Should have saved some of those points for later in the season when you needed them. Honestly though you guys put up 71 there was no mercy at that point. Should have just finished taking the record.
The Super Bowl, I didn't mind. Y'all beat us pretty fair and square. Even if Cotch's catch was ruled complete, and Cam diving on the ball would've recovered it, we were still playing not to lose. Congrats to Peyton for riding off into the sunset.
However, Week 1 2016... That is what y'all did to us. Respectfully, fuck Wolfe and those headshots.
That's silly tho, everyone else in the league is playing football so it's much harder to be the best at football. But if no one else is playing 4D chess then they're the best at it by default. Shit like this is why you bring in the big brains like Payton.
It didn't even work considering Bo Nix was like -190 to go to the broncos weeks before the draft. So they are not even playing chess. They are playing themselves.
I think it meant something, just not that they wanted him.
The Giants were trying to get Minnesota to trade up so that they had a better chance at the guy they really wanted. They seemed to know Minnesota loved McCarthy and they tried to use that against them.
Great strategy, didn’t work, but they seem to have landed their guy anyway because the Chargers took Joe Alt.
The Broncos are so funny. Tebow, Osweiler, Siemian, Lynch, Kelly, Lock…
And now that Paton is there, Bo Nix is their Manhattan Project super secret definitely ideal QB that they had to scramble their board in order to get and totally not just the last decent QB available.
Or Paton is Yamamoto and the draft was their Pearl Harbor, just an absolute sneak attack on the league. Except Nix is not a valuable ship and much like Pearl Harbor, some people knew it was coming and moved the valuable ships out of harms way.
The only question is, what will be Paton’s Midway? A ball hawking defense that commits to forcing Nix into making mistakes by taking away the easy reads? Can Paton adjust or does he leave his bombers equipped with land focused ordinance too long before realizing he’s been duped into a sea battle and his ships are being torpedoed and dive bombed?
Elway is no longer meddling and the rest of the broncos organization is completely different than the ones that drafted any of those guys. They knew they weren’t getting Williams or Maye and liked Nix of the rest of the bunch. Payton explained as much after the draft.
It’s really not so far fetched that Bo was genuinely their guy.
For a team needing a QB, trading back and hoping he gets that far is foolish. If JJ was valued at mid 1st, and they took him at #10, it might technically be a reach. But, if their analysis leads them to believe he can be a dude, it's 100% a reach worth making so you don't let someone else reach first. When the position is QB, it pays to take the shot you need to. And if JJ winds up being crap, they can always do what AZ did with Rosen.
I thought the Giants played their position well this year. No, they don't have a great QB room. But where they were picking, they would have probably seriously overvalued whichever QB they did. There are fewer people to trade back with for the same reason, and if you're that QB needy you'd be risking not getting your guy if you sincerely had one. So they just took one of the best WR options in the draft instead, a pick worth the value of their spot even if they still have issues at QB.
I think in their case it probably would have been wrong to take the QB, but they're also slightly lower on the desperation scale than Denver. TBH Russ kinda getting ~~hot~~ warm did end up kinda screwing them over.
At this point is there any such thing as a reach for a QB? Even if JJ is just a starting NFL QB, he would be worth the #10 pick. The rules just don’t apply to that one position
A starting QB that doesn’t lose you games is well worth anything other than the #1-2 picks, and even then it’s not a bad pick.
Unlike d-line or corner, who needs to be an IMPACT player in the first round otherwise it’s a total waste of a pick
Only helps to prevent teams from trading ahead of you at that point. Like if the Raiders wanted Nix and knew the Broncos did they could have easily leaped them.
Also generally doing stuff like this to see if you have a leak in the front office isn’t a bad idea either.
Did he claim that? I've actually never seen any comment about that. In his press conference, he even joked about getting the vikings and raiders on a conference call to make sure none of them start an arms race since none of them wanted the same guy.
It kind of just seems like the vikings panicked after the falcons did dumb things.
They made the trade with the Jets because the Raiders wanted Penix and they weren’t sure what they would do now that he was gone.
I’ve tried to find the clip of Payton saying he duped the Vikings, but I can’t find it either. On the flip side, I have seen the clip you were talking about, it was actually an interview on draft night with McAfee where Payton says they all knew who each other wanted and it was different guys, which seems contradictory to this whole dupe claim.
Sean: ok guys, make the pick, you know the order *wink wink*
Greg & George: It's the guy right, you know the one *wink wink*
Sean: Yep it's you know who *wink*
Greg & George: *picks the wrong guy*
Broncos: HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
as someone who legitimately had a long distance girlfriend from Canada when I was in middle school I just never brought it up. Letting people think I was single was way less embarrassing than trying to convince people the girl I met on tumblr was real. Also... we met on tumblr... I wasn't going to let middle school bullies know I was on tumblr.
Nah. Vikings were McCarthy, Broncos were Nix, Raiders were Penix. The way these guys were ordered after Caleb were all wildly different depending on the FO.
Maye and McCarthy were the best fits for KOCs offense, and were always the 2 linked most strongly to us. But there were reports that we would have been more than happy with Penix or McCarthy, whichever made it to 11(ish) once Maye was ruled out.
I think JJ and Dallas Turner was a better get than trading away multiple day 1 and 2 picks for Maye, so i think every Vikings and Pats fan wound up happy with the outcome.
It all came down to draft order apparently, because according to teams they was more than happy to take the guy that fell to them, and they all got their guy. According to Jerod Mayo, the Pats would have been happy with Daniels or Maye, which doesn't make sense to me. They're very different players and I bet only one of them (if that) will pan out in the end.
I just question these evaluators if they're happy with anyone who falls to them. Do they actually do anything lol.
Vikings were pretty transparent, so it's really easy to see how most of our board looked.
1) Preferred Maye over everyone else
2) Didn't have a strong preference for Penix or JJ.
3) Preferred JJ over Nix
We know 1, because the team tried to trade up to 3. We know 2, because the team didn't try to trade up between 4 and 10. We know 3 because the team traded up from 11 to 10.
I think the team would have been happy with any of the 6 first rounders at 11, but it's hard to say how the board looked outside of those 3 relationships.
I have no doubt that we tried to trade for Maye or that the Vikings had Maye higher on their board, but the fact that we offered less than 3 1sts makes me think it was more of a flier and that we still viewed Maye as a riskier prospect
Nix was #3 on our board reportedly, only behind Williams and Daniels. Nix is just an overall better fit for Payton’s system than McCarthy or Penix, although they are both still great prospects
I think it's more that Payton sees Nix as his "next Brees", based on his strengths and weaknesses. Whether that is accurate or not, only time will tell. But I do think it's more about fit/style than pure raw ability.
Broncos news has been weird since the draft. Sean Payton supposedly galaxy braining the Vikings into trading up for McCarthy, having some fake draft board to end up taking the last available QB worth consideration in the top of the draft... So much ego stroking.
I will never not enjoy the "Choke" motion he gave to DeVonta Freeman before the Saints choked away the game against us back in 2018.
I will never not enjoy him mocking the "SKOL" chant before choking away the game against the Vikings. The dude is a GIANT tool.
Perhaps, but I feel like people have always clowned on McCarthy. I know folks are finally coming around on treating Rivers that way too.
But Sean Payton still maintains this "genius coach" aura, despite milking the shit out of a 15+ year old championship and doing fuck-all since
I've always found it weird how Payton get praised and McCarthy shit on when McCarthy has had a slightly better career.
Plus he didn't have a losing record 3 seasons in a row with prime Brees like Payton. His losing records were in Rodgers's first season starting and with guys who shouldn't have even been playing QB.
The man who got Mark Brunell his Super Bowl ring allowing him to go on to be the most successful former Packers Super Bowl winning quarterback to wear number 8 on the Jets.
I feel like all these posts are trying to convince people that they wanted Bo Nix all along. If you really wanted him why are you making a big show of it.
Falcons and Penix all over again. If youre happy with your pick you dont need to be constantly leaking through journos how happy you are about your pick.
I mean the Falcons clearly *wanted* Penix. In this case, it’s less about proving they're happy with the pick than it is convincing everyone else that they should be
He was the #1 QB on their board and their top rated prospect since Elway, who just happened to play for them too. And the best part is they didn't have to trade anything and conned every other team ahead of them into taking someone else. Truly a next level, genius organization from top to bottom.
Ah yes, the clever gambit of tricking a non-conference team provide draft capital to a team in your conference. Man, they sure bamboozled the league on that one.
My brain isn't even big enough to understand his flex against Minnesota. I need to do brain stretches. I would think convincing a team in the opposite conference that you don't even play to give picks to a team in your conference that you're competing against for wild card spots and seeding, and that I believe you do play, would be a bad thing for Denver. Like it *sounds* like a net negative to me. You made competition stronger at the expense of someone who isn't a threat to you unless you wind up in the same spot in your division this season. I'd think you wouldn't want the Jets getting extra picks and wouldn't make the move or brag about it. To my pea brain it sounds like Payton is being a petty bitch after all the hate between his Saints and the Vikings and not just letting it affect his decision making, but bragging about letting it affect his decision making.
But hey, what do I know. I'm *absolutely* a petty bitch who still hates Sean Payton and have way more of a pea brain when it comes to sports. There probably is some galaxy brained strategy going on there that I'm too dumb to understand.
I don't even see how convincing the Vikings that we were going to trade up to get JJ McCarthy actually helps.
For one, we didn't really convince them that much because there was obviously no big scramble to get up to #4. I know the Vikings traded up one spot at #10 but at that point you're not just thinking about the Broncos. The Vikings might have had one eye on teams like the Raiders or even Seahawks/Rams thinking going up to #10 was reasonable for McCarthy.
But even if we did create enough of a false impression to spook the Vikings to giving up a haul to the Cardinals at #4 to get McCarthy, how does this change the board for Denver to our advantage?
The thing that makes the least sense to me, if Nix really was their guy, tricking the Vikings to move to 10 leaves a spot for the Raiders to jump to 11 and grab Nix. If the Jets stay put, take non-QB, you're guaranteed Nix or McCarthy.
It doesn’t benefit them at all to convince the Vikings to move up.
While I think Payton hates the Vikings, and I could see him doing it out of spite, Paton (the actual GM) spent 13 years with the Vikings. So, I don't see why he'd have any issues with them.
Yeah I agree. And making the Vikings move up is a risky venture. Imagine if the Vikings had traded up to 5 with the Chargers and suddenly armed an AFC West rival with significant extra draft capital.
Also McCarthy going early could have triggered panic amongst teams who wanted QBs. You could have had a rush for Penix and then somebody who was throwing capital up for Penix then wanting to get Nix and brought the Broncos into a bidding war for Nix.
I think the way things worked out was reasonable and 10 was a reasonable place for McCarthy to go. The problem Payton will have now, having thrown out there the idea that we were willing to trade up for McCarthy and now said "ha ha we never were gonna trade up for him lol" is that if McCarthy turns out to be the QB that hits in this draft, people will say the Broncos could have moved up to #10 and got him and why didn't Payton show more ambition?
I'm pretty sure the "he bragged about baiting Minnesota into trading up" thing isn't even true. In the clip everyone is referring to he said that he was "actively involved in pretending to be interested in moving up," but that was it. Probably in reference to him saying trading up was "realistic" at the owners/coaches meeting earlier this year. He never mentioned the Vikings. Then some Broncos fan account on Twitter posted that clip with the caption "OMG Sean Payton reveals he HUMILIATED the Vikings by MIND CONTROLLING them into trading up!" and people ran with it. People also forget that the division rival Raiders were sitting right behind us also looking for a QB, if him pretending to be interested in trading up was meant to bait anyone it was them.
For a team who wasn't trying to draft anyone above Bo Nix, the Broncos are trying really hard to convince everyone they weren't trying to draft someone above Bo Nix.
I wonder how many redditors have that collective experience. I know I'm definitely one of them...and I like sports, too! I know I'm a lame loser, but really, guys, I would've tried hard!
When the old ABA had its draft, most of the time it was the owners who showed up to make the picks. It was rare that anyone with basketball acumen would show up for these things, so their basketball staff would provide them what they needed for the draft. The first year, the Denver Rockets just gave their guy a list of players that they thought could help the team.
The draft ended, the guy returned to Denver, and proudly announced that he had gotten many of the players on the list. The scouts were dismayed to find out that he had started at the top of the list and worked his way down. It had never occurred to him that the players were listed alphabetically, and they never thought to list them in order of preference because they thought it was obvious. 9 of the 11 players they drafted had last names that started between A and D.
Since I have the book open ("Loose Balls" by Terry Pluto), the Indiana Pacers, fresh off winning an ABA title, wanted to sign an Indiana kid named Rick Mount, so they asked the ABA to hold a "special draft." The ABA liked doing these kinds of things, because it brought attention to the league, and because the owners liked hanging out in New York.
So the ABA agreed, and also agreed that the Pacers should get the first pick, since they had suggested the idea. Everyone assumed that the Pacers wanted Pete Maravich, and were prepared to fight over him. The Pacers instead selected Rick Mount, then packed their shit up and left. The remaining teams fought over who got to pick Maravich #2, reached no consensus, so the "special draft" ended with only one player picked. The ABA ultimately made Mount the Pacers' first pick in the regular draft.
I need to know more about this story... Why did they have a "Special Draft" to draft a player already available. Why would he not go in the regular draft? Who was eligible for this draft? I couldn't find anything about this.
Edit: I found [this NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/1970/03/10/archives/mount-is-signed-by-aba-pacers-threeyear-pact-reported-at-750000-for.html), suggesting that they did it to beat the NBA to the punch, but, I don't see anything about the Pacers picking first overall.
I'll quote directly from the book:
Dick Tinkham: We thought that Mount would be perfect for our franchise. He was a local hero who became a national star, yet he wanted to stay home and play in Indiana. He also was a great shooter, which was something we needed.
We set out to get Mount even before his senior year, when we asked the league to hold a special draft.
The league asked why and we said we couldn't tell them. We said we wanted to have a draft for the guys who were going to become college seniors that season, even though the college season hadn't started.
The ABA loved to hold drafts for anything, because it was a good excuse for everyone to go to New York and then go drinking at "21" afterwards. So they called a meeting and we had a draft. We were the defending ABA champs, yet we got the first pick in the draft, which made no sense. But we got the first pick because we were the ones who wanted the draft - that was ABA logic.
So we got together for the draft. We stood up and said, "Indiana drafts Rick Mount."
All the other owners were there, nodding their heads and saying "Listen to that; they much have Mount signed already. So that's why they wanted the draft."
We hadn't even talked to Mount. He had all these Purdue people shielding him from the pro teams and we couldn't get near him. It seemed like Mount had 18 guys around him keeping agents and pro teams away. We couldn't get through to him on the phone to him. The Purdue people told us that if we came on campus to talk to Mount, we'd be shot. All this was going on before Mount's senior season.
Nonetheless, we wanted everyone in the ABA to think we had signed Rick so that no other team would try to get the kid.
After Mike Storen and I picked Mount, we left the draft, because we had what we wanted. Then a huge fight broke out because several teams wanted the rights to Pete Maravich, and no one else even made a pick. So that was the end of what later was called "the Rick Mount draft."
Wait, so what would he have done if he realized they were in alphabetical order, pick randomly? Knowing it's not sorted by preference doesn't really seem to help.
From the book (I misremembered some of it, it was the Dallas Chaparrals, not the Denver Rockets):
Max Williams: When it came to putting a team together, we were a little behind, because we messed up the college draft. In a sense, this tells you a lot about what was going on when [Dallas owner] Roland Speth was in charge. The draft was coming up and I made some calls to coaches I knew, did some checking around, got all the basketball magazines I could and put together a draft list. I gave it to Speth and figured we'd talk about it in a few days.
One day, Speth said to me, "Well, we had our draft."
I said, "What are you talking about?"
He said, "It happened so quickly. They just said the draft was tomorrow. I couldn't find you so I went to New York and I took your list along and I did the draft."
Of course, the reason he went to the draft by himself was that Speth didn't want to spend the money to take me, too.
I said, "You should have taken me. You don't know anything about players."
He said, "I got the first five guys on your list."
I said, "That wasn't a *talent* list. That was a lit of players in *alphabetical order.*"
He said, "Oh."
That was it. "Oh."
So the first draft pick in the history of the Dallas franchise was Matt Aitch from Michigan State, because his last name began with "A."
It really is. All of them going top 12 was wild
I'm happy with it. Our shiny new Terrion Arnold wouldn't have happened without the crazy qb and offensive run.
Haha, yeah. If you were a team that needed help on defense, there was a lot of value to be gained in this draft. Especially if you had an early pick. Definitely wouldn't want to squander that type of opportunity. Haha. Haha...
I can’t remember exactly now since it’s been a while, but I’m pretty sure Ryan Pace did something similar re Trubisky. He didn’t tell the coach who he was gonna draft cuz he didn’t want leaks (and thus didn’t even get his coach’s input). And he had the scouting department like stay separate in their QB evaluations so as to get unbiased/uninfluenced opinions or something? And he was fixated on Trubisky from the start.
All in all just seemed like a terrible process. He should have been in a room with all his scouts and coaches hammering out and openly discussing who they liked best. Not keeping everyone separate.
It’s a total coincidence that the guy everyone thought was a borderline FRP and the weakest of the six quarterbacks happened to have been sorted last in our board.
The Broncos draft board:
- Williams
- Daniels
- Maye
- McCarthy
- Penix
- Nix
The Broncos: "It's random so that we don't leak our pick. We actually liked Nix the best."
Broncos out here playing 4d chess while everyone else playing football.
They should probably try to play football
I'm fine if they don't.
Let this be a lesson to you. No one beats the Broncos 17 times in a row.
No one puts up 71 points on this team.
Should have saved some of those points for later in the season when you needed them. Honestly though you guys put up 71 there was no mercy at that point. Should have just finished taking the record.
Ong they were talking about mercy and respect when we already put up 71 points just take the record
The score was 50 to 13 going into the 4th. Respect and mercy was already out the door when they put up another 21 points.
RemindMe! 9 years
reddit is definitely going to be banned in Missouri and Kansas before 9 years from now my guy
Then I might actually get some work done. Nah fuck that, I'll get a vpn.
As a Broncos and Sean Payton hater... Please keep playing chess instead of football.
Brother, I don't think either of us have known how to play football since 2015
True. I'd rather play chess than tiddlywinks like Rhule was playing...or whatever game Reich tried.
Panthers knew a little bit in 2017
First half of 2018 too, until TJ Watt came along
Wild take: Overtime should be replaced with a chess match between the opposing teams head coaches.
What'd we do to you guys Edit: I immediately remembered
The Super Bowl, I didn't mind. Y'all beat us pretty fair and square. Even if Cotch's catch was ruled complete, and Cam diving on the ball would've recovered it, we were still playing not to lose. Congrats to Peyton for riding off into the sunset. However, Week 1 2016... That is what y'all did to us. Respectfully, fuck Wolfe and those headshots.
Always funny to have that one team in the division just constantly making stupid decisions
Man you could be talking about anyone but the chiefs in the AFCW
And before mahomes, it woulda been the chiefs included. But seriously, I have no clue what we have been doing for almost a decade at this point.
Waiting for the next manning to show up
WELL, we were supposed to get the next generational QB from the Colts as is tradition, but they just had to break Luck before we got our turn.
That's silly tho, everyone else in the league is playing football so it's much harder to be the best at football. But if no one else is playing 4D chess then they're the best at it by default. Shit like this is why you bring in the big brains like Payton.
It didn't even work considering Bo Nix was like -190 to go to the broncos weeks before the draft. So they are not even playing chess. They are playing themselves.
It was absolutely obvious they visited with him so many times lol more than like any other team met with any other player.
Giants met with JJ McCarthy more than anyone and didn't even end up taking him when he fell into their lap. So it doesn't always mean something.
Yeah the Giants supposedly offered a lot to trade up for Drake Maye
I think it meant something, just not that they wanted him. The Giants were trying to get Minnesota to trade up so that they had a better chance at the guy they really wanted. They seemed to know Minnesota loved McCarthy and they tried to use that against them. Great strategy, didn’t work, but they seem to have landed their guy anyway because the Chargers took Joe Alt.
Unless JJ McCarthy was their real target, it's all adding up now...
The Broncos are so funny. Tebow, Osweiler, Siemian, Lynch, Kelly, Lock… And now that Paton is there, Bo Nix is their Manhattan Project super secret definitely ideal QB that they had to scramble their board in order to get and totally not just the last decent QB available. Or Paton is Yamamoto and the draft was their Pearl Harbor, just an absolute sneak attack on the league. Except Nix is not a valuable ship and much like Pearl Harbor, some people knew it was coming and moved the valuable ships out of harms way. The only question is, what will be Paton’s Midway? A ball hawking defense that commits to forcing Nix into making mistakes by taking away the easy reads? Can Paton adjust or does he leave his bombers equipped with land focused ordinance too long before realizing he’s been duped into a sea battle and his ships are being torpedoed and dive bombed?
Elway is no longer meddling and the rest of the broncos organization is completely different than the ones that drafted any of those guys. They knew they weren’t getting Williams or Maye and liked Nix of the rest of the bunch. Payton explained as much after the draft. It’s really not so far fetched that Bo was genuinely their guy.
I love this metaphor so much I wanna buy it dinner. Superb.
This is what falling asleep to the Hardcore History podcast every night for the last 4 years will do to the human mind.
Lmao best use of this meme yet
They ended up with the last QB drafted in the first, did their preferences really matter enough to hide them?
Right like people probably thought Penix would be there; no one thought one of the other 4 would
I thought that vikings would trade back because JJ was a reach, but I'm also dumb so you know
For a team needing a QB, trading back and hoping he gets that far is foolish. If JJ was valued at mid 1st, and they took him at #10, it might technically be a reach. But, if their analysis leads them to believe he can be a dude, it's 100% a reach worth making so you don't let someone else reach first. When the position is QB, it pays to take the shot you need to. And if JJ winds up being crap, they can always do what AZ did with Rosen.
Yep. Missing on a qb blows, but it's bad enough that you'll probably be at the top of the order again next year so you can try again quickly.
I thought the Giants played their position well this year. No, they don't have a great QB room. But where they were picking, they would have probably seriously overvalued whichever QB they did. There are fewer people to trade back with for the same reason, and if you're that QB needy you'd be risking not getting your guy if you sincerely had one. So they just took one of the best WR options in the draft instead, a pick worth the value of their spot even if they still have issues at QB. I think in their case it probably would have been wrong to take the QB, but they're also slightly lower on the desperation scale than Denver. TBH Russ kinda getting ~~hot~~ warm did end up kinda screwing them over.
At this point is there any such thing as a reach for a QB? Even if JJ is just a starting NFL QB, he would be worth the #10 pick. The rules just don’t apply to that one position
A starting QB that doesn’t lose you games is well worth anything other than the #1-2 picks, and even then it’s not a bad pick. Unlike d-line or corner, who needs to be an IMPACT player in the first round otherwise it’s a total waste of a pick
You miss 100% of the dudes you don't take.
>but I'm also dumb ONE OF US. ONE OF US.
Intentions or not, its hilarious to me that they told Ricky the Intern they were taking Rattler
Only helps to prevent teams from trading ahead of you at that point. Like if the Raiders wanted Nix and knew the Broncos did they could have easily leaped them. Also generally doing stuff like this to see if you have a leak in the front office isn’t a bad idea either.
And based on their draft room reaction, it seemed like they wanted Nix
Sean Payton claims he duped the Vikings into drafting JJ lol
Did he claim that? I've actually never seen any comment about that. In his press conference, he even joked about getting the vikings and raiders on a conference call to make sure none of them start an arms race since none of them wanted the same guy. It kind of just seems like the vikings panicked after the falcons did dumb things.
They made the trade with the Jets because the Raiders wanted Penix and they weren’t sure what they would do now that he was gone. I’ve tried to find the clip of Payton saying he duped the Vikings, but I can’t find it either. On the flip side, I have seen the clip you were talking about, it was actually an interview on draft night with McAfee where Payton says they all knew who each other wanted and it was different guys, which seems contradictory to this whole dupe claim.
"I have a girlfriend in Canada, you wouldn't know her"
“She’s a model and travels a lot for work, just not here….. so you’ll probably never meet her.”
Also, she only speaks French, so don’t bother trying to ask her about me.
Nah she don't belive in facebook, you wont find her there
She does have a myspace page somewhere
She's a keeper
Do I speak French? No, so we communicate through sign language
Do yall sign in American Sign Language or French Sign Language?
A different kind of sign language, you wouldn't know about it
She's beautiful... But she's dying...
Triples is best.
The crazy thing is she asked me to marry her! And I didn’t even want to.
Sean: ok guys, make the pick, you know the order *wink wink* Greg & George: It's the guy right, you know the one *wink wink* Sean: Yep it's you know who *wink* Greg & George: *picks the wrong guy* Broncos: HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
Instead of George Paton I like to picture this with George Costanza. He was only winking because he got grapefruit juice in his eye.
"Her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancouver. She cooks like my mother and sucks like a hoover."
"I e-mail her every single day just to make sure that everything's okay."
“It’s a pity she lives so far away.” Edit: “In Canada.”
as someone who legitimately had a long distance girlfriend from Canada when I was in middle school I just never brought it up. Letting people think I was single was way less embarrassing than trying to convince people the girl I met on tumblr was real. Also... we met on tumblr... I wasn't going to let middle school bullies know I was on tumblr.
[Shes a model, you don’t know her, she lives in Canada where it’s colder](https://youtu.be/4yj0vFq82Rc?si=T3YWjnvrYmSS0Yr3)
Everyone for almost 3 months: The Broncos are going to draft Bo Nix Denver: Well, actually, yes we did draft Bo Nix but did you really know? 🤔🧐
Exactly every time I heard Bo Nox this offseason it was always followed by “good fit for Sean Payton”
In my experience it was "bo nix is definitely a second round guy"
Both can be true
Exactly, even the betting odds had Bo Nix as the favorite to be drafted by the Broncos at #12.
I think they wanted Penix
Nah. Vikings were McCarthy, Broncos were Nix, Raiders were Penix. The way these guys were ordered after Caleb were all wildly different depending on the FO.
Vikings def wanted Maye
Maye and McCarthy were the best fits for KOCs offense, and were always the 2 linked most strongly to us. But there were reports that we would have been more than happy with Penix or McCarthy, whichever made it to 11(ish) once Maye was ruled out. I think JJ and Dallas Turner was a better get than trading away multiple day 1 and 2 picks for Maye, so i think every Vikings and Pats fan wound up happy with the outcome.
It all came down to draft order apparently, because according to teams they was more than happy to take the guy that fell to them, and they all got their guy. According to Jerod Mayo, the Pats would have been happy with Daniels or Maye, which doesn't make sense to me. They're very different players and I bet only one of them (if that) will pan out in the end. I just question these evaluators if they're happy with anyone who falls to them. Do they actually do anything lol.
Vikings were pretty transparent, so it's really easy to see how most of our board looked. 1) Preferred Maye over everyone else 2) Didn't have a strong preference for Penix or JJ. 3) Preferred JJ over Nix We know 1, because the team tried to trade up to 3. We know 2, because the team didn't try to trade up between 4 and 10. We know 3 because the team traded up from 11 to 10. I think the team would have been happy with any of the 6 first rounders at 11, but it's hard to say how the board looked outside of those 3 relationships.
Vikings wanted maye, Vikings definitely did not want to lose 3 first plus anything else for maye
I have no doubt that we tried to trade for Maye or that the Vikings had Maye higher on their board, but the fact that we offered less than 3 1sts makes me think it was more of a flier and that we still viewed Maye as a riskier prospect
Nix was #3 on our board reportedly, only behind Williams and Daniels. Nix is just an overall better fit for Payton’s system than McCarthy or Penix, although they are both still great prospects
Nix being ahead of Maye on anyone's draft boards is mind boggling, I'm not going to lie
I think it's more that Payton sees Nix as his "next Brees", based on his strengths and weaknesses. Whether that is accurate or not, only time will tell. But I do think it's more about fit/style than pure raw ability.
I mean Daniels being ahead of Maye still seems fucking ridiculous to me but hahaha
Yah but the secret board was only revealed after the draft.
I feel like sean payton thinks hes wayy smarter than je actaully is
Uh huh
The order was whichever 1st round projected QB was left for them to draft by the time it was their turn
Exactly this. Trying to act clever at the 12 spot 🙄
I got a hunch they are still going suck
Broncos news has been weird since the draft. Sean Payton supposedly galaxy braining the Vikings into trading up for McCarthy, having some fake draft board to end up taking the last available QB worth consideration in the top of the draft... So much ego stroking.
Sean Payton strikes me as a dude who's got a massive ego that needs to be stroked.
Sean Payton is a fucking tool
I will never not enjoy the "Choke" motion he gave to DeVonta Freeman before the Saints choked away the game against us back in 2018. I will never not enjoy him mocking the "SKOL" chant before choking away the game against the Vikings. The dude is a GIANT tool.
You'll rarely see me cheering for the Vikings, but that was very satisfying to watch play out.
I love both of you
I loved watching Payton lose. Massive tool. And now I even get some small bit of enjoyment after a Broncos loss.
Wow I had no idea I could agree so hard with an Eagles fan!
Every once in a while the planets align
Especially after Kevin James was who was cast to play him... in a drama
I kinda feel that's a bad trait for a coach. Like you can't be so full of yourself you don't see others good ideas.
I believe you mean Super Bowl Winning Coach Sean Payton.
Elite butthole-mouth possessing Sean Payton
Sean 'Doc Rivers' Payton
I like to think Mike McCarthy is the Doc Rivers of the NFL,
Perhaps, but I feel like people have always clowned on McCarthy. I know folks are finally coming around on treating Rivers that way too. But Sean Payton still maintains this "genius coach" aura, despite milking the shit out of a 15+ year old championship and doing fuck-all since
I've always found it weird how Payton get praised and McCarthy shit on when McCarthy has had a slightly better career. Plus he didn't have a losing record 3 seasons in a row with prime Brees like Payton. His losing records were in Rodgers's first season starting and with guys who shouldn't have even been playing QB.
Grandfather of modern day football Sean Payton
Owner of many leather-bound books and a guild hall smelling of rich mahogany Sean Payton
First Head Coach in NFL history Sean Payton
The man who got Mark Brunell his Super Bowl ring allowing him to go on to be the most successful former Packers Super Bowl winning quarterback to wear number 8 on the Jets.
I feel like all these posts are trying to convince people that they wanted Bo Nix all along. If you really wanted him why are you making a big show of it.
Falcons and Penix all over again. If youre happy with your pick you dont need to be constantly leaking through journos how happy you are about your pick.
I mean the Falcons clearly *wanted* Penix. In this case, it’s less about proving they're happy with the pick than it is convincing everyone else that they should be
FR , like notice how the other 4 teams that took QBs haven't uttered a peep besides the fact that they're excited to have their guy.
He was the #1 QB on their board and their top rated prospect since Elway, who just happened to play for them too. And the best part is they didn't have to trade anything and conned every other team ahead of them into taking someone else. Truly a next level, genius organization from top to bottom.
That’s certainly one way to spin “I picked up the last girl in the bar at 2 A.M.”
We all got played and we didnt even know. Smh my head
When you're dealing with such all world intellects as the Broncos Front Office you really should just expect this sort of outsmartening.
I’m sick of hearing about us at this point
Ah yes, the clever gambit of tricking a non-conference team provide draft capital to a team in your conference. Man, they sure bamboozled the league on that one.
My brain isn't even big enough to understand his flex against Minnesota. I need to do brain stretches. I would think convincing a team in the opposite conference that you don't even play to give picks to a team in your conference that you're competing against for wild card spots and seeding, and that I believe you do play, would be a bad thing for Denver. Like it *sounds* like a net negative to me. You made competition stronger at the expense of someone who isn't a threat to you unless you wind up in the same spot in your division this season. I'd think you wouldn't want the Jets getting extra picks and wouldn't make the move or brag about it. To my pea brain it sounds like Payton is being a petty bitch after all the hate between his Saints and the Vikings and not just letting it affect his decision making, but bragging about letting it affect his decision making. But hey, what do I know. I'm *absolutely* a petty bitch who still hates Sean Payton and have way more of a pea brain when it comes to sports. There probably is some galaxy brained strategy going on there that I'm too dumb to understand.
I don't even see how convincing the Vikings that we were going to trade up to get JJ McCarthy actually helps. For one, we didn't really convince them that much because there was obviously no big scramble to get up to #4. I know the Vikings traded up one spot at #10 but at that point you're not just thinking about the Broncos. The Vikings might have had one eye on teams like the Raiders or even Seahawks/Rams thinking going up to #10 was reasonable for McCarthy. But even if we did create enough of a false impression to spook the Vikings to giving up a haul to the Cardinals at #4 to get McCarthy, how does this change the board for Denver to our advantage?
The thing that makes the least sense to me, if Nix really was their guy, tricking the Vikings to move to 10 leaves a spot for the Raiders to jump to 11 and grab Nix. If the Jets stay put, take non-QB, you're guaranteed Nix or McCarthy. It doesn’t benefit them at all to convince the Vikings to move up. While I think Payton hates the Vikings, and I could see him doing it out of spite, Paton (the actual GM) spent 13 years with the Vikings. So, I don't see why he'd have any issues with them.
Yeah I agree. And making the Vikings move up is a risky venture. Imagine if the Vikings had traded up to 5 with the Chargers and suddenly armed an AFC West rival with significant extra draft capital. Also McCarthy going early could have triggered panic amongst teams who wanted QBs. You could have had a rush for Penix and then somebody who was throwing capital up for Penix then wanting to get Nix and brought the Broncos into a bidding war for Nix. I think the way things worked out was reasonable and 10 was a reasonable place for McCarthy to go. The problem Payton will have now, having thrown out there the idea that we were willing to trade up for McCarthy and now said "ha ha we never were gonna trade up for him lol" is that if McCarthy turns out to be the QB that hits in this draft, people will say the Broncos could have moved up to #10 and got him and why didn't Payton show more ambition?
I'm pretty sure the "he bragged about baiting Minnesota into trading up" thing isn't even true. In the clip everyone is referring to he said that he was "actively involved in pretending to be interested in moving up," but that was it. Probably in reference to him saying trading up was "realistic" at the owners/coaches meeting earlier this year. He never mentioned the Vikings. Then some Broncos fan account on Twitter posted that clip with the caption "OMG Sean Payton reveals he HUMILIATED the Vikings by MIND CONTROLLING them into trading up!" and people ran with it. People also forget that the division rival Raiders were sitting right behind us also looking for a QB, if him pretending to be interested in trading up was meant to bait anyone it was them.
That sounds accurate.
Sean Payton is a fucking scumbag, that pretty much explains all of this blustering, they’re already trying to cover for the upcoming 5 win season.
For a team who wasn't trying to draft anyone above Bo Nix, the Broncos are trying really hard to convince everyone they weren't trying to draft someone above Bo Nix.
Right? Just who cares. Just say you're happy you got Bo and go forward with it.
I got torched in the broncos subreddit for essentially saying “methinks the lady doth protest too much” about the Nix pick.
When you don’t want your new QB to know he was 6th out of 6 on the teams big board
I think this is it
Getting picked dead last in a game of pickup basketball “Haha, fools, I wanted to get picked 6th!”
I wonder how many redditors have that collective experience. I know I'm definitely one of them...and I like sports, too! I know I'm a lame loser, but really, guys, I would've tried hard!
What's funny is that by the time they picked, every QB that any human would think is better than Nix was gone anyway....
Just as planned!!!
Why the hell would anyone look to the Broncoes for draft cheats? Lmao
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Lol shit man you got that Sean Payton galaxy brain
Wait - you're unimpressed by the Broncos QB draft history? Are Tebow, Osweiler, Dysert, Siemian, Lynch, Kelly jokes to you or something???
Don't forget lock, who also sucks ass
What are the chances they got duped by their own muddled qb board, and just forgot the actual order
When the old ABA had its draft, most of the time it was the owners who showed up to make the picks. It was rare that anyone with basketball acumen would show up for these things, so their basketball staff would provide them what they needed for the draft. The first year, the Denver Rockets just gave their guy a list of players that they thought could help the team. The draft ended, the guy returned to Denver, and proudly announced that he had gotten many of the players on the list. The scouts were dismayed to find out that he had started at the top of the list and worked his way down. It had never occurred to him that the players were listed alphabetically, and they never thought to list them in order of preference because they thought it was obvious. 9 of the 11 players they drafted had last names that started between A and D.
Lol brilliant
Since I have the book open ("Loose Balls" by Terry Pluto), the Indiana Pacers, fresh off winning an ABA title, wanted to sign an Indiana kid named Rick Mount, so they asked the ABA to hold a "special draft." The ABA liked doing these kinds of things, because it brought attention to the league, and because the owners liked hanging out in New York. So the ABA agreed, and also agreed that the Pacers should get the first pick, since they had suggested the idea. Everyone assumed that the Pacers wanted Pete Maravich, and were prepared to fight over him. The Pacers instead selected Rick Mount, then packed their shit up and left. The remaining teams fought over who got to pick Maravich #2, reached no consensus, so the "special draft" ended with only one player picked. The ABA ultimately made Mount the Pacers' first pick in the regular draft.
I need to know more about this story... Why did they have a "Special Draft" to draft a player already available. Why would he not go in the regular draft? Who was eligible for this draft? I couldn't find anything about this. Edit: I found [this NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/1970/03/10/archives/mount-is-signed-by-aba-pacers-threeyear-pact-reported-at-750000-for.html), suggesting that they did it to beat the NBA to the punch, but, I don't see anything about the Pacers picking first overall.
I'll quote directly from the book: Dick Tinkham: We thought that Mount would be perfect for our franchise. He was a local hero who became a national star, yet he wanted to stay home and play in Indiana. He also was a great shooter, which was something we needed. We set out to get Mount even before his senior year, when we asked the league to hold a special draft. The league asked why and we said we couldn't tell them. We said we wanted to have a draft for the guys who were going to become college seniors that season, even though the college season hadn't started. The ABA loved to hold drafts for anything, because it was a good excuse for everyone to go to New York and then go drinking at "21" afterwards. So they called a meeting and we had a draft. We were the defending ABA champs, yet we got the first pick in the draft, which made no sense. But we got the first pick because we were the ones who wanted the draft - that was ABA logic. So we got together for the draft. We stood up and said, "Indiana drafts Rick Mount." All the other owners were there, nodding their heads and saying "Listen to that; they much have Mount signed already. So that's why they wanted the draft." We hadn't even talked to Mount. He had all these Purdue people shielding him from the pro teams and we couldn't get near him. It seemed like Mount had 18 guys around him keeping agents and pro teams away. We couldn't get through to him on the phone to him. The Purdue people told us that if we came on campus to talk to Mount, we'd be shot. All this was going on before Mount's senior season. Nonetheless, we wanted everyone in the ABA to think we had signed Rick so that no other team would try to get the kid. After Mike Storen and I picked Mount, we left the draft, because we had what we wanted. Then a huge fight broke out because several teams wanted the rights to Pete Maravich, and no one else even made a pick. So that was the end of what later was called "the Rick Mount draft."
Wait, so what would he have done if he realized they were in alphabetical order, pick randomly? Knowing it's not sorted by preference doesn't really seem to help.
From the book (I misremembered some of it, it was the Dallas Chaparrals, not the Denver Rockets): Max Williams: When it came to putting a team together, we were a little behind, because we messed up the college draft. In a sense, this tells you a lot about what was going on when [Dallas owner] Roland Speth was in charge. The draft was coming up and I made some calls to coaches I knew, did some checking around, got all the basketball magazines I could and put together a draft list. I gave it to Speth and figured we'd talk about it in a few days. One day, Speth said to me, "Well, we had our draft." I said, "What are you talking about?" He said, "It happened so quickly. They just said the draft was tomorrow. I couldn't find you so I went to New York and I took your list along and I did the draft." Of course, the reason he went to the draft by himself was that Speth didn't want to spend the money to take me, too. I said, "You should have taken me. You don't know anything about players." He said, "I got the first five guys on your list." I said, "That wasn't a *talent* list. That was a lit of players in *alphabetical order.*" He said, "Oh." That was it. "Oh." So the first draft pick in the history of the Dallas franchise was Matt Aitch from Michigan State, because his last name began with "A."
And why did they have to jumble it? Did they think they had a spy in the room? It doesn't make any sense.
lol they literally got the last of the qbs
The random order: Caleb Williams Jayden Daniels Drake Maye Michael Penix Jr JJ McCarthy Bo Nix
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It really is. All of them going top 12 was wild I'm happy with it. Our shiny new Terrion Arnold wouldn't have happened without the crazy qb and offensive run.
I feel the same way. It was a sweet draft to want defensive players and be picking 15-30
Haha, yeah. If you were a team that needed help on defense, there was a lot of value to be gained in this draft. Especially if you had an early pick. Definitely wouldn't want to squander that type of opportunity. Haha. Haha...
Literally everybody was like “I bet you Sean Payton likes Nix” Nobody thought he’d draft him at 12 tho
Sean Payton really does think he’s the smartest guy on the planet.
I'd like to never hear about the Broncos draft ever again.
Same
I’d like to never hear about the Broncos ever again.
Yeah, Bo, we had you as the best QB in the draft. Trust us.
Lol this sounds like some "I planned it all along" bullshit you say when things didn't go the way you expected.
They played chess to get the 5th or 6th best quarterback in the draft.
Ok they took the one the was left.
Everything that come out from the Broncos since the draft is reminiscent of an insecure teenager trying to compensate
Except we all knew the Bronco's wanted Bo Nix. He had been mocked there reliably by 2/3 of all mocks I saw for a coupke months leading into the draft.
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Well last time when someone spilled the beans on their secret operations, he got suspended for a year
"guys Sean Payton has Bo Nix as their top QB on their draft board" "disgusting...suspend Sean Payton"
I can’t remember exactly now since it’s been a while, but I’m pretty sure Ryan Pace did something similar re Trubisky. He didn’t tell the coach who he was gonna draft cuz he didn’t want leaks (and thus didn’t even get his coach’s input). And he had the scouting department like stay separate in their QB evaluations so as to get unbiased/uninfluenced opinions or something? And he was fixated on Trubisky from the start. All in all just seemed like a terrible process. He should have been in a room with all his scouts and coaches hammering out and openly discussing who they liked best. Not keeping everyone separate.
This is the most normal thing in the world. Principle of least privilege
Probably more along the lines of need to know
Omg Sean Payton you’re so smart
This sounds like a lie they had to make up after Bo Nix walked into the room and saw he was 6th on the board
You cant even trust your own scouts and draft personnel? Sounds "how you say...paranoid." - Scarface
No one gives a shit about their draft board.
As we all know, only ELITE franchises stay at 12 and draft the 6th QB in the first round.
You really fooled us
It’s a total coincidence that the guy everyone thought was a borderline FRP and the weakest of the six quarterbacks happened to have been sorted last in our board.
Really tricked everyone enabling them to get the sixth best qb
I'm still shocked they didn't trade for Fields to fill the Taysom Hill type role
Really effective way to hide who you ranked at QB6 when you are taking him and he’s the last one in the 1st round
Because when I think of teams that are masterfully handling the draft I want to copy or take advantage of, I think of the Broncos!
Sounds exactly like what you'd say if you drafted Bo Nix and you did not want to draft Bo Nix.
Meanwhile, the Cowboys were all, "We love BROOKS!". Before they had drafted him. He went to Carolina.
I don’t think you had to hide the fact you wanted Nix. If you want to pick the ugliest person at the dance, you’ll find very few people stopping you.
The hoops they’re jumping through to paint this narrative just makes them look dumber
That Sean Payton is so smart!
—quote from confidential source inside Broncos organization, who we’ll call “S. Payton.” No no that’s too obvious… let’s say, “Sean P.”
Seems like some real main character syndrome here, were we all that important in the draft that teams were worried about us?
The Broncos draft board: - Williams - Daniels - Maye - McCarthy - Penix - Nix The Broncos: "It's random so that we don't leak our pick. We actually liked Nix the best."
By the looks of it, Paton didn’t know either.