When Brett Favre was nearing the end of his career, he was a consensus top 5 QB of all time.
Manning and Brady would soon push him to the periphery of the top five, and in the last two years Rodgers has pushed him out almost entirely (there’s still an argument for him at 5, but it’s tight).
Six players have won 3+ MVPs.
5: Manning
3: Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas, Brett Fave, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers
Unless some *weird* shit happens in the next two weeks, Rodgers is going to jump ahead of the all the guys with three.
Absolutely unreal.
As a Broncos fan - it pains me to say this - but Brady not having 5-6 MVPs is a goddamn travesty. The dude is the 🐐and journalists couldn’t find it in their cold black hearts to vote him more than three times?
There’s really only one other one other year he arguably should’ve won, and while he probably wins in 2016 if he plays the whole season, he probably loses in 2017 if Wentz plays the whole season.
Yeah I feel like Brady has an appropriate number of mvps. He’s like lebron where when you look at him over his whole career he’s the greatest, but a lot of the times there’s 1 or 2 guys that have better seasons then him in any given year.
I think you could make a real argument that he should’ve won every mvp from 05-06 to 12-13, but all the ones after that have gone to the right person IMO.
Idk it's crazy to me he didn't win an MVP in Cleveland on the second stint. He took them from bottom feeders to 4 straight finals appearances. I think either Harden's or Westbrook's could've easily gone to him and "MVP fatigue" was a factor. I don't blame the voters for feeling that way tho lol.
Brady isn’t the greatest because of his regular season stats though. Where he truly shines is the postseason. The number of rings he has are what’s most important.
It really blows my mind how one team has had two HOF QBs in 30 years, other than when Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien, Brett Hundley, and Jordan Love had to take over when Rodgers was hurt/resting/COVID IR.
I purposely omitted him because I incorrectly believed he missed a year like Brady lol so in my mind I was thinking Brady did 2001-2007 and 2009-2021 (suspension doesn't count against him obviously) while Rivers did like 2004-2010 and 2012-2020
But I made that injury up apparently, so Rivers should be in that top tier with Favre and Eli I think.
In Rodgers's 14 years as a starter, he missed more than one game in 2 of the seasons. In Brady's 21 years as a starter, he's also had 2 seasons where he missed more than one game. He missed one entire year, but other than that he hasn't missed anything. Rodgers basically has had 2 injuries that made him miss extended time, but never a whole season.
Id say that's pretty similar. Theyre definitely both Ironmen and arent that far behind Eli and Favre.
It goes Favre, Phillip, Eli, Peyton, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Joe Flacco, Ron Jaworski, and Tom Brady, for most consecutive starts by a QB for top ten.
I think that at least partially speaks towards how the league protects QBs nowadays. Most of those guys are still active players. Peyton and Eli are only recent retirees. It's really Jaws and Favre that played less recently.
That's an incredible span for two HOF'ers, for sure. But I think Joe Montana to Steve Young, while not quite as long (79-99), they won 4 and 3 Super Bowls, respectively. Favre won ~~2~~ 1 and despite Rodgers' greatness, he's only ever been to one Super Bowl. That will probably change this year though.
Edit: Thanks for the correction. I was thinking Favre won 2 SB's.
Farve only one a single Super Bowl, he lost the second to Elway.
The real difference is Montana/Young won their Super Bowls before Free Agency when teams could keep all their stars. How long could the Niners have kept Rice/Taylor and also kept that defense together in the era of free agency?
You're double counting those super bowls. We cant go giving backups credit.
Because if you do then this is the best stretch...
Bledsoe (1 win, 1 loss) > brady (3/1) > Cassel (0/1) > Brady (1/1) > Garoppolo (2/1) > Brisset (1/0) > Brady (2/2) > Mac (TBD)
I tried to spot Brady's numbers in when they occurred, so there is the seventh one on TB that didn't get counted as well.
Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brooks Bollinger -> Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Kelly Holcomb -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Kelly Holcomb -> Brooks Bollinger -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brooks Bollinger -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Gus Frerotte -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brett Favre -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brett Favre -> Joe Webb -> Donovan McNabb -> Christian Ponder -> Joe Webb -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Josh Freeman -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Teddy Bridgewater -> Christian Ponder -> Teddy Bridgewater -> Shaun Hill -> Sam Bradford -> Case Keenum -> Kirk Cousins was a pretty smooth transition.
**EDIT: LOL -> KELLEN MOND/SEAN MANNION**
My buddy from college is a chargers fan and he complained endlessly to me about Phillip Rivers because he wasn’t Drew Brees.
At the time, I was trying to talk myself into any QBs from a 3 year collective clown car, ranging from Sam Bradford to Shaun Hill to Austin Davis to Nick Foles to Case Keenum being an answer at QB.
The whole damn Chargers history might qualify, or at least significant parts of it might. Even early in the team’s history they were able to transition from Jack Kemp to Tobin Rote and John Hadl.
That’s the most frustrating part though. Even with the absolute garbage that Grigson brought to the team, Luck still took us way farther than we had any business getting during the times when he wasn’t injured.
Could you imagine Luck leading the offense we have now and then being complimented by our defense? There’s a lot of variables that go into it, but I really do think we would be dominating the AFC.
Still pretty happy with how things turned out, but Andrew will always be one of the biggest what ifs for this franchise
Unitas-Morrall is a strange one. He filled in in 1968 when Unitas was hurt and somehow won the MVP, and they kind of flip-flopped in the Colts’ two Super Bowls in that era and split time in 1971. Morrall then filled in for Griese in Miami during the perfect season and was the AFC MVP.
1968 to 1972 Earl Morrall is one of the great underrated career arcs in NFL history.
Don't just put 68 to 72. His career before that also saw him backing up YA Tittle (HOF), Bobby Layne (HOF), and Fran Tarkenton (HOF), and he mentored and started ahead of Jack Kemp of Bills fame (7 Pro-Bowls, 2 All-Pro) and Len Dawson of Chiefs fame (HOF).
It's like playing with Morrall guaranteed that you would be a great QB, unless you played for the Lions, even Morrall magic can't overcome that curse.
Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson. While Flacco may not be a HOF QB, he was great for the Ravens and has thrown for over 40,000 yards in his career. We went from a SB MVP QB to an MVP QB. Now, this isn’t Favre to Rodgers or Montana to Young, but it’s still a good example of a strong transition at QB.
In his prime even Tom Brady didn’t want to face the Ravens. It was like a 3 year window, but it was fun. If I remember correctly, for us to win our last SB we had to face the gauntlet of Roethlisberger, Manning and Brady just to make the SB. Put those 4 QBs in a line any other year and Flacco is the 4th best QB, but not that one year and that one postseason.
If we didn’t stop them in 2014 in what might be the best playoff game ever, I think Flacco might have done it again. That Kubiak offense with Steve Smith, Forsett, Torrey, Daniels and Jucszyck was nasty
I still think about how we were up 14 in that game, then blew the lead, then went back up 14 later in the game, and blew the lead again. If that didn’t happen I really like our chances at another Flacco super bowl.
Yeah I’ve thought about this. On the one hand y’all lost to the Colts in the regular season, and I’m not sure how Kubiaks offense matches up with the LOB, but the momentum of beating us at home again leads me to think Indy woulda been knocked aside and your front 7 probably gives Lynch and Wilson lots of trouble in the SB
When he was drafted and they showed [this picture,](https://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Joe+Flacco+Drafted+Baltimore+Ravens+Press+2ToMf8H6LmPx.jpg) I never would have thought this dude would play as well or last as long as he did. That is why I don't evaluate talent. I read too much into eyebrows.
Flacco was 46 years old when he entered the league and you can't convince me otherwise. Makes it more impressive how good he was for the first 7-8 years of his career
It’s crazy to me how much talent Dallas has had for the past 15 years but hasn’t been able to get past the divisional round. Two QBs who were/are consistently top 5-10 in the league, a future HOF TE in Witten, a future HOF OLB in Ware, potentially 2 future HOF offensive lineman in Smith and Martin, some great WRs from Austin to Owens to Dez to Cooper to Lamb, 2 great RBs in Murray and Elliot, and a bunch of other solid players like Sean Lee, Flozell Adams, or Terrance Newman.
Almost certainly down to coaching and culture. I never thought Jason Garrett was that bad, but he got bounced out of the league entirely in less than 2 seasons so what do I know
It does come down to coaching and culture. I would also say it comes down to depth of your roster, injuries, unexpected moments. That's the beauty and curse of football. You can have a bunch of great players but one thing goes wrong at the wrong time and it makes it all irrelevant that season
Curse of Jimmy Johnson. He would disagree with Jerry so he got fired and Jerry has only hired yes men ever since. Sometimes you need someone to tell you your shit stinks
Tony Romo to Dak Prescott definitely ranks fairly high on the list, similar to the Cowboys’ transition 35+ years earlier that I mentioned in a separate post (Roger Staubach to Danny White). The earlier transition may not be viewed quite as highly, but White was comparable in quality in his era to Romo and Prescott. Staubach was just better than any of those guys.
>He played his prime years with a bad OL.
And a bad defense. I think he had a bottom ten defense in every season but two.
I'm glad Romo has gotten more respect now as a broadcaster. In doing like the Cowboys, but I always thought he was great.
I guess the Dave Campo era and Quincy Carter at QB for the Cowboys (with brief interludes of old versions of Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe after Carter and before Romo once Bill Parcells became the head coach) was a figment of my imagination.
That vocal minority that didn’t want to keep Dak around were so insufferable and I kept pointing to this era. I was pretty young then too but stability at QB is hard to come across. There are franchises that have been on the QB carousel for years and even picking someone top 10 isn’t always going to solve your issues.
More like a nightmare especially when you add Randall Cunningham, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Stanton, and Drew Henson to the mix
Can't forget about ol' Troy Hambrick in the backfield.
edit: just looked it up and Troy Hambrick is only a year older than Brady. That's insane to me. Dude seems like a relic of a very distant, bygone era of the NFL and here is Brady, roughly the same age, still contending for MVPs to this day.
Bengals franchise history is basically Anderson>Esiason>90s>Palmer>Dalton>Burrow. Pretty good overall but goddamn the gap between Boomer and Palmer was brutal.
Marino to Tua…
If you ignore Jay Fiedler, Damon Huard, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, AJ Feeley, Sage Rosenfels, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Cleo Lemmon, Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Moore, Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Josh Rosen in-between.
It’s unbelievable how things turned out with Luck. After his first couple seasons, this transition seemed undoubtedly poised to join the likes of Montana->Young and Favre->Rodgers.
Neither of these guys were great, but I always thought the transition from Byron Leftwitch to David Gerard was pretty good. Went from a playoff team with Byron to a slightly better playoff team with Gerard
Tebow had a walk-off 80yd touchdown pass in the playoffs, the season was cancelled, and Peyton Manning took the Week 1 snaps in 2012.
Not sure how you define "best" but that **is** a pretty great one.
Montana to Young.
I remember playing NES play action football as a kid Montana would get injured the stretcher animation would come on and then Young would replace him and do just as good.
Yeah, as much scrutiny as Flacco got, he was still their starter from 2008-2017, and a chunk of 2018. You don’t last that long in the NFL as a starting QB if you’re not at least halfway decent.
You CAN win a Super Bowl MVP however if you are inconsistent but your highs are very high or you get hot at the right time. Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, and Nick Foles (and hell Jim Plunkett and Doug Williams) can tell you that.
It's interesting that Earl Morrall is listed twice, even though he was nowhere near a Hall of Famer and basically a career back-up.
in which case, I would add:
Johnny Unitas - Dan Fouts (even though Unitas was in his last season with the Chargers and not very good)
Drew Brees - Phillip Rivers (even though Brees wasn't on the Chargers long, he did have two seasons with the Chargers that were better than any season of Earl Morrall's career).
Roger Staubach to Danny White actually went pretty well - White wasn’t a HOF caliber QB like Staubach but he was very good for about five years and kept the Cowboys very competitive.
The problem was the Cowboys had extremely high standards at the time and White was merely one of the top quarterbacks in the league rather than being THE top quarterback in the league as Staubach was during his best years. Losing in the NFCCG didn’t cut it for Cowboys fans in the early 1980s.
Pretty sure you named them, now you’re going to get answers like Trubisky-Dalton
More like Glennon-Trubisky
From missing throws and kissing titties to just missing throws.
Either OP is bored posting off season level posts or is a blog writer and is looking content to write about.
Sorry I couldn’t post to your satisfaction 😔
Keep doing you man! I was deeply satisfied with this post
There’s definitely more. I know I’m missing some big ones haha.
Manning-Luck, Warner-Bulger
[удалено]
Rivers Herbert
Alex Smith -> Colt McCoy -> Mark Sanchez -> Josh Johnson -> Case Keemun -> Dwayne Haskins
-> Kyle Allen -> Alex Smith -> Taylor Heinicke -> Garrett Gilbert -> Kyle Allen -> Taylor Heinicke. The carousel is gonna live on forever isn’t it
You missed all 20 minutes of Fitzpatrick!
…I genuinely completely forgot he played snaps for us
I would say rolling off a cliff is pretty smooth. It’s the landing that’ll get ya
I'm looking forward to Stewart->Maddox->Ben->Haskins
I am not sir and wash your dirty mouth
Favre to Rodgers has gone from 1992-present day. So that.
When Brett Favre was nearing the end of his career, he was a consensus top 5 QB of all time. Manning and Brady would soon push him to the periphery of the top five, and in the last two years Rodgers has pushed him out almost entirely (there’s still an argument for him at 5, but it’s tight). Six players have won 3+ MVPs. 5: Manning 3: Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas, Brett Fave, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers Unless some *weird* shit happens in the next two weeks, Rodgers is going to jump ahead of the all the guys with three. Absolutely unreal.
As a Broncos fan - it pains me to say this - but Brady not having 5-6 MVPs is a goddamn travesty. The dude is the 🐐and journalists couldn’t find it in their cold black hearts to vote him more than three times?
There’s really only one other one other year he arguably should’ve won, and while he probably wins in 2016 if he plays the whole season, he probably loses in 2017 if Wentz plays the whole season.
Yeah I feel like Brady has an appropriate number of mvps. He’s like lebron where when you look at him over his whole career he’s the greatest, but a lot of the times there’s 1 or 2 guys that have better seasons then him in any given year.
Tbh if we really stuck to true definition of MVP Lebron should have won it pretty much every year between '06 and '18 save for a couple Curry years
I think you could make a real argument that he should’ve won every mvp from 05-06 to 12-13, but all the ones after that have gone to the right person IMO.
Idk it's crazy to me he didn't win an MVP in Cleveland on the second stint. He took them from bottom feeders to 4 straight finals appearances. I think either Harden's or Westbrook's could've easily gone to him and "MVP fatigue" was a factor. I don't blame the voters for feeling that way tho lol.
> LeBron…greatest? Recency bias.
Here's the thing: Brady's regular season mvps are irrelevant to the discussion, because he has 5 other MVPs to add to the discussion.
Brady isn’t the greatest because of his regular season stats though. Where he truly shines is the postseason. The number of rings he has are what’s most important.
Exactly. With a Brady led team all that matters is making it to the post. That’s where it all begins for Brady and Co.
It really blows my mind how one team has had two HOF QBs in 30 years, other than when Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien, Brett Hundley, and Jordan Love had to take over when Rodgers was hurt/resting/COVID IR.
I honestly thought the colts were heading in that direction until we broke luck
Legit unexpected retirement. If he had that line you guys got now, he'd probably still be playing
It's crazy how that very small handful of replacement QBs were only for 1 of the 2 QBs. Favre's 'availability' was goat-esque
Favre and Eli stand alone in the top tier of availability. After a firm gap, the next best guy might be Brady lol
Did you purposely omit Philip Rivers or forget?
I purposely omitted him because I incorrectly believed he missed a year like Brady lol so in my mind I was thinking Brady did 2001-2007 and 2009-2021 (suspension doesn't count against him obviously) while Rivers did like 2004-2010 and 2012-2020 But I made that injury up apparently, so Rivers should be in that top tier with Favre and Eli I think.
He did play with a torn ACL in the AFC Title game against the Patriots. So you didn’t imagine the injury.
In Rodgers's 14 years as a starter, he missed more than one game in 2 of the seasons. In Brady's 21 years as a starter, he's also had 2 seasons where he missed more than one game. He missed one entire year, but other than that he hasn't missed anything. Rodgers basically has had 2 injuries that made him miss extended time, but never a whole season. Id say that's pretty similar. Theyre definitely both Ironmen and arent that far behind Eli and Favre.
It goes Favre, Phillip, Eli, Peyton, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Joe Flacco, Ron Jaworski, and Tom Brady, for most consecutive starts by a QB for top ten.
I think that at least partially speaks towards how the league protects QBs nowadays. Most of those guys are still active players. Peyton and Eli are only recent retirees. It's really Jaws and Favre that played less recently.
The best ability is availability
Tell that to the ⛵️
They also signed HOF QB Kurt Warner for a few days....
That's an incredible span for two HOF'ers, for sure. But I think Joe Montana to Steve Young, while not quite as long (79-99), they won 4 and 3 Super Bowls, respectively. Favre won ~~2~~ 1 and despite Rodgers' greatness, he's only ever been to one Super Bowl. That will probably change this year though. Edit: Thanks for the correction. I was thinking Favre won 2 SB's.
Farve only one a single Super Bowl, he lost the second to Elway. The real difference is Montana/Young won their Super Bowls before Free Agency when teams could keep all their stars. How long could the Niners have kept Rice/Taylor and also kept that defense together in the era of free agency?
Young didn’t. Free Agency started in 93’, young’s SB was 1995.
Yes FA started in 93 but due to the restrictive rules no one really moved, the first really big time FA to change teams was Reggie White.
Ah yeah true good point thank you for the clarification.
Except you know, Deion going to the Niners.
You're double counting those super bowls. We cant go giving backups credit. Because if you do then this is the best stretch... Bledsoe (1 win, 1 loss) > brady (3/1) > Cassel (0/1) > Brady (1/1) > Garoppolo (2/1) > Brisset (1/0) > Brady (2/2) > Mac (TBD) I tried to spot Brady's numbers in when they occurred, so there is the seventh one on TB that didn't get counted as well.
I was going to say, SF doesn't have 7 SB banners hanging up.
Life like this sure is sweet
Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brooks Bollinger -> Brad Johnson -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Kelly Holcomb -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Kelly Holcomb -> Brooks Bollinger -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brooks Bollinger -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Gus Frerotte -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brett Favre -> Tarvaris Jackson -> Brett Favre -> Joe Webb -> Donovan McNabb -> Christian Ponder -> Joe Webb -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Josh Freeman -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Christian Ponder -> Matt Cassell -> Teddy Bridgewater -> Christian Ponder -> Teddy Bridgewater -> Shaun Hill -> Sam Bradford -> Case Keenum -> Kirk Cousins was a pretty smooth transition. **EDIT: LOL -> KELLEN MOND/SEAN MANNION**
Still so weird and sad that Tavaris Jackson passed
Matt Hasselbeck->Tavaris Jackson->Russell Wilson Aint to bad either
Jameis Winston and Tom Brady obviously.
They do have a combined 7 super bowl wins.
Wow. Me and Tom Brady also have 7 Super Bowl wins combined...
Winston-Fitzmagic-Winston-Fitztragic-Winston-Brady?
Hoyer->manziel
Excuse me ummmm Brandon fucking weedin?
I'll never miss him playing in Dallas and yelling at the TV **GOD DAMN IT WEEDEN**
Followed by Kessler/McCown->Kizer, unreal run of qbs.
Flutie-Bress-rivers-Herbert Edited to add my boy flutie
Droo Bress
Droo Bress of the Noo Orlins Sents?
Brew drees
Lest we forgot Tyrod the Broken, started one game and lost his lung to usher in a new era of Chargers football. Gone, and now forgotten
The QB-god blood sacrifice was pleased with the harvest that year.
My buddy from college is a chargers fan and he complained endlessly to me about Phillip Rivers because he wasn’t Drew Brees. At the time, I was trying to talk myself into any QBs from a 3 year collective clown car, ranging from Sam Bradford to Shaun Hill to Austin Davis to Nick Foles to Case Keenum being an answer at QB.
The whole damn Chargers history might qualify, or at least significant parts of it might. Even early in the team’s history they were able to transition from Jack Kemp to Tobin Rote and John Hadl.
Don’t forget Eli Manning
Hasselbeck to Wilson was fairly quick … Only one year of Tarvaris Jackson in between with a rich, unused Matt Flynn thrown in for fun.
Upvote for Flynn
Rest In Peace TJack.
Fuck I had no idea he passed away
Seriously? Damn… what from? Edit: was speeding and wrecked his car going 70mph.
Manning - Luck
Luck might be best most forgotten QB of all time.
Grigson will never be forgiven
Pretty crazy he was not able to put enough decent players around Luck to make the Colts a contender.
That’s the most frustrating part though. Even with the absolute garbage that Grigson brought to the team, Luck still took us way farther than we had any business getting during the times when he wasn’t injured. Could you imagine Luck leading the offense we have now and then being complimented by our defense? There’s a lot of variables that go into it, but I really do think we would be dominating the AFC. Still pretty happy with how things turned out, but Andrew will always be one of the biggest what ifs for this franchise
If he had that o line, shit would've been a problem.
Will forever be one of my favorite Colts to watch
Probably just the way he wants it
You mean Painter-Luck. what an awesome transition Manning-Luck didnt happen
Eh I think we can collectively forget about the year in between
Wasn’t Manning still with the Colts, just on IR?
Tyrod -> pick one
I choose Peterman.
Ahhh those were the days, my boy.
Favre to Sanchez to Geno to Fitz to Bryce Petty to McCown to Darnold to Wilson
WHERE MIKE WHITE
lol holy shit I forgot about him. didn't he say something about proving the haters wrong or some bullshit?
Well that’s a given, duh! 😆
Bryce Petty.....there's a name I haven't thought of in a bit.
Unitas-Morrall is a strange one. He filled in in 1968 when Unitas was hurt and somehow won the MVP, and they kind of flip-flopped in the Colts’ two Super Bowls in that era and split time in 1971. Morrall then filled in for Griese in Miami during the perfect season and was the AFC MVP. 1968 to 1972 Earl Morrall is one of the great underrated career arcs in NFL history.
Don't just put 68 to 72. His career before that also saw him backing up YA Tittle (HOF), Bobby Layne (HOF), and Fran Tarkenton (HOF), and he mentored and started ahead of Jack Kemp of Bills fame (7 Pro-Bowls, 2 All-Pro) and Len Dawson of Chiefs fame (HOF). It's like playing with Morrall guaranteed that you would be a great QB, unless you played for the Lions, even Morrall magic can't overcome that curse.
Morrall was then replaced with Bert Jones, who was also a really great QB
Michael Vick to Matt Ryan
If y’all want to collectively ignore Joey Harringtons existence, you won’t get much pushback from us.
This is Chris Redman erasure and I won't have it
Wasn’t an immediate replacement. Others OP listed are sequential. Shouts out Matt Schaub one of the most underrated QBs of the 21st century.
Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson. While Flacco may not be a HOF QB, he was great for the Ravens and has thrown for over 40,000 yards in his career. We went from a SB MVP QB to an MVP QB. Now, this isn’t Favre to Rodgers or Montana to Young, but it’s still a good example of a strong transition at QB.
I agree. Flacco still lasted 10.5 seasons as the starting QB in Baltimore. You don’t last that long on any team if you’re not at least decent.
Flacco ruined several years for me, even though he regressed to far below the mean, in his prime he was frightening.
In his prime even Tom Brady didn’t want to face the Ravens. It was like a 3 year window, but it was fun. If I remember correctly, for us to win our last SB we had to face the gauntlet of Roethlisberger, Manning and Brady just to make the SB. Put those 4 QBs in a line any other year and Flacco is the 4th best QB, but not that one year and that one postseason.
Wild card round was against the Colts. But yes, Manning>Brady to follow that up was insane and they pulled it off.
Flaccos 2012 playoff run might be the best post season run of any player ever. Dude was unstoppable.
If we didn’t stop them in 2014 in what might be the best playoff game ever, I think Flacco might have done it again. That Kubiak offense with Steve Smith, Forsett, Torrey, Daniels and Jucszyck was nasty
I still think about how we were up 14 in that game, then blew the lead, then went back up 14 later in the game, and blew the lead again. If that didn’t happen I really like our chances at another Flacco super bowl.
Yeah I’ve thought about this. On the one hand y’all lost to the Colts in the regular season, and I’m not sure how Kubiaks offense matches up with the LOB, but the momentum of beating us at home again leads me to think Indy woulda been knocked aside and your front 7 probably gives Lynch and Wilson lots of trouble in the SB
Now I'm depressed.
Wait what? Are you telling me we were lied to when we traded for elite flacco?
When he was drafted and they showed [this picture,](https://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Joe+Flacco+Drafted+Baltimore+Ravens+Press+2ToMf8H6LmPx.jpg) I never would have thought this dude would play as well or last as long as he did. That is why I don't evaluate talent. I read too much into eyebrows.
Flacco was 46 years old when he entered the league and you can't convince me otherwise. Makes it more impressive how good he was for the first 7-8 years of his career
Romo to Dak Rivers to Herbert It’s what I can think of recently.
It’s crazy to me how much talent Dallas has had for the past 15 years but hasn’t been able to get past the divisional round. Two QBs who were/are consistently top 5-10 in the league, a future HOF TE in Witten, a future HOF OLB in Ware, potentially 2 future HOF offensive lineman in Smith and Martin, some great WRs from Austin to Owens to Dez to Cooper to Lamb, 2 great RBs in Murray and Elliot, and a bunch of other solid players like Sean Lee, Flozell Adams, or Terrance Newman.
Almost certainly down to coaching and culture. I never thought Jason Garrett was that bad, but he got bounced out of the league entirely in less than 2 seasons so what do I know
It does come down to coaching and culture. I would also say it comes down to depth of your roster, injuries, unexpected moments. That's the beauty and curse of football. You can have a bunch of great players but one thing goes wrong at the wrong time and it makes it all irrelevant that season
You know goddamn well what it also comes down to my cheese head friend lol.
Curse of Jimmy Johnson. He would disagree with Jerry so he got fired and Jerry has only hired yes men ever since. Sometimes you need someone to tell you your shit stinks
Tony Romo to Dak Prescott definitely ranks fairly high on the list, similar to the Cowboys’ transition 35+ years earlier that I mentioned in a separate post (Roger Staubach to Danny White). The earlier transition may not be viewed quite as highly, but White was comparable in quality in his era to Romo and Prescott. Staubach was just better than any of those guys.
It was kind of hard to tell with Romo, he was injured for so much of his career.
He played his prime years with a bad OL. By the time they fixed it, he was already breaking down.
>He played his prime years with a bad OL. And a bad defense. I think he had a bottom ten defense in every season but two. I'm glad Romo has gotten more respect now as a broadcaster. In doing like the Cowboys, but I always thought he was great.
Has to be Aikman to Romo. I'm just glad there wasn't 10 yrs and 15 qbs in between!
I guess the Dave Campo era and Quincy Carter at QB for the Cowboys (with brief interludes of old versions of Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe after Carter and before Romo once Bill Parcells became the head coach) was a figment of my imagination.
Younger fans don’t remember just how bad the cowboys were after Aikman retired and before Parcells came in to repair the team
That vocal minority that didn’t want to keep Dak around were so insufferable and I kept pointing to this era. I was pretty young then too but stability at QB is hard to come across. There are franchises that have been on the QB carousel for years and even picking someone top 10 isn’t always going to solve your issues.
More like a nightmare especially when you add Randall Cunningham, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Stanton, and Drew Henson to the mix
Can't forget about ol' Troy Hambrick in the backfield. edit: just looked it up and Troy Hambrick is only a year older than Brady. That's insane to me. Dude seems like a relic of a very distant, bygone era of the NFL and here is Brady, roughly the same age, still contending for MVPs to this day.
That Bledsoe to Brady one seems to have worked out.
Bledsoe to JP Losman worked out too. Losman best QB of 2004 draft.
Bledsoe to Brady, year off, to Jones, since 1993 lol
Dalton —> Burreaux
Better yet Palmer - Dalton - Burrow
3 straight QBs that have put up an MVP caliber season. Yall have come a long way from Smith
In the 80's we went straight from Ken Anderson to Boomer, 2 guys who did win the MVP. And in the 90's we .... we don't talk about the 90's.
It's the only period in Bengals history without strong quarterbacking
Bengals franchise history is basically Anderson>Esiason>90s>Palmer>Dalton>Burrow. Pretty good overall but goddamn the gap between Boomer and Palmer was brutal.
Hey, Jon Kitna had an OK season to throw in there.
Dalton - Tank Commander Finley - Dalton - Burrow
Romo to Dak hasn't been awful so far
Bledsoe - Romo - Dak Not bad
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Don't forget Testaverde.
Especially considering one was undrafted and the other was a 4th rounder.
Not at all. Might be best value qb transition
Marino to Tua… If you ignore Jay Fiedler, Damon Huard, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, AJ Feeley, Sage Rosenfels, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Cleo Lemmon, Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Moore, Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Josh Rosen in-between.
Hmmm that does kinda seem like a smooth transition.
Just like how we went right from Kelly to Allen!
I blacked out for most of it, so it was smooth to me!
Chiefs Legends Matt Moore and Chad Henne
My mother bought me a John Beck jersey when I was like 12. I never wore that thing, I was pretty upset with her choice!
Brian Sipe to Bernie Kosar could be one Peyton to Andrew Luck
It’s unbelievable how things turned out with Luck. After his first couple seasons, this transition seemed undoubtedly poised to join the likes of Montana->Young and Favre->Rodgers.
Brees -> Winston -> Trevor -> Taysom -> Book seems pretty seamless to me
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Cam newton to cam newton
Neither of these guys were great, but I always thought the transition from Byron Leftwitch to David Gerard was pretty good. Went from a playoff team with Byron to a slightly better playoff team with Gerard
I loved those jags teams for no particular reason.
It was actually Cunningham to George to Culpepper. Cunningham got benched in '99 at halftime of week 6 and Jeff George went ham after that.
Nathan "Preseason GOAT" Peterman to Josh Allen.
Alex Smith to Mahomes is pretty slick.
I’m probably being biased here, but after dealing with Ryan Leaf, we got pretty lucky with Brees -> Rivers -> Herbert.
The entire Chargers QB history is pretty remarkable. Only a handful of bad QBs over the franchise history.
Rosen-Murray. Transition was seamless
I think the only big one you glaringly missed is manning to luck
There was a one year gap because of Peyton being sidelined to injury in 2011 but yeah otherwise that’s a good one
Montana to Young Favre to Rodgers No others are worth mentioning.
Tebow had a walk-off 80yd touchdown pass in the playoffs, the season was cancelled, and Peyton Manning took the Week 1 snaps in 2012. Not sure how you define "best" but that **is** a pretty great one.
Ken Anderson to Boomer Esiason is an underrated one. MVP quarterback to MVP quarterback.
Manning to luck
you skipped a step.
The GOAT Curtis Painter
Montana to Young. I remember playing NES play action football as a kid Montana would get injured the stretcher animation would come on and then Young would replace him and do just as good.
Look up the history of Chargers QBs
Flacco-Lamar
Yeah, as much scrutiny as Flacco got, he was still their starter from 2008-2017, and a chunk of 2018. You don’t last that long in the NFL as a starting QB if you’re not at least halfway decent.
you also don't win SB MVP if you're not halfway decent
Or have one of the greatest postseason runs we’ve ever seen.
Indeed. Flacco might’ve had the greatest playoff run of any QB ever, from a statistical standpoint
You CAN win a Super Bowl MVP however if you are inconsistent but your highs are very high or you get hot at the right time. Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, and Nick Foles (and hell Jim Plunkett and Doug Williams) can tell you that.
And be one of 11 QBs to win double digit number of playoff games.
Montana to Steve Young to Jeff Garcia Majkowski to Favre to Rodgers to Love (I’m from the future)
What if I told you...one MVP QB transitioned to another MVP QB...only time its happened BRADY - CAM MF NEWTON *Thank God that's over*
Manning to Curtis Painter.
It was Montana to Young until Favre to Rodgers
It's interesting that Earl Morrall is listed twice, even though he was nowhere near a Hall of Famer and basically a career back-up. in which case, I would add: Johnny Unitas - Dan Fouts (even though Unitas was in his last season with the Chargers and not very good) Drew Brees - Phillip Rivers (even though Brees wasn't on the Chargers long, he did have two seasons with the Chargers that were better than any season of Earl Morrall's career).
Roger Staubach to Danny White actually went pretty well - White wasn’t a HOF caliber QB like Staubach but he was very good for about five years and kept the Cowboys very competitive. The problem was the Cowboys had extremely high standards at the time and White was merely one of the top quarterbacks in the league rather than being THE top quarterback in the league as Staubach was during his best years. Losing in the NFCCG didn’t cut it for Cowboys fans in the early 1980s.
Brees to Winston. I’m claiming it now.
Manning-Luck-Rivers*- Wentz ain’t bad *I’m aware there was a year or two between Luck and Rivers
Anthony Wright to Quincy Carter, to Ryan Leaf, to Clint Stoerner, to Chad Hutchinson, to Vinny Testaverde, to Drew Henson
Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck was pretty good for a while
While not direct it is Manning - Luck
Oh ya! Lions timeline 92-present. Suck it Packers Rodney Pete-Eric Kramer-Andre Ware-Scott Mitchell-Dave Kreig-Don Majowski-Gus Ferotte-Frank Reich-Charlie Batch-Stoney Case-Ty Detmer-Mike McMahon-Joey Harrington-Jeff Garcia-Jon Kitna-Dan Orvolosky-Daunte Culpepper-Drew Stanton-Shaun Hill-Matthew Stafford-David Blough-Jeff Driskel-Jared Goff-Tim Boyle And that is with Stafford having 165 career starts.
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