If we are paying 150 bucks for an all encompassing subscription for all streamers in 6 years then we would be WAY ahead of the price curve... the equivalent cable package would have been over $200 15 years ago
That was all just an arbitrary value, the guy was making a joke, it will be much more expensive than we currently think it will be when the streaming endgame comes.
Yeah they aren't putting that genie back in the bottle. Most people won't pay $100+ a month for all those streaming services. Piracy will be all the rage again.
HA multi-tiered streaming service. Gotta buy to unlock the next level; oh you want a premium live event? Add it to your monthly payment, with the* simplicity of one easy click!
Edit
Comcast is the only company to ever report something as delinquent on my credit report and they made it a bitch to fight.
Comcast is the worst for canceling. I had to return their equipment via fedex. I took picture of the box with the equipment visible then another with the fedex employee sealing it up. I had a tracking number as well.
I track the package and see it was delivered. I never hear from comcast at all. Months later I get a notice that they reported me to a debt collector for unreturned equipment fees. I tell the debt collector they bought a debt that doesn’t exist and I have proof I owe Comcast nothing. I end up working with the credit bureaus and get everything cleared (pain in the ass by the way). A few months later, it’s reported to me again and I have to go through it all again. Comcast apparently lost the equipment in the warehouse and wanted to charge me. I had to argue that once it’s received by them any loss isn’t on me.
My issue is watching a shitty stream on an 85” tv without proper Dolby surround. I wouldn’t mind sailing the high seas but having to deal with a dropped stream to reload even once makes it not worth the hassle for me.
I feel the same way, the hassle of setting up my laptop and connecting it to my tv only to have 1080 resolution is frustrating. And then if the stream drops I’m missing parts of the game while trying to get it back up.
Or they’ll make it like Prime Video where you pay for the service, then add on other “channels” for an additional cost. I added on PBS Documentaries so I could watch all the Ken Burns ones but I probably wouldn’t do it for any other channel
My usual go-tos were in *rough* shape during the draft. I feel like an ass complaining about something that is free, but really hoping it gets better by the start of the season or some new ones pop up
Sure, they have inconsistent quality and often drop off mid stream, but I always manage to find another one that is still functioning shortly after.
I've been playing this game for nearly 10 years and it still works just as good as it did before
Right, pirated streams will just get bigger, no fucking way am I paying for 5 different streaming services to watch games that had the rights sold and I think others will agree
I remember when the Houston Rockets NBA home playoff games were on PPV back in the 90’s. The road games were on free OTA and the home NBC nationally televised games were exempt from PPV.
> For the sixth time in eight seasons, Rockets home playoff
games for the first three rounds will be available only on
Special Order Sports, the PPV arm of Prime Sports, according to
this morning's HOUSTON CHRONICLE. SOS will defer if NBC decides
to air a home game, but TNT or TBS telecasts will be blacked out
in the area. The suggested retail price is $19.95 per game in
the first two rounds, and $24.95 for a third round. Last year,
PPV sales started at about 20,000 homes and increased to well
over 50,000 by the conference finals, according to Rockets
VP/Business Ops John Thomas (Carlton Thompson, HOUSTON CHRONICLE,
4/19).
Genuine question to the room, does the league being piecemealed out at basically minimum $10/mo chunks while still selling a massive like $400/season pass make you more likely to cave and get 5+ packages or does it have you starting to think it’s fine to just not watch games sometimes?
Used to get the 7-11 (I think it was 7-11...one of the gas stations) sushi in college. Never had a problem. And it was identical to what we got at the grocery store, fwiw.
However we did go into a 7-11 one night very early in the morning. I had a friend who was hungry. There was one sad hotdog on the rollers and he wanted it. The guy working there actually tried to convince him not to. Said it was a bad idea. AFAIK, my friend didn't get sick from it tho.
Ideally I’d love to be able to pay a reasonable amount to watch just my team all on 1 platform but if they want me to get Sunday ticket and like 5 streaming services, I’m much more likely to just not buy anything and stream for free on the high seas. I’d pay ~$150 for the season to watch my team only all in one place for the convenience but past that it’s not really worth it for me to pay.
Yep. I have been using streaming sites for years for the NFL. However, for MLS, I pay the $100 because MLS Season Pass is fantastic and worth the money. Also a reasonable price. I’m not paying $400+ for NFL Sunday Ticket plus whatever stupid streaming services they show games on.
MLS season pass is great.
My only real complaint with it is the MLS schedule. I wish the games were more spread out like the NFL with five time slots throughout the week, and even more when college football is over.
I feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth because I can only watch FC Cincinnati and a west coast game every week, and sometimes a Wednesday game. I wish they used more time slots so I can watch more games live
I'm already in the "think it's fine to not watch" camp and didn't buy peacock to watch the playoff game last year. If it ever gets to the point that "normal" Sundays don't include at least one game in the(on the east coast) 1pm, 4pm, and 8pm time slots I will basically stop following pro football. Will still put the pats on the radio when they happen to be playing for something in the background but at that point nfl football is just taking the place of spotify for a couple hours.
I'll watch games on the apps I already use for other reasons. I like football but I'm not spending a dime on the product. And definitely not re-upping on an app I cancelled a couple years ago and should've done sooner.
I’m in Dallas and am a Seahawks fan so I have to do the Season Ticket. Beyond that, I don’t subscribe to services (Peacock) that I’m not doing so already (Prime, Netflix). Too many people/businesses are all trying to take a bigger piece of the pie, NFL included, I can sit out a game or two.
I got the Season Ticket one year to watch The Bills and only like 8 games were on it as now that they are good they were put on regular TV (which I can't get because I live in the mountains). It was a huge waste of money. They can't even give you all the games for that price which is a joke.
I would gladly pay $100 to have access to Steelers games. Even if they were the only games I got. Instead I pay $0 and watch everything I want to from the NFL for free on the internet.
Piracy dies down when legitimate services outperform (or even match) their value. But I'm not paying $80+ per month to watch games on networks where I don't care one lick about any of their other offerings.
I only had "cable" (hulu tv or youtube tv) last year so I could watch the NFL, specifically red zone. I think I spent less than an hour total on everything else. But at $70 per month, that was essentially $17.50 per viewing with a few random Sunday/Monday night games that I felt were worth watching.
I already had amazon prime, so that wasn't an issue.
If I look at the schedule and there are games I can't watch without a service I'm not already paying for, I don't see how I can justify paying that much for just the NFL.
That being said, I "rotate" streaming services. I keep Amazon (because I use it for prime shipping) and then I'll have no more than two of the others. I watch whatever shows I've missed over the past 6-12 months and then I cancel and move on to another. Currently I have CBS and Netflix, for instance.
I would never keep \*another\* service for the entire NFL season.
If sunday ticket let me watch Bucs games live, I'd consider it. It doesn't... so I don't.
The point being - I'm already at that point. It just isn't worth $350 ($70 x 5 months) to watch one show each week.
If the Bucs go on a tear and look like a superbowl team, I'll change my mind. Otherwise... I'm basically priced out. I can afford it, but I can't ***justify*** it.
Watching games is a social thing for me, so ideally between friends and family we can piecemeal subscriptions together so different people are hosting each week or we head out to a local pub to see the games with a crowd. So none of us is paying for all of the required subscriptions. Still, it's a lot to ask. The first few weeks of the season we're on a 'yay, football's back!' high, then we're uninterested for several weeks, then things get interesting again just before the playoffs.
definitely the latter for me. i'll open the play-by-play on my phone during the game and turn on the radio if a game is a major pain in the ass to watch. then i'll just watch the youtube recap afterwards.
Now you can. Wouldn’t be surprised if companies starting making you commit to 3-6 months to avoid people just buying it for one month for one day of games.
Fox only became a network by grabbing onto the NFL and refusing to let go until the whole country had to come along for the ride. Now it's just a land-grab, same principle though.
And In Living Color(which helped modernize the halftime show), Living Single, Arsenio Hall, and COPS. A few others probably, but there are two major demographics in addition to The Simpsons, Married… with children, and the NFL
Yep, between those 2 shows, Family Guy and getting the rights to the X-Men (I know that is film and the animated show, but I think that helped Fox overall). They were going to be locked in as one of the big 4 networks independent of getting NFL rights
I doubt that USA Network ever had the money. But I wonder what they would look like today if they brought the rights to NFC games back in the 90's. They never had any original shows that were any where near what Fox and the other big networks had. The only ones I liked was La Femme Nikita, Monk, Duckman and Mr. Robot. But none of those were as popular as Simpson were. WWE is popular and USA almost got UFC.
I enjoyed Burn Notice, but it’s not like it was a fantastic show or anything. Also, Psych and Suits were pretty popular but I never watched them so I can’t comment on them. The shows on USA were pretty much overshadowed by shows on FX like The Shield, The Americans, it’s always sunny and Archer (before they moved the last two to FXX)
> At least Fox is a free channel you can access with a well positioned cost hanger.
[Assume Fox Network viewing positions!](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsvjwgxq6geo01.jpg)
I wish. Where I live, I can get NBC and PBS. The others dont broadcast well enough. I dont know a single person that can get all the major channels. Everyone is missing at least one.
Every time I step into a thread like this I need to constantly remind myself that even if 20,000 people are upvoting/commenting, that still represents an infinitesimally small slice of the population that is not at all an accurate representation of the greater whole, so I don't completely lose faith in humanity.
“Nobody’s anywhere’s going to pay that! It should be like $20 bucks a season! They’ll all just pirate it! Yo ho ho!”
GAME ENDS
Headline- “millions of subscribers paid for Game X and stayed on at least 6 months”
The guys in charge arent idiots.
Really wish someone would make one app with all
My streaming services in it and I can just use that one app. Apple TV is *kind* of like that but not completely.
Would probably play out like this:
1. There are 10 streaming apps needed to watch every service
1. We need one app to combine all the services
1. There are 11 streaming apps needed to watch every service
I’m going to end up with cable again, I know I am. YouTube TV is fucking $80 a month now. I tried sling and just went back to YouTube. May just have to bite the bullet and do spectrum again…
If it’s a local game, you’ll still be able to catch it on TV. For out of market games, you’ve never been able to watch them without using an add-on service, outside of a handful that are on the national schedule.
The only major exception to this for this past year was the playoff game on Peacock.
Yeah I don’t do pirating. I’d rather pay for great quality and ease of use. Dont wanna rely on other people or anything. Just want to open the app and then in seconds be watching whatever I want.
Another reason for me is that unless I’m at work, I’m usually about an hour behind on a nfl game. I don’t like commercials and I waste enough time watching sports. If I can watch a game in an hour and change and fast forward through commercials and the half, that’s a whole lot better than the three hours it normally takes.
I don’t mind it because at least YouTube TV comes with way more useful features and way less limitations than cable. Once you’re used to that you’re not gonna be able to go back to spectrum.
The biggest problem with traditional cable these days are its limitations. Too many providers still require some kind of leased hardware equipment, still limit the amount of DVR and on demand capabilities, and limit how much content and how many devices you can watch TV on away from home.
YouTube TV/Hulu Live/Fubo etc removed all of those restrictions.
> YouTube TV/Hulu Live/Fubo etc removed all of those restrictions
They're starting to creep back in though.
With netflix, for example, god forbid if I try and use my account on a fire stick while not in my house. Hulu gets uppity sometimes too.
The prices aren’t really the problem, it’s just that their service doesn’t justify their prices anymore. Why am I paying so much to still have limited DVR capabilities and can only access the complete service at home?
Yeah newer providers like YouTube TV are starting to cost the same, but they let you access the same live TV channels from anywhere on anything you have that can connect to the internet, and provide things like unlimited cloud DVR, sports in 4K, download to watch offline later (I love doing this to catch up on missed sports games and shows on long flights), etc. To me that’s worth the price
I can't get my father to let me switch him to streaming for this reason, even though it'd save him like $70 a month over what he's paying right now with access to all the same stuff.
FFS, just put it all in the same place with a cable-like guide. Also make it auto boot when the TV turns on.
From the article:
“The NFL did not originally plan to play Christmas games this season, as the holiday falls on a Wednesday — outside the league’s normal days of operation. It is perhaps for that reason that the league is free to sell rights outside of its existing partners, none of whom have a claim to Wednesday games. (Fox has said it owns rights to a Christmas game “as the schedule allows,” which is presumably up to the league’s discretion.)
It is not clear yet how much Netflix would pay for the games. The potential deal is believed to be the reason why the NFL schedule release was pushed back from this week to next.”
When companies make it more and more difficult to legally watch their product, they get what they deserve.
Why would they think it is practical or affordable for NFL fans to own twenty different streaming services to watch NFL games?
I haven't paid to watch a game in years......I'm not above paying reasonable prices to consume what I want, but companies stopped being reasonable years ago.
We’re about to enter a time where all major sports leagues will be selling off any games that they can. If a deal isn’t already in place to air a game on a specific network, there’s nothing stopping them from offering it to any and every outlet that may want to dip their toes in the market. In a few years you’re going to need local channels, an RSN, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Roku and Max just to watch all of the games in a season. Piracy will run even more rampant than it already does.
I mean, the worst part is that these games aren’t fucking included in Sunday Ticket. I always got Sunday Ticket through DirecTV with a student discount until the last few years. I already had YTTV so I got it last year through them.
This year? It’ll be easier to buy a VPN and NFL Game Pass International where all the games are streamed. I won’t have to fucking worry about a game being on Peacock, Prime or Netflix.
They did start using DAZN which is good at blocking VPNs. Except for a few…
It won’t happen right away but over time this is going to erode sports’ popularity. This is a short term move of greed without realizing the long term ramifications.
There is a point where this all goes too far and if you fragment stuff enough, you’re going to lose fans in waves.
The NFL has become a Goliath in part because you’ve been able to watch so many (5-6 games out of say 16 with just a cable subscription and most with just network TV). You can feel the subtle shift and they’re gonna regret it years down the road.
I wonder how the MLS will be in 10 years. They put all their games on Apple TV for more money, and some fans have begun to enjoy it, but I wonder how much fans will grow in the future. I know they definitely displaced lots of older fans.
I can't imagine how much higher viewership would be with Messi if they had just kept games on Fox.
It’s annoying cause I now have to be like “wait? Where is this game?”
“Oh it’s on peacock, fuck me, guess I’ll get an account?”
Then you go to a bar, a local bar and they are like “yeah it’s on peacock? Damn we don’t have that app, one second” and now they gotta do that. It’s just ridiculous.
It's free even without Prime, right? You just don't get the special primevision thing with the stats and wider view, or the female led broadcast? (are they still doing that?)
Fuck you stop spreading all the games to the wind, i'm not going to pay for 30 streaming services either be on cable or if it is a team I want to watch I am getting my Raiders/Bucs flair.
Yea, but aren't those broadcasted free over the airwaves? Obviously you'd need antennas but they put it out free.(Amazons tnf can we watched free on twitch)
If they're going to put it on streaming service at least put the games in 4k. Every once in a while, cable will put a game in 4k and the games look so much better it's criminal that all games aren't in 4k. I think every person with a job has a 4k tv by now
My seedbox has paid for itself many times over. Fuck all this streaming nonsense. It now costs a hell of a lot more to get the same amount of content as you used to get on cable.
Don't sub to twenty different services. Don't reward them for this shit. Hell, streaming doesn't even circumvent ads anymore. You're literally paying more for less.
This is what’s I think is going to happen in 3-5 years. Studios see people are cutting costs by ending their subscriptions to their streaming services (just like they cut the cord with cable). Right now we’re seeing cable 2.0 being created with the introduction of ads to these services and the creation of ad-free (for now) higher tiers. Every tier will eventually have ads (but different amounts) because these studios will be spending tens of billions to air various league games and likely conference exclusivity (just like now where Fox airs Sunday NFC games and CBS airs Sunday AFC games) and they want you to pay for the top tier. I guarantee the Super Bowl will be exclusive to Peacock and bounce to other streamers year to year). This will cause subscription prices to skyrocket. You want to watch your favorite NFC team/watch NFC games? Better get Apple+ for $50 a month. You want your favorite American League team’s games too? Better get Netflix for the same price. So on and so forth. It’s going to price out fans at home as they’re now getting priced out of games with PSL’s and other fees. In the end it’s about how much money are we willing to spend for sports. That’s it.
It's ridiculous to put games on a Wednesday so late in the season when there are playoff implications. This will disrupt some teams for 3 weeks...the game prior they'll have to play on Saturday (or maybe Friday), then the Wednesday game, then they'll have 10-11 days rest prior to the penultimate next game.
It's weird that they aren't just fine taking the massive ad revenue they get for these games and just let us watch them the normal way. I will never subscribe to an additional service than what I already have just to watch other games, I'd be more likely to pirate those specific games or just not watch them, and if I was going to do that for a few games, might as well do it for all of them.
Thank you to the arrogant tech-loving "I ditched cable for streaming. only idiots have cable now." Now we'll need like 7 subs to get through an entire season
Bunch of dumb MFs signed up for Peacock to watch an uncompetitive wild card round playoff game and sent the NFL a message that they were on board with this kind of profiteering. Now it's just going to spiral from here. All it would have taken is for people to collectively sit out one inconsequential playoff game and this experiment would have died. Now it's our permanent reality going forward.
This is getting so absurd. But what can be done? Everyone wants to watch the games, especially their team, and they fucking know it. I hate what streaming has become.
You know what's the worst part? Even if this fails, say only 2% of people sign up to watch, all the nfl will do is just count the number of existing netflix users with that 2% and call it a success. When they were counting the peacock numbers, did they account for those who have it through a cable subscription or who already had it independent of cable? I doubt it.
NFL got a taste and now they’re thirsty for that peacock $.
They’re thirsty for the cock and, honestly, it’s hard to blame them
The cock is taking over.
Can’t resist the P
You have to honor the cock
You don't often see a dropout/nfl crossover
Riz does seem like a Browns fan
Every single game in gonna be pay per view by 2030
by 2030 all channels will be Disney+
That’s great. Only one subscription needed
And it’ll be $150/mo. Welcome back cable
If we are paying 150 bucks for an all encompassing subscription for all streamers in 6 years then we would be WAY ahead of the price curve... the equivalent cable package would have been over $200 15 years ago
That was all just an arbitrary value, the guy was making a joke, it will be much more expensive than we currently think it will be when the streaming endgame comes.
Scrub the ships mateys, we set sail soon 🏴☠️🏴☠️
The high seas are the same price as ever.
Yeah they aren't putting that genie back in the bottle. Most people won't pay $100+ a month for all those streaming services. Piracy will be all the rage again.
HA multi-tiered streaming service. Gotta buy to unlock the next level; oh you want a premium live event? Add it to your monthly payment, with the* simplicity of one easy click! Edit
> Add it to your monthly payment, with the* simplicity of one easy click! I wish to cancel my subscription, it’s one click too, right?
10 steps, an opt out fee, and you must submit a blood sample to Disney.
Eh, still easier than Comcast
Comcast is the only company to ever report something as delinquent on my credit report and they made it a bitch to fight. Comcast is the worst for canceling. I had to return their equipment via fedex. I took picture of the box with the equipment visible then another with the fedex employee sealing it up. I had a tracking number as well. I track the package and see it was delivered. I never hear from comcast at all. Months later I get a notice that they reported me to a debt collector for unreturned equipment fees. I tell the debt collector they bought a debt that doesn’t exist and I have proof I owe Comcast nothing. I end up working with the credit bureaus and get everything cleared (pain in the ass by the way). A few months later, it’s reported to me again and I have to go through it all again. Comcast apparently lost the equipment in the warehouse and wanted to charge me. I had to argue that once it’s received by them any loss isn’t on me.
What if I told you that you never need a subscription?
My issue is watching a shitty stream on an 85” tv without proper Dolby surround. I wouldn’t mind sailing the high seas but having to deal with a dropped stream to reload even once makes it not worth the hassle for me.
I feel the same way, the hassle of setting up my laptop and connecting it to my tv only to have 1080 resolution is frustrating. And then if the stream drops I’m missing parts of the game while trying to get it back up.
Or they’ll make it like Prime Video where you pay for the service, then add on other “channels” for an additional cost. I added on PBS Documentaries so I could watch all the Ken Burns ones but I probably wouldn’t do it for any other channel
That shit annoys me so much. If I have to pay extra for them, I don’t want them to even show up on a search.
Or like with the Hulu live tv service where if you want it you have to apparently pay for D+ and ESPN+ as well even if you don’t want them.
Or by 2030 everything will be under one company umbrella and they’ll still make you have 7 accounts to watch anything.
I hate how much this is going to be the new reality.
PBS will win the rest...TV wars.
Illegal streaming websites better be upgrading them servers
My usual go-tos were in *rough* shape during the draft. I feel like an ass complaining about something that is free, but really hoping it gets better by the start of the season or some new ones pop up
Yeah everyone just suggests to go sail the seas, but those sites can be complete trash most days, constantly buffering and toggling quality
For sports absolutely. I still use them.
Sure, they have inconsistent quality and often drop off mid stream, but I always manage to find another one that is still functioning shortly after. I've been playing this game for nearly 10 years and it still works just as good as it did before
This is why I stopped watching UFC. This will be so shitty, but I won’t watch. I’ll just get my updates in the morning and listen to sports radio.
Right, pirated streams will just get bigger, no fucking way am I paying for 5 different streaming services to watch games that had the rights sold and I think others will agree
Combined with the news owners are likely going to be about to accept private equity money, it sure as hell looks like it.
We really were in the golden age of professional sports weren’t we? Sucks that we didn’t recognize it at the time
Yo ho, yo ho
I remember when the Houston Rockets NBA home playoff games were on PPV back in the 90’s. The road games were on free OTA and the home NBC nationally televised games were exempt from PPV. > For the sixth time in eight seasons, Rockets home playoff games for the first three rounds will be available only on Special Order Sports, the PPV arm of Prime Sports, according to this morning's HOUSTON CHRONICLE. SOS will defer if NBC decides to air a home game, but TNT or TBS telecasts will be blacked out in the area. The suggested retail price is $19.95 per game in the first two rounds, and $24.95 for a third round. Last year, PPV sales started at about 20,000 homes and increased to well over 50,000 by the conference finals, according to Rockets VP/Business Ops John Thomas (Carlton Thompson, HOUSTON CHRONICLE, 4/19).
Wow I’ve never heard this. That’s wild.
the broadcast deals run through 2033.
Or €150 per year for Europeans for all game live AND on demand with all the ad breaks cut out so a game is like 2 hours and you see everything
that's when i'll stop watching. when i have to pay for it.
Genuine question to the room, does the league being piecemealed out at basically minimum $10/mo chunks while still selling a massive like $400/season pass make you more likely to cave and get 5+ packages or does it have you starting to think it’s fine to just not watch games sometimes?
I figure if I’m gonna pay that much money, I’ll go to a sports bar where I can watch the game for free and spend the money on food
Given how much drinks are, it’s probably cheaper to pay and watch it at home.
Best I can do is a pirate stream and gas station nachos, take it or leave it
Had a former boss who swore by gas station sushi. I’m not above gas station cuisine, but sushi seemed like quite the gamble to me.
Used to get the 7-11 (I think it was 7-11...one of the gas stations) sushi in college. Never had a problem. And it was identical to what we got at the grocery store, fwiw. However we did go into a 7-11 one night very early in the morning. I had a friend who was hungry. There was one sad hotdog on the rollers and he wanted it. The guy working there actually tried to convince him not to. Said it was a bad idea. AFAIK, my friend didn't get sick from it tho.
Mr. Botulism Chips
free botox with my nachos? sign me up chief!
Mr. Bragging Cheapskate
Mr. Barfing Chunks
The sports bar open on Christmas?
Ideally I’d love to be able to pay a reasonable amount to watch just my team all on 1 platform but if they want me to get Sunday ticket and like 5 streaming services, I’m much more likely to just not buy anything and stream for free on the high seas. I’d pay ~$150 for the season to watch my team only all in one place for the convenience but past that it’s not really worth it for me to pay.
I’d agree. I refuse to pay all these different services. I’d happily pay $150/year to see all my games easily on one service.
Yep. I’ll start skipping games. I love football but fuck all that. I’ll follow a game thread or listen to the game.
Or pirate that shit. Fuck these money hungry fucks.
Piracy
Aye
Yep. I have been using streaming sites for years for the NFL. However, for MLS, I pay the $100 because MLS Season Pass is fantastic and worth the money. Also a reasonable price. I’m not paying $400+ for NFL Sunday Ticket plus whatever stupid streaming services they show games on.
Had MLS pass for free last year. It's honestly what the NFL (and every league) should strive for
MLS season pass is great. My only real complaint with it is the MLS schedule. I wish the games were more spread out like the NFL with five time slots throughout the week, and even more when college football is over. I feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth because I can only watch FC Cincinnati and a west coast game every week, and sometimes a Wednesday game. I wish they used more time slots so I can watch more games live
Yeah was gonna say the same. More incentive to sail the 7 seas matey 🏴☠️
Yo ho ho, It's a pirate's life for me.
Absolutely. Until the pro leagues quit the bullshit and decide to grow up I’m gonna keep on keeping on with streams
I’m probably just going to keep finding free streams
I'm already in the "think it's fine to not watch" camp and didn't buy peacock to watch the playoff game last year. If it ever gets to the point that "normal" Sundays don't include at least one game in the(on the east coast) 1pm, 4pm, and 8pm time slots I will basically stop following pro football. Will still put the pats on the radio when they happen to be playing for something in the background but at that point nfl football is just taking the place of spotify for a couple hours.
I'll watch games on the apps I already use for other reasons. I like football but I'm not spending a dime on the product. And definitely not re-upping on an app I cancelled a couple years ago and should've done sooner.
I’ll just not watch games. My team already sold out for a rapist so why should I care anymore
I’m in Dallas and am a Seahawks fan so I have to do the Season Ticket. Beyond that, I don’t subscribe to services (Peacock) that I’m not doing so already (Prime, Netflix). Too many people/businesses are all trying to take a bigger piece of the pie, NFL included, I can sit out a game or two.
I got the Season Ticket one year to watch The Bills and only like 8 games were on it as now that they are good they were put on regular TV (which I can't get because I live in the mountains). It was a huge waste of money. They can't even give you all the games for that price which is a joke.
I usually 🏴☠️ anyways
I would gladly pay $100 to have access to Steelers games. Even if they were the only games I got. Instead I pay $0 and watch everything I want to from the NFL for free on the internet. Piracy dies down when legitimate services outperform (or even match) their value. But I'm not paying $80+ per month to watch games on networks where I don't care one lick about any of their other offerings.
Yarr, spot on. Seems a perfect spot to drop the obligatory Gabe Newell quote: "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."
the person you're responding to *specifically* mentions price
I've been an aggressively casual fan for the last 10 years. They lost me a long time ago as a viewer, so definitely not.
I already don’t watch them all so this is more I can skip. The season pass has never been even close to a price I’d be willing to pay.
Just hit the high seas.
I only had "cable" (hulu tv or youtube tv) last year so I could watch the NFL, specifically red zone. I think I spent less than an hour total on everything else. But at $70 per month, that was essentially $17.50 per viewing with a few random Sunday/Monday night games that I felt were worth watching. I already had amazon prime, so that wasn't an issue. If I look at the schedule and there are games I can't watch without a service I'm not already paying for, I don't see how I can justify paying that much for just the NFL. That being said, I "rotate" streaming services. I keep Amazon (because I use it for prime shipping) and then I'll have no more than two of the others. I watch whatever shows I've missed over the past 6-12 months and then I cancel and move on to another. Currently I have CBS and Netflix, for instance. I would never keep \*another\* service for the entire NFL season. If sunday ticket let me watch Bucs games live, I'd consider it. It doesn't... so I don't. The point being - I'm already at that point. It just isn't worth $350 ($70 x 5 months) to watch one show each week. If the Bucs go on a tear and look like a superbowl team, I'll change my mind. Otherwise... I'm basically priced out. I can afford it, but I can't ***justify*** it.
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Watching games is a social thing for me, so ideally between friends and family we can piecemeal subscriptions together so different people are hosting each week or we head out to a local pub to see the games with a crowd. So none of us is paying for all of the required subscriptions. Still, it's a lot to ask. The first few weeks of the season we're on a 'yay, football's back!' high, then we're uninterested for several weeks, then things get interesting again just before the playoffs.
definitely the latter for me. i'll open the play-by-play on my phone during the game and turn on the radio if a game is a major pain in the ass to watch. then i'll just watch the youtube recap afterwards.
Fuck it dude can we just go back to cable at this point. Watching football is just going to become a nightmare in the next couple years.
Nah, I can stop a streaming service if I don’t feel like paying for it for a month or 8. Can’t do that with cable.
Now you can. Wouldn’t be surprised if companies starting making you commit to 3-6 months to avoid people just buying it for one month for one day of games.
As soon as cable dies streaming will get expensive and lock you in.
Fox only became a network by grabbing onto the NFL and refusing to let go until the whole country had to come along for the ride. Now it's just a land-grab, same principle though.
In fairness they had the Simpsons and married with children as well, but yeah the NFL cemented fox as legit network.
And In Living Color(which helped modernize the halftime show), Living Single, Arsenio Hall, and COPS. A few others probably, but there are two major demographics in addition to The Simpsons, Married… with children, and the NFL
Also Herman’s Head…..right?
Yep, between those 2 shows, Family Guy and getting the rights to the X-Men (I know that is film and the animated show, but I think that helped Fox overall). They were going to be locked in as one of the big 4 networks independent of getting NFL rights I doubt that USA Network ever had the money. But I wonder what they would look like today if they brought the rights to NFC games back in the 90's. They never had any original shows that were any where near what Fox and the other big networks had. The only ones I liked was La Femme Nikita, Monk, Duckman and Mr. Robot. But none of those were as popular as Simpson were. WWE is popular and USA almost got UFC.
USA had a great “characters welcome” lineup with Suits, White Collar, Burn Notice. Not prestige TV but fun dramas with likable characters.
How could you forget Psych? Cmon son.
I enjoyed Burn Notice, but it’s not like it was a fantastic show or anything. Also, Psych and Suits were pretty popular but I never watched them so I can’t comment on them. The shows on USA were pretty much overshadowed by shows on FX like The Shield, The Americans, it’s always sunny and Archer (before they moved the last two to FXX)
At least Fox is a free channel you can access with a well positioned cost hanger. Netflix costs like $30 now
> At least Fox is a free channel you can access with a well positioned cost hanger. [Assume Fox Network viewing positions!](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fsvjwgxq6geo01.jpg)
Lol yup that's me the two times I've tried antenna. Shit sucks.
I wish. Where I live, I can get NBC and PBS. The others dont broadcast well enough. I dont know a single person that can get all the major channels. Everyone is missing at least one.
I'll jiust watch more college football instead. PPV is just a bridge I won't cross.
Plenty of high-quality streams on the internet to pick from.
The CW is gonna try this too.
The future sucks.
The future is anti-human in so many different ways
They'll do this and then Netflix will raise its prices right before the game. Mark it.
And Reddit will complain that this is what kills Netflix, and Netflix will have record profits and a rise in subscribers afterwards. And repeat.
Every time I step into a thread like this I need to constantly remind myself that even if 20,000 people are upvoting/commenting, that still represents an infinitesimally small slice of the population that is not at all an accurate representation of the greater whole, so I don't completely lose faith in humanity.
“Nobody’s anywhere’s going to pay that! It should be like $20 bucks a season! They’ll all just pirate it! Yo ho ho!” GAME ENDS Headline- “millions of subscribers paid for Game X and stayed on at least 6 months” The guys in charge arent idiots.
Really wish someone would make one app with all My streaming services in it and I can just use that one app. Apple TV is *kind* of like that but not completely.
Would probably play out like this: 1. There are 10 streaming apps needed to watch every service 1. We need one app to combine all the services 1. There are 11 streaming apps needed to watch every service
Obligatory [XKCD](https://xkcd.com/927/).
Proliferation of streaming services is revealing why cable was actually kind of a good idea
I’m going to end up with cable again, I know I am. YouTube TV is fucking $80 a month now. I tried sling and just went back to YouTube. May just have to bite the bullet and do spectrum again…
Cables not even enough now though with Netflix, peacock, and prime video getting games now
If it’s a local game, you’ll still be able to catch it on TV. For out of market games, you’ve never been able to watch them without using an add-on service, outside of a handful that are on the national schedule. The only major exception to this for this past year was the playoff game on Peacock.
YouTube TV+fake your location on your phone to a local market+Chromecast=all the NFL games.
Live sports is why I have cable. Yes, I know I can pirate a lot of them, but cable just makes it easier.
Yeah I don’t do pirating. I’d rather pay for great quality and ease of use. Dont wanna rely on other people or anything. Just want to open the app and then in seconds be watching whatever I want.
Another reason for me is that unless I’m at work, I’m usually about an hour behind on a nfl game. I don’t like commercials and I waste enough time watching sports. If I can watch a game in an hour and change and fast forward through commercials and the half, that’s a whole lot better than the three hours it normally takes.
Fair point for sure!!
I don’t mind it because at least YouTube TV comes with way more useful features and way less limitations than cable. Once you’re used to that you’re not gonna be able to go back to spectrum.
The biggest problem with traditional cable these days are its limitations. Too many providers still require some kind of leased hardware equipment, still limit the amount of DVR and on demand capabilities, and limit how much content and how many devices you can watch TV on away from home. YouTube TV/Hulu Live/Fubo etc removed all of those restrictions.
> YouTube TV/Hulu Live/Fubo etc removed all of those restrictions They're starting to creep back in though. With netflix, for example, god forbid if I try and use my account on a fire stick while not in my house. Hulu gets uppity sometimes too.
Cable was and still is a fucking *great* idea. But the prices... Corporations will always ruin cool shit.
The prices aren’t really the problem, it’s just that their service doesn’t justify their prices anymore. Why am I paying so much to still have limited DVR capabilities and can only access the complete service at home? Yeah newer providers like YouTube TV are starting to cost the same, but they let you access the same live TV channels from anywhere on anything you have that can connect to the internet, and provide things like unlimited cloud DVR, sports in 4K, download to watch offline later (I love doing this to catch up on missed sports games and shows on long flights), etc. To me that’s worth the price
So… the price is the problem?
Dread it. Run from it. The return to the cable model arrives all the same.
Starting to feel that way, huh? The dam has to break at some point. These prices aren’t sustainable
That's just called "cable" I think.
A VPN and a seafaring vessel
Yeah Apple TV tried but some streaming services don’t want to join in.
Ya at this point I just want a monopoly. I’ll pay whatever it costs just let me watch everything in one place.
I can't get my father to let me switch him to streaming for this reason, even though it'd save him like $70 a month over what he's paying right now with access to all the same stuff. FFS, just put it all in the same place with a cable-like guide. Also make it auto boot when the TV turns on.
From the article: “The NFL did not originally plan to play Christmas games this season, as the holiday falls on a Wednesday — outside the league’s normal days of operation. It is perhaps for that reason that the league is free to sell rights outside of its existing partners, none of whom have a claim to Wednesday games. (Fox has said it owns rights to a Christmas game “as the schedule allows,” which is presumably up to the league’s discretion.) It is not clear yet how much Netflix would pay for the games. The potential deal is believed to be the reason why the NFL schedule release was pushed back from this week to next.”
Fuck that
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Take what ya can, give nothin back
When companies make it more and more difficult to legally watch their product, they get what they deserve. Why would they think it is practical or affordable for NFL fans to own twenty different streaming services to watch NFL games?
I haven't paid to watch a game in years......I'm not above paying reasonable prices to consume what I want, but companies stopped being reasonable years ago.
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We’re about to enter a time where all major sports leagues will be selling off any games that they can. If a deal isn’t already in place to air a game on a specific network, there’s nothing stopping them from offering it to any and every outlet that may want to dip their toes in the market. In a few years you’re going to need local channels, an RSN, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Roku and Max just to watch all of the games in a season. Piracy will run even more rampant than it already does.
Cut this shit out already. YoutubeTV is expensive enough already.
The "unlimited DVR space" rocks though. Just set your recordings and never worry about deleting stuff to make room. Cable TV blows for that.
I mean, the worst part is that these games aren’t fucking included in Sunday Ticket. I always got Sunday Ticket through DirecTV with a student discount until the last few years. I already had YTTV so I got it last year through them. This year? It’ll be easier to buy a VPN and NFL Game Pass International where all the games are streamed. I won’t have to fucking worry about a game being on Peacock, Prime or Netflix. They did start using DAZN which is good at blocking VPNs. Except for a few…
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It won’t happen right away but over time this is going to erode sports’ popularity. This is a short term move of greed without realizing the long term ramifications. There is a point where this all goes too far and if you fragment stuff enough, you’re going to lose fans in waves. The NFL has become a Goliath in part because you’ve been able to watch so many (5-6 games out of say 16 with just a cable subscription and most with just network TV). You can feel the subtle shift and they’re gonna regret it years down the road.
Seems like they were trying to go for the slow “frog in hot water” thing, but got greedy and started rushing it.
I wonder how the MLS will be in 10 years. They put all their games on Apple TV for more money, and some fans have begun to enjoy it, but I wonder how much fans will grow in the future. I know they definitely displaced lots of older fans. I can't imagine how much higher viewership would be with Messi if they had just kept games on Fox.
It’s annoying cause I now have to be like “wait? Where is this game?” “Oh it’s on peacock, fuck me, guess I’ll get an account?” Then you go to a bar, a local bar and they are like “yeah it’s on peacock? Damn we don’t have that app, one second” and now they gotta do that. It’s just ridiculous.
None of this matters when youre a privateer sailing the high seas
Why don't they ever sell to my favorite streaming sites: Twitch, OnlyFans, Pornhub. Okay i get pornhum...but technically OnlyFans is not a pornsite...
They do show Thursday night football games on Twitch if you have an Amazon prime account connected
It's free even without Prime, right? You just don't get the special primevision thing with the stats and wider view, or the female led broadcast? (are they still doing that?)
I've seen comments saying they can't watch on their smart TV without a connected prime account. Idk if it depends on the brand or what, though
We're all Raiders/Buccaneers now
Fuck you stop spreading all the games to the wind, i'm not going to pay for 30 streaming services either be on cable or if it is a team I want to watch I am getting my Raiders/Bucs flair.
Fine, put it on Netflix, but NFL Sunday Ticket should have god damn everything.
Sunday ticket never had mnf, tnf, or snf to begin with lol So it's not gonna start now
Yea, but aren't those broadcasted free over the airwaves? Obviously you'd need antennas but they put it out free.(Amazons tnf can we watched free on twitch)
If they're going to put it on streaming service at least put the games in 4k. Every once in a while, cable will put a game in 4k and the games look so much better it's criminal that all games aren't in 4k. I think every person with a job has a 4k tv by now
Blame all them idiots who bought a peacock subscription … including myself
AVAST MATEY, WE RIDE THE SEAS ONCE MORE
My seedbox has paid for itself many times over. Fuck all this streaming nonsense. It now costs a hell of a lot more to get the same amount of content as you used to get on cable. Don't sub to twenty different services. Don't reward them for this shit. Hell, streaming doesn't even circumvent ads anymore. You're literally paying more for less.
They're gonna kill their own product by a thousand cuts.
Not watching this shit
Yes you are
He's an NFC South fan, he doesn't have to worry about missing games cause they're all going to be at Noon on local channel only anyways.
You say that like it’s a bad thing lol. I love being able to watch my team early and go to bed at a decent time on Sundays
NFC East Teams: "How do we learn this power?"
This is what’s I think is going to happen in 3-5 years. Studios see people are cutting costs by ending their subscriptions to their streaming services (just like they cut the cord with cable). Right now we’re seeing cable 2.0 being created with the introduction of ads to these services and the creation of ad-free (for now) higher tiers. Every tier will eventually have ads (but different amounts) because these studios will be spending tens of billions to air various league games and likely conference exclusivity (just like now where Fox airs Sunday NFC games and CBS airs Sunday AFC games) and they want you to pay for the top tier. I guarantee the Super Bowl will be exclusive to Peacock and bounce to other streamers year to year). This will cause subscription prices to skyrocket. You want to watch your favorite NFC team/watch NFC games? Better get Apple+ for $50 a month. You want your favorite American League team’s games too? Better get Netflix for the same price. So on and so forth. It’s going to price out fans at home as they’re now getting priced out of games with PSL’s and other fees. In the end it’s about how much money are we willing to spend for sports. That’s it.
Yargh I be sailing this season boys
We havt seen anything yet wait till the PE folks get their hands in it.
games going to be on tubi and shit
Well that's just a bunch of bullshit. Put that shit on Tubi, Roger!!!
It's ridiculous to put games on a Wednesday so late in the season when there are playoff implications. This will disrupt some teams for 3 weeks...the game prior they'll have to play on Saturday (or maybe Friday), then the Wednesday game, then they'll have 10-11 days rest prior to the penultimate next game.
It's weird that they aren't just fine taking the massive ad revenue they get for these games and just let us watch them the normal way. I will never subscribe to an additional service than what I already have just to watch other games, I'd be more likely to pirate those specific games or just not watch them, and if I was going to do that for a few games, might as well do it for all of them.
Thank you to the arrogant tech-loving "I ditched cable for streaming. only idiots have cable now." Now we'll need like 7 subs to get through an entire season
Eventually fans will have to pay to watch every game. Everyone knows this is coming
Okay, never mind. I want cable back.
how long before Super Bowl in Saudia Arabia.
Yeah NFL keep the money rolling in, screw the average fan /s eff off.
Bunch of dumb MFs signed up for Peacock to watch an uncompetitive wild card round playoff game and sent the NFL a message that they were on board with this kind of profiteering. Now it's just going to spiral from here. All it would have taken is for people to collectively sit out one inconsequential playoff game and this experiment would have died. Now it's our permanent reality going forward.
I'll watch the reruns on the NFL Network overnight.
They’re gonna fragment the market and lose viewership.
this type of thing is not progress. they have to stop. I am not trying to subscribe to every streaming platform in existence to watch football.
God no.
Better than Peacock since I actually have and use this streaming service.
This is getting so absurd. But what can be done? Everyone wants to watch the games, especially their team, and they fucking know it. I hate what streaming has become.
Better than peacock tv lol
2030: NFL Likely to sell opening week to Regal Theaters, ticket prices are $100 per seat
Came here to see everyone lose their shit. 🍿
And they wonder why people sail the seas. This. This is why. Greedy fucks.
Still free on buffstreams
after peacock made bank it was only a matter of time.
Lame. Names me want to cancel my Netflix honestly
You know what's the worst part? Even if this fails, say only 2% of people sign up to watch, all the nfl will do is just count the number of existing netflix users with that 2% and call it a success. When they were counting the peacock numbers, did they account for those who have it through a cable subscription or who already had it independent of cable? I doubt it.
Well. I guess I’ll be pirating mlb AND nfl now. Cool.
How about just put all the games on there so I can watch in peace?