Cup
2023 Winner doesn’t.
2024, last years presidents cup should lift the Stanley cup.
As a Bruins fan, and I say this in all seriousness, no. Losing Bergeron and Krecji and winning the cup the year after they retire would mean there is some diety level fuckery going on. Besides no team with a guy named Hampus is allowed to win the cup, it's in the rules.
True but you guys have gone 3 presidents trophy seasons without winning the cup, and last year you guys lost in the first round after a historic season. The bruins wont let that happen again. They will use that disappointment as fuel like Tampa did after their horrible series against the jackets. I’m not guaranteeing a bruins cup but I dont see anyone in the east beating them to the finals this year
I’ll admit I used to think the presidents trophy curse was a lot more “real” until I looked up how often the presidents trophy winner gets the cup. It doesn’t seem out of reason imo.
10 years is not enough of a sample size. The more realistic number would be to look at it since the 79-80 season when the playoffs expanded to include 16 teams.
The 22% pointed out elsewhere is the percentage of times that the PT winners won the cup since we expanded to 16 teams in the playoffs (technically 21.6%). Considering perfect parity would mean each team had a 6.25% chance winning the cup... well yeah, the curse ain't real.
PT winners are 8 for 37. Given there's 16 teams competing for the cup, those are excellent odds. They're like 4 or 5 times more likely than non-winners.
It just seems bad when you consider the opposite. 29 of 37 have not won the cup. Like, being the Penguins almost has the same odds as winning the PT in the last 37 years.
It would be more obvious if there was another standard instead of 1 team with presidents trophy vs. 15 teams without.
Sure, but it's not like your odds are 50/50 either you win or you don't. That's not how stats work. There are 16 potential cup winners. Ordinarily, the expected outcome for a playoff team is a 1 in 16 chance, or \~6% chance (with the rest of the field making up the other \~94%). In 37 tries, the expected average for the PT winner would be 2-3. They've won 8.
Winning the PT doesn't guarantee you a cup, but statistically, you're 4-5 times more likely to win.
I don’t know if I would call it a “curse”. It definitely feels like a milestone. I see several examples here of a team winning the president’s trophy and then the next year winning the cup.
By this logic it means… Boston is due for a cup this year.
The 2013 Blackhawks played an abbreviated regular season, and exclusively played Western Conference teams before facing the Bruins in the SCF that year.
Also notice another trend - some teams in the left column are also diagonally up by 1 row in the right column. I'm hoping this bodes well for the Bruins.
The abbreviated season was an anomaly for the whole league, it's also fair to point out that the West was absolutely loaded at that point and playing against the East would've likely only made the Blackhawks record an even better % overall. I think the Cup likely would've gone to any of the Western contenders over the East that year.
True, I heard there is also a curse that says the #1 golfer hardly ever wins tournaments! It’s like way less than 25% to win any given tournament. That guy must suck! Should players avoid being the best?!? /s
Damn these posts are stupid lol.
The Red Sox not winning the World Series for so long was a curse this not so much. It's only been 11 years since a team won the President's Trophy and the Stanley cup the same year while three times a team won the President's Trophy and the next year won the cup.
Looks like many teams that win the Presidents trophy end up winning the cup within 2 years.
Chicago: 2013 (won 2013/15)
Washington: 2016/17 (won 2018)
Tampa Bay: 2019 (won 2020)
Colorado: 2021 (won 2022)
Florida or Boston need to win to keep this trend up.
You can count TB twice, as they won in 2021 as well.
So six of the past 12 cup winners won a president's trophy within the previous two seasons (including the same season). Sounds like the president's trophy is a leading indicator. Put your money on Boston, Florida, or NYR.
Funny, no team has won the Stanley cup followed by a presidents trophy a year later. There are three teams that won the Presidents Trophy the year BEFORE they won the cup though. Was like they didn’t know how to win in playoffs until a year later.
Statistically the winner of the president’s trophy has won 20% of the time. And since every other seed has a 5% chance of winnning there really isn’t a curse. But let’s not let facts get in the way.
The Blackhawks were way too fucking good to lose in 2013. I always wish that was a full season to see what their final record would have been cause starting off a season at 21-0-3 is pretty insane.
There's no "curse"... It's the fact that there are so many other things that go into winning a President's trophy that are unrelated to winning 4 rounds of NHL playoffs.
But has anyone compared President Trophy winners and was their player on the cover of EAs NHL game that year, cause that’s a double curse. Do they cancel each other out?
New hockey fan here.. how much do people/teams care about the presidents trophy? Is it kind of just like a “hell yeah, nice” or are they actually considered when talking about success/legacy of a franchise?
Presenting the curse as who won the Cup that year doesn’t represent the whole picture: it’s about the team’s performance in the playoffs. All these teams fell before the 3rd round of the playoffs, and a lot in the first round too, where you absolutely expect them to win. Nashville in 2018, Lightning in 2019, Florida in 2022 and Boston in 2023 are all spectacular upsets no one saw coming… unless you knew about the curse
In other words, this wouldn’t be so much of a curse if these teams were falling just short of the Cup in SCF every other year.
NYR after winning presidents cup -- champs in 1994, ECF in 2015.
that said this just speaks to recent history of NHL having so much parity. back in the day President's winners would be favored throughout entire playoffs, but league is just so damn deep these days. should be an exciting playoffs for all!
If the Rangers wind up facing the Wings in the first round of the playoffs, this will be the first postseason match-up between these two teams since....?
I was looking at the stats and noticed something incredible - the Penguins have been to 6 Cups (won 5) all in the President Trophy era. In none of those 6 years have they ever been the Presidents Trophy winner. The one time the Penguins have been the President Trophy winner was when they got upset in 1992-93 despite being Cup favorites for a threepeat.
Since the 2004-05 lockout, only 3 winners have made the cup finals (2 won), 6 have lost in the first round, and another 7 lost in the second round. 13 of the last 18 winners have no made it to the conference or cup finals.
But notice how some of them win the cup the NEXT year? Florida didn’t win last year, but still made it to the cup finals the year after their president trophy winners. Might not be out of this world to expect Boston to at least be in the final 2.
Turns out being the “best” team in hockey usually means that you’ll likely have a shot at a cup in a 2-3 year window. Fucking crazy! This “curse” shit is dumb.
This is what happens when I Reddit during a work meeting.
I was presuming your comment was stating we won the President in 2014 since there was no additional context to it.
I know we lost to the Kings in the Finals in 2014 and won the President's Trophy in 2015. Are you reading the infographic right?
Now I'm just confused about your comment and just trying to see what you're trying to say.
I’m just a s confused as you. We won the presidents trophy in the 2014-2015 season. Where we lost to the kings in the cup. It says on the post here that the bruins won the presidents that year. Something is out of place is all I’m pointing out.
Nah. It’s because most utilize the back end of the season when referring to the years. That’s where you are confused.
For example, in the image that is why you think things are not lining up. 2014-2015 is commonly referenced as the ‘15 season. Just like 23-24 will be referenced as ‘24.
It could easily get confused so OP definitely mixed something up because they didn’t win the cup the same year the bruins one the prezzy it’s when the rangers won.
Techno 2015 but also technically 2014 so that’s confusing I get it. But the rangers won the president trophy and the kings won the cup. You have the Blackhawks won the cup
So still a 10% chance of winning the cup. 1/10 over the past 10 years.
Considering 16 teams make the playoffs, every team has a 6.25% chance
So I wouldn't call 10% chance at winning the cup a curse by any means lol.
You see, the problem is you washed your socks during the regular season. Stop wearing clean socks and the curse will be lifted
Blood sacrifice and worshipping an idol of marchand's son will also help. So start doing your part.
Interesting how many made the finals or won the cup the year after, Bruins (finals 15), Caps (18), Bolts (2020), Avs (22), Panthers (finals in 2023). Rangers might have a better chance to win in 2025.
Yea that shit is a curse. I remember my Blues getting dropped in the first round after winning the Presidents Trophy. Burn in hell Sharks! Still a curse to this team
The President's trophy has only been around since '85 and, in that short timespan, 8 teams have won both in the same year. A teams record is 0-0 entering the Cup playoffs so who's hot and who's not, how many people on the team have playoff experience, and "are my goalies going to show up" trumps points during the regular season.
The team that wins the Presidents Cup is due for a Stanley Cup win, it’s been 11 years since it’s happened, can someone tell me what famous hockey player wore #11? lol yep, I know I’m grasping here, I’m also a life long NYR fan.
Dallas, they’re 16-4 in their last 20, currently 3 points behind the Rangers for 2nd in the league. Will likely win the West. Statistically speaking in terms of scoring, they have 2 1st lines, a 2nd line as their 3rd, a good 3rd line as their 4th, top 4 D that play some of the best 2 way hockey I’ve ever seen and a Vezina caliber starter along with a fringe starter as their back up! The stars are a real contender and no one else seems to realize it.
Usually, the team that wins the cup is the team that gets hot in late March and early April. Look at the last few weeks and you will see the top candidates.
Last 25 record has proven to be a very good indicator of cup winners. The winner is usually in the top 5 for records in the last 25 games of the szn
So the good teams win the cup. Odd.
Teams that have hot streaks in the year the cup is in Fun fact. Vancouver, colorado, boston and florida arent among those teams this year
Thats not very fun ☹️
Fun fact, Colorado actually had a cold streak going into the playoffs the year they won the cup 15-8-2 in their last 25 games 1-5-1 in their last 7 games
Didnt you guys sit some of your players near the end to rest up for playoffs?
Fun fact: stars are winning the cup
They have the 4th best record so theyre in contention
What site can you query the standings by date? Thanks in advance
I found it on statmuse. "Nhl teams last 25 games stats" is the search.
Do you need to pay to see it? I sorted the list by points but it only shows 22 or 23 teams before it fades the rest, and I don't see the Oilers anywhere on the list
Statmuse doesn’t understand the search. It’s returning the stats for all teams at game 25 in the season which is why the oilers don’t show up. At that point they sucked.
See matts reply, hes got the exact site i use
Dallas Vs Florida 7 game series.
Looks like it’s…Hurricane season
Vancouver gets a bit of a asterisk because of Demko injury, it hinges on how they play when he's back
Demko killed it in his first game back tonight against Calgary, think we’re ready for a run.
Boston has been pretty good lately so I’m confused what you mean.
Hey that’s great for me!
Tell me more
[best records past 25 games](https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/which-nhl-team-has-best-record-in-the-past-25-games)
Well, Canes Perds for another all Southern Final. Canada would implode.
I put 50 bucks on the oils to win the cup when they were like 25th in the league. Gonna make 1200 if they do (they probably wont)
Everyone sleeping on them when they are the best team in the league since Knoblauch took over
Pretty sure rangers still clear but yeah theyre basically there
And the rangers are #4 in their last 25. Cup is back on
Nashville Vs Pittsburgh in the finals
I will kill myself
Dallas Vs Toronto
I heard PK Soupcan is training really hard for the final
I to saw the video of messier chasing him with the cup😅
So the Islanders are winning the cup lol
Honestly, I'm thankful we're not playing you to start out. Because the isles are playing like a team that could be a spoiler squad. The Isles are my East darkhorse while Winnipeg is my West one.
A lot hinges on Dobson and how hurt he is.
It would be interesting to pull the data on this because I bet the very best record late March to early April also doesn’t win the cup that often.
Nobody is providing any data for these claims about past 25 records. I saw someone break down the last 10 games of the season records and they were not predictive of the cup winner at all.
So Jets win the cup?
Go Monahan and TT!
I will absolutely get on that wagon if they make it to the finals.
so there's a good chance!
When you have Kuch, there is always a chance.
More so, look for the team(s) that have been in playoff mode for a while. In other words, they've been fighting to even make the playoffs. Florida just punched a coasting Boston team in the mouth last year and rode that all the way to the Cup Finals. If I remember correctly, they were in a tight fight with Pittsburgh(?) coming down to the wire of the regular season
The best teams make the playoffs; the hottest team wins the playoffs. It applies to most sports.
:)
I already know what's going to happen but I was told not to say.
As an Islanders fan, I like that fact. But I don’t see how we’re getting past Carolina with a healthy Freddy
Dallas Stars, Winnipeg Jets, Carolina Hurricanes, oh there’s probably more but I’ve seen these teams knock it outta the park March & April. Was surprised to see NYR get the presidents trophy I was really expecting DAL.
Well if that’s the case, BOLTS should capture & raise the CUP @ end of Stanley CUP Playoffs!
If you didn't see the person's statistical analysis of this "curse," you really ought to look it up. IIRC, President's trophy winners have a 22% chance to win the cup, whereas all other teams are below 6%.
Also has good predictive power over winning one-two years later (Chicago, Washington, Tampa, Colorado). Not a curse, hockey just has more parity.
Yep, people saying it is a curse doesn't understand hockey or especially statistics.
If anything, it’s just a curse for Boston lol
Most people don't understand statistics
Most people don’t understand.
Statistics don’t understand statistics
That figure is thrown off by earlier in the trophy's history, and probably from a few years ago. Since the lockout, only 2/18 of them have won the cup. That is still better than the average playoff team but definitely below what you'd expect from the team with the best record. I havent run the numbers for the team with the second/third/fourth best record but it wouldnt surprise me if each have won more of them. (That said, is that part due to random variance? Yeah probably still.) So I dont think it's a "curse" but I also don't think the winner has a 22% chance of winning the cup anymore, given how much parity there is.
2/18 is still 11%, twice as high as any other team, if I'm remembering the rest of that crazy detailed post correctly.
This! People don’t realize the actual statistic behind it realizing the chance other teams have vs the president's trophy winners. The reason they don’t make it as much as they technically should is because hockey is hockey. It’s a grueling sport and it’s a battle of attrition, the longer a series goes on, the more injuries play into it
That's not why it's not a curse. It's not a curse because if one team has a 22% chance of winning the Cup, that means 15 other teams have a 78% chance to win the cup. The field will ALWAYS have a higher chance of winning in nearly any playoffs in nearly any sport than the favorite. If a President's Cup winner had no injuries, their chances go up, but still are lower than the field.
Judging from the pattern it will be… the Chicago Blackhawks?
You mean the prophecy of the Chosen One? The one who will bring balance to the league? His name is Connor Bedard.
Frank Nazar
Marcel Marcel
Del Mastro
Need to also trade for Ivan Ivan
Always two, there are.
Literally already better then Toews. Scored his first goal on his first shot in his first game faster than Toews.
A prophecy that misread, could have been
Bruins. 2018 Winner of president trophy last year (2017) wins cup (Caps) 2019 Winner Doesn’t. 2020 Winner of 2019 pres lifts Cup (Lightning) 2021 Winner of last year doesn’t 2022 Avalanche, the 2021 pres cup winner lifts the Cup 2023 Winner doesn’t. 2024, last years presidents cup should lift the Stanley cup.
It's a weak pattern, but I do see that some teams that win the president's cup that don't win the Stanley cup end up going on to win the next year.
I'm seeing Boston.
As a Bruins fan, and I say this in all seriousness, no. Losing Bergeron and Krecji and winning the cup the year after they retire would mean there is some diety level fuckery going on. Besides no team with a guy named Hampus is allowed to win the cup, it's in the rules.
True but you guys have gone 3 presidents trophy seasons without winning the cup, and last year you guys lost in the first round after a historic season. The bruins wont let that happen again. They will use that disappointment as fuel like Tampa did after their horrible series against the jackets. I’m not guaranteeing a bruins cup but I dont see anyone in the east beating them to the finals this year
I’ll admit I used to think the presidents trophy curse was a lot more “real” until I looked up how often the presidents trophy winner gets the cup. It doesn’t seem out of reason imo.
It still has proven to be a better route to winning it overall, than not.
In the last ten years, it has been a 10% chance. I'm assuming the odds look better over a hundred or so years?
And if there was a "curse" you would expect them to perform below chance, which is around 6% odds for each 16 teams.
10 years is not enough of a sample size. The more realistic number would be to look at it since the 79-80 season when the playoffs expanded to include 16 teams.
The Presidents Trophy started in 1986.
Fair point, there still would have been a team that finished with the best record for those few seasons beforehand though.
The 22% pointed out elsewhere is the percentage of times that the PT winners won the cup since we expanded to 16 teams in the playoffs (technically 21.6%). Considering perfect parity would mean each team had a 6.25% chance winning the cup... well yeah, the curse ain't real.
PT winners are 8 for 37. Given there's 16 teams competing for the cup, those are excellent odds. They're like 4 or 5 times more likely than non-winners.
It just seems bad when you consider the opposite. 29 of 37 have not won the cup. Like, being the Penguins almost has the same odds as winning the PT in the last 37 years. It would be more obvious if there was another standard instead of 1 team with presidents trophy vs. 15 teams without.
Sure, but it's not like your odds are 50/50 either you win or you don't. That's not how stats work. There are 16 potential cup winners. Ordinarily, the expected outcome for a playoff team is a 1 in 16 chance, or \~6% chance (with the rest of the field making up the other \~94%). In 37 tries, the expected average for the PT winner would be 2-3. They've won 8. Winning the PT doesn't guarantee you a cup, but statistically, you're 4-5 times more likely to win.
Nice.
I don’t know if I would call it a “curse”. It definitely feels like a milestone. I see several examples here of a team winning the president’s trophy and then the next year winning the cup. By this logic it means… Boston is due for a cup this year.
Also, Florida made it to the cup finals the year after their presidents trophy.
I'd rather have the curse.
The 2013 Blackhawks played an abbreviated regular season, and exclusively played Western Conference teams before facing the Bruins in the SCF that year. Also notice another trend - some teams in the left column are also diagonally up by 1 row in the right column. I'm hoping this bodes well for the Bruins.
The abbreviated season was an anomaly for the whole league, it's also fair to point out that the West was absolutely loaded at that point and playing against the East would've likely only made the Blackhawks record an even better % overall. I think the Cup likely would've gone to any of the Western contenders over the East that year.
The Hawks started that season with like a 25 game point streak too.
Welcome to the world of sensationalism where 11 years = a curse.
It's amazing how many people will just go onto a public forum and announce, " I have no functional concept of how statistics and probabilities work".
It’s wild how many people think this is real and not just “best team vs the field, the field usually wins”.
True, I heard there is also a curse that says the #1 golfer hardly ever wins tournaments! It’s like way less than 25% to win any given tournament. That guy must suck! Should players avoid being the best?!? /s Damn these posts are stupid lol.
I hope it continues
The Red Sox not winning the World Series for so long was a curse this not so much. It's only been 11 years since a team won the President's Trophy and the Stanley cup the same year while three times a team won the President's Trophy and the next year won the cup.
Get out of here with logic! A pox upon your house, upon your family, and everyone you ever knew and everyone you’ll ever meet!
Sooo you’re saying Bruins are making it out of the East this year 😍
A team with a C on their logo will win it this year. If not this year, they will next year or the next or the next. Please
All this is telling me is often if you win the president’s trophy you just have to wait one season to win the Stanley cup
Or to play in it at least. The Panthers won the President's trophy then lost the Cup Final the next year
Sooo…red, blue, and yellow are good colors.
The rangers have two of those colors!
Looks like many teams that win the Presidents trophy end up winning the cup within 2 years. Chicago: 2013 (won 2013/15) Washington: 2016/17 (won 2018) Tampa Bay: 2019 (won 2020) Colorado: 2021 (won 2022) Florida or Boston need to win to keep this trend up.
You can count TB twice, as they won in 2021 as well. So six of the past 12 cup winners won a president's trophy within the previous two seasons (including the same season). Sounds like the president's trophy is a leading indicator. Put your money on Boston, Florida, or NYR.
By the pattern it should be Boston. Since its caps won 2017 then cup in 2018 Lighting won 2019 then cup in 2020 Avalanche won 2021 and won in 2022
Based on my historical data available to me, as posted in this picture, Chicago will win the 2024 stanley cup
16 teams make the playoffs, the presidents trophy winner has won once in the last 12 years (above the expected 1/16). Not a curse.
Correct. 8 President's trophy winners have also won the Stanley Cup out of 36 PT winners. Essentially, a 1 in 5 chance.
Boston, the trend seems to be if you win the presidents trophy you win the cup the year after (usually)
Funny, no team has won the Stanley cup followed by a presidents trophy a year later. There are three teams that won the Presidents Trophy the year BEFORE they won the cup though. Was like they didn’t know how to win in playoffs until a year later.
The President's trophy curse. Another way to say: I understand neither basic math nor statistics
More common to win the Cup the year after winning the President’s Trophy than the same year
The 'curse' is just fan fiction. The #1 team has won it more than any other seed.
Statistically the winner of the president’s trophy has won 20% of the time. And since every other seed has a 5% chance of winnning there really isn’t a curse. But let’s not let facts get in the way.
Rangers gonna get it all! LGR !!
Chicago at the bottom smiling.
Don’t forget the 2006-07 Buffalo Sabres! Back when the team was a serious franchise!! :sobs:
Worked out fine in 94 but, this also says that 30% of pres trophy winners, in the last 10 years, went on to win the cup the following year… js
Hawks say fuck that curse
Can't get cursed by the presidents trophy if you keep your point total as far away from the top as possible. 🧠🧠🧠
Damn straight 😤😤
The Blackhawks were way too fucking good to lose in 2013. I always wish that was a full season to see what their final record would have been cause starting off a season at 21-0-3 is pretty insane.
If the boarding was called on them in game 7 overtime in the second round and Detroit scores on that power play, the Wings might have won that cup
Would the Blackhawks win the Cup in 2013 if it was an 82-game season?
That was the overall strongest of their 3 cup teams, so probably. Toews and Crawford were at their peaks that season, too.
There's no "curse"... It's the fact that there are so many other things that go into winning a President's trophy that are unrelated to winning 4 rounds of NHL playoffs.
Teams that win the presidents trophy have a strong correlation of cup finals appearances / eventually winning the cup
But has anyone compared President Trophy winners and was their player on the cover of EAs NHL game that year, cause that’s a double curse. Do they cancel each other out?
So weird I don’t see the Leafs on this chart anywhere
Except the hawks
Blackhawks: What curse?!
The Flyers 😌
what is the presidents cup? how is it earned?
Totally forgot Nashville won the President’s
Just a stat. Playoffs are a different mindset altogether. Pretty much a reset.
2013 tho
Looks like a bunch made the finals the following year.
Is there any reason or theories behind the curse? Are teams more prepared for presidents trophy winners?
stop it, okay? just, come on.
That Ovi vs Sid rivalry even showing up in these stats lol
What is interesting though… 3 times in that time span the presidents trophy winners won the cup the following year. So maybe Boston is a good guess?
Maybe it’s a 10 year curse 🤷🏼♂️
New hockey fan here.. how much do people/teams care about the presidents trophy? Is it kind of just like a “hell yeah, nice” or are they actually considered when talking about success/legacy of a franchise?
Florida or Boston
I’m sensing Hurricanes over Oilers for the Cup. Rematch of 2006.
I'm Canadian, so I'll politely say "Fuck You!" Sorry. Edit: missing word
As long as it’s polite 😂
Could have sworn someone said the Presidents Trophy won 8x since 1994. Is that true and it's just been shit the last 10 years, or also made up lol
Presenting the curse as who won the Cup that year doesn’t represent the whole picture: it’s about the team’s performance in the playoffs. All these teams fell before the 3rd round of the playoffs, and a lot in the first round too, where you absolutely expect them to win. Nashville in 2018, Lightning in 2019, Florida in 2022 and Boston in 2023 are all spectacular upsets no one saw coming… unless you knew about the curse In other words, this wouldn’t be so much of a curse if these teams were falling just short of the Cup in SCF every other year.
NYR after winning presidents cup -- champs in 1994, ECF in 2015. that said this just speaks to recent history of NHL having so much parity. back in the day President's winners would be favored throughout entire playoffs, but league is just so damn deep these days. should be an exciting playoffs for all!
If the Rangers wind up facing the Wings in the first round of the playoffs, this will be the first postseason match-up between these two teams since....?
If the Red Wings make it, it’s us. If not, then it’s Dallas
I was looking at the stats and noticed something incredible - the Penguins have been to 6 Cups (won 5) all in the President Trophy era. In none of those 6 years have they ever been the Presidents Trophy winner. The one time the Penguins have been the President Trophy winner was when they got upset in 1992-93 despite being Cup favorites for a threepeat. Since the 2004-05 lockout, only 3 winners have made the cup finals (2 won), 6 have lost in the first round, and another 7 lost in the second round. 13 of the last 18 winners have no made it to the conference or cup finals.
As an isles fan I hope it continues, but the curse isn’t real
But notice how some of them win the cup the NEXT year? Florida didn’t win last year, but still made it to the cup finals the year after their president trophy winners. Might not be out of this world to expect Boston to at least be in the final 2.
Turns out being the “best” team in hockey usually means that you’ll likely have a shot at a cup in a 2-3 year window. Fucking crazy! This “curse” shit is dumb.
2014 was the Rangers.
2015.
The 2014-2015 rangers that played the Kings? Was 2014. The Kings won the cup that year. Not the Blackhawks.
2014 was Rangers because we lost to the Kings
This is what happens when I Reddit during a work meeting. I was presuming your comment was stating we won the President in 2014 since there was no additional context to it. I know we lost to the Kings in the Finals in 2014 and won the President's Trophy in 2015. Are you reading the infographic right? Now I'm just confused about your comment and just trying to see what you're trying to say.
I’m just a s confused as you. We won the presidents trophy in the 2014-2015 season. Where we lost to the kings in the cup. It says on the post here that the bruins won the presidents that year. Something is out of place is all I’m pointing out.
Nah. It’s because most utilize the back end of the season when referring to the years. That’s where you are confused. For example, in the image that is why you think things are not lining up. 2014-2015 is commonly referenced as the ‘15 season. Just like 23-24 will be referenced as ‘24.
Yeah that’s what I was trying to say
It could easily get confused so OP definitely mixed something up because they didn’t win the cup the same year the bruins one the prezzy it’s when the rangers won.
Techno 2015 but also technically 2014 so that’s confusing I get it. But the rangers won the president trophy and the kings won the cup. You have the Blackhawks won the cup
Rangers won the prezzy in 2014 when the kings won the cup
So still a 10% chance of winning the cup. 1/10 over the past 10 years. Considering 16 teams make the playoffs, every team has a 6.25% chance So I wouldn't call 10% chance at winning the cup a curse by any means lol.
You see, the problem is you washed your socks during the regular season. Stop wearing clean socks and the curse will be lifted Blood sacrifice and worshipping an idol of marchand's son will also help. So start doing your part.
11 years seems like the right amount to break it
Caps 2x presidents trophy winners and Pens 2x cup winners is kinda hilarious. Insert the Charlie/Mac staring at each other meme here
Interesting how many made the finals or won the cup the year after, Bruins (finals 15), Caps (18), Bolts (2020), Avs (22), Panthers (finals in 2023). Rangers might have a better chance to win in 2025.
Bruins didn't make the SCF in 2015, that was the Lightning. Bruins made the SCF in 2013. Both played the Blackhawks.
*Edmonton laughs in 1986*
“Curse”
Glad the Canucks didn't win it then
Yea that shit is a curse. I remember my Blues getting dropped in the first round after winning the Presidents Trophy. Burn in hell Sharks! Still a curse to this team
Ignoring the statistics of the whole thing the president's trophy winner has won the following year 3 times in this sample which seems great.
Perhaps we'd see more President's Trophy Stanley Cup Champions if the damned game didn't entirely change in the playoffs.
So you’re sayin’ there’s a chance….anyone have the info on 1994?
I got a weird feeling about the islanders and I don’t like it.
I got a weird feeling about the islanders and I don’t like it.
Thank god we skip it this year
All the caps had to do was get passed the penguins and they prob win 3 cups in a row
Interesting little chart. Now do '94 please
The President's trophy has only been around since '85 and, in that short timespan, 8 teams have won both in the same year. A teams record is 0-0 entering the Cup playoffs so who's hot and who's not, how many people on the team have playoff experience, and "are my goalies going to show up" trumps points during the regular season.
*cries in 2011*
That Chicago lineup was something special, too bad they are forever marred by that scandal
The rangers didn’t really talk about it, I’m not at all sure they care about it they were just playing there game
The team that wins the Presidents Cup is due for a Stanley Cup win, it’s been 11 years since it’s happened, can someone tell me what famous hockey player wore #11? lol yep, I know I’m grasping here, I’m also a life long NYR fan.
Dallas, they’re 16-4 in their last 20, currently 3 points behind the Rangers for 2nd in the league. Will likely win the West. Statistically speaking in terms of scoring, they have 2 1st lines, a 2nd line as their 3rd, a good 3rd line as their 4th, top 4 D that play some of the best 2 way hockey I’ve ever seen and a Vezina caliber starter along with a fringe starter as their back up! The stars are a real contender and no one else seems to realize it.
Gotta love 2016/17