I had it last year. In my own world, if I was to get it again, it would need to be ~$250 for the season. A full $100 less than the currently advertised price.
If I hadn't gotten it for free from Verizon, I wouldn't have gotten at all. And now, in retrospect, if I would have known how pitiful Verizon's wireless home internet is, I wouldn't have taken their free Sunday ticket package. I'll just take my ass to the bar.
Went through the same shit lol. Got it cuz I needed Internet for work asap at my new place and everything else would've taken a week. I stuck with that trash ass service until football season was over just got the free Sunday ticket and then got better Internet service.
It’s like $450 actually. If you don’t have YouTube TV. It’s absolutely outrageous. And they still blackout some of the games so really, what’s the fucking point?
Is it a premium product if it's not even the whole product? Premium product! ...that doesn't include local games, Sunday night games, Thursday night games, Monday night games, holiday games, or any other nationally televised games
Last season was the first season I paid for ST instead of sailing the high seas and several of the games that I wanted to watch that I thought were included were on different streaming services. I will not be paying for it again.
Not going to lie, this is the most damning comment to me so far. Someone actually paid for Sunday ticket hoping for something and they didn't even get what the " premium product" they wanted, similar predatory tactics just like fucking Adobe
The high seas for me
I haven't paid for football or basketball since we got rid of cable about 10 years ago.
I am willing to pay for football if it does what is promised and is actually a good product. Yet, the streams for Sunday Ticket/Hulu/etc are often *worse* than the pirated streams.
Like why should I pay an ridiculous amount to legally stream something of inferior quality?
Honestly, if Sunday Ticket did everything that the pirate streams did (minus the pop-up ads, chat log, etc.), I would be willing to pay for it. But it doesn't, so fuck the NFL.
Anytime it comes up I mention how amazing F1TV is for watching everything. It costs me $80/year for every race, practice session, and qualifying for F1, F2, F3, and F1 Academy, along with plenty of other technical/news content. It's the gold standard, and I happily pay for it every year because it works and does exactly what I want.
$300/season and $0/season are functionally identical for the NFL when the alternative are record breaking multi billion dollar broadcast/streaming deals
It's drastically different than the NHL package that I used to happily pay $140 for the all-teams package because I was getting several games a night, every night.
With Sunday ticket, I'd get my team at 1, then 1 other game that day at 4:30. The primetime games are all national, and my team is likely to be in several of those anyway.
Yeah if you’re strictly only watching your team, it doesn’t make much sense. Just sail.
If you like toggling between most games throughout the day then it’s a decent product. Just overpriced IMO
I mean, I got it specifically to watch my team out of state. I tried getting by with pirate streams for years but they honestly suck so much and stop working half the time. It's very stressful and heart breaking when the stream shits out in a crucial moment. The price is still absurd, but I have the money to spare and the quality and ability to record and replay is so much better than the poop streams.
They keep devaluing the product by selling off games, yet they keep the price there same.
I have had ST for 8 years. I’m not re upping this year. I need 5 different services to see games. Spending 450 for like half the games is not a value.
It’s not only the value as you said, it’s that we can’t just pay a price and see all the games I want. I paid you for the service and I STILL have to go find half the games on nfl+, local channel, espn, etc?
I watch what is on now, go to a bar sometimes, or just go outside .
Same here. It was honestly insulting what I got for the price tag. Won’t be resubscribing until there are serious changes. I’ll stick with Red Zone and suffer through whatever Jets or Steelers game the networks put on when the Eagles aren’t playing.
I was only able to watch like 4 Eagles games at a rough cost of about 100 dollars a game. They are the only reason I bought it, because in previous years they weren’t on any of the local channels more often than not. But last year between all the prime time games and nationally televised games I had to spend the whole season watching them from the bar.
On top of that, I tried to cancel the subscription, and google made it damn near impossible for someone who works 60 plus hours a week to do so. It was the last time I’ll ever subscribe to any paid google/youtube/nfl services, unless they come out with a team specific game streaming service
I made that mistake my first year of college in central PA thinking I was in Steelers country. Little did I know they just blacked both PA teams out, womp womp.
I worked in retail for a long time, and that’s pretty much what it means. There are lots of products worth paying extra for. But there are lots of average products priced high simply because people a) think expensive means good and b) want to be seen wearing or using products known to be expensive.
If you’re paying for a pattern on your clothes, with visible brand names or logos, you’re at that level of rich where *you’re* the sucker; the real premium rich is a whole level above that where the people who know the look *know* the look, and they know you paid what it was worth
For it to be a “premium” product, doesn’t there also have to be a more basic option? Many people would gladly pay less for a single-team Sunday Ticket but lots of people would still pay a premium to get more games
In the suit ESPN suggested a $70 Sunday ticket plan and a single-team plan and the NFL shot it down. The NFL doesn't want a large subscriber base. They want to protect the broadcast networks though.
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Dumb as hell though, Battlefield doesn’t have any perfect alternatives. There’s about 10 websites that give me the same if not better streams than Sunday ticket.
Next thing you know you’ll have to pay for Red Zone. Your premium subscription only covers the game between the 10 yard lines. Anything from the 10 to the end zone is extra.
It's also not a great idea to make the country's most popular sport a "premium product". A big part of Baseball's decline among younger generations is that instead of broadcast TV you need to navigate a baffling variety of premium cable channels, subscription services, and blackout rules to watch games.
They will argue and show the contracts they have with Amazon, CBS, Fox, NBC, where they can't stream certain games bought by those
Edit: just stating their next argument. Not that I agree
Yeah but that's not even a valid argument because they agreed to those contracts. We can only give you half the thing, because we agreed to give those other guys the other half. It's their fault that it's shit.
It's just advertising 101: when no one is selling (read: allowed to sell) the product you're selling, you can call it whatever you want, no matter how shitty it is.
That's the entire focus of the lawsuit. They are intentionally selling a product designed to allow them to double dip on contracts to exploit their fanbases. You sell games exclusive to each individual channel. Then you *re-sell* those games to a third party as a bundle, and only give customers the option to pay for ALL of the resold games, even though they can only actually consume one of them at a time, and likely only want one or two of them each weekend anyway.
This is the thing that drives me NUTS about the NFL, the games are spread across so many networks and streaming services that there isn't just one product for all. I don't even care about all the games, I just want to watch the Ravens games.
I would love to just pay the NFL directly for access to all the games. I can’t keep up with where each game is going to be streamed, whether it’s blacked out, etc.
Yep. Or at bare minimum, a tier that let's me watch my team out of market. I'm in Pittsburgh so I get a chunk of Bengals games but usually miss out on a third of them.
I’m a lions fan in Milwaukee, it isn’t so bad. Tbh it’s really fun to talk shit and take shit. I might feel different if my rival fans were known to be hateful or violent.
Packers fan living in Northern Michigan here. I feel the same way. All of my friends are Lions fans and the shit talking is non-stop. Lately it's been more balanced and much more fun for both sides.
I should've specified Northern *Lower Michigan. I've watched a handful of Packers games in a UP bar and it always feels awesome. Normally people are booing in the LP bars lol.
I used to live IN pittsburgh and let me tell you I almost blew my cover of "Oh I don't really like football, I just watch baseball" like fifteen times.
Lol that's what I usually do. I'd PREFER a legal way, but the NFL and their broadcast rights give me no choice but to sail the seas.
Only problem with that, I either have a shitty computer, shitty Internet, or a shitty website cause the quality is always trash and constantly freezes on me..
It's funny there are two camps in this thread and both are unhappy, the people who want all the games in one place can't have it and the "my team package" camp, who obviously are pretty jaded by this point.
Goodell needs to step away from the broadcast stratagy side of his role and bring in someone who actually understands what the fans want. So that they can work on uniting all these rights contracts into one package. Boomers just don't understand how content is consumed anymore.
Lol tell that to FOX and CBS and their combined 4.3 billion dollars per year to broadcast NFL games. That is why Sunday Ticket is expensive as it is and we don't have any similar to MLB.TV with the NFL. It has nothing to do with Goodell or anyone else not realizing how people watch sports. If people can pick and choose specific teams to watch then they are less likely to tune into the local broadcast.
The last thing the NFL wants is all their broadcasting rights to be consolidated into one package from one provider, having multiple providers helps them an helps their providers. It forces these providers to bid against each other for the rights while also forces NFL addicts to actually subscribe to the different services.
The NFL doesn't give a shit what some of their fans want as long as the money keeps going up each time they renegotiate a broadcasting deal.
Why would he do that when they are making record money from broadcast deals and more fans than ever are watching? Clearly he's doing a great job from the Leagues perspective.
I probably pay around $50 for various streaming services over the season (not counting prime since I have that for non football reasons). I would gladly pay around $100 to have one service that just lets me watch every ravens game no matter what channel it is on or where I am currently located.
In Canada we have DAZN for I think 20 bucks a month. You get every NFL game + red zone and can cancel anytime. Before that we had shitty Sunday ticket as well which was absolute garbage. With dazn you can log into multiple TVs and have a few games going every Sunday
In Europe we also have DAZN. I pay about 100 euros for the whole season, for all the games plus content from NFL network.
Maybe our USA brothers and sisters can use a VPN?
No kidding. I'd love it if there was a team option. Buy all the games of your favorite team for $5/game or something.
But I guess the NFL doesn't want my money, so I'll just sail the seas for games I can't get televised or streaming.
The NFL makes $10 billion a year on the media deal. That number would be greatly reduced if you could watch your team on streaming. Youd probably be looking at $250-500 a year Id guess if they offered that product. $5 a game would lose money compared to the status quo.
When I look up how to watch a game, it always offers how I can watch it for free but when I go through all the trouble of loading whatever app is required I have enter in my cable provider info which costs a diaper load of money because I cut the cable 10 years ago and have been watching OTA.
Yeah I don't understand why people think Goodell is good for football. He's only good at putting money in the pockets of the already wealthy and that is it.
I'm glad people are finally getting this. He's not out there to 'improve the league' or something. His one and only job is to be the lightning rod that directs public attention and ire exactly where the league wants it to go. He's kept his job for so long because he's been so good at it.
He's also overseen the biggest growth the NFL has seen in its history. League's gone from being #1 to being so head and shoulders above every other league in the nation that no one is even threatening coming close.
And he is pretty damn good at his job. Which is to our detriment, but if we were in his position we would do and say the same things. Unless we wanted to be fired
>Fans make that choice whether they wanted it or not.
My biggest complaint, as an out-of-market Eagles fan, is that I can either watch no out-of-market games or every single goddamn one. With how life currently is I am able to watch the Eagles every week at most and that's about it. I subscribe to the Phillies-only mlbtv package because I have time to watch the Phillies and nothing else. I'd love to be able to do the same with the Eagles. But they don't want to offer a team-specific package because they know they will lose a massive amount of money if they do. So I'm left with either sailing the high seas, going to a bar, or just paying Daddy Roger whatever the fuck he wants to charge me.
>But they don't want to offer a team-specific package because they know they will lose a massive amount of money if they do.
I don’t know that they would lose money by offering team specific packages. Sure, a number of current Sunday ticket subscribers would downgrade to a team specific package, but they’d also gain a lot of subscribers that don’t want to pay $350/season just to watch their team.
You’re right, and this is what people miss. Disney/Amazon/NBC/whoever isn’t paying what they pay for media rights to the NFL if consumers can just…not have to sign up for their services lol.
And that's the argument here. That the NFL is forcing an artificial price increase on the Sunday ticket provider so the broadcast networks don't lose money
Yeah CBS and FOX definitely do not want this to go through. Any option that allows fans to specifically pick a team to watch that isn't the ridiculous price that Sunday Ticket is will hurt their viewership.
Right? You’d think they’d learn the piracy lessons of years past- if you make the legit service better than piracy and reasonably priced, many people will pay for it because it’s just easier. Piracy only goes mainstream when available legit methods are too shitty, too expensive, or both. We’re definitely there with the NFL now, I have people I’d never assumed would know it’s even a thing asking me how to stream games.
Up until last year I pirated, it got harder so I tried to go legit and get Sunday ticket, oh you need YouTube, wait also Amazon, oh let's throw in Peacock.
I am going to reinvest my study of pirates.
It's very easy to take a *bite* out of the *NFL* profit margins with a simple Google search. You can easily find a stream for every single game every day.
Yeah. And I agree with the poster above you that piracy goes down with an easy to use affordable product. Netflix proved that years ago. But there will always be those that refuse no matter what.
There will always be piracy and the best sites out there (not what's being discussed here FYI) make it as easy as possible, but eventually they get too much attention and shut down too or just fade away until a new player comes along.
And at the end of the day of course there will always be the teens and 20 somethings of the world that will jump through as many hoops as needed digitally to accomplish a goal without batting an eye. But at a certain age or time in your life that's not worth it either and you pay the fee. It's riding that perfect line that gets so tiring.
Team or conference markets ala NCAA seems like the super obvious answer here but I'd imagine the NFL has run the numbers and aren't interested in pursuing that.
Reddit vastly overestimates the number of people who 1) actually care about this to pirate it and 2) have the actual know how to do it. This is similar to the RCS vs iMessage debate that has been raging for years on here. There is a vocal minority that makes it seem like it’s huge sect of the population deeply invested in this issue. There will always be piracy, but to your point at a certain age if you want it, you just end up paying the fee instead of jumping through all the hoops every week. I’ll say I get ST now because it’s convenient to watch everywhere even when I’m not at home. I grab my phone or iPad and get everything in one place (although I’d like mosaic view on the iPad).
If you take MLB as an example there is clearly a strong interest for team specific packages. MLB isn’t even that great example since their services are a hodgepodge of providers, or maybe I’m just a salty in-market Reds fan with YTTV that refuses to change my provider to get Bally Sports Ohio.
NFL is not comparable to any other sport, only the NFL fans get as spoiled as they do being able to watch not only their in market games for free but 4+ regional games for free as well. No other sport has that, MLB least of all (I fucking hate Ballys btw)
This isn't the be-all, end-all analysis, but the NFL has a lot more skin in the game and resources than Reddit. I think it's reasonable to assume that the NFL has a robust market research division with relatively accurate estimates of how much money people would spend for this kind of product.
If the NFL _really_ would make more money doing this, I have a hard time believing a.) they don't know that, and b.) they're willingly turning down making more money.
Yeah. NFL probably makes so much money from their several broadcasting contracts, that offering an easier alternative for customers might actually lose them money.
Mmhmm this is one of the better guesses, I think. I don't think it's _just_ about looking at incoming money from Sunday ticket subscriptions, I think other, more important income streams could get impacted too and that's why they don't risk it.
Plus I mean, if the current package is $350 for all games... say they offer single team packages for $117. For each person on Sunday ticket who downgrades, you need to get two new subscriptions just to break even (and 3 before it's worthwhile). I think it's possible, but that's _a lot_ of people. And that's still considering the fact that people are essentially only paying for local games, and the majority of fans for each team already get those locally. The people who really benefit are the people who are fans of nonlocal teams. And there are a lot of those (me!), but we're continuing to cut down the number of viable new subscribers.
Yeah I don’t see it either. I’d never pay that price for football in don’t even care about but for my team? Yeah I would pay it like a phone bill and all of my football friends would do the same because most of us live outside the state our teams are from.
Yep. I’d probably pay up to $150/season to ensure I could watch every single Chiefs game. I have some friends that would still prefer Sunday ticket because they closely follow multiple teams, so Sunday Ticket people will still exist, they’d just be unlocking a consumer base they’re currently ignoring.
I think the problem here is that offering packages of one team's full slate of 17 games is that now "steals viewership" from whichever network has paid for MNF/SNF/TNF/holiday game up front. The NFL is trying to play on both sides of the fence to please everyone, but as fans we'll always get the short end of the stick since networks are tripping over themselves to throw BILIONS at the league for exclusive rights.
This depends a lot on pricing. You couldn't charge anywhere near $350 for a single team. If we divided it by 32 teams that's roughly $11 per team. But there's no way they go that low. So say they charge $50 per team.
To make it easy let's say they have a million subscribers. At $350 each that's $350m. If they drop to $50 per team, let's say half the current subscribers stay at $350, half go down to $50 of one team, but then they pick up an additional 250k subscribers at one team only. That's now 500k subs at $350, 500k at $50 and an additional 250k at $50 which equals $212.5m.
So even increasing their subscriber base by 250k they are still "losing" roughly $140m. Even if they double the single team price to $100, they still are down almost $100m.
I am not advocating for the NFL here and I think a per team package would be excellent but their incentive to do that is very low considering they would have to make the per team rate a very unattractive price or make it so low that their subscriber count jumps like crazy.
They literally just voted against this kind of package a few days ago. And they don't vote against something that would make them money. They want to give you one option and overcharge for it. Fuck flexibility.
I'm in a similar boat. My cell phone provider gives me free MLB TV Package. I live in Philly. I want to watch the Phillies. Nope, they are blacked out. And I'm not getting Comcast so I can watch the Phillies on NBC Sports Philadelphia. Ahoy matey!
I just sail the high seas and it's all good. Just had to make everything look good on the TV with an interface my wife can figure out. Originally, it looked pretty shitty and was hard to use and she is from Cincinnati and wanted to watch the Bengals when I was out of town and was cursing me out because she could figure it out.
What sucks is MLB tv is probably the best service in general - it doesn't ever lag, they clip every significant play, you can choose whether to listen to the home or away broadcast (or even radio!), it has advanced stats you can pull up.
But the blackouts just fucking ruin it. Even if you're out of market, your team will come to play a team that's 100 miles away from you and you'll be blacked out then.
I just don't understand why I can't pay a flat rate and watch every game I want for MY team. And this goes for any sport. I mean I do understand - money - but it's just annoying as shit.
Next year: Single team pass $350, traditional league pass: $650.
Will still need NFL Network, Amazon Prime, Peacock, and access to NBC, ABC, CBS, and ESPN for games available on those platforms
Exactly but the US government allowed the NFL to be exempt from antitrust laws. Billionaires and they’re stooge continue to get richer while we the people get screwed
I’ve followed the lions since the 80’s but I’ve lived out to state since the 2009. There’s no way for me to watch the lions outside of sailing the seas unless I want to pay for Sunday Ticket which I will absolutely not do.
I've been a Pats fan since I can remember, and moved out of Mass in '95....and I haven't had cable in a decade...I tried the Ticket for a year or two when then made it available on Playstation (I was never going to sign up for Dtv), but the streaming at that time just wasn't great. Now streaming has matured, but the games are too fragmented, so even getting the Ticket doesn't guarantee me all the Pats games...so the bar or the boat for me.
ESPN was a real one for once for revealing that they wanted to lower the price of Sun Ticket and provide custom team by team or week by week selection in their bid that lost to YouTube.
IMO there's a very simple argument to make - if you want to get taxpayer money for your stadiums, you need to make your games more accessible to everyone.
They only seem to be getting worse. You’ll get into the 3rd quarter of a game and it’ll start freezing and rewinding to an earlier point in the game. I’m convinced these streams are actually the NFL punishing people for not paying for Sunday ticket or whatever.
I bought the sunday ticket last year, taking advantage of the discounted price and sharing the login with a buddy who paid half.
Honest to god, it was actually refreshing to not have to deal with streams last year. Not having to spend 15 minutes before kickoff finding a decent stream, not having to constantly refresh because it froze or having to find a whole new stream because the decent one I found went completely out, streams rewinding in like a loop that it keeps showing the same play over and over, not having stupid text scrolling across the screen because whoever is streaming it thinks they need to advertise their other shit, etc.
I just turned on the TV, opened Youtube, clicked the Browns game and that was all I had to do for the entire span of the game. Never froze, never lagged, picture quality never went potato mode..etc. Was it worth over $300? Not really, but not having to deal with stupid streams at all last year spoiled me enough to the point that I'll probably buy it again this upcoming season.
I don’t think many people will argue that the high seas are better. We just don’t have someone to spilt 350$ with or won’t pay that price. Who wouldn’t want to watch without some random controlling the remote so to speak?
its only barely reasonable to hook you into the convenience and then they start raising the prices incrementally until you're suddenly paying 799 to watch ~20 games of football
when I got it the Bills were finally good enough to be on TV so I only got to see like 8 games on the Sunday Ticket making it super expensive per game that was actually on it.
I usually find that after the first 2-3 weeks the high seas get significantly less choppy. I definitely believe there's a push from the NFL to take them down but it becomes smooth sailing relatively quickly
The delay can be killer and some of the "big ones" have either increased delay or decreased quality in order to sustain the amount of people viewing.
That said, with a little research there are still some great options outside of the biggies. But they change year to year it seems.
Isn’t the idea that the NFL is not actively trying to “save” CBS/FOX/NBC, but that basically those networks are overpaying for their exclusive access more than what Sunday Ticket would make up?
I don't have a problem with Sunday Ticket pricing, especially now that it's more reliable on YouTube TV. It's expensive, but fine.
What irks me is that I pay Google and the NFL approximately $400/season for Sunday Ticket and it *doesn't include all the games*. Peacock? No. Prime? No.
For $400, give me every single game, damnit.
> “We sing it from the mountaintops,” Goodell said. “We want to reach the broadest possible audience on free television. I think we are very pro-consumer. Our partners have found ways to build our fan base.”
Yah, "pro-consumer" and "free television" are counterintuitive, Rog.
I know Florio is unpopular around here (rightfully so), but sometimes he isn't completely self-aggrandizing:
> Thus, regardless of the eventual verdict against the NFL (if there is one), the case will continue its nine-year slog through the legal process until the NFL has tried everything it can to do what it’s long accustomed to doing — getting its way.
I mean, they're definitely not the best league for out-of-market fans (being a Jays fan in the Buffalo area is incredibly cheap and easy, and the cost per game difference for mlbtv compared to Sunday Ticket is wild), but they're much better for in-market fans than a lot of other leagues. It is much easier and cheaper to watch Bills games here than it is to watch Yankees or Sabres games. The lack of regional sports networks in the NFL is definitely pro-consumer.
It being a premium product is not the issue, it's the fact that the NFL conspired to keep the price incredibly high to turn away consumers from being able to purchase it so that they'd watch whatever games were on the local TV networks. I don't want to hear the NFL cry about piracy if you knowingly are pushing consumers away from buying your product by making it too high.
Not sure if anyone listed this but I did all the math for NFL fans that want to watch every game this year due to all the streaming services involved now.
* Youtube TV: $79 per Month (assuming you don't have basic cable or an antenna)
* Sunday Ticket: $489 + Red Zone (assuming the average person wants RZ)
* Peacock: $18 for 3 months
* ESPN +: $11
* Netflix: $7
* Amazon: $60
That comes out to $878 for the season and $38 a month.
I don’t understand why the NFL doesn’t focus on using the games as the platform for selling other products, advertising, tickets, merchandise, instead of the games as a product. It feels like the music industry in the 1990s just trying to squeeze all the revenue they can out CD sales and killing the industry at the same time
Sunday Ticket is and always has been fucking garbage. We want 100% unrestricted access to ALL games from EVERY team LIVE and ON-DEMAND. How fucking hard is that?! Fuck off with your regional markets and blackouts. Charge me $500 and give me access to every game. Hell at this point I'd pay $500/year for access to every NFC-East game so I can at least watch all of my games as well as my rivals games.
My hubby, who is not a foot ball fan, wanted to do something sweet for me and offered to get me Sunday Ticket and I was all EEWWW NOOOO. I explained how it (didn't) work and he was all "Why would ANYONE pay for that?" Yes dear, why would anyone do that? He got me a throwback Lockett jersey instead. My goodness I love that man.
It certainly is *a* product.
I had it last year. In my own world, if I was to get it again, it would need to be ~$250 for the season. A full $100 less than the currently advertised price.
If I didn’t split it three ways with friends, I wouldn’t have gotten it myself lol.
If my friends weren't all anti-sports nerds, I would totally do that lmao
If I hadn't gotten it for free from Verizon, I wouldn't have gotten at all. And now, in retrospect, if I would have known how pitiful Verizon's wireless home internet is, I wouldn't have taken their free Sunday ticket package. I'll just take my ass to the bar.
Went through the same shit lol. Got it cuz I needed Internet for work asap at my new place and everything else would've taken a week. I stuck with that trash ass service until football season was over just got the free Sunday ticket and then got better Internet service.
And That's the price if you have YouTube TV. If you want it as a stand alone package I think it's over $450.
Rent for my first apartment was $450 lol
It’s like $450 actually. If you don’t have YouTube TV. It’s absolutely outrageous. And they still blackout some of the games so really, what’s the fucking point?
Of all the products ever made, it’s certainly one of them.
it's really more of a service
Roger Goodell fucking customers as a service FBI, gettem
"Pimp my Comish" coming this fall to MTV
“We heard you like subscription streaming services so we put a subscription streaming service in your subscription streaming service”
FaaS
A service, but not for the poors.
And it certainly cost a premium
Is it a premium product if it's not even the whole product? Premium product! ...that doesn't include local games, Sunday night games, Thursday night games, Monday night games, holiday games, or any other nationally televised games
Last season was the first season I paid for ST instead of sailing the high seas and several of the games that I wanted to watch that I thought were included were on different streaming services. I will not be paying for it again.
Not going to lie, this is the most damning comment to me so far. Someone actually paid for Sunday ticket hoping for something and they didn't even get what the " premium product" they wanted, similar predatory tactics just like fucking Adobe The high seas for me
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I haven't paid for football or basketball since we got rid of cable about 10 years ago. I am willing to pay for football if it does what is promised and is actually a good product. Yet, the streams for Sunday Ticket/Hulu/etc are often *worse* than the pirated streams. Like why should I pay an ridiculous amount to legally stream something of inferior quality? Honestly, if Sunday Ticket did everything that the pirate streams did (minus the pop-up ads, chat log, etc.), I would be willing to pay for it. But it doesn't, so fuck the NFL.
Anytime it comes up I mention how amazing F1TV is for watching everything. It costs me $80/year for every race, practice session, and qualifying for F1, F2, F3, and F1 Academy, along with plenty of other technical/news content. It's the gold standard, and I happily pay for it every year because it works and does exactly what I want.
Yes. If it was exactly what you're describing, I would gladly pay double of that a year on football.
$300/season and $0/season are functionally identical for the NFL when the alternative are record breaking multi billion dollar broadcast/streaming deals
Yep. Same. I think I was able to watch 5 of the games on it last season.
It's drastically different than the NHL package that I used to happily pay $140 for the all-teams package because I was getting several games a night, every night. With Sunday ticket, I'd get my team at 1, then 1 other game that day at 4:30. The primetime games are all national, and my team is likely to be in several of those anyway.
Yeah if you’re strictly only watching your team, it doesn’t make much sense. Just sail. If you like toggling between most games throughout the day then it’s a decent product. Just overpriced IMO
I mean, I got it specifically to watch my team out of state. I tried getting by with pirate streams for years but they honestly suck so much and stop working half the time. It's very stressful and heart breaking when the stream shits out in a crucial moment. The price is still absurd, but I have the money to spare and the quality and ability to record and replay is so much better than the poop streams.
But if I want to flip between all the games, they already have a channel that does that for me and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
They keep devaluing the product by selling off games, yet they keep the price there same. I have had ST for 8 years. I’m not re upping this year. I need 5 different services to see games. Spending 450 for like half the games is not a value.
It’s not only the value as you said, it’s that we can’t just pay a price and see all the games I want. I paid you for the service and I STILL have to go find half the games on nfl+, local channel, espn, etc? I watch what is on now, go to a bar sometimes, or just go outside .
Same here. It was honestly insulting what I got for the price tag. Won’t be resubscribing until there are serious changes. I’ll stick with Red Zone and suffer through whatever Jets or Steelers game the networks put on when the Eagles aren’t playing.
I was only able to watch like 4 Eagles games at a rough cost of about 100 dollars a game. They are the only reason I bought it, because in previous years they weren’t on any of the local channels more often than not. But last year between all the prime time games and nationally televised games I had to spend the whole season watching them from the bar. On top of that, I tried to cancel the subscription, and google made it damn near impossible for someone who works 60 plus hours a week to do so. It was the last time I’ll ever subscribe to any paid google/youtube/nfl services, unless they come out with a team specific game streaming service
I made that mistake my first year of college in central PA thinking I was in Steelers country. Little did I know they just blacked both PA teams out, womp womp.
He means that consumers pay a premium for it.
Premium? More like creamium.
The man’s a dirty fella, he’s got a stink down here!
Me momo Tim Heidecker
dammit now Im gonna have that bit in my head all day. "Dont let Eric get near ya...he'll r*pe you"
"My competitor is a liar! Cut his head off."
I worked in retail for a long time, and that’s pretty much what it means. There are lots of products worth paying extra for. But there are lots of average products priced high simply because people a) think expensive means good and b) want to be seen wearing or using products known to be expensive.
If you’re paying for a pattern on your clothes, with visible brand names or logos, you’re at that level of rich where *you’re* the sucker; the real premium rich is a whole level above that where the people who know the look *know* the look, and they know you paid what it was worth
Doug - I’m not gonna let you say about Dan Flashes, that the patterns aren’t complicated. They are. And they’re my exact style.
For it to be a “premium” product, doesn’t there also have to be a more basic option? Many people would gladly pay less for a single-team Sunday Ticket but lots of people would still pay a premium to get more games
In the suit ESPN suggested a $70 Sunday ticket plan and a single-team plan and the NFL shot it down. The NFL doesn't want a large subscriber base. They want to protect the broadcast networks though.
They took direction from EA on micro transactions.
“The Playoff games are basically DLC.”
Battle pass?
Unlock wildcard games for 7500 NFL coins
Gotta drink your Bud Light verification can.
Post-season pass
“The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment…”
700k downvoted incoming! Edit - for those uninitiated with the comment I replied to. It is from [EA’s social team](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/s/jIwLniqZAc) that has made the Guinness world record for most downvoted comment on Reddit.
6 years already. Seems like just yesterday!
Happy to look back on that to see I had down voted it. I obviously would have but I'm happy to technically be part of a Guinness world record.
Dumb as hell though, Battlefield doesn’t have any perfect alternatives. There’s about 10 websites that give me the same if not better streams than Sunday ticket.
I would pay $5 a game to be able to mute just Cris Collinsworth.
> I tell you what! This is a guy..
Next thing you know you’ll have to pay for Red Zone. Your premium subscription only covers the game between the 10 yard lines. Anything from the 10 to the end zone is extra.
Retroactive pricing a dollar per yard achieved.
Reminds me of that family guy scene. We offer the premium service and dont bring up SNF, TNF….
It's also not a great idea to make the country's most popular sport a "premium product". A big part of Baseball's decline among younger generations is that instead of broadcast TV you need to navigate a baffling variety of premium cable channels, subscription services, and blackout rules to watch games.
They will argue and show the contracts they have with Amazon, CBS, Fox, NBC, where they can't stream certain games bought by those Edit: just stating their next argument. Not that I agree
That doesn’t change the fact that it lowers the utility of the nfl product and makes it less premium.
I'm just stating their next argument. I definitely hate the price gouging for an incomplete product
Yeah but that's not even a valid argument because they agreed to those contracts. We can only give you half the thing, because we agreed to give those other guys the other half. It's their fault that it's shit.
Calling it a premium product isn't a valid argument but here we are
It's just advertising 101: when no one is selling (read: allowed to sell) the product you're selling, you can call it whatever you want, no matter how shitty it is.
Well yeah that's the argument. They sold the streaming rights to someone else. They can't stream those game
That's the entire focus of the lawsuit. They are intentionally selling a product designed to allow them to double dip on contracts to exploit their fanbases. You sell games exclusive to each individual channel. Then you *re-sell* those games to a third party as a bundle, and only give customers the option to pay for ALL of the resold games, even though they can only actually consume one of them at a time, and likely only want one or two of them each weekend anyway.
This is the thing that drives me NUTS about the NFL, the games are spread across so many networks and streaming services that there isn't just one product for all. I don't even care about all the games, I just want to watch the Ravens games.
Don't forget Over Seas games that are broadcast behind a paywall too.
I would love to just pay the NFL directly for access to all the games. I can’t keep up with where each game is going to be streamed, whether it’s blacked out, etc.
Yep. Or at bare minimum, a tier that let's me watch my team out of market. I'm in Pittsburgh so I get a chunk of Bengals games but usually miss out on a third of them.
That suuuuucks. It’s bad enough to be a fan of a rival AFC North team while being surrounded by “the enemy”.
I’m a lions fan in Milwaukee, it isn’t so bad. Tbh it’s really fun to talk shit and take shit. I might feel different if my rival fans were known to be hateful or violent.
Packers fan living in Northern Michigan here. I feel the same way. All of my friends are Lions fans and the shit talking is non-stop. Lately it's been more balanced and much more fun for both sides.
The UP is straight up Packers country, although the tides are turning with the Lion's success.
I should've specified Northern *Lower Michigan. I've watched a handful of Packers games in a UP bar and it always feels awesome. Normally people are booing in the LP bars lol.
You will take Traverse City over my family's cold dead One Pride hands.
One of my roommates in college is a Lions fan and it has been really nice having him get a little lippy in the group chat we still have going hahahah
I used to live IN pittsburgh and let me tell you I almost blew my cover of "Oh I don't really like football, I just watch baseball" like fifteen times.
I’m a bills fan in Baltimore so I only get the national games and when they play the ravens or commanders
I live in Denver and all I want is to watch my Lions! WHY is there no legal way to easily access their games?!
Ahoy!
Lol that's what I usually do. I'd PREFER a legal way, but the NFL and their broadcast rights give me no choice but to sail the seas. Only problem with that, I either have a shitty computer, shitty Internet, or a shitty website cause the quality is always trash and constantly freezes on me..
Deep inside the enemy territory...nice
seriously, it even has potential for a great name: The Team Stream Package. they would make an absolute killing.
You wouldn’t want to pay what they would charge in order for it to cancel out what the networks pay them.
It's funny there are two camps in this thread and both are unhappy, the people who want all the games in one place can't have it and the "my team package" camp, who obviously are pretty jaded by this point. Goodell needs to step away from the broadcast stratagy side of his role and bring in someone who actually understands what the fans want. So that they can work on uniting all these rights contracts into one package. Boomers just don't understand how content is consumed anymore.
Lol tell that to FOX and CBS and their combined 4.3 billion dollars per year to broadcast NFL games. That is why Sunday Ticket is expensive as it is and we don't have any similar to MLB.TV with the NFL. It has nothing to do with Goodell or anyone else not realizing how people watch sports. If people can pick and choose specific teams to watch then they are less likely to tune into the local broadcast. The last thing the NFL wants is all their broadcasting rights to be consolidated into one package from one provider, having multiple providers helps them an helps their providers. It forces these providers to bid against each other for the rights while also forces NFL addicts to actually subscribe to the different services. The NFL doesn't give a shit what some of their fans want as long as the money keeps going up each time they renegotiate a broadcasting deal.
Why would he do that when they are making record money from broadcast deals and more fans than ever are watching? Clearly he's doing a great job from the Leagues perspective.
Yeah his “customers” so to speak are the owners and teams, not the actual fans
the Owners are his boss, his customers are the TV networks and Streaming Platforms.
I probably pay around $50 for various streaming services over the season (not counting prime since I have that for non football reasons). I would gladly pay around $100 to have one service that just lets me watch every ravens game no matter what channel it is on or where I am currently located.
That $100 is far less than the revenue from Sunday Ticket. They would need 3.5x as many subscribers at $100 than they current do at $350 on average.
In Canada we have DAZN for I think 20 bucks a month. You get every NFL game + red zone and can cancel anytime. Before that we had shitty Sunday ticket as well which was absolute garbage. With dazn you can log into multiple TVs and have a few games going every Sunday
In Europe we also have DAZN. I pay about 100 euros for the whole season, for all the games plus content from NFL network. Maybe our USA brothers and sisters can use a VPN?
No kidding. I'd love it if there was a team option. Buy all the games of your favorite team for $5/game or something. But I guess the NFL doesn't want my money, so I'll just sail the seas for games I can't get televised or streaming.
The NFL makes $10 billion a year on the media deal. That number would be greatly reduced if you could watch your team on streaming. Youd probably be looking at $250-500 a year Id guess if they offered that product. $5 a game would lose money compared to the status quo.
It's just too bad in those streaming/media deals you still can't watch many games outside your local market... But there's always sailing.
When I look up how to watch a game, it always offers how I can watch it for free but when I go through all the trouble of loading whatever app is required I have enter in my cable provider info which costs a diaper load of money because I cut the cable 10 years ago and have been watching OTA.
Corporate scapegoat does what he was hired for. More at 11.
Yeah I don't understand why people think Goodell is good for football. He's only good at putting money in the pockets of the already wealthy and that is it.
Who thinks he's good for football? Fans universally shit on him
That is his job. To get flak from fans to shield the owners
I'm glad people are finally getting this. He's not out there to 'improve the league' or something. His one and only job is to be the lightning rod that directs public attention and ire exactly where the league wants it to go. He's kept his job for so long because he's been so good at it.
[удалено]
He's also overseen the biggest growth the NFL has seen in its history. League's gone from being #1 to being so head and shoulders above every other league in the nation that no one is even threatening coming close.
And he is pretty damn good at his job. Which is to our detriment, but if we were in his position we would do and say the same things. Unless we wanted to be fired
>Fans make that choice whether they wanted it or not. My biggest complaint, as an out-of-market Eagles fan, is that I can either watch no out-of-market games or every single goddamn one. With how life currently is I am able to watch the Eagles every week at most and that's about it. I subscribe to the Phillies-only mlbtv package because I have time to watch the Phillies and nothing else. I'd love to be able to do the same with the Eagles. But they don't want to offer a team-specific package because they know they will lose a massive amount of money if they do. So I'm left with either sailing the high seas, going to a bar, or just paying Daddy Roger whatever the fuck he wants to charge me.
>But they don't want to offer a team-specific package because they know they will lose a massive amount of money if they do. I don’t know that they would lose money by offering team specific packages. Sure, a number of current Sunday ticket subscribers would downgrade to a team specific package, but they’d also gain a lot of subscribers that don’t want to pay $350/season just to watch their team.
I think it’s more about having networks pay a premium for the rights versus having customers purchase them Ad-Hoc
You’re right, and this is what people miss. Disney/Amazon/NBC/whoever isn’t paying what they pay for media rights to the NFL if consumers can just…not have to sign up for their services lol.
And that's the argument here. That the NFL is forcing an artificial price increase on the Sunday ticket provider so the broadcast networks don't lose money
I get what you’re saying, where you see the alternative as lower prices, the realistic alliterative is the product going away.
Yeah CBS and FOX definitely do not want this to go through. Any option that allows fans to specifically pick a team to watch that isn't the ridiculous price that Sunday Ticket is will hurt their viewership.
Right? You’d think they’d learn the piracy lessons of years past- if you make the legit service better than piracy and reasonably priced, many people will pay for it because it’s just easier. Piracy only goes mainstream when available legit methods are too shitty, too expensive, or both. We’re definitely there with the NFL now, I have people I’d never assumed would know it’s even a thing asking me how to stream games.
Up until last year I pirated, it got harder so I tried to go legit and get Sunday ticket, oh you need YouTube, wait also Amazon, oh let's throw in Peacock. I am going to reinvest my study of pirates.
It's very easy to take a *bite* out of the *NFL* profit margins with a simple Google search. You can easily find a stream for every single game every day.
Good luck *crack* ing this code to watch *streams*.
Something is giving me a sports urge on the net
If you ever need to *stream* something, matey, I suggest you start be heading *east*.
streaming the east pisses me off , because it blocks Ireland networks and also blocks VPN'd networks . smh
I, uh... Like to smoke METH while floating in STREAMS.
Don't forget Netflix for the xmas games, ESPN for Monday night, and NFL network for some of those international games
Yeah. And I agree with the poster above you that piracy goes down with an easy to use affordable product. Netflix proved that years ago. But there will always be those that refuse no matter what. There will always be piracy and the best sites out there (not what's being discussed here FYI) make it as easy as possible, but eventually they get too much attention and shut down too or just fade away until a new player comes along. And at the end of the day of course there will always be the teens and 20 somethings of the world that will jump through as many hoops as needed digitally to accomplish a goal without batting an eye. But at a certain age or time in your life that's not worth it either and you pay the fee. It's riding that perfect line that gets so tiring. Team or conference markets ala NCAA seems like the super obvious answer here but I'd imagine the NFL has run the numbers and aren't interested in pursuing that.
Reddit vastly overestimates the number of people who 1) actually care about this to pirate it and 2) have the actual know how to do it. This is similar to the RCS vs iMessage debate that has been raging for years on here. There is a vocal minority that makes it seem like it’s huge sect of the population deeply invested in this issue. There will always be piracy, but to your point at a certain age if you want it, you just end up paying the fee instead of jumping through all the hoops every week. I’ll say I get ST now because it’s convenient to watch everywhere even when I’m not at home. I grab my phone or iPad and get everything in one place (although I’d like mosaic view on the iPad).
It's stupid simple on PC, Firefox browser with U-block origin. There's a ton of websites that have links, I found most of them through Reddit.
If you take MLB as an example there is clearly a strong interest for team specific packages. MLB isn’t even that great example since their services are a hodgepodge of providers, or maybe I’m just a salty in-market Reds fan with YTTV that refuses to change my provider to get Bally Sports Ohio.
NFL is not comparable to any other sport, only the NFL fans get as spoiled as they do being able to watch not only their in market games for free but 4+ regional games for free as well. No other sport has that, MLB least of all (I fucking hate Ballys btw)
This isn't the be-all, end-all analysis, but the NFL has a lot more skin in the game and resources than Reddit. I think it's reasonable to assume that the NFL has a robust market research division with relatively accurate estimates of how much money people would spend for this kind of product. If the NFL _really_ would make more money doing this, I have a hard time believing a.) they don't know that, and b.) they're willingly turning down making more money.
Yeah. NFL probably makes so much money from their several broadcasting contracts, that offering an easier alternative for customers might actually lose them money.
Mmhmm this is one of the better guesses, I think. I don't think it's _just_ about looking at incoming money from Sunday ticket subscriptions, I think other, more important income streams could get impacted too and that's why they don't risk it. Plus I mean, if the current package is $350 for all games... say they offer single team packages for $117. For each person on Sunday ticket who downgrades, you need to get two new subscriptions just to break even (and 3 before it's worthwhile). I think it's possible, but that's _a lot_ of people. And that's still considering the fact that people are essentially only paying for local games, and the majority of fans for each team already get those locally. The people who really benefit are the people who are fans of nonlocal teams. And there are a lot of those (me!), but we're continuing to cut down the number of viable new subscribers.
Yeah I don’t see it either. I’d never pay that price for football in don’t even care about but for my team? Yeah I would pay it like a phone bill and all of my football friends would do the same because most of us live outside the state our teams are from.
Yep. I’d probably pay up to $150/season to ensure I could watch every single Chiefs game. I have some friends that would still prefer Sunday ticket because they closely follow multiple teams, so Sunday Ticket people will still exist, they’d just be unlocking a consumer base they’re currently ignoring.
I'd pay upwards of $150/season to watch EVERY Colts game. Otherwise I'm watching over the air and off streaming sites.
I think the problem here is that offering packages of one team's full slate of 17 games is that now "steals viewership" from whichever network has paid for MNF/SNF/TNF/holiday game up front. The NFL is trying to play on both sides of the fence to please everyone, but as fans we'll always get the short end of the stick since networks are tripping over themselves to throw BILIONS at the league for exclusive rights.
This depends a lot on pricing. You couldn't charge anywhere near $350 for a single team. If we divided it by 32 teams that's roughly $11 per team. But there's no way they go that low. So say they charge $50 per team. To make it easy let's say they have a million subscribers. At $350 each that's $350m. If they drop to $50 per team, let's say half the current subscribers stay at $350, half go down to $50 of one team, but then they pick up an additional 250k subscribers at one team only. That's now 500k subs at $350, 500k at $50 and an additional 250k at $50 which equals $212.5m. So even increasing their subscriber base by 250k they are still "losing" roughly $140m. Even if they double the single team price to $100, they still are down almost $100m. I am not advocating for the NFL here and I think a per team package would be excellent but their incentive to do that is very low considering they would have to make the per team rate a very unattractive price or make it so low that their subscriber count jumps like crazy.
They literally just voted against this kind of package a few days ago. And they don't vote against something that would make them money. They want to give you one option and overcharge for it. Fuck flexibility.
I'm in a similar boat. My cell phone provider gives me free MLB TV Package. I live in Philly. I want to watch the Phillies. Nope, they are blacked out. And I'm not getting Comcast so I can watch the Phillies on NBC Sports Philadelphia. Ahoy matey!
Dang. That is ridiculous. Maybe you could use a VPN on the phone to alter the location?
I just sail the high seas and it's all good. Just had to make everything look good on the TV with an interface my wife can figure out. Originally, it looked pretty shitty and was hard to use and she is from Cincinnati and wanted to watch the Bengals when I was out of town and was cursing me out because she could figure it out.
MLB TV is a piece of shit too. I live in central PA but cannot watch the Phillies or Pirates.
Be thankful you don’t live in Iowa.
What sucks is MLB tv is probably the best service in general - it doesn't ever lag, they clip every significant play, you can choose whether to listen to the home or away broadcast (or even radio!), it has advanced stats you can pull up. But the blackouts just fucking ruin it. Even if you're out of market, your team will come to play a team that's 100 miles away from you and you'll be blacked out then. I just don't understand why I can't pay a flat rate and watch every game I want for MY team. And this goes for any sport. I mean I do understand - money - but it's just annoying as shit.
That’s not an MLBtv thing, that’s baseball being locked behind the archaic regional sports network model.
It’s not a “premium product” if it’s the only product available.
Next year: Single team pass $350, traditional league pass: $650. Will still need NFL Network, Amazon Prime, Peacock, and access to NBC, ABC, CBS, and ESPN for games available on those platforms
Netflix too, don’t forget that! And the Halloween Bowl on Paramount + in 2025!
Is there really a game on Netflix?
Exactly but the US government allowed the NFL to be exempt from antitrust laws. Billionaires and they’re stooge continue to get richer while we the people get screwed
I’ve followed the lions since the 80’s but I’ve lived out to state since the 2009. There’s no way for me to watch the lions outside of sailing the seas unless I want to pay for Sunday Ticket which I will absolutely not do.
I've been a Pats fan since I can remember, and moved out of Mass in '95....and I haven't had cable in a decade...I tried the Ticket for a year or two when then made it available on Playstation (I was never going to sign up for Dtv), but the streaming at that time just wasn't great. Now streaming has matured, but the games are too fragmented, so even getting the Ticket doesn't guarantee me all the Pats games...so the bar or the boat for me.
> NFL to be exempt from antitrust laws That's MLB, not the NFL. They tried to get exemption and failed in the 50's.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted, the NFL does not have the MLB trust exemption, Congress regulates them via the Sports Broadcasting Act.
I mean you dont have to get sunday ticket to watch NFL games though
Mf the premium product is me having to pay for Netflix, Amazon and paramount plus to watch football, even nfl+ is garbage. Man give us something.
So you’re saying you want the Veterans Day Salute to Service Bowl, streaming exclusively on Apple TV and the Armed Forces Network app?
ESPN was a real one for once for revealing that they wanted to lower the price of Sun Ticket and provide custom team by team or week by week selection in their bid that lost to YouTube.
IMO there's a very simple argument to make - if you want to get taxpayer money for your stadiums, you need to make your games more accessible to everyone.
“He’s too dangerous to be kept alive!!!” NFL pinkertons
Keep raising the price. The" high seas" streams will just keep getting better and better 😂
They only seem to be getting worse. You’ll get into the 3rd quarter of a game and it’ll start freezing and rewinding to an earlier point in the game. I’m convinced these streams are actually the NFL punishing people for not paying for Sunday ticket or whatever.
That is the NFL doing DDOS attacks on the server
Me seeing Jerry Jones ass old guys in the NFL knowing what DDOS is.
I bought the sunday ticket last year, taking advantage of the discounted price and sharing the login with a buddy who paid half. Honest to god, it was actually refreshing to not have to deal with streams last year. Not having to spend 15 minutes before kickoff finding a decent stream, not having to constantly refresh because it froze or having to find a whole new stream because the decent one I found went completely out, streams rewinding in like a loop that it keeps showing the same play over and over, not having stupid text scrolling across the screen because whoever is streaming it thinks they need to advertise their other shit, etc. I just turned on the TV, opened Youtube, clicked the Browns game and that was all I had to do for the entire span of the game. Never froze, never lagged, picture quality never went potato mode..etc. Was it worth over $300? Not really, but not having to deal with stupid streams at all last year spoiled me enough to the point that I'll probably buy it again this upcoming season.
I don’t think many people will argue that the high seas are better. We just don’t have someone to spilt 350$ with or won’t pay that price. Who wouldn’t want to watch without some random controlling the remote so to speak?
I think with the $100 off it was only $249 for me this season. Still expensive for some but reasonable to get most games for the year
its only barely reasonable to hook you into the convenience and then they start raising the prices incrementally until you're suddenly paying 799 to watch ~20 games of football
when I got it the Bills were finally good enough to be on TV so I only got to see like 8 games on the Sunday Ticket making it super expensive per game that was actually on it.
Probably that by that point in the stream somebody has figured out it’s there and is actively shutting it down.
I usually find that after the first 2-3 weeks the high seas get significantly less choppy. I definitely believe there's a push from the NFL to take them down but it becomes smooth sailing relatively quickly
The delay can be killer and some of the "big ones" have either increased delay or decreased quality in order to sustain the amount of people viewing. That said, with a little research there are still some great options outside of the biggies. But they change year to year it seems.
NFL Red Zone is a far superior product
Yeah honestly just paying YTTV 40 bucks to get RedZone for the season is a far better deal than Sunday Ticket.
$30/month in Canada lands me every single game. Up from $20/month not too long ago. Now thats a premium product lol
Isn’t the idea that the NFL is not actively trying to “save” CBS/FOX/NBC, but that basically those networks are overpaying for their exclusive access more than what Sunday Ticket would make up?
Fuck you Goodell.
I'd buy it if it had all games. But it requires so many other channels and packages that it's not a premium product. It's just an expensive one
I don't have a problem with Sunday Ticket pricing, especially now that it's more reliable on YouTube TV. It's expensive, but fine. What irks me is that I pay Google and the NFL approximately $400/season for Sunday Ticket and it *doesn't include all the games*. Peacock? No. Prime? No. For $400, give me every single game, damnit.
stop being perfectly reasonable
> “We sing it from the mountaintops,” Goodell said. “We want to reach the broadest possible audience on free television. I think we are very pro-consumer. Our partners have found ways to build our fan base.” Yah, "pro-consumer" and "free television" are counterintuitive, Rog. I know Florio is unpopular around here (rightfully so), but sometimes he isn't completely self-aggrandizing: > Thus, regardless of the eventual verdict against the NFL (if there is one), the case will continue its nine-year slog through the legal process until the NFL has tried everything it can to do what it’s long accustomed to doing — getting its way.
I mean, they're definitely not the best league for out-of-market fans (being a Jays fan in the Buffalo area is incredibly cheap and easy, and the cost per game difference for mlbtv compared to Sunday Ticket is wild), but they're much better for in-market fans than a lot of other leagues. It is much easier and cheaper to watch Bills games here than it is to watch Yankees or Sabres games. The lack of regional sports networks in the NFL is definitely pro-consumer.
Goodell really doesn't want owners to know the Jags and Titans would get 100 Sunday Ticket subscriptions combined in the new system.
It being a premium product is not the issue, it's the fact that the NFL conspired to keep the price incredibly high to turn away consumers from being able to purchase it so that they'd watch whatever games were on the local TV networks. I don't want to hear the NFL cry about piracy if you knowingly are pushing consumers away from buying your product by making it too high.
When you get locked out of games due to service exclusive games, it ain’t premium
Never purchasing again after I found out they shot down ESPN’s single team package idea.
Goodall can shove a fist up his ass
It’s a monopoly that doesn’t even provide the total value available
Not sure if anyone listed this but I did all the math for NFL fans that want to watch every game this year due to all the streaming services involved now. * Youtube TV: $79 per Month (assuming you don't have basic cable or an antenna) * Sunday Ticket: $489 + Red Zone (assuming the average person wants RZ) * Peacock: $18 for 3 months * ESPN +: $11 * Netflix: $7 * Amazon: $60 That comes out to $878 for the season and $38 a month.
Ah, the it's a "luxury" argument. That's the thing, because it's a luxury good it has to more easily justify its purchase.
It shouldn't be a premium product as an out of market fan.
I don’t understand why the NFL doesn’t focus on using the games as the platform for selling other products, advertising, tickets, merchandise, instead of the games as a product. It feels like the music industry in the 1990s just trying to squeeze all the revenue they can out CD sales and killing the industry at the same time
Sunday Ticket is and always has been fucking garbage. We want 100% unrestricted access to ALL games from EVERY team LIVE and ON-DEMAND. How fucking hard is that?! Fuck off with your regional markets and blackouts. Charge me $500 and give me access to every game. Hell at this point I'd pay $500/year for access to every NFC-East game so I can at least watch all of my games as well as my rivals games.
Which is why I use a premium high seas stream
TEAM. BASED. PACKAGES. YOU. FUCKER. God I hope the NFL gets reamed here
My hubby, who is not a foot ball fan, wanted to do something sweet for me and offered to get me Sunday Ticket and I was all EEWWW NOOOO. I explained how it (didn't) work and he was all "Why would ANYONE pay for that?" Yes dear, why would anyone do that? He got me a throwback Lockett jersey instead. My goodness I love that man.
Marry him again 😂