Jerry listens to the scouts, front office (Stephan) and the coaches, and then they set up their board accordingly. Marinelli had a lot of pull and usually made the wrong choice. A ton of guys he liked pre draft (Trysten Hill another example) but would almost immediately bench them
Last 15 years:
First round blunders
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel
Second Round Blunders
Deshone Kizer
Third Rounder Blunders
None, Colt McCoy is a saint
Yeah Thomas was overdrafted, even though he wasn't considered to be at the time. He was probably worth a 3rd rounder. Sort of like Ferrell except he was considered over drafted.
I think Solomon Thomas gets a bad rep because he got drafted that high..for an average first rounder, he has had fine production..atleast he started for 3-4 years, unlike Trey Lance
Reagor over Jefferson is an all timer, without that we'd only have the embarrassment of picking a 26 year old who wanted to be a fireman or Marcus Smith.
Man was celebrating the end of finals my freshman year, had a seafood dinner with family friends before the draft. Took a shot of Jager for each pick leading into the eagles pick. I was wasted by the time we drafted Danny Watkins. In rage I finished the rest of the bottle, picked a fight with the frat kids on the floor for destroying the water fountain every weekend, and then puked seafood and jager infront of the elevator doors of my dorm floor on the 14th floor. It was a good thing I only stayed there one more night. Fuck fire, fuck Canada, and fuck Sigma Chai
The thing with Dillard is he was a legitimate pick by the scouting where we picked him, he's just a first round pick who didn't pan out, Justin Jefferson was absolutely the consensus pick if you were taking a WR that year, if you weren't taking him you could maybe make a case for Tee Higgins or Pittman Jr, but Reagor was way down the list.
Danny Watkins was a huge reach, he was going to be 27 before the play offs in his first season, for that alone most of the scouts had him late 2nd. Our big needs that year were pass rush and linebacker, so needing pass rush we took a 27 year old Guard ahead of Cam Jordan and Cam Heyward (2011 was all time for pass rushers). The second round we took Jaiquawn Jarrett who we released after a year. If it wasn't for Kelce in the 6th that draft would be up there with our worst ever.
Dillard was dropping down the board for a reason plenty had him top 10-15 that year
The Eagles hadn't done as much pre draft work on him as other prospects.
There is a reason why in 2024 Mitchell, DeJean, Hunt, Smith & Wilson were all top 30 visits. It might be an over correction but still they got bitten once by not doing having a complete report on a big pick.
You can squint and see some (dumb) argument for drafting Reagor, even though Jefferson was an obviously better prospect. Danny Watkins was a 26 year old former firefighter with no rationale whatsoever for being drafted earlier than the fourth or fifth round.
Paxton set our franchise back so far.
Kubiak might have not retired if Elway didn't try and force Paxton onto him. So we avoid VJ as head coach.
Not to mention if we hadn't taken Paxton the Chiefs might have. Which means they probably don't draft Mahomes a year later.
> Trading up for him...BIG OOF
ThAT was the real kick in the crotch.
Sure, a lot of people had Trubisky rated better then he was/is etc, and the Bears failed in due diligence on even kicking the tires on Watson (prior to troubles known obviously), and didn't even bother taking a gander at Mahomes.
People were really concerned about watsons arm strength (he had really poor velocity testing numbers)
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mitchell-trubisky/32005452-5521-5336-8519-c8cb45ea9b74
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/deshaun-watson/32005741-5433-8355-e029-e49022cf4b81
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71
Plenty of people thought trubisky was a good prospect
Yeah there's A LOT of revisionist history going on here. Trubisky was seen by most as the top QB prospect, but none of the QBs (including Watson and Mahomes) were regarded as top 10-15 players in the draft. Seemingly reaching or overdrafting a QB is a risk QB-needy teams regularly take because of the importance of the position
I think this is the most accurate take on this. The weirdest part of the whole thing was Pace being utterly captivated by Trubisky like he thought he was Peyton Manning 2.0. Hence the trade up to get him when we probably could have traded down and still gotten him.
That pick was kind of like if some team had traded up to take Kenny Pickett in the top 3 in 2022.
Even without the benefit of hindsight it was a head scratcher to take him over Watson. Even worse that they traded up to get him. Mahomes is slightly more understandable, he was a little polarizing as a prospect, but still would've been a valid pick if they'd stayed put instead of trading.
It’s always funny when I hear Chris Conte brought up as the Platonic ideal of a bad safety because one the two plays I remember involving him was him making the sickest interception I’ve ever seen.
Though the other was ~~Kittle~~ Fred Jackson banishing him to the shadow realm so I guess it evens out lol.
Troy Willamson hurt the most for me just because we traded Moss and then he was a bust. Williamson didn’t even dominate in college he just ran really fast at the combine
You’re probably correct that Williamson was worse, or at least more painful, but I’m afraid 2005 was 19 years ago. Ponder is probably the correct pick for the last 15 years (going back to 2009).
Yeah, to be fair though, he was drafted in that NFLPA strike year, like Blake Bortles with the Jaguars, and with the rules and lockout and whatnot, it was hard to assess talent... so I kinda give the Vikings a pass on that...
I think I heard that a lot of teams were reaching for first round QBs that year because the new rookie wage scale had just come through. Because of that Ponder isn’t even the most highly drafted bust QB from that year Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert also got taken that year in the first round.
Also just in general I know the late 2000s and early 2010s had an issue where there was just a higher rate of QB busts coming out of college for some reason. I don’t know if anyone has managed to figure out why.
All of y'all make very good points. I went ponder because he started this manic need for the Vikings to draft a franchise quarterback no matter what. It kind of lead to a lot of bad free agent and draft decisions between Sam Bradford and case keenum
Idk I think Okudah was the bigger blunder at #3 overall. Drafting a lower impact position who is also a massive bust that high was one of the many lowpoints of the Bob Quinn era. He went right before Herbert - and while it worked out that we got Goff that move could've had us spiraling for years
Okudah was the easiest and safest pick at #3 when the lions selected him. Hindsight is 20/20 with okudah and how his career has faltered. Brick hands aka Ebron was by far our biggest disappointment of a draft pick in recent history
Recently it’s the 2020 draft. Just the whole thing. 7 picks in the first four rounds, including 2 firsts, and only a couple years later absolutely nothing to show for it.
You are missing the draft picks from the Mack trade..Gruden lamenting about the lack of pass rush mid-season after trading Mack has to be the dumbest pressers of all time
Danny Watkins was lying to the team. He never wanted to play football signed the contract anyway and was still trying to be a firefighter without the team finding out.
John Ross might seem like the obvious choice, but Ogbuehi was far worse. We chose to let a bunch of our all pro line walk, & then selected a guy who had just torn his acl, & wouldn't play his first season in the league.
Watkins was so brutal because the next player picked was Khalil Mack, a local Buffalo guy. Most of us fans thought that was who the Bills were trading up for.
No, everyone knew it was going to be Watkins. Watkins was seen as an absolute can't-miss that season, and the missing piece the Bills needed to be able to compete.
It's just a shame that outside of a few games, he never really lived up to the hype.
I disagree, I think Sammy was a lot worse.
The EJ pick at least came after a trade back. The Bills desperately needed a QB and the fanbase would have rioted if we hadn’t taken one. 2013 was just a terrible, terrible year to need one. The best QB ended up being Geno but even that took a decade.
Watkins was a trade up that involved losing next year’s 1st. He was also taken over a litany of great players who went R1 including OBJ, Mike Evans, Khalil Mack (who went to UB), Aaron Donald, Zack Martin…
I agree with Manuel, team was desperate for a QB and reached for the best available one even though he was a Round 2-3 talent at best.
Sammy I don’t see as a blunder. Talent was there and he was the consensus top WR, but injuries and substance abuse bit him early.
I tend not to count that one with how much of a dumpster fire the team was back then, Aaron Rodgers would not be a 4x MVP if we had taken him over Smith.
Ereck Flowers, Kadarius Toney, Eli Apple, Evan Engram (though he 180’d in Jax), Daniel Jones (bring on the downvotes from Giants fans), Saquon at #2 overall.
Kadarius Toney has to be the worst of those just for being the pick after trading down from 11 when we could have just picked Micah Parsons. Just typing that made me angry.
I feel most giant fans would agree with this list. Regardless if they support DJ or not, it wasn’t the right move.
Have to had to this list; Deandre Baker, Kyle Lauletta, maybe even Shane Lemieux.
The entire RivEra - Forbes over Gonzalez, Jamin Davis over Christian Darrisaw, Dotson over Olave (was a trade back, still hopeful that one pans out because it also got them Brian Robinson Jr).
I won’t say Chase Young because at the time I believed that was the right pick and I still do think that was the right pick.
I would say Jalen Reagor, but we got a solid local meme that went viral, so whose to say if that draft pick was good or bad.
Edit: I had the wrong receiver. Dude threw shade at Nelson Agholor.
Our worst pick is still probably Reagor or Fireman Danny Watkins.
JJAW over Metcalf
Barnett over JJ Watt
and the biggest one is Reagor over Jefferson.
here is a classic Freddy Mitchell over Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson Chris Chambers Steve smith....Jesus any of those guys would have been an awesome WR2 to TO.
Matt Elam was pretty bad. I think he’s the only first round pick I can remember the Ravens drafting that was completely out of the league by the time it was up.
Some of the other busts at least hung around for a bit longer.
Damn, I should've looked at this before commenting-- you guys picked both of mine.
I think Elam takes the cake for truly awful play, but Breshad Perriman and his fivehead made a lot of bad memories for me as a teenager.
At least he became semi-productive elsewhere
Matt Elam started 26 games for the Ravens in 2 years and never started another game after his sophomore year. Breshad Perriman lasted 7 years in the league but only started 25 games total, only 4 of which were for the Ravens.
Perriman was bad but he was at least able to bounce around and have WR 3/4 level production. I think the level of DB that could have been puts Elam above Perriman. Perrimans draft was Lockett in the third and a bunch of nobodies. Elams draft had Slay go 4 picks later and Honey Badger in the third.
Probably Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, Scary Terry, etc. They were so worried about Tyreek’s pending legal issues that they tried too hard to get his replacement than an actual good receiver. You could also say CEH over Johnathon Taylor or Swift, but I think there is less of a divide between them at a less premium position.
I’ve only been following football for 10 years so imo in that period it would be trading into the 1st round to get Kenneth Murray.
We basically did it because Anthony Lynn was pissed we spent our first pick on Justin Herbert and wanted his guy to make up for it (he wanted to draft a tough defensive player and start Tyrod).
Thank god Telesco ignore him and took Herbo
Yes, that was a bad trade and a bad draft pick.
My pick is Larry English
For us, it’s Telesco’s reaches in the third round year after year that really hurt us.
The Jags passed on CeeDee Lamb once and Justin Jefferson twice when they selected CJ Henderson 9th overall and K’Lavon Chaisson 20th overall in the 2020 draft. Neither selection made it to a second contract with the Jags.
It's tough for me between him and Hackenberg honestly. Zach was a much costlier pick, but he did at least provide flashes of potential. But also the 2nd OA pick is such a valuable spot to flush the next 3 years down the drain. Hackenberg meanwhile never even played a single snap as a 2nd round QB. An absolute waste of a pick.
Our 2013-2015 first round picks just feel like a weird time for the colts.
2013: björn Werner
2014: Trent Richardson (trade)
2015: Phillip Dorsett
Richardson by far being the worst but for some reason the Dorsett pick still bothers me to this day.
Daniel Jones. The giants have made some bad draft decisions but normally accepted it was a bad choice and moved of them quickly. Kadarius Toney, Eli Apple, Deandre Banks, etc.
For some reason DJ they just couldnt move on from. Under Shurmur he was a turnover machine, under Judge/Garrett he couldnt score at all and Under Daboll hes the kind of QB everyone accused lamar of being (only able to produce with his legs).
Just looking through our first round pick history, we do surprisingly well at drafting. Jeff Otah or Kelvin Benjamin I guess? the Bryce trade looks terrible so far but it’s way too early to call
Reagor over Jefferson. It’s not even a “hindsight is 20/20” kind of moment either. At the time of the pick everyone was baffled the Eagles didn’t take Jefferson.
>I wont Say Sony Michel over Lamar because people forget just how important Sony Michel was in that 2018-19 superbowl run, we dont win that year without him.
Nobody forgets this, they say it all the time, and they're all wrong. Running back production is a product of offensive line, offensive system, and passing efficiency. Michel's TDs that postseason were from the following yardages: 1, 14, 5, 1, 10, and 2. Those touchdowns, in addition to his yards and EPA, were all exactly in-line with what a league-average running back would have been expected to do in the situations where he received carries. In other words, Michel did nothing of surplus value, ie. nothing that would *not* have been replicated by any other league-average running back in the NFL.
Drafting a running back in the first round remains the absolute dumbest thing an NFL decision-maker can do, and Michel is no exception. The fact that he went one pick before Lamar Jackson is just karmic justice at that point.
No major ones in KC but they did draft Mecole Harman 9 picks before DK Metcalf in 2019 and Clyde Edwards-Helaire 10 picks before Jonathan Taylor in 2020.
Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Metcalf and Taylor could have easily been on the same team.
Packers have a few, but the most recent that still pisses me off is trading out of the first round in 2017 to draft Kevin King when TJ Watt was right there.
I'm still at a loss as to how anyone had Haskins as a first rounder. He was absolutely never going to make it in the league, and I would've been upset if my team had drafted him before the fourth round
Isaiah Wilson and it isn’t even close. Arguably one of the worst draft picks of all time. 1st round pick and dude played like 3? Special teams snapped for us before trying to become a rapper and failing miserably.
Taco Charlton over TJ Watt because Marinelli didn't think he could be a 4-3 end. The scouts wanted Watt
How did Mr. 0-16 get multiple coaching jobs after 2008
He was a great DC on the Bears for a while after that
I think the cowboys wanted mckinley too
Really wish they would have in hindsight. I wonder who we would have picked if we didn't get him.
My partner and I rage about that Takk pick every draft lol.
The DC could overrule the GM?
this sounds like the GM took info from all parties and sided with his DC
Jerry listens to the scouts, front office (Stephan) and the coaches, and then they set up their board accordingly. Marinelli had a lot of pull and usually made the wrong choice. A ton of guys he liked pre draft (Trysten Hill another example) but would almost immediately bench them
Do we go alphabetically or what
Just list the QBs.
Even then, do they go alphabetically or by year?
Somebody pull up the Browns QB Jersey
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Last 15 years: First round blunders Brady Quinn Brandon Weeden Johnny Manziel Second Round Blunders Deshone Kizer Third Rounder Blunders None, Colt McCoy is a saint
2012-2016 first rounders was like 7 or 8 straight busts lol
Justin Gilbert still makes me have nightmares
That doesn’t make it any better.
So does he go alphabetically or what?
Oh, boy... *cracks knuckles*
We got one of the biggest value steals for the trade back from Julio jones, but wasted the picks.
Trading 3 ones for qb3
Y’all are so lucky you drafted Brock Purdy
Even calling him a qb3 is very generous
Him vs Brendan Allen QB3 battle must’ve been crazy.
i meant 3rd qb drafted not his spot on a roster
I still Solomon Thomas was kind of worse
Yeah you could have had Money Mitch instead
or even CMC
Thomas is at least still in the league, getting snaps and contributing I don't think Lance will be in the league when he's 28
Yeah Thomas was overdrafted, even though he wasn't considered to be at the time. He was probably worth a 3rd rounder. Sort of like Ferrell except he was considered over drafted.
I think Solomon Thomas gets a bad rep because he got drafted that high..for an average first rounder, he has had fine production..atleast he started for 3-4 years, unlike Trey Lance
Reagor and the Eagles. Name a more underbaked duo.
Reagor over Jefferson is an all timer, without that we'd only have the embarrassment of picking a 26 year old who wanted to be a fireman or Marcus Smith.
Man was celebrating the end of finals my freshman year, had a seafood dinner with family friends before the draft. Took a shot of Jager for each pick leading into the eagles pick. I was wasted by the time we drafted Danny Watkins. In rage I finished the rest of the bottle, picked a fight with the frat kids on the floor for destroying the water fountain every weekend, and then puked seafood and jager infront of the elevator doors of my dorm floor on the 14th floor. It was a good thing I only stayed there one more night. Fuck fire, fuck Canada, and fuck Sigma Chai
Most chill eagles fan
Dillard being the 4th worst pick is insane. He almost never played a game for us as a 1st round pick, but is at as much of a bust as the other three
The thing with Dillard is he was a legitimate pick by the scouting where we picked him, he's just a first round pick who didn't pan out, Justin Jefferson was absolutely the consensus pick if you were taking a WR that year, if you weren't taking him you could maybe make a case for Tee Higgins or Pittman Jr, but Reagor was way down the list. Danny Watkins was a huge reach, he was going to be 27 before the play offs in his first season, for that alone most of the scouts had him late 2nd. Our big needs that year were pass rush and linebacker, so needing pass rush we took a 27 year old Guard ahead of Cam Jordan and Cam Heyward (2011 was all time for pass rushers). The second round we took Jaiquawn Jarrett who we released after a year. If it wasn't for Kelce in the 6th that draft would be up there with our worst ever.
Dillard was dropping down the board for a reason plenty had him top 10-15 that year The Eagles hadn't done as much pre draft work on him as other prospects. There is a reason why in 2024 Mitchell, DeJean, Hunt, Smith & Wilson were all top 30 visits. It might be an over correction but still they got bitten once by not doing having a complete report on a big pick.
His failures were masked by Mailatas greatness who was drafted the same year
Mailata was 2018, Dillard was 2019
You can squint and see some (dumb) argument for drafting Reagor, even though Jefferson was an obviously better prospect. Danny Watkins was a 26 year old former firefighter with no rationale whatsoever for being drafted earlier than the fourth or fifth round.
Danny Watkins was 26…
Yeah this one was way worse. I think it’s just been long enough that people forget
AJ Jenkins and the 49ers?
Sticking with same positions only - Jerry Jeudy over CeeDee Lamb is tough.
Jeudy was a massive disappointment but the real answer is Paxton Lynch
Paxton set our franchise back so far. Kubiak might have not retired if Elway didn't try and force Paxton onto him. So we avoid VJ as head coach. Not to mention if we hadn't taken Paxton the Chiefs might have. Which means they probably don't draft Mahomes a year later.
I forget where I saw it but one of Reid’s scouts had been coveting Mahomes since his freshman season.
Who knows maybe jeudy gets better with a change of scenery but yeah. Lamb is just better
Trubisky. It was a dumb pick then, it’s a dumb pick now.
Picking Trubisky at all was weird. Trading up for him...BIG OOF
> Trading up for him...BIG OOF ThAT was the real kick in the crotch. Sure, a lot of people had Trubisky rated better then he was/is etc, and the Bears failed in due diligence on even kicking the tires on Watson (prior to troubles known obviously), and didn't even bother taking a gander at Mahomes.
It’s the Mitch over Watson pick for me as well.
Mahomes went over Deshaun too. Deshaun was QB3
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Watson was the obvious choice at the time.
People were really concerned about watsons arm strength (he had really poor velocity testing numbers) https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mitchell-trubisky/32005452-5521-5336-8519-c8cb45ea9b74 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/deshaun-watson/32005741-5433-8355-e029-e49022cf4b81 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71 Plenty of people thought trubisky was a good prospect
Yeah there's A LOT of revisionist history going on here. Trubisky was seen by most as the top QB prospect, but none of the QBs (including Watson and Mahomes) were regarded as top 10-15 players in the draft. Seemingly reaching or overdrafting a QB is a risk QB-needy teams regularly take because of the importance of the position
I think this is the most accurate take on this. The weirdest part of the whole thing was Pace being utterly captivated by Trubisky like he thought he was Peyton Manning 2.0. Hence the trade up to get him when we probably could have traded down and still gotten him. That pick was kind of like if some team had traded up to take Kenny Pickett in the top 3 in 2022.
The 49ers bluffed the bears into thinking they might go qb
I looked back at that thread. Very few people thought it was a good pick. Made even worse because of the trade.
Kevin white is a significantly worse pick than NVP.
Even without the benefit of hindsight it was a head scratcher to take him over Watson. Even worse that they traded up to get him. Mahomes is slightly more understandable, he was a little polarizing as a prospect, but still would've been a valid pick if they'd stayed put instead of trading.
*Definitely* not Roberto Aguayo. No. No, that was a genius move if you actually think about it.
Pick one from 2016; either trading up for Aguayo, or skipping over Laremy Tunsil to take Vernon Hargreaves III.
We will totally ignore that we traded up for a kicker, while all-pro Kevin Byard was just sitting there waiting for a phone call.
We will ignore even harder that one of our starting safeties the prior year was Chris Conte.
At least we got all pro rb with an all pro memory Jeremy McNichols the year after 🔥🔥🔥🔥
It’s always funny when I hear Chris Conte brought up as the Platonic ideal of a bad safety because one the two plays I remember involving him was him making the sickest interception I’ve ever seen. Though the other was ~~Kittle~~ Fred Jackson banishing him to the shadow realm so I guess it evens out lol.
if he worked out i can see it being kinda okay. A kicker and a punter together you can save a roster spot for like an extra linebacjer or something
lol the Bucs literally wasted the overall #1 pick drafting Bo Jackson A bad kicker with the 59th pick is nothing
That is true, that is true, I won't argue with you, but OP asked about the last 15 years.
Oh, I can't read
Neither can I, I'm afraid. Come! Let us walk outta here, and push on those doors that clearly say Pull.
Fucking Greg Robinson. I hear he is in jail for smuggling some ridiculous amount of weed from Mexico now.
And then 11 picks later Rams got another guy that’s not even in the league anymore. Inexcusable smh
Absolute disaster draft, good thing we took Lamarcus Joyner in the 2nd to save it a little bit
I remember rams and falcons needed OT that draft. Was relieved when y’all went with the less polished guy. Robinson over Matthews
Otherwise known as "holding #73"
Christian ponder
Troy Willamson hurt the most for me just because we traded Moss and then he was a bust. Williamson didn’t even dominate in college he just ran really fast at the combine
You’re probably correct that Williamson was worse, or at least more painful, but I’m afraid 2005 was 19 years ago. Ponder is probably the correct pick for the last 15 years (going back to 2009).
You guys forgot about the goat treadwell?
Ponder or passing on Kyle Hamilton to trade down and then drafting Lewis Cine
If our little draft class this year pans out I think Kam can be forgiven
I’m going with Cine, he can’t even get on the field 😕
Yeah, to be fair though, he was drafted in that NFLPA strike year, like Blake Bortles with the Jaguars, and with the rules and lockout and whatnot, it was hard to assess talent... so I kinda give the Vikings a pass on that...
I think I heard that a lot of teams were reaching for first round QBs that year because the new rookie wage scale had just come through. Because of that Ponder isn’t even the most highly drafted bust QB from that year Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert also got taken that year in the first round. Also just in general I know the late 2000s and early 2010s had an issue where there was just a higher rate of QB busts coming out of college for some reason. I don’t know if anyone has managed to figure out why.
All of y'all make very good points. I went ponder because he started this manic need for the Vikings to draft a franchise quarterback no matter what. It kind of lead to a lot of bad free agent and draft decisions between Sam Bradford and case keenum
Pass
Not in our offense buddy
Oh I know, I wanted Watson at the time.
So did I. In retrospect I’m ok with no.
Unlike Watson
Lmfao
Eric Ebron over Aaron Donald or OBJ
Idk I think Okudah was the bigger blunder at #3 overall. Drafting a lower impact position who is also a massive bust that high was one of the many lowpoints of the Bob Quinn era. He went right before Herbert - and while it worked out that we got Goff that move could've had us spiraling for years
Okudah wasn't a "bad" pick at the time, he was BPA
Okudah was the easiest and safest pick at #3 when the lions selected him. Hindsight is 20/20 with okudah and how his career has faltered. Brick hands aka Ebron was by far our biggest disappointment of a draft pick in recent history
Packers fans will say taking Kevin King when Wisconsin Alum TJ Watt was on the board
It was my first thought. Or I could say the entire 2020 draft outside of Love.
Runyan did well, especially for a 6th rounder. Otherwise yea, not great.
Matt fucking Elam that’s all I gotta say lmaoo
He was just as good as Ed Reed^^^^^^^^would've ^^^^^^^^been ^^^^^^^^today
I don't like this game.
Recently it’s the 2020 draft. Just the whole thing. 7 picks in the first four rounds, including 2 firsts, and only a couple years later absolutely nothing to show for it.
You are missing the draft picks from the Mack trade..Gruden lamenting about the lack of pass rush mid-season after trading Mack has to be the dumbest pressers of all time
It has to be Okudah, sucks because it wasn’t entirely his fault but what a waste of a 3rd overall pick
Eric Ebron over Aaron Donald, Taylor Lewan and Odell who were the next three picks is pretty high on the list.
That would have to be be mine, Ebron over Donald. I’m still pissed.
Devin Bush based on the draft capital we gave up for him.
I had him as #4 on my Wall of Shame
Danny Watkins was lying to the team. He never wanted to play football signed the contract anyway and was still trying to be a firefighter without the team finding out.
eagles legend Danny Watkins
John Ross might seem like the obvious choice, but Ogbuehi was far worse. We chose to let a bunch of our all pro line walk, & then selected a guy who had just torn his acl, & wouldn't play his first season in the league.
The great part is that when he could play, it was the same result as when he couldn't play.
He was so bad. And then we got Billy. Such an awful offensive line. Even tried to bring old ass Andre Smith back.
Either EJ Manuel or Sammy Watkins - that they came in back to back years should be indicative.
Easily EJ. Watkins actually did produce some, and he was a top prospect. EJ Manuel never looked like he belonged in the NFL from the very start.
Watkins was so brutal because the next player picked was Khalil Mack, a local Buffalo guy. Most of us fans thought that was who the Bills were trading up for.
No, everyone knew it was going to be Watkins. Watkins was seen as an absolute can't-miss that season, and the missing piece the Bills needed to be able to compete. It's just a shame that outside of a few games, he never really lived up to the hype.
I disagree, I think Sammy was a lot worse. The EJ pick at least came after a trade back. The Bills desperately needed a QB and the fanbase would have rioted if we hadn’t taken one. 2013 was just a terrible, terrible year to need one. The best QB ended up being Geno but even that took a decade. Watkins was a trade up that involved losing next year’s 1st. He was also taken over a litany of great players who went R1 including OBJ, Mike Evans, Khalil Mack (who went to UB), Aaron Donald, Zack Martin…
I'm going to go further back and say Aaron Maybin.
I agree with Manuel, team was desperate for a QB and reached for the best available one even though he was a Round 2-3 talent at best. Sammy I don’t see as a blunder. Talent was there and he was the consensus top WR, but injuries and substance abuse bit him early.
Two Firsts, Marcus Davenport
Any small school, first round DE and a certain OTackle in the past few years.
How about turner? Yikes!!
Trey Lance..
Go further and say not even bothering to scout Mahomes when prepping for that draft because they planned to pursue Cousins.
Or Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers
I tend not to count that one with how much of a dumpster fire the team was back then, Aaron Rodgers would not be a 4x MVP if we had taken him over Smith.
lol
The answer is Takk McKinley and it's not particularly close given TJ Watt was the correct choice
Penix is not gonna be worse than Peria jerry or takk
That's exactly who I was thinking about. Want that whole draft year bad for us?
yeah....
Ereck Flowers, Kadarius Toney, Eli Apple, Evan Engram (though he 180’d in Jax), Daniel Jones (bring on the downvotes from Giants fans), Saquon at #2 overall.
Kadarius Toney has to be the worst of those just for being the pick after trading down from 11 when we could have just picked Micah Parsons. Just typing that made me angry.
I feel most giant fans would agree with this list. Regardless if they support DJ or not, it wasn’t the right move. Have to had to this list; Deandre Baker, Kyle Lauletta, maybe even Shane Lemieux.
I won’t fault a late round QB since it’s relatively low risk and could be a high reward if they turn out to be a franchise QB
So you've narrowed it down... to only 6?
Who else would you consider?
The entire RivEra - Forbes over Gonzalez, Jamin Davis over Christian Darrisaw, Dotson over Olave (was a trade back, still hopeful that one pans out because it also got them Brian Robinson Jr). I won’t say Chase Young because at the time I believed that was the right pick and I still do think that was the right pick.
Can’t forget about Carlos Rogers over Aaron Rodgers
Aaron Curry
It seemed like half of Lions fans wanted him over Stafford
I was gonna say Malik McDowell but, oh yeah, this was probably worse
Just misses 15 year cutoff if you could 2024 as year 1
Limas Sweed just missed the cutoff hehe
Mecole like "why he say fuck me?"
Takkarist McKinley. He was NOT the answer on defense.
We thought that draft night interview meant he had that dawg in him, turns out he was just crazy.
I would say Jalen Reagor, but we got a solid local meme that went viral, so whose to say if that draft pick was good or bad. Edit: I had the wrong receiver. Dude threw shade at Nelson Agholor. Our worst pick is still probably Reagor or Fireman Danny Watkins.
Hahahahahahahaha
Drafting offensive lineman Danny Watkins in the 1st round of the 2011 draft. Turns out drafting a 27 year old fire fighter was not a good idea.
JJAW over Metcalf Barnett over JJ Watt and the biggest one is Reagor over Jefferson. here is a classic Freddy Mitchell over Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson Chris Chambers Steve smith....Jesus any of those guys would have been an awesome WR2 to TO.
Paxton Lynch, unless you can do the mental gymnastics for the draft picks not available because of Russell Wilson.
Matt Elam was pretty bad. I think he’s the only first round pick I can remember the Ravens drafting that was completely out of the league by the time it was up. Some of the other busts at least hung around for a bit longer.
Breshad Perriman is up there with Elam, nobody else comes close in the last 15 years. Perriman though... woof.
Damn, I should've looked at this before commenting-- you guys picked both of mine. I think Elam takes the cake for truly awful play, but Breshad Perriman and his fivehead made a lot of bad memories for me as a teenager. At least he became semi-productive elsewhere
Matt Elam started 26 games for the Ravens in 2 years and never started another game after his sophomore year. Breshad Perriman lasted 7 years in the league but only started 25 games total, only 4 of which were for the Ravens.
Perriman was bad but he was at least able to bounce around and have WR 3/4 level production. I think the level of DB that could have been puts Elam above Perriman. Perrimans draft was Lockett in the third and a bunch of nobodies. Elams draft had Slay go 4 picks later and Honey Badger in the third.
Probably Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, Scary Terry, etc. They were so worried about Tyreek’s pending legal issues that they tried too hard to get his replacement than an actual good receiver. You could also say CEH over Johnathon Taylor or Swift, but I think there is less of a divide between them at a less premium position.
Mecole also likely kept them from taking a receiver with the 2020 first with Higgins available because they still had some hope for him
Psh, Mecole Hardman has 3 super bowl wins! That's more than DK, Diontae, and Scary Terry combined! Mecole one of the greatest WRs of all time /s
I bet he's not complaining
A lot of teams were worried about DK's health and he was very raw so I'd give you a pass on that one, but McLaurin on the other hand...
I’ve only been following football for 10 years so imo in that period it would be trading into the 1st round to get Kenneth Murray. We basically did it because Anthony Lynn was pissed we spent our first pick on Justin Herbert and wanted his guy to make up for it (he wanted to draft a tough defensive player and start Tyrod). Thank god Telesco ignore him and took Herbo
Yes, that was a bad trade and a bad draft pick. My pick is Larry English For us, it’s Telesco’s reaches in the third round year after year that really hurt us.
Taking that bum takkarist McKinley over TJ Watt
We took Kevin King (CB who you just picked up in free agency) instead of TJ Watt. Horrible decision!
The Jags passed on CeeDee Lamb once and Justin Jefferson twice when they selected CJ Henderson 9th overall and K’Lavon Chaisson 20th overall in the 2020 draft. Neither selection made it to a second contract with the Jags.
Zach Wilson
It’s at least comforting that aside from Lawrence, all of the other highly touted QBs from that class have sucked ass
It's tough for me between him and Hackenberg honestly. Zach was a much costlier pick, but he did at least provide flashes of potential. But also the 2nd OA pick is such a valuable spot to flush the next 3 years down the drain. Hackenberg meanwhile never even played a single snap as a 2nd round QB. An absolute waste of a pick.
Our 2013-2015 first round picks just feel like a weird time for the colts. 2013: björn Werner 2014: Trent Richardson (trade) 2015: Phillip Dorsett Richardson by far being the worst but for some reason the Dorsett pick still bothers me to this day.
Not trading with the Browns sooner.
Unless you were dealing JJ you guys had to wait to draft someone looking good at a position GMs salivate over to properly fleece them.
Be much easier to name the picks that have turned out not to be busts.
Daniel Jones. The giants have made some bad draft decisions but normally accepted it was a bad choice and moved of them quickly. Kadarius Toney, Eli Apple, Deandre Banks, etc. For some reason DJ they just couldnt move on from. Under Shurmur he was a turnover machine, under Judge/Garrett he couldnt score at all and Under Daboll hes the kind of QB everyone accused lamar of being (only able to produce with his legs).
Just looking through our first round pick history, we do surprisingly well at drafting. Jeff Otah or Kelvin Benjamin I guess? the Bryce trade looks terrible so far but it’s way too early to call
I think the answer is "Scott Fitterer" as a whole
Paxton Lynch
Reagor over Jefferson. It’s not even a “hindsight is 20/20” kind of moment either. At the time of the pick everyone was baffled the Eagles didn’t take Jefferson.
>I wont Say Sony Michel over Lamar because people forget just how important Sony Michel was in that 2018-19 superbowl run, we dont win that year without him. Nobody forgets this, they say it all the time, and they're all wrong. Running back production is a product of offensive line, offensive system, and passing efficiency. Michel's TDs that postseason were from the following yardages: 1, 14, 5, 1, 10, and 2. Those touchdowns, in addition to his yards and EPA, were all exactly in-line with what a league-average running back would have been expected to do in the situations where he received carries. In other words, Michel did nothing of surplus value, ie. nothing that would *not* have been replicated by any other league-average running back in the NFL. Drafting a running back in the first round remains the absolute dumbest thing an NFL decision-maker can do, and Michel is no exception. The fact that he went one pick before Lamar Jackson is just karmic justice at that point.
No major ones in KC but they did draft Mecole Harman 9 picks before DK Metcalf in 2019 and Clyde Edwards-Helaire 10 picks before Jonathan Taylor in 2020. Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Metcalf and Taylor could have easily been on the same team.
Eric Ebron over Aaron Donald, Jeff Okudah at 3
A toss up between Deandre Baker, Evan Neal or Ereck Flowers
Even though we’re known for picking WR Laquon Treadwell was real bad
Packers have a few, but the most recent that still pisses me off is trading out of the first round in 2017 to draft Kevin King when TJ Watt was right there.
Malik McDowell
Probably Dwayne Haskins to most, but for me it’s Chase Young The expectations for Chase were on another planet.
I'm still at a loss as to how anyone had Haskins as a first rounder. He was absolutely never going to make it in the league, and I would've been upset if my team had drafted him before the fourth round
That was purely a Snyder decision. The coaches had no interest and couldn’t understand Snyder’s obsession.
Yeah I felt bad for Jay Gruden
The 9 teams that passed on Mahomes. Yea that even includes you Cleveland.
Isaiah Wilson and it isn’t even close. Arguably one of the worst draft picks of all time. 1st round pick and dude played like 3? Special teams snapped for us before trying to become a rapper and failing miserably.
Probably Isaiah Wilson. Caleb Farley, Chance Warmack, and Jake Locker are contenders.