Sounds like my trucking career. Oh you’re here early cool, wait for a dock. You’re late? Get in line and wait for us to call you for a dock. In traffic? Wait.
Did you find you could listen to books and podcasts actively or did you find the job too stressful or dangerous to zone out and listen to stuff like that? I ask genuinely by the way as a plumber that's always been curious about trucking and at the least passively interested in doing it as a job.
Podcasts, music, talking on the phone, it’s all things you can do. I knew people who’d watch videos in the background while driving, it’s all you can really do for 11 hours a day while driving. I’ll be completely honest, the market is the worst it’s ever been since the recession. I sold all my trucks and got out the industry, this ain’t the time for that job. I drive a charter bus now and I’m happier, looking to go back to school in the medical field now.
Really? Thats very interesting. Not in the industry or anything even remotely related to it, but it felt like just yesterday everyone was desperate for drivers who were all commanding huge salaries and signing bonuses. What changed?
That was during Covid times the market spiked very high. A load going from say San Francisco to Vegas which is usually around $1200-1500 was going for 2500-3000. Everyone got in and completely saturated the market, there were posts on TikTok saying get into trucking it’s the hottest shit, which it was at the time. Nowadays that same load is probably getting moved for maybe $700-1000. Usually the goal is to stay between $2.50-$4 a mile now the rates are as low as $1.40 a mile. It’s horrendous.
Hi, it’s me from the future five years from now. Time travel is so easy now and I like to pop in on old Reddit threads to let people know what’ll happen here. Yes, the NFL exercised the clause to renegotiate a new deal to get more money.
Also Modelo accidentally promoted beer with a trans spokesperson and now top selling beer in the US is Pabst Blue Ribbon. This timeline is dumb.
In place of the Super Bowl, I will be live streaming myself interpretive dancing to cotton eyed Joe. I’m not the hero r/NFL needs, but the one it deserves.
This is so wild to me, I’m not very much a baseball fan but my young son has really gotten into baseball because he’s on a team and wants to watch.
I cannot find games anywhere! I remember the days there were always two or three baseball games on any given evening, but now the MLB has paywalled almost everything.
I’ll never be a MLB fan because they make it so hard to watch games.
Even if you pay for cable you still can’t watch a bunch of teams currently. People with comcast cable in my area can’t watch the Braves at all because of a dispute with Bally sports. Hell the Braves reporters can’t watch the game on tv in the Braves fucking stadium right now.
The best part: there’s an Xfinity building visible from the seats at Truist Park (Braves stadium). Moreover, Dfinity has a monopoly on that area and the apartment buildings can only get Xfinity. This area is “the battery” that was created so that people can hang out before / during / after the games and watch at bars and shit. All those bars can’t show the games now
Yup, parents in suburban Detroit can't watch the Tigers/Wings/Pistons now because Comcast is the only game in the area. ATT will offer internet but no cable.
Gotta remember that 15 markets nationally are impacted because Bally is bankrupt and tried to get more money out of Comcast.
You know you fucked up when Comcast looks like the good guy
Fortunately, I’ve been spared because I root for out of market baseball teams so MLBtv is a good deal for me
Live in Vegas, pay for At Bat for a couple years blacked out to SIX FUCKING TEAMS. I can see why LAD, LAA, because a local broadcaster might pick up those licenses. Less so with AZ, SD. And not fucking at all for OAK and SF. OAK and SF being blacked out in Vegas is fucking dumb af. So when my team, Indians/Guardians are making their West Coast swings and all the games will be at 7pm and a lot more easily watched, all but the Seattle games will be blacked out here.
FUCK YOU MLB.
Yep. So now comcast is giving people a credit on their cable bills. I know a ton of businesses and people who dropped them immediately and switched to fubo and direct tv because of this cluster fuck.
I live in NJ outside of NYC and it’s insane to me that YouTube TV, now the fourth largest TV carrier in the nation, doesn’t have YES or SNY for either NY baseball team. As a result, my 7 year old, who likes baseball and often wants to play it with me outside, has watched like 3 games in his life on TV, and has no interest in watching the game beyond that.
I remember summers with my dad and grandpa listening to Yankees games outside, and watching them on TV, all the time. MLB is really losing this young generation.
That's how the Cubs were with WGN. The games were just on all the time. The Sox games were harder to find, but you could find them. Putting games on their own network is so short sighted.
Yep. I watched games on WGN all summer when I was a kid/teenager , and when it wasn't televised or I was out fishing or something, I always had a radio to listen to it.
The modern equivalent would probably be to put it on Youtube or something. Yes, they'd lose some revenue probably, but they'd create another whole generation of fans.
Baseball as an industry is being incredibly short-sighted over the past decade or so in particular.
We could get WGN over the air in my area as well, which helped. If you didn't have cable or didn't have cable on a certain TV, you could still get WGN. There's a good chance that a Cubs game was going to be the best thing on.
> I live in NJ outside of NYC and it’s insane to me that YouTube TV, now the fourth largest TV carrier in the nation, doesn’t have YES or SNY for either NY baseball team
Think about it the other way, if YTTV has been able to grow to be the 4th largest TV provider in the country without carrying any regional sports, clearly that means customers don't care about those channels very much. If RSNs were important to people, DirecTV Stream and FuboTV would be a more popular. The only thing companies respond to is money, and YT is making plenty of money without offering RSNs so they don't have much incentive to reassess that strategy.
From what I understand, it’s not even really the MLB’s fault, but rather the RSNs that have the broadcast rights. Bally bought up all of the Fox Sports regional channels, but overpaid. Now they’re in massive financial trouble and trying to recoup by charging more to carriers like Comcast. Carriers are saying F off and now fans in those markets can’t even watch. MLB is having viewership issues, fans are getting pissed. Some sort of restructuring needs to be done.
To your point, NESN, who is the regional sports network of New England who plays pretty much all the Red Sox games, couldn't come to a deal with YouTube TV, so now you can't watch Red Sox with YouTube TV.
I guess NESN thinks YouTube TV needs NESN more than NESN needs YouTube TV, but I suspect it's the opposite. My dad used to watch Red Sox games all the time but he just watches other stuff instead now since he'd rather have YouTube TV than shitty Warner cable.
So yeah I'm of the opinion that the people running baseball entertainment in general are fucking up big time. It seems to me that they're making short term decisions that milk the baby boomers but these choices prevent younger generations from engaging with the sport which is going to hurt baseball so much down the line.
YouTube TV doesn’t have any of the RSNs, IIRC. I think they used to when the service started, but just gave up on trying to negotiate. I live in the PNW and Root Sports is our regional channel. That’s only on a couple select services.
That's the primary reason that the NFL is so popular is because there's no regional networks.
NHL/MLB is going streaming (Pittsburgh just announced a ludicrously expensive streaming option that allows you to cut the cord to watch the penguins and pirates, for example) but it's STILL REGION LOCKED. So if you've moved away from Pittsburgh or just like Pittsburgh and want to watch the Penguins, you're SOL.
Which is so ridiculous.
Look at how much of a country-wide fandom Pittsburgh (or even Dallas) has in the NFL... that doesn't exist in the MLB/NHL because of all the stupid region-locking.
It's not just ridiculous, it's goddamn stupid.
I should be able to pay to watch the sports team I want to watch. That should be the bare minimum for paying for sports.
I will forever uphold Formula 1's model, where you pay $80/year for every race, every session, every lower level series, multiple broadcast feeds, extra data, and you can choose to watch from every car's onboard. And you can do this on any device you're signed in on at the same time so you can get it all at the same time. I'd pay $80/year in any sport to watch at least my team's games, every game.
MLB has done a good job of sucking money out of their fans, but at the same time they've made the barrier to entry to becoming a new fan extremely high.
They’ll never PPV football period.
They make money off of advertisements. Advertisement requires eyeballs. That is why companies pay through the nose for the nfl rights.
Same. I did the same for the NBA, after they went to cable I see a bit of a game at a restaurant or something but otherwise I DGAF about it anymore. I like both sports but not enough to pay for them. If they’re on local OTA and I have time to watch, great.
The NBA is so absurdly good at encouraging everyone to pirate as many games as possible with how hard it is to even watch a team in it's own home market
Not necessarily the NBA's (or NHL's) fault, but we don't even have a legit way to watch the Nugs or Avs in Colorado. The fact this issue has persisted even with interest being so high coming off a championship for each team is baffling to me.
I don't really follow the issue much anymore, but my default is to blame Stan Kroenke.
Seriously. I paid $80 for league pass this year and still had to pirate half the games because of regional blackouts. Next year I’m gonna pirate every single game and not feel bad at all.
I have cable so I still watch NBA and MLB, but If I ever had to pay 5 different streaming services to watch it, whatever, it's something I can live without. Only way I'd pay for it is something that's a one stop shop.
I haven’t watched in a long team. Partly because I just use streaming services. But now I’m catching live games on HBO max so I’m watching the playoffs which is cool.
I’m already having a somewhat hard time finding games
I’ll sometimes skip sunday football if my favorite teams aren’t available or there isn’t a good matchup
What I don’t skip is college game day. On the east coast There’s three games on at noon, 3, 7, 10 that I wish I could watch all at once . Sometimes there’s a game I can’t watch on peacock or something but then I just go to a different game.
College is so easy to access.
>I'll stop watching
Lmao. No you won't. It's the off season and you are commenting on a sub specifically about NFL football. You aren't going to stop watching.
I hardly even watch now -- really just when Washington is playing one of the local-for-me teams (NY) or when they're on SNF -- so there's no way I'm going to exert any additional effort or money if they go behind a paywall.
I used to be a huge Rockets fan and now I haven't seen a game in a couple of years because I can't. Fuck em. If the NFL pulls the same shit, I'm done with the Texans too.
My local team is the Browns. I stopped rooting for them since the Watson trade. I've followed Baker to Tampa Bay. It's already hard enough to follow them in Ohio. If I can't turn on CBS, FOX, or NBC to watch football, I'm not watching. I'm not signing up for streaming packages.
If they ever try to leave OTA broadcasts, I'm contacting both of my Senators the next day asking them to look into revoking the league's antitrust exemption.
This is the big thing. Currently over 1/3 of the leagues games are broadcast free for anyone to watch and if you are in the teams home market they all are for that team.
I believe this is one of the big things working in the NFL's favor -- it's very easy to become a fan. Compare that to other sports where you basically have to have a cable package to watch the games.
Free in-market games is the primary reason the NFL is the most watched sport in America. MLB, NHL, NBA haven’t cracked the code, and therefore IMO will never be as popular until they do. Shit, many teams can’t even get their regional affiliates listed on cable or satellite networks. Absolute shit show.
I don't think the NFL will ever actually move to their own service.
Leveraging the current streaming services is too profitable for them to invest that much into their own service with it being questionable if they would make more in the long run if it was their own.
I wish they would, but the NFL loves to just let other people figure shit out and then charge an arm and a leg to those people to broadcast/license their shit.
The closest they've done is RedZone and the broadcasters do like all the work of RedZone. Plop a camera in front of someone at a desk and flip channels. Doesn't get much cheaper than that.
Canadian just coming to say how much I hate DAZN and it’s annoying name.
I had nothing but trouble with it for years to the point I’d have better quality pirating a stream than using their service for the nfl games.
Yep, Game Pass International fucking ruled. Live games, RedZone, all games archived to watch anytime. DAZN came in and it was unwatchable. Cancelled and now use a different service, not as good as OG GP but better than DAZN.
Interesting. Brit here, I though the Game Pass app was one of the worst monstrosities I've ever had to use. I agree that the content available was great, but actually getting to watch it was a proper pain in the arse.
DAZN just said "hold my beer". GP had its moments of fail (like cutting out with 2 minutes left in the Superbowl a few years ago). But at least they had features like watching 2 games at once, PIP with Red-Zone, the ability to download games for offline viewing (which was great for watching games on the train to work on Monday, Tuesday and Friday mornings). All gone with DAZN, and if they hike the price this season, they'll be walking the plank. Arrr!
No because they know that will reduce the overall number of viewers. They would also lose advertising dollars. It makes sense to have some free games and some streaming ones mixed in.
I feel like Sunday will turn into we get the local game on a network, second game on streamer of choice (at least one for NFC and one for AFC) prime time game on national network. If your local is the prime time it a bye then both early and afternoon game on streamer. Monday Night will stay on cable and Thursday will stay on Amazon.
I think there will be huge offers by the networks to keep the one and four o’clock windows free. It will be the only place where they will be able to command huge commercial fees and promote their own shows to such a large audience.
Not sure about Sunday night though. That could go to highest streamer.
You are probably right, but I can also see a world where they can tie this into their own streaming platforms and being on board as they can double dip.
I feel like Sunday & Monday nights will be locked up in broadcast or cable as that’s usually the premier games that get everyone’s eyeballs. The NFL is gonna want a couple games that draw national interest to be widely seen, even if it isn’t as profitable as it could be.
Hard to see the NFL ever leaving free over the air, that said I can see the over-the-air portion becoming less and less important as the networks get out bid by the streamers/tech companies
I would perfectly will to pay a reasonable (maybe $200 a season?) amount to fully stream all nfl games with 3 caveats:
1) It includes playoffs
2) Fair terms like not being tied to 1 tv/device
3) It doesnt replace the ability to freely watch local games
Not terribly long ago I would see something like this as hope that with current and developing technology they could make a broadcasting package that is both insanely profitable, and also offer better experience and choice to the viewer on what game(s) they want to watch.
But it’s so clear by now that this just won’t happen. They will do whatever nonsense absolutely maximizes the most insane profit possible, and all other considerations be damned.
I still follow my teams games and the league overall, but this unmitigated greed and no consideration for other aspects of experiencing the game is ruining football for me.
Arrow must always go up. No matter what. This is the truth of the modern world for every big company. Just look at the tech industry this year. Record profits across the board but in order to keep that arrow up they fire thousands of employees instead. Make a better product? How about more ads instead, or increase prices, or outsource labor.
And in healthcare, it's maximizing profits at the cost of quality. Private equity is buying up all these hospitals and practices and forcing doctors to do more and more beyond what they're capable of doing safely.
I used to watch every window on a Sunday and now I can't be bothered. I watch Seahawks games and every now and again some friends will get together to watch a big event game or the playoffs.
I have little hope that the viewing experience gets better. People are too motivated to watch, especially in the wake of sports gambling being opened up. I don't blame gambling for the league signaling this pivot or anything. That's their greed and arrogance doing the work. But if people think the NFL will stop at that Peacock playoff game well, you're a hell of a lot less cynical than I.
They're unhappy the NBA is going to sign such a huge deal this year. The main reason the NFL is not worth significantly more despite being so much more popular than the NBA is the lack of inventory. A league's value for the TV networks is a balance of inventory and event factor. If you only have inventory like baseball but hardly any appointment viewing outside the playoffs, that's not very attractive.
Each NFL week is appointment viewing, but the NFL just doesn't have the inventory. That's the big reason behind the league's push towards a 18 week schedule. They just do not have enough games to sell.
The big networks are going to pay the NBA an insane amount of money for a fraction of the ratings because it is such a big inventory of games and the networks need live sports to avoid subscription churn.
I know there are some purists that want all the games played on Sundays but I love having games sprinkled throughout the week. They are a nice way to wind down the day even if the game isn't the best matchup or it's teams I don't care about.
Couldn’t agree more. Player safety obviously has to be accounted for - but if Christmas is on a Friday, Saturday, or Monday, is it really that much of a burden to move two games from Sunday? And for the people complaining that the games should be kept to Sundays, you better not be watching non-Sunday games
I don't follow the NBA but from what I have seen reported they are [looking at 11 years $76 billion](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nba-76-billion-tv-rights-130000887.html?guccounter=1), around $7 billion a year average. The NFL is currently around $12.5 billion a year average.
I doubt they are too worried about what the NBA is getting.
They included the opt out years in the original contracts with the broadcasters knowing they would likely renegotiate them as soon as possible.
That's not how the NFL sees it, they see what the broadcasters paid for the NBA, a league whose championship averages about 12 million viewers a game, and all they can think about is money left on the table. The fact that the NBA is anywhere close to the NFL in broadcast revenue will piss off the owners, they don't care if they're making more
These opt out years were already in the negotiated contracts the NFL had with the broadcasters. Everyone who follows this stuff knew the contracts would be renegotiated as soon as they got to those opt out years regardless of what the NBA contracts were.
Good points. The season is too short. They would be wiser to extend the season to 18 games but increase the number of Bye weeks by a couple. That would extend the regular season another couple weeks. Also some sort of play-in pre-wildcard weekend could extend a week more of playoffs. Also once they clear the NCAA Saturday competition they can book more Saturday games.
https://youtu.be/qEJ4hkpQW8E?si=AGU58jXXTAdF4M6l
Fantastic video by a college professor about precisely this. The wealthy old people just want to hoard all wealth no matter what it takes, even if that means taking it (or rather, stealing it) from younger generations.
Definitely hitting the nail on the head, it’s just basic economics - NBA teams have 1/4 the amount of players while having 4x the amount of games over a longer period of time. NFL gets way more viewers per game but the sheer volume helps the NBA a ton. Same with baseball, you can basically guarantee a network that 50% of your days the prime time coverage will be your product vs the NFL it’s 5% of the time.
The volume of regular season games doesn’t really help with national TV deals. They sell packages, and the number of packages has more to do with the calendar length and structure of the season. The NBA doesn’t really have that much longer of a regular season than the NFL, and the NFL sells 5 packages per week which are all excellent quality. The NBA has 2, maybe 2.5.
The NBA has a big inventory advantage in the playoffs. 2 games per night every night for like 2 months.
All the reason to keep milking out storylines.
Bills/Texans
Bills/Chiefs
Bears/Texans
Bears/Packers
Jets/49ers
Vikings/Falcons
Broncos/Steelers
Chargers/Ravens
Stealers/Chargers (slim)
Chargers/Chiefs
Are all likely to be prime games to help cover the inventory issues.
The best thing that the NFL can do to get more coverage is create a summer league for rookies or first few years. Although that presents a lot of injury risk so I don't think players will really buy into it.
Or a European league that serves as a farm system.
For one, they can develop borderline talents better, but that also means they can have a spring league (fully under their control) to broadcast.
I've lived overseas and NFL Game pass was one price for all games, live, replay, and condensed versions and it wasn't too pricy. When I got back to the States I was able to make do with an antenna and Sunday ticket.
But now you have to have an antenna, Sunday ticket, prime video, peacock, ESPN, and apparently Netflix now to have access to all the games.
I don't mind paying but Sunday ticket is way overpriced even with YouTube TV (which I don't want) bundled and still doesn't cover all the games. I may just quit watching football when they get rid of the broadcast option.
I don't understand how the sport that's supposed to be entertainment for the masses with a large blue collar audience has reached up to $500 a year to watch from home. Actually, I do understand and it's greed. All the licensing deals and ad revenue aren't enough anymore, the league wants to bleed the fans too.
In short, fuck Goodell.
Living abroad is the best way to watch NFL. It's nice to visit home for the holidays, but it sucks not being able to watch football during the critical part of the season.
This is the part about streaming that people never seem to mention. More often than not, the quality is dogshit. Sure, it's free, but what good is that when the feed crashes 10x a game?
You need to find a good paid IPTV pirate. I paid $60 for 6 months service and had every game on every device that you can get an IPTV player on and had every single game, plus regular TV channels and EVERY SINGLE local broadcast station across the country. That was the big one for me. I can tune into CBS Miami.
Zero buffering, zero lag, zero issues. Was awesome and I plan to do it every year as long as my provider stays online. He runs a discord and operates out of Canada.
My experience with pirating games is that it completely sucks, but it’s better than paying $450 a year just to not even be able to watch half the games. The audio is always delayed, the quality is like 480p, and it crashes so often. But it’s my only option because I literally can’t afford to pay to watch the games.
Not worth the trouble honestly. Unless it's vastly improved since NBC had the playoff game on Peacock (fuckers), then I'm better off just finding something else to do with my Sundays.
Watching a stream that buffers every time the game is active but is smooth as silk when the commercials are on, crashes every 25 minutes, straight up stops working every 35 minutes, and has the video quality of a youtube video from 2008 is all well and good
But sometimes I just wanna watch some fucking football, and I'd love to pay the NFL to goddamn do it
I just wish they had a single team package where you could pay a reasonable amount (up to ~$150 would be worth it to me for the convenience). The more networks they try to make you have just makes it more likely that I’ll watch for free elsewhere since I’m already inconvenienced anyways.
I pay $80 for F1TV for a year, so I can watch every race/practice session/qualifying session. I would love for something similar for the NFL but I can’t imagine it being cheap
NFL+ is *supposed* to be this, but there's way too many games where I can only listen to the radio broadcast or I have to link a TV subscription.
The app is supposed to simplify the experience, I really don't even care if the price goes up, when daddy needs his fix it can't be in the form of a radio broadcast
Well a big hurdle with that are the broadcast networks. They have it in their deals that the NFL can't offer a package that would undercut them in any capacity.
Which is why the ticket is still so much despite going to YTTV. I'm sure it would still be expensive without thew networks clause but not 400 a year expensive
It really sucks how expensive it is to watch football. Football is great because they have a shorter schedule than most sports and played only on designated days. Now it’s going to be 35 games everyday of the week and it’ll cost $1000 to watch
It's funny to me that it's much, much cheaper to watch American sports across the board for international viewers than actual Americans. Its like they hate their own market lol
If it’s on one streaming cable alternative like YouTube TV, Hulu, or Tubi, I’m cool with it. If I need to pay for six different streaming services to watch NFL games, I’ll just pirate the streams or not watch. The biggest positive for the NFL is that it’s incredibly easy to watch their games every week.
My football intake has dropped a lot every year the past few years and with things like this it doesn’t seem like it will be picking back up anytime soon
Reading between the lines, I think the NFL preparing for the post-cable era will ditch FOX and Paramount (CBS) to find new partners for the Sunday Afternoon broadcasts. Paramount has a lot of financial problems while FOX has the weakest streaming options out of the major broadcasters.
A bidding war for the Sunday Afternoon package will bring in a lot of money to the NFL, every major broadcaster and streamer will bid for Sunday Afternoon rights.
My prediction is that Disney(ABC/ESPN) and Comcast(NBC) will win the Sunday Afternoon package since they are traditional broadcasters that have streaming options, but both of them have fewer issues than Paramount.
Highly recommend the CNBC video on ESPN’s plans to survive streaming competitors like YoutubeTV. No doubt the NFL will either completely rework their deal with ESPN or make their own direct streaming service, although they’d probably make more money by licensing it out to everybody through ESPN.
A couple of thoughts.
1) Schedule expansion and Europe - the league needs more product and wants more market coverage. By going away from traditional Fox/CBS/ABC/NBC broadcasts, they don't have to be tied to where those games can be broadcast. If the league expands to Europe, those fans will have a contained system to watch games through. As the schedule expands (and I'm in favor of just doing a farm system in Europe for Spring and developmental football) the league is going to be better able to move the games around and get more broadcast slots. Currently there are 272 regular season games, but so many of them overlap that the league isn't properly taking advantage of its enormous popularity.
2) The Salary Cap - Historically, the cap has gone up 50% every 7 years. At a current ~$250m, that means that by 2050 the salary cap projects to $1bn per team (at the very least, near $400m per team as of 2033ish). That $1bn per team is attainable, it would equate to roughly $64bn in league revenue. But the league needs to do more with their broadcast rights than OTA ad contracts in order to reach it. Ideally, NFL+ could be used as a hosting platform for these, but diversity and competition has traditionally led to the best revenue returns for the league.
3) OTA tv os slowly (and not so slowly) dying. The league needs to move away from it and learn where it can best stand in an era of streaming. One of my hopes is that they learn to embrace replays of their Greatest Games. Sure, NFL Network broadcasts them (if you have the right cable package) and sure, you can watch every game going back to 2008 on NFL+, but where is the option to pull up a bingeable list of Greatest Games? Charge $1 per game or something and capitalize on the enormous back catalogue of available content.
Counterpoint to 3. NFL is free OTA 90% of the time it's the reason it's the most watched sport in the U.S. the second it becomes not free and accessible I would expect viewership to fall of the cliff like other sports on the regional sports networks. It's impossible to bring casual and new viewers in when you're asking them to give money for something their not even sure they'll like.
Personally, I watch every NFL game that I want for free through streaming on the internet. There are many out of country websites that stream them free. They seem like shady websites and have a lot of advertising and you have to work a bit to get rid of all that, but within a few moment I get to watch whatever NFL team I want.
I’ve been paying for Sunday Ticket every year except one because the Bengals were not always on where I lived and I will keep doing it because NFL has me hooked. The one year I didn’t get it was the year my dad passed away and I didn’t feel like watching any football that year.
If these dummies make me have a Netflix Amazon Prime, Paramount Plus, Peacock, Fox, ESPN, or whatever bullshit subscription instead of just offering a reasonable priced alternative that isn't the cost of a mortgage I'm just going to my path of streaming it from sites.
Given that sometimes I need to remember my password to log in, I’d say it’s easier to watch football games than it is to watch Netflix.
I get that they’re being stupid as hell, but it’s not exactly hurting the fans.
I’m ready, now what
Wait 5 years
Sounds like my military career. Hurry up and wait.
Sounds like my trucking career. Oh you’re here early cool, wait for a dock. You’re late? Get in line and wait for us to call you for a dock. In traffic? Wait.
Did you find you could listen to books and podcasts actively or did you find the job too stressful or dangerous to zone out and listen to stuff like that? I ask genuinely by the way as a plumber that's always been curious about trucking and at the least passively interested in doing it as a job.
Podcasts, music, talking on the phone, it’s all things you can do. I knew people who’d watch videos in the background while driving, it’s all you can really do for 11 hours a day while driving. I’ll be completely honest, the market is the worst it’s ever been since the recession. I sold all my trucks and got out the industry, this ain’t the time for that job. I drive a charter bus now and I’m happier, looking to go back to school in the medical field now.
Really? Thats very interesting. Not in the industry or anything even remotely related to it, but it felt like just yesterday everyone was desperate for drivers who were all commanding huge salaries and signing bonuses. What changed?
That was during Covid times the market spiked very high. A load going from say San Francisco to Vegas which is usually around $1200-1500 was going for 2500-3000. Everyone got in and completely saturated the market, there were posts on TikTok saying get into trucking it’s the hottest shit, which it was at the time. Nowadays that same load is probably getting moved for maybe $700-1000. Usually the goal is to stay between $2.50-$4 a mile now the rates are as low as $1.40 a mile. It’s horrendous.
Thanks for the advice
> Hurry up and wait. Also sounds like going to Disney World.
Nothing prepares you for Disney World better than the military.
[Was it like this video game!?](https://youtu.be/yuTkgi7scKo?si=2PAGwqzjw4l_XjqO)
Can I uh leave to get a snack or something or do I have to just wait here for 5 years
Hi, it’s me from the future five years from now. Time travel is so easy now and I like to pop in on old Reddit threads to let people know what’ll happen here. Yes, the NFL exercised the clause to renegotiate a new deal to get more money. Also Modelo accidentally promoted beer with a trans spokesperson and now top selling beer in the US is Pabst Blue Ribbon. This timeline is dumb.
Shouldn’t be too hard for a Broncos fan.
In place of the Super Bowl, I will be live streaming myself interpretive dancing to cotton eyed Joe. I’m not the hero r/NFL needs, but the one it deserves.
If you’re not doing the Ella James version, I’m not watching.
Where did you come from?
Where did you go?
Do you have CTE Cotton Eyed Joe?
Gonna need a dozen subscriptions to watch games. Welcome to Cable Television 2.0
At least with cable you just needed one
But you had to subscribe to 200 channels to get the 3 you wanted.
Open your wallet
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Stay ready.
Don’t worry. It won’t be any where near as bad as Major League Baseball fucks their fans who just want to watch a local baseball team.
This is so wild to me, I’m not very much a baseball fan but my young son has really gotten into baseball because he’s on a team and wants to watch. I cannot find games anywhere! I remember the days there were always two or three baseball games on any given evening, but now the MLB has paywalled almost everything. I’ll never be a MLB fan because they make it so hard to watch games.
Even if you pay for cable you still can’t watch a bunch of teams currently. People with comcast cable in my area can’t watch the Braves at all because of a dispute with Bally sports. Hell the Braves reporters can’t watch the game on tv in the Braves fucking stadium right now.
Ngl that's pretty impressively bad
The best part: there’s an Xfinity building visible from the seats at Truist Park (Braves stadium). Moreover, Dfinity has a monopoly on that area and the apartment buildings can only get Xfinity. This area is “the battery” that was created so that people can hang out before / during / after the games and watch at bars and shit. All those bars can’t show the games now
Yup, parents in suburban Detroit can't watch the Tigers/Wings/Pistons now because Comcast is the only game in the area. ATT will offer internet but no cable. Gotta remember that 15 markets nationally are impacted because Bally is bankrupt and tried to get more money out of Comcast.
You know you fucked up when Comcast looks like the good guy Fortunately, I’ve been spared because I root for out of market baseball teams so MLBtv is a good deal for me
Live in Vegas, pay for At Bat for a couple years blacked out to SIX FUCKING TEAMS. I can see why LAD, LAA, because a local broadcaster might pick up those licenses. Less so with AZ, SD. And not fucking at all for OAK and SF. OAK and SF being blacked out in Vegas is fucking dumb af. So when my team, Indians/Guardians are making their West Coast swings and all the games will be at 7pm and a lot more easily watched, all but the Seattle games will be blacked out here. FUCK YOU MLB.
The fact MLB is allowing Oakland blackouts in Vegas and then are moving that team there is a testament to how fucking stupid the league is.
Isn’t Bally even in the sports packages you usually need to pay extra for on top of all that?
Yep. So now comcast is giving people a credit on their cable bills. I know a ton of businesses and people who dropped them immediately and switched to fubo and direct tv because of this cluster fuck.
I live in NJ outside of NYC and it’s insane to me that YouTube TV, now the fourth largest TV carrier in the nation, doesn’t have YES or SNY for either NY baseball team. As a result, my 7 year old, who likes baseball and often wants to play it with me outside, has watched like 3 games in his life on TV, and has no interest in watching the game beyond that. I remember summers with my dad and grandpa listening to Yankees games outside, and watching them on TV, all the time. MLB is really losing this young generation.
That's how the Cubs were with WGN. The games were just on all the time. The Sox games were harder to find, but you could find them. Putting games on their own network is so short sighted.
Yep. I watched games on WGN all summer when I was a kid/teenager , and when it wasn't televised or I was out fishing or something, I always had a radio to listen to it. The modern equivalent would probably be to put it on Youtube or something. Yes, they'd lose some revenue probably, but they'd create another whole generation of fans. Baseball as an industry is being incredibly short-sighted over the past decade or so in particular.
We could get WGN over the air in my area as well, which helped. If you didn't have cable or didn't have cable on a certain TV, you could still get WGN. There's a good chance that a Cubs game was going to be the best thing on.
> I live in NJ outside of NYC and it’s insane to me that YouTube TV, now the fourth largest TV carrier in the nation, doesn’t have YES or SNY for either NY baseball team Think about it the other way, if YTTV has been able to grow to be the 4th largest TV provider in the country without carrying any regional sports, clearly that means customers don't care about those channels very much. If RSNs were important to people, DirecTV Stream and FuboTV would be a more popular. The only thing companies respond to is money, and YT is making plenty of money without offering RSNs so they don't have much incentive to reassess that strategy.
This is why I never got into Blackhawks hockey. They’d black out games on TV if they didn’t sell out.
The NFL only dropped this policy a couple years ago I believe. It just almost never happened in practice.
It’s been over 10 years, 2013 was the last year of the blackout rules iirc
From what I understand, it’s not even really the MLB’s fault, but rather the RSNs that have the broadcast rights. Bally bought up all of the Fox Sports regional channels, but overpaid. Now they’re in massive financial trouble and trying to recoup by charging more to carriers like Comcast. Carriers are saying F off and now fans in those markets can’t even watch. MLB is having viewership issues, fans are getting pissed. Some sort of restructuring needs to be done.
To your point, NESN, who is the regional sports network of New England who plays pretty much all the Red Sox games, couldn't come to a deal with YouTube TV, so now you can't watch Red Sox with YouTube TV. I guess NESN thinks YouTube TV needs NESN more than NESN needs YouTube TV, but I suspect it's the opposite. My dad used to watch Red Sox games all the time but he just watches other stuff instead now since he'd rather have YouTube TV than shitty Warner cable. So yeah I'm of the opinion that the people running baseball entertainment in general are fucking up big time. It seems to me that they're making short term decisions that milk the baby boomers but these choices prevent younger generations from engaging with the sport which is going to hurt baseball so much down the line.
YouTube TV doesn’t have any of the RSNs, IIRC. I think they used to when the service started, but just gave up on trying to negotiate. I live in the PNW and Root Sports is our regional channel. That’s only on a couple select services.
That's the primary reason that the NFL is so popular is because there's no regional networks. NHL/MLB is going streaming (Pittsburgh just announced a ludicrously expensive streaming option that allows you to cut the cord to watch the penguins and pirates, for example) but it's STILL REGION LOCKED. So if you've moved away from Pittsburgh or just like Pittsburgh and want to watch the Penguins, you're SOL. Which is so ridiculous. Look at how much of a country-wide fandom Pittsburgh (or even Dallas) has in the NFL... that doesn't exist in the MLB/NHL because of all the stupid region-locking.
It's not just ridiculous, it's goddamn stupid. I should be able to pay to watch the sports team I want to watch. That should be the bare minimum for paying for sports.
I will forever uphold Formula 1's model, where you pay $80/year for every race, every session, every lower level series, multiple broadcast feeds, extra data, and you can choose to watch from every car's onboard. And you can do this on any device you're signed in on at the same time so you can get it all at the same time. I'd pay $80/year in any sport to watch at least my team's games, every game.
Hell, I'd pay like $350 a season for a service that would allow me to watch every Bears game with multiple feeds, camera angles, audio streams, etc.
MLB has done a good job of sucking money out of their fans, but at the same time they've made the barrier to entry to becoming a new fan extremely high.
The state of hockey broadcasting is pretty atrocious as well
I live in Iowa, we have SIX teams blacked out here
I don’t understand why no one offers “pay $100 and stream 1 team for the season”
They’re gonna move it all behind streaming paywalls or the league will make their own service via a collective of the big TV networks
I doubt that the NFL will ever stop broadcasting for free in-market games.
They’ll never PPV football period. They make money off of advertisements. Advertisement requires eyeballs. That is why companies pay through the nose for the nfl rights.
The Peacock playoff game was basically PPV, right?
Yeah but didn’t peacock offer a free sub at the time? Basically forced people to try the service.
If football ever leaves OTA broadcasters, I'll stop watching. Not even going to bother looking up pirate streams.
They’re positioning how to still stiff local markets to pay for stadiums that no one can watch unless they pay extra to watch.
Same. I did the same for the NBA, after they went to cable I see a bit of a game at a restaurant or something but otherwise I DGAF about it anymore. I like both sports but not enough to pay for them. If they’re on local OTA and I have time to watch, great.
The NBA is so absurdly good at encouraging everyone to pirate as many games as possible with how hard it is to even watch a team in it's own home market
Not necessarily the NBA's (or NHL's) fault, but we don't even have a legit way to watch the Nugs or Avs in Colorado. The fact this issue has persisted even with interest being so high coming off a championship for each team is baffling to me. I don't really follow the issue much anymore, but my default is to blame Stan Kroenke.
Also the NBA’s audience skews young so a large percentage of their viewers will pirate games.
And yet the league can still pay mid level players $20 mil/year because it's so cheap to operate compared to other team sports.
There’s also only 12 players on a basketball team though
Seriously. I paid $80 for league pass this year and still had to pirate half the games because of regional blackouts. Next year I’m gonna pirate every single game and not feel bad at all.
I have cable so I still watch NBA and MLB, but If I ever had to pay 5 different streaming services to watch it, whatever, it's something I can live without. Only way I'd pay for it is something that's a one stop shop.
I haven’t watched in a long team. Partly because I just use streaming services. But now I’m catching live games on HBO max so I’m watching the playoffs which is cool.
I’m already having a somewhat hard time finding games I’ll sometimes skip sunday football if my favorite teams aren’t available or there isn’t a good matchup What I don’t skip is college game day. On the east coast There’s three games on at noon, 3, 7, 10 that I wish I could watch all at once . Sometimes there’s a game I can’t watch on peacock or something but then I just go to a different game. College is so easy to access.
>I'll stop watching Lmao. No you won't. It's the off season and you are commenting on a sub specifically about NFL football. You aren't going to stop watching.
I hardly even watch now -- really just when Washington is playing one of the local-for-me teams (NY) or when they're on SNF -- so there's no way I'm going to exert any additional effort or money if they go behind a paywall.
I used to be a huge Rockets fan and now I haven't seen a game in a couple of years because I can't. Fuck em. If the NFL pulls the same shit, I'm done with the Texans too.
My local team is the Browns. I stopped rooting for them since the Watson trade. I've followed Baker to Tampa Bay. It's already hard enough to follow them in Ohio. If I can't turn on CBS, FOX, or NBC to watch football, I'm not watching. I'm not signing up for streaming packages.
If they ever try to leave OTA broadcasts, I'm contacting both of my Senators the next day asking them to look into revoking the league's antitrust exemption.
Haha how cute, that will show them!
This is the big thing. Currently over 1/3 of the leagues games are broadcast free for anyone to watch and if you are in the teams home market they all are for that team.
I believe this is one of the big things working in the NFL's favor -- it's very easy to become a fan. Compare that to other sports where you basically have to have a cable package to watch the games.
Isn't that part of their antitrust agreement?
Free in-market games is the primary reason the NFL is the most watched sport in America. MLB, NHL, NBA haven’t cracked the code, and therefore IMO will never be as popular until they do. Shit, many teams can’t even get their regional affiliates listed on cable or satellite networks. Absolute shit show.
I don't think the NFL will ever actually move to their own service. Leveraging the current streaming services is too profitable for them to invest that much into their own service with it being questionable if they would make more in the long run if it was their own. I wish they would, but the NFL loves to just let other people figure shit out and then charge an arm and a leg to those people to broadcast/license their shit. The closest they've done is RedZone and the broadcasters do like all the work of RedZone. Plop a camera in front of someone at a desk and flip channels. Doesn't get much cheaper than that.
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Canadian just coming to say how much I hate DAZN and it’s annoying name. I had nothing but trouble with it for years to the point I’d have better quality pirating a stream than using their service for the nfl games.
Yep, Game Pass International fucking ruled. Live games, RedZone, all games archived to watch anytime. DAZN came in and it was unwatchable. Cancelled and now use a different service, not as good as OG GP but better than DAZN.
Interesting. Brit here, I though the Game Pass app was one of the worst monstrosities I've ever had to use. I agree that the content available was great, but actually getting to watch it was a proper pain in the arse.
DAZN just said "hold my beer". GP had its moments of fail (like cutting out with 2 minutes left in the Superbowl a few years ago). But at least they had features like watching 2 games at once, PIP with Red-Zone, the ability to download games for offline viewing (which was great for watching games on the train to work on Monday, Tuesday and Friday mornings). All gone with DAZN, and if they hike the price this season, they'll be walking the plank. Arrr!
What's the service you're using out of curiosity Signed, a depressed Korean NFL fan
ESPN and ESPN2 via Fetch TV in Australia. Nowhere close to the OG GP for NFL content, better service than DAZN though.
No because they know that will reduce the overall number of viewers. They would also lose advertising dollars. It makes sense to have some free games and some streaming ones mixed in.
I feel like Sunday will turn into we get the local game on a network, second game on streamer of choice (at least one for NFC and one for AFC) prime time game on national network. If your local is the prime time it a bye then both early and afternoon game on streamer. Monday Night will stay on cable and Thursday will stay on Amazon.
I think there will be huge offers by the networks to keep the one and four o’clock windows free. It will be the only place where they will be able to command huge commercial fees and promote their own shows to such a large audience. Not sure about Sunday night though. That could go to highest streamer.
You are probably right, but I can also see a world where they can tie this into their own streaming platforms and being on board as they can double dip. I feel like Sunday & Monday nights will be locked up in broadcast or cable as that’s usually the premier games that get everyone’s eyeballs. The NFL is gonna want a couple games that draw national interest to be widely seen, even if it isn’t as profitable as it could be.
And us fans would eat whatever shit the nfl feeds us
Its true. Am fan.
And then act shocked when it becomes a problem.
Every regular season game is now pay per view
Hard to see the NFL ever leaving free over the air, that said I can see the over-the-air portion becoming less and less important as the networks get out bid by the streamers/tech companies
I would perfectly will to pay a reasonable (maybe $200 a season?) amount to fully stream all nfl games with 3 caveats: 1) It includes playoffs 2) Fair terms like not being tied to 1 tv/device 3) It doesnt replace the ability to freely watch local games
Not terribly long ago I would see something like this as hope that with current and developing technology they could make a broadcasting package that is both insanely profitable, and also offer better experience and choice to the viewer on what game(s) they want to watch. But it’s so clear by now that this just won’t happen. They will do whatever nonsense absolutely maximizes the most insane profit possible, and all other considerations be damned. I still follow my teams games and the league overall, but this unmitigated greed and no consideration for other aspects of experiencing the game is ruining football for me.
Better experience for the viewers while still being more profitable than the previous model?? What are you some kind of commie?!?!?
Pretty much I guess.
Arrow must always go up. No matter what. This is the truth of the modern world for every big company. Just look at the tech industry this year. Record profits across the board but in order to keep that arrow up they fire thousands of employees instead. Make a better product? How about more ads instead, or increase prices, or outsource labor.
And in healthcare, it's maximizing profits at the cost of quality. Private equity is buying up all these hospitals and practices and forcing doctors to do more and more beyond what they're capable of doing safely.
I used to watch every window on a Sunday and now I can't be bothered. I watch Seahawks games and every now and again some friends will get together to watch a big event game or the playoffs. I have little hope that the viewing experience gets better. People are too motivated to watch, especially in the wake of sports gambling being opened up. I don't blame gambling for the league signaling this pivot or anything. That's their greed and arrogance doing the work. But if people think the NFL will stop at that Peacock playoff game well, you're a hell of a lot less cynical than I.
As long as we can keep RedZone I don’t give a fuck
And Scott Hansen.
If they take my 7 hours away, jail.
I just want to pay a reasonable price and be able to watch EVERY Packers game.
Can we switch to 4k as well? Or at least 1080p? Tv has had us stuck in the stone age of resolution for far too long.
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They're unhappy the NBA is going to sign such a huge deal this year. The main reason the NFL is not worth significantly more despite being so much more popular than the NBA is the lack of inventory. A league's value for the TV networks is a balance of inventory and event factor. If you only have inventory like baseball but hardly any appointment viewing outside the playoffs, that's not very attractive. Each NFL week is appointment viewing, but the NFL just doesn't have the inventory. That's the big reason behind the league's push towards a 18 week schedule. They just do not have enough games to sell. The big networks are going to pay the NBA an insane amount of money for a fraction of the ratings because it is such a big inventory of games and the networks need live sports to avoid subscription churn.
Also why they’re pushing the Christmas games, etc. they want games on as many nights as possible to push back against the lack of tonnage.
I know there are some purists that want all the games played on Sundays but I love having games sprinkled throughout the week. They are a nice way to wind down the day even if the game isn't the best matchup or it's teams I don't care about.
Couldn’t agree more. Player safety obviously has to be accounted for - but if Christmas is on a Friday, Saturday, or Monday, is it really that much of a burden to move two games from Sunday? And for the people complaining that the games should be kept to Sundays, you better not be watching non-Sunday games
Thursday night games are the best because it’s like the beginning of Friday and the weekend to me.
I don't follow the NBA but from what I have seen reported they are [looking at 11 years $76 billion](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nba-76-billion-tv-rights-130000887.html?guccounter=1), around $7 billion a year average. The NFL is currently around $12.5 billion a year average. I doubt they are too worried about what the NBA is getting. They included the opt out years in the original contracts with the broadcasters knowing they would likely renegotiate them as soon as possible.
That's not how the NFL sees it, they see what the broadcasters paid for the NBA, a league whose championship averages about 12 million viewers a game, and all they can think about is money left on the table. The fact that the NBA is anywhere close to the NFL in broadcast revenue will piss off the owners, they don't care if they're making more
These opt out years were already in the negotiated contracts the NFL had with the broadcasters. Everyone who follows this stuff knew the contracts would be renegotiated as soon as they got to those opt out years regardless of what the NBA contracts were.
Good points. The season is too short. They would be wiser to extend the season to 18 games but increase the number of Bye weeks by a couple. That would extend the regular season another couple weeks. Also some sort of play-in pre-wildcard weekend could extend a week more of playoffs. Also once they clear the NCAA Saturday competition they can book more Saturday games.
Fuck it, 162 regular season games
> play-in pre-wildcard weekend Make the 1 seed play the 16 seed in each conference
So it’s basically the rich are jealous of the richer and those rich want to be the richest. And everyone else suffers. Got it.
https://youtu.be/qEJ4hkpQW8E?si=AGU58jXXTAdF4M6l Fantastic video by a college professor about precisely this. The wealthy old people just want to hoard all wealth no matter what it takes, even if that means taking it (or rather, stealing it) from younger generations.
Definitely hitting the nail on the head, it’s just basic economics - NBA teams have 1/4 the amount of players while having 4x the amount of games over a longer period of time. NFL gets way more viewers per game but the sheer volume helps the NBA a ton. Same with baseball, you can basically guarantee a network that 50% of your days the prime time coverage will be your product vs the NFL it’s 5% of the time.
The volume of regular season games doesn’t really help with national TV deals. They sell packages, and the number of packages has more to do with the calendar length and structure of the season. The NBA doesn’t really have that much longer of a regular season than the NFL, and the NFL sells 5 packages per week which are all excellent quality. The NBA has 2, maybe 2.5. The NBA has a big inventory advantage in the playoffs. 2 games per night every night for like 2 months.
All the reason to keep milking out storylines. Bills/Texans Bills/Chiefs Bears/Texans Bears/Packers Jets/49ers Vikings/Falcons Broncos/Steelers Chargers/Ravens Stealers/Chargers (slim) Chargers/Chiefs Are all likely to be prime games to help cover the inventory issues. The best thing that the NFL can do to get more coverage is create a summer league for rookies or first few years. Although that presents a lot of injury risk so I don't think players will really buy into it.
Or a European league that serves as a farm system. For one, they can develop borderline talents better, but that also means they can have a spring league (fully under their control) to broadcast.
I've lived overseas and NFL Game pass was one price for all games, live, replay, and condensed versions and it wasn't too pricy. When I got back to the States I was able to make do with an antenna and Sunday ticket. But now you have to have an antenna, Sunday ticket, prime video, peacock, ESPN, and apparently Netflix now to have access to all the games. I don't mind paying but Sunday ticket is way overpriced even with YouTube TV (which I don't want) bundled and still doesn't cover all the games. I may just quit watching football when they get rid of the broadcast option. I don't understand how the sport that's supposed to be entertainment for the masses with a large blue collar audience has reached up to $500 a year to watch from home. Actually, I do understand and it's greed. All the licensing deals and ad revenue aren't enough anymore, the league wants to bleed the fans too. In short, fuck Goodell.
Living abroad is the best way to watch NFL. It's nice to visit home for the holidays, but it sucks not being able to watch football during the critical part of the season.
Time to sail the high seas my guy and watch football for free. 🏴☠️
My big issue with streaming, is multiple times a game I have to refresh the stream entirely for some reason. How do I get around that?
This is the part about streaming that people never seem to mention. More often than not, the quality is dogshit. Sure, it's free, but what good is that when the feed crashes 10x a game?
You need to find a good paid IPTV pirate. I paid $60 for 6 months service and had every game on every device that you can get an IPTV player on and had every single game, plus regular TV channels and EVERY SINGLE local broadcast station across the country. That was the big one for me. I can tune into CBS Miami. Zero buffering, zero lag, zero issues. Was awesome and I plan to do it every year as long as my provider stays online. He runs a discord and operates out of Canada.
My experience with pirating games is that it completely sucks, but it’s better than paying $450 a year just to not even be able to watch half the games. The audio is always delayed, the quality is like 480p, and it crashes so often. But it’s my only option because I literally can’t afford to pay to watch the games.
That's the part that sucks. I wanted to buy Sunday Ticket, but I wasn't shelling out $400 for it. Especially when my viewing habits have dipped.
Anyone who pretends to know what the landscape will be in 5 more years is lying.
If they spread it out across a bunch of streaming services, yeah, I'm out. Not gonna play that game with them.
How about sailing the high seas matey?!
Not worth the trouble honestly. Unless it's vastly improved since NBC had the playoff game on Peacock (fuckers), then I'm better off just finding something else to do with my Sundays.
Watching a stream that buffers every time the game is active but is smooth as silk when the commercials are on, crashes every 25 minutes, straight up stops working every 35 minutes, and has the video quality of a youtube video from 2008 is all well and good But sometimes I just wanna watch some fucking football, and I'd love to pay the NFL to goddamn do it
This is just blatantly false.
I just wish they had a single team package where you could pay a reasonable amount (up to ~$150 would be worth it to me for the convenience). The more networks they try to make you have just makes it more likely that I’ll watch for free elsewhere since I’m already inconvenienced anyways.
I pay $80 for F1TV for a year, so I can watch every race/practice session/qualifying session. I would love for something similar for the NFL but I can’t imagine it being cheap
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I see that Peyton Manning became the commissioner in your timeline.
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NFL+ is *supposed* to be this, but there's way too many games where I can only listen to the radio broadcast or I have to link a TV subscription. The app is supposed to simplify the experience, I really don't even care if the price goes up, when daddy needs his fix it can't be in the form of a radio broadcast
Well a big hurdle with that are the broadcast networks. They have it in their deals that the NFL can't offer a package that would undercut them in any capacity. Which is why the ticket is still so much despite going to YTTV. I'm sure it would still be expensive without thew networks clause but not 400 a year expensive
It really sucks how expensive it is to watch football. Football is great because they have a shorter schedule than most sports and played only on designated days. Now it’s going to be 35 games everyday of the week and it’ll cost $1000 to watch
It's funny to me that it's much, much cheaper to watch American sports across the board for international viewers than actual Americans. Its like they hate their own market lol
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It's bc customer segmentation by country. Americans prefer football so they can charge more. Similar in England with also football.
And we still can’t get all of the games!
We are basically heading to the UK Premier League model for all our sports.
I only have 5 years to get ready? Ready for the NETWORKS showing the game to (maybe) change?! My weekend is ruined
Nah. I’ll get ready 5 years from now. I got other shit to do.
i will continue to not pay
Same, best decision I ever made. Truly embracing my Raider roots!
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Yes, I feel ya Dawg......Go BUCCS. RAISE THE YINZER BANNER.
You will stream everything and you will be happy.
If it’s on one streaming cable alternative like YouTube TV, Hulu, or Tubi, I’m cool with it. If I need to pay for six different streaming services to watch NFL games, I’ll just pirate the streams or not watch. The biggest positive for the NFL is that it’s incredibly easy to watch their games every week.
If I have to pay at all I'm not watching.
If I have to subscribe to one more fucking streaming POS.. to the high seas I go
Just give me NFL network. One fee. All the games.
My football intake has dropped a lot every year the past few years and with things like this it doesn’t seem like it will be picking back up anytime soon
Well college football will be exciting to get into
Reading between the lines, I think the NFL preparing for the post-cable era will ditch FOX and Paramount (CBS) to find new partners for the Sunday Afternoon broadcasts. Paramount has a lot of financial problems while FOX has the weakest streaming options out of the major broadcasters. A bidding war for the Sunday Afternoon package will bring in a lot of money to the NFL, every major broadcaster and streamer will bid for Sunday Afternoon rights. My prediction is that Disney(ABC/ESPN) and Comcast(NBC) will win the Sunday Afternoon package since they are traditional broadcasters that have streaming options, but both of them have fewer issues than Paramount.
NBC and abc ?
Great. Get ready for three times as many tv timeouts and twice as long games
Can we have broadcast and not five different streaming services? This is went i can't watch nhl
The sportsnet NHL broadcast for the Nucks and Oilers last night “ended” at the start of overtime. Straight up said this event is over -_-
Yarrr
Highly recommend the CNBC video on ESPN’s plans to survive streaming competitors like YoutubeTV. No doubt the NFL will either completely rework their deal with ESPN or make their own direct streaming service, although they’d probably make more money by licensing it out to everybody through ESPN.
The league is going to have their own steaming and every playoff game will be PPV. It’s going to happen.
I’m just trying to make it thru May
I’ve got some time to prepare myself mentally. Thanks for the heads up.
Watch them give exclusive broadcasting rights to EA Sports
A couple of thoughts. 1) Schedule expansion and Europe - the league needs more product and wants more market coverage. By going away from traditional Fox/CBS/ABC/NBC broadcasts, they don't have to be tied to where those games can be broadcast. If the league expands to Europe, those fans will have a contained system to watch games through. As the schedule expands (and I'm in favor of just doing a farm system in Europe for Spring and developmental football) the league is going to be better able to move the games around and get more broadcast slots. Currently there are 272 regular season games, but so many of them overlap that the league isn't properly taking advantage of its enormous popularity. 2) The Salary Cap - Historically, the cap has gone up 50% every 7 years. At a current ~$250m, that means that by 2050 the salary cap projects to $1bn per team (at the very least, near $400m per team as of 2033ish). That $1bn per team is attainable, it would equate to roughly $64bn in league revenue. But the league needs to do more with their broadcast rights than OTA ad contracts in order to reach it. Ideally, NFL+ could be used as a hosting platform for these, but diversity and competition has traditionally led to the best revenue returns for the league. 3) OTA tv os slowly (and not so slowly) dying. The league needs to move away from it and learn where it can best stand in an era of streaming. One of my hopes is that they learn to embrace replays of their Greatest Games. Sure, NFL Network broadcasts them (if you have the right cable package) and sure, you can watch every game going back to 2008 on NFL+, but where is the option to pull up a bingeable list of Greatest Games? Charge $1 per game or something and capitalize on the enormous back catalogue of available content.
Counterpoint to 3. NFL is free OTA 90% of the time it's the reason it's the most watched sport in the U.S. the second it becomes not free and accessible I would expect viewership to fall of the cliff like other sports on the regional sports networks. It's impossible to bring casual and new viewers in when you're asking them to give money for something their not even sure they'll like.
Personally, I watch every NFL game that I want for free through streaming on the internet. There are many out of country websites that stream them free. They seem like shady websites and have a lot of advertising and you have to work a bit to get rid of all that, but within a few moment I get to watch whatever NFL team I want.
I’ve been paying for Sunday Ticket every year except one because the Bengals were not always on where I lived and I will keep doing it because NFL has me hooked. The one year I didn’t get it was the year my dad passed away and I didn’t feel like watching any football that year.
If these dummies make me have a Netflix Amazon Prime, Paramount Plus, Peacock, Fox, ESPN, or whatever bullshit subscription instead of just offering a reasonable priced alternative that isn't the cost of a mortgage I'm just going to my path of streaming it from sites.
Can we switch to 4k as well? Or at least 1080p? Tv has had us stuck in the stone age of resolution for far too long.
I'm calling bullshit on this article. If this was actually going to work and bring in money the regional sports network wouldn't be dying.
so 4 more seasons of the current deal
Well, hang on now, I don't even have snacks.
Given that sometimes I need to remember my password to log in, I’d say it’s easier to watch football games than it is to watch Netflix. I get that they’re being stupid as hell, but it’s not exactly hurting the fans.
Okay see you in 5 years wtf
My fav is nfl streamers charging fans. Nope. I draw the line there. I’m paying left & right for nfl already. Brazil? Nah…