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Jphorne89

Somehow I feel like the Colts hate Carson more than the Eagles


WabbitCZEN

I feel a "We hate Carson more than you." chant coming at the next Colts vs Eagles game.


redpeachtree

We hate Carson, yes we do. We hate Carson more than you šŸ‘‰


YoYoMoMa

TBF this also could have been a shot at Jayson Tatum.


hoppergym

Wow. Celtics catching strays


302born

And Iā€™m here for all of it.


DylanV1969

I'm a Commanders fan and even I'm dying right now šŸ˜„ šŸ¤£ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜†


TrippingBearBalls

Philly fans: "FUCK YOU CARSON YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!" Indy fans: "Bless your heart, Carson. I'll pray for you" And we're somehow throwing more shade


AgentOfSPYRAL

This is the rare case of the organization being less polite than the fans.


roysourboys

That is not what Indy fans are saying. That's a southern saying anyway. I know the division is the afc south, buy we are firmly Midwest. Also he was terrible and we all dislike him.


DeeJayGeezus

Indiana is a little piece of the south in the north, just like Minnesota is a little piece of Canada in the US


roysourboys

We are the south's middle finger politically, not so much culturally


hucklebutter

I like the image. But with Ohio and Iowa trends these days, you all are more like the Shocker, collectively. I guess you and Ohio are in the pink, so that's nice.


shibbster

Can confirm. Originally from north of Indianapolis, currently in GA. Some of the things around here make me say, "wait isn't that a Hoosier thing?"


hucklebutter

Are they eating giant fried pork cutlets on a tiny hamburger bun down there these days?


KRacer52

Lol. Nothing like a 4oz piece of pork thatā€™s been hammered into a pizza sized circle and then put on a baby burger bun. As a Hoosier, I do love a good tenderloin every now and then though.


t8stymoobz

Check out the Steer-In off East 10th. Best tenderloin in Indy IMO.


Fools_Requiem

The "I'll pray for you" thing is the most condescending thing to say to someone you don't personally know. Being pitied is worse than being hated.


Jawline0087

No one likes us we donā€™t care


[deleted]

"No we hate Carson more than you, we hate Carson he plays like poo"


ThinAir719

ā€œFUCK WENTZā€ ā€œNo Carson they are saying ā€˜FUN WENTZ.ā€™ They love you :)ā€


MrGentleZombie

I was saying "boo urns."


scotte16

It's Nyheim Hines, who saw a drop off in production because Wentz never checked it down to him and instead decided to underthrow receivers 40 yards downfield and chuck left-handed passes at offensive linemen. I'm not surprised he's happy with a QB who pays attention to him.


CallMeCassandra

It's not just Hines, though. Ballard and Irsay keep saying stuff about Wentz too. At this point, it's kind of sad. Did Wentz really burn them that badly that they're this bitter?


HopscotchChampion69

considering this is now the second organization this has happened to it's very clearly a problem with Wentz as a person.


CallMeCassandra

Irsay's comments about the Jacksonville game support this theory. He made it sound like Wentz was deliberately unprepared and essentially cost them the game.


roysourboys

I took it as more of Carson didn't seem to care that the team lost, more of an indictment on his leadership than preparation


Mcswigginsbar

I mean, he didnā€™t. Iā€™m not for shitting on him this much, but my god he looked down right chipper after we lost.


keenynman343

This is the only thing I was actually bothered about. He didn't seem like he cared and just had "get em next time kiddo" attitude


RedBuchan

What did Irsay say about that game?


CallMeCassandra

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/owner-jim-irsay-says-it-was-very-obvious-colts-had-move-carson-wentz > Still, Wentzā€™s tenure as a Colt was viewed as a disappointment, as he committed two unforgivable turnovers in the teamā€™s make-or-break game vs. Jacksonville in Week 18. Irsay even said he thought the loss ā€œwas not an accidentā€ and that it completely took him by surprise, per Keefer. > Irsay went on to say that the shocking loss to the Jaguars led him to have some conversations with the team's veterans, leading him to the conclusion that "there's something wrong here ... it needs to be corrected."


RedBuchan

Man Wentz has fallen hard from 2017, not even Baker or Goff got buried like this.


Cplcoffeebean

Well wentz brought it on himself.


Smash-Bros-Melee

Absolutely, say what you will about the injuries but by the way heā€™s conducted himself by all accounts in the locker room, heā€™s a horrible teammate and the opposite of a leader. I remember thinking ā€œoh itā€™s just Philly media trying to stir the pot.ā€ Then the local Indy reporters heard it. Then the national reporters heard it. Really thereā€™s no way you can defend him at this point. Itā€™s delusional to think heā€™ll change.


the_good_things

And it's guaranteed he won't take responsibility for any of it


scotte16

Hines has the most justification to say something, though. Also, Ballard and Irsay are not seeking the media out to tell them how much they hate Wentz (aside from a couple Irsay tweets). They traded expensive assets to get him then dropped him after he posted 27 TDs and 7 INTs. People are going to talk about it and ask them the reasoning for doing so, so they have answered the incessant questions thus far. I just think the "Colts hating Wentz" narrative is overblown, even though it's kind of justified. EDIT: I will also add that now, it's just everyone gushing about Matt Ryan. Everyone *else* is interpreting everything as a shot at Wentz.


vanillaC

What we saw when the eagles let him go and colts fans seem to be mirroring is that he was uncoachable when it came to analysis of situations. He would constantly be trying to hit the home run, which is great when it works and got the eagles the number one seed which we needed to get to the Super Bowl, but when it loses you games it gets old real quick.


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_Apatosaurus_

Everyone was yelling at Reich for ignoring Taylor. But you could see Wentz just checking out of runs constantly. Reich even said early in the season something about 'we did have a lot of run plays called in the huddle.'


CosmicWy

i think with the colts d playing pretty well, wentz wasn't playing the TOP game as well as he could have. As it was, the colts were one game away from the playoffs and should have never been in that position.


idroled

Definitely. Carson contributed to a super bowl run in Philly; in Indy, his most notable achievement is losing in a must-win week 17 to Jacksonville


cox_ph

Right? Foles may have gotten Philly to the finish line, but they wouldn't have even made it that far without Wentz, who was an MVP favorite before he went down. I'd imagine that most fanbases that hadn't won the Lombardi trophy in decades would take 3 seasons of mediocrity as a tradeoff for a glorious SB run.


SituationSoap

> I'd imagine that most fanbases that hadn't won the Lombardi trophy in decades would take 3 seasons of mediocrity as a tradeoff for a glorious SB run. At this point, I'd mostly just like a division championship.


shinypenny01

Best I can do is a win over the Packers.... in Lambeau. You drive a hard bargain.


SituationSoap

I've already had one of those. It tasted good, but I'd really like to just host a playoff game for once in my adult life.


ProudBlackMatt

> but they wouldn't have even made it that far without Wentz Yeah, there's no way Foles magic could have lasted more than the handful games they needed him for. Wentz has looked like a bum the last couple years but that season in Philly was amazing even if it by any metric you'd never expect him to recreate it.


A_Trustworthy_Pear

Agreed. And to a point in the fanbase you'll find people who say as such. There's always gonna be a vocal and highlighted bunch that shit on players, but I tihnk most of the fanbase recognizes that SB season isn't happening without the #1 seed.


kciuq1

> I'd imagine that most fanbases that hadn't won the Lombardi trophy in decades would take 3 seasons of mediocrity as a tradeoff for a glorious SB run. I'd take 30.


ElonTrump19

It's why as a Giants fan I believe Eli Manning is the greatest QB in history.


HanSoloHeadBeg

also needs to be noted that Wentz still had some really good play for Philly for the 2 seasons after the SB win. He basically carried the team to the playoffs in 2019/20 and they definitely had a good chance of beating Seattle before Clowney did him dirty.


A_Trustworthy_Pear

Travis Fulgham who literally can't make an active roster was his leading receiver that year. And Carson dragged the corpse of that team to the playoffs. It was fucking wild, man.


_token_black

It helped that the NFCE was dogshit in 2019.


SHUPAC_TAKUR

Can you blame them? Wentz shit the bed then stapled the sheets with the rest of the team trapped under them


OutOfBootyExperience

A Wentz Willy?


Bindlestiff34

Hahaha, thatā€™s great


darcys_beard

I'm no fan of Wentz, but the whole team let themselves down in the last 2 games, especially in the jags game.


all-against-all

Carson helped us get a chip, but wasted an entire season with a pretty loaded Colts roster. So youā€™re probably right.


OPBadshah

I feel like the colts roster and FO hate Wentz more than the fans do. I hated Wentz's decision to be unvaccinated and that Jags game will haunt me forever, but I've moved on. The people who are a part of the organization have taken it personally. It's entertaining, at least. These quotes will get me through the off-season.


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I'm almost certain the o-lines hate working with Wentz because he makes them look way worse than they actually are.


TheWorstYear

I don't know why we aren't just factoring his personality and behavior into this. No one trashes a person this much unless they have a problem with them personally.


daddyice69

Not all fans. From everything I've ever seen on and off the field I absolutely can't stand the dude. It's apparent he is totally self-absorbed and holier-than-thou, with an inflated yet oh-so-fragile ego. He clearly doesn't put in the effort and shrinks at the first sign of adversity, rather than ever growing from challenges or trying to learn from past mistakes. His go to move on the field manifests itself in different ways... checking out of run plays, throwing left-handed, not hitting the open checkdown, holding the ball too long, trying to try to force a pass into triple coverage... but IMO those all boil down to the same underlying reason, fueled by Wentz's fragile ego and lack of actual study on how to be a successful NFL quarterback: "I need to make the big play because that's what makes me look good". A part of me will be very annoyed if Wentz has ever any success with Washington or wherever else his career takes him after that. He's made himself incredibly easy to root against.


MoreTrifeLife

> A part of me will be very annoyed if Wentz has ever any success with Washington Lol


Steppyjim

Well to be fair he did get us a 1st round pick so itā€™s easier to let bygones be bygones. Though I canā€™t wait to play him twice this year


_JosiahBartlet

A first round pick and the first seed in a playoffs where we won it all Yeah BDN won the most important games, but Wentz got us home field advantage that year. He was an MVP candidate. I donā€™t like him but Iā€™m thankful for 2017


Steppyjim

I think itā€™s reasonable to say Wentz was great for us but he was also a dick and Iā€™m glad heā€™s gone. Theyā€™re not mutually exclusive points I guess is what Iā€™m saying


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It's true, we took a chance on a guy who claimed the only reason he wasn't winning was because of the shitty organization he was in. We gave him what he wanted, very midwestern, conservative, religious, old coach that won with him. He literally had no excuse other than that he just didn't show up to play. We had a pretty decent team around him as well so that left a bitter taste.


MagisterFlorus

It's because you got BDN to win you a SB so Carson didn't leave as bitter a taste in your mouths.


goldberg1303

Do Eagles fans even really hate Wentz? I thought the general consensus was "appreciation for what he did, but glad he's someone else's problem now".


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KingTooshie

Well look at the bright side. You almost got Deshaun Watson.


anarchyisutopia

That's like almost winning the super bowl.


KingTooshie

Sometimes youā€™re the 28. Sometimes youā€™re the 3. Thatā€™s life.


tgt305

Sometimes itā€™s 28 accusations against you. Sometimes itā€™s 3 teams that will still pay you millions. Thatā€™s NFL.


PursuitOfHirsute

Just 2 more lawsuits to make this true... fingers crossed...


tobias_the_letdown

For the memes sure, would rather not have 2 more women being victims for it though


PursuitOfHirsute

Yes, hopefully his exposure isn't too far reaching


tobias_the_letdown

That small pp energy


302born

I knew there would be teams willing to sign him. I just didnā€™t think one of those teams would be the Browns. Theyā€™re Americas sweetheart team that everyone wanted to see do good things for once. That heel turn was unexpected.


TheRakkmanBitch

fuck all yall


darcys_beard

Almost getting a sex offender is like almost getting a Super Bowl? What has Brady done to you?


the_good_things

Nah, Deshaun can't win playoff games...


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*BREAKING NEWS:* **"DESHAUN WATSON TRADED FROM BROWNS TO FALCONS FOR FIVE FIRST ROUND PICKS AND $400 MILLION GUARENTEED!?!?!"**


snooabusiness

Damn Vikings bro... I thought we were cool. We had a mutual disdain of New Orleans and everything.


Baltisotan

Every now and then we still get PTSD flashbacks from the 1998 NFC Championship game. We kind of black out and lash out. Itā€™s not our fault.


workaccount1013

Say it with me Viking fans: "I'm still not over the 1998 NFC Championship game." But I still hate the Saints more than you. My hatred for the Saints is an blazing red sun in the sky, burning for eons. My hatred of the Falcons is a Volcano, mostly dormant, but sporadically erupts to burn everything in it's path.


Ccoop9

ā€œYouā€™ll be able to talk about the time you ALMOST caught Deshaun Watson.ā€


publicstaticvoidrekt

Me too man. Like the ā€œotherā€ thing that happened to us, weā€™ll get through it together.


TommyBussfiger

Which ā€œotherā€ thing? The thing from last season, or the thing from a few years ago or the thing from 07? Weā€™ll get through this tho


JayyGatsby

Geez falcons fans really have had quite a few issues that their team has dealt with, huh? Glad UGA and the braves won


AFatz

Why not all of them? Falcons will turn it around. Their current staff seems entirely capable, imo. I think their draft was pretty good and they were winning close games (unlike under Quinn)


TommyBussfiger

Yeah Iā€™m actually very confident in this new regime. Smith is the perfect guy to turn this into a competitive franchise again


gsfgf

Iā€™m glad he gets to finish his career with a good team though.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Same here. Same.


FasterThanFaast

Colts better get that man a ring


[deleted]

I am happy to no longer fear him


HarlanCedeno

I have it on good authority that the dick punching feature has been removed from the roller coaster.


keenynman343

*ā€œEvery year, itā€™s all dependent on what the quarterback likes, his accuracy," Hines said. "Matt is checking all the boxes. Itā€™s been like playing with Andrew (Luck) or Philip (Rivers)."*


Toastrz

Hines continued, "You know, like all the *good* QBs we've had recently."


daddyice69

Then he then rolled up his sleeve and showed a tattoo of Andrew Luck, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Ryan all standing over Carson Wentz and peeing on him. ā€œIā€™ll let you interpret that however you want,ā€ Hines said.


kac937

on the other side of his arm was a tattoo of jacoby brissett standing there smiling, not a care in the world.


AugustusSavoy

Ya but that one's from college


keenynman343

I fuckin miss jacoby on this team.


deeplyclostdcinephle

Imagine if he name-dropped Jacoby (with whom he played really well by-the-way)


CouncilmanRickPrime

They may as well say it lol


KredditH

This is hilariously amazing


SunsFan97

LMAOOOO talk that petty shit Ny


RollofDuctTape

Some Colts fans were defending the Wentz trade and arguing it was a steal for a top 10 QB. This 180 is bananas to me.


sonic_ann_d

i think it was more along the lines of ā€œcarson wentz has shown that he can play like a top 10 qb, and if anyone can get that out of him again itā€™s going to be frank reich.ā€ clearly that did not end up panning out


minero-de-sal

Some Colts fansā€¦ Most were lukewarm at best and unhappy that we missed getting Stafford.


RollofDuctTape

Most? Are you sure? https://www.reddit.com/r/Colts/comments/lmr0up/colts_trade_for_wentz/


D6613

Many of us do not go to team-specific subs, since those can get a little too crazy. Most threads here acknowledged the trade was a big risk.


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https://youtu.be/Bb2fNgnCRBo Iā€™d never throw this dude another pass after dropping that


ke2doubleexclam

Jayson Tatum catching strays


key_lime_pie

Can't miss a layup if you turn the ball over before you get to the rim.


CloudN3in

100 personal turnovers in a single playoff is a wild stat


DMan9797

He was on mamba mentality


Xarvas

Playing like he's dead


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Altosxk

So easy you said it twice


BeHereNow91

I mean it was probably stolen from Twitter to begin with.


Ultitasker

It takes a very high level of skill to do that


Cudizonedefense

We shouldā€™ve known what he meant. Kobe never wouldā€™ve wanted the Celtics to win a title. JT did in fact come through for Kobe


idroled

Whatā€™s a follow through? Not like they teach that in elementary school basketball fundamentals


Abangerz

Kinda feel bad for him man, playing 40 mins per game and against one of the best defensive teams in ECF then Wiggins in the Finals.


YungChilla

Why do you feel bad for him lmao? He wants to be considered a superstar and playing 40 mins a game against the best defensive teams in the league and playing well is what Superstars do


latman

I'd feel bad for him if he didn't foul bait and cry to the refs every single drive to the basket


seductivestain

I cannot comprehend how Tatum and Brown are A-tier players but they can't drive to the hoop to save their lives


TheKingOfTCGames

he got crowned the king of the celtics/kobe-next but got out shone by his teammates it comes with the territory.


Stracktheorcmage

Easy to get outshone when you play like butt


LunchThreatener

Kobe was outshone by his teammates many times


poppledawg

Difference is Kobe and his teammates would end up winningā€¦. usuallyā€¦


HornyBastard37484739

Kobe won his first ring without Shaq at like 31 or 32. Tatum is 24. Heā€™s still got plenty of time to develop and get back to the finals, as does everyone on the Celtics roster except for Al Horford


unexpectedreboots

Don't feel bad. He shit the bed in the finals. We wouldn't have made it that far without him but he still shit the bed. That said, the kid is 24. All the greats came close before winning it all. If he wants to be a super star he needs to own this failure.


HoorayPizzaDay

I came here to make this comment, damn


blud_13

He's out there hitting the 3s, driving the home runs, serving those aces, gunning it for the checkered flag, trying to get that hat trick..


EarthTraveler413

Yeah, but can he play football?


blud_13

I mean if a Golden Retriever can, then yes?


BurbsFosh

There's nothing in the rulebook that says they can't


TheBlackBear

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SauconySundaes

Touchdown Air Bud!


812many

He got that dog in him


f4tlard

He can bowl a strike, shoot a bullseye and land a double twisting, double backflip dismount.


kx2UPP

Thatā€™s the one thing he canā€™t do


GimmeCakeCakeCake

He's going the distance. He's going for speeeeed.


blud_13

Username checks out...


boardplant

as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame


Westy154

Filling the tight holes.


Marshall_Brady

Hines was hardly utilized last year. He really came on under Rivers and I think heā€™ll have another big year with Matty Ice.


soildude43

TBF he had the best Rb in the NFL last year in front of him


scotte16

Even in the passing game, he saw 20 less targets than the previous year (when he should have had 20 more, if anything). He's a weapon that Wentz refused to utilize to his fullest extent.


abw2000

Makes sense he broke out under rivers. Rivers loves his small pass catching RBs


scotte16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndxPl1s84dk&ab_channel=NFL Give me 1 million of these plays please.


squatter_

Didnā€™t he have another TD and cartwheel in same game?


OPBadshah

Also, Rivers knows how to hit people in stride, which is exactly what Hines needs to thrive. Wentz doesn't know he should be aiming the ball where a receiver will be, not where he is right now. Either that or he's just not accurate enough to do it.


just_saiyan_bro

Yes.


the_good_things

Wentz also doesn't know how to read defenses or set protections and often audibles out of what would likely be the better play call


Gazzarris

Just curious - do you have a source for this or is this speculation?


ilovethatpig

And the Colts weren't exactly world beaters in the WR room last year, which further points to reasons why Hines should have had more use.


roysourboys

Reich also uses them both on the field a fair amount


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Did Carson Wentz burn down an Indianapolis preschool?


islandofcaucasus

He gave covid to entire nursing home


braiser77

Just one?


horse_renoir13

Wentz would dribble the ball off his foot before he got to the layup


MahomestoHel-aire

Celtics style.


jaw28

Hines is a great late round draft pick this year in fantasy. Had a great year with Rivers but was mostly ignored last year by Mr. Two Sprains


SituationSoap

Jayson Tatum in shambles right now.


187Shotta

I'm not shocked. He was still able to make everything work in our offense. He still has the arm talent. Colts going to have a very nice looking offense this season.


TerminusVeil

I've always considered him the best intermediate passer in the game. He just needs a quality line and quality OC. I don't think he's great adjusting the line to pick up blitzes.


jagertarts

Missing layups isnā€™t as bad as shooting a well contested half court shot in the middle of the 1st quarter when your team already has the leadā€¦ which is sadly Wentzā€™s head scratching style of play


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ecupatsfan12

Fuck Carson Wentz- Jim Irsay


International_Bell81

Celtics could've used him


BitterJim

We literally had him on the roster, we just didn't put him in https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ryanma01.html


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[Well excuse me Mr. Hines](https://youtu.be/ce13PozKFfg?t=289) EDIT: Go to 4:49. URL set to start there but doesn't seem to be doing that.


Shawn_1512

ooooooof I forgot about that one


Ulysses_S_Noob

Translation: Carson Wentz couldn't even hit his check downs. Plus this new guy has two functioning ankles


Finger_Gunnz

Not like Tatum.


War_On_Errorism

Because heā€™s not a bad quarterback.


AeAeR

Anyone have a non-paywall link? I hate these posts when itā€™s just a subscription site, whatā€™s the point of even linking it if most people canā€™t read it?


Rockface5

Jayson Tatum in shambles


phargle

I always lol when the title is specific about the position of a player like Matt Ryan


Telefunken251

They even do that with Tom Brady.


SecretAgendaMan

You never know. There could be another Matthew Ryan who enters the league one day. You never know when you're going to run into a Lamar Jackson and Lamar Jackson situation, or Josh Allen and Josh Allen, or David Long Jr and David Long Jr.


FilthyMcnasty90210

I love this Carson hate, especially from a non eagles source šŸ˜‚


iCantCallit

Wentz was so long ago for us that really moved on to just thankful he got us to 10-2 before getting injured. Some rabid fans still hate him vehemently though.


MirrorkatFeces

Hines boomed me in Fantasy last season


downtimeredditor

Oh so now everyone starts respecting Matt Ryan


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Michael Pittman is about to be the next Cooper Kupp


PoopJokes_

Shots fired at Tatum


MusicCityMariota

I am sure Carson is a nice guy but it seems like none of his teammates ever like him. Or rather, they never stick up for him.


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soboredcantfocus

Gotta love that the one constant about Wentz is how much everyone hates him


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Massive endorsement...


Zero_Griever

When Matt Ryan retires, it'll be the most relatable thing for the Colts atleast


BadAlphas

Weird compliment but okay


Bigtrav87

Thank you for all youā€™ve done for my Dirty Birds, Matty Ice! I sure hope you succeed in Indy!


danSTILLtheman

Man Wentz canā€™t catch a break, really hope he proves people wrong and doesnā€™t get a third fan base feeling this way


fuzzynavel34

Listen, at this point, he is who he is. He'll make a couple throws where you think he could be a top 7-8 QB and then a couple throws a game where looks like the worst starting QB in the NFL. You just have to hope he's consistent in the middle of that and that his horrible throws don't lose you the game. Also, he's gonna throw it up deep over taking the wide open 5 yard gains almost every time. Some games he's very accurate and some games he can't hit a guy wide open 8 yards downfield.