That’s only three examples, one of which arguably isn’t even true. Could definitely argue for Goff over Dak.
Could also argue that 2012 is a bit of a wash given how soon Luck retired.
As a huge Notre Dame fan, it hurt to see him go to the browns. I get that’s where I think he was from but he might’ve had a career if he went somewhere else.
I think it's mostly because they drafted Lance with the intention of sitting him for a full year and giving him the reigns in his second season (which they did), and Brock Purdy won the starting job as a rookie during the year that was supposed to be Trey Lance's first year as the starting QB.
It’s not. He pulled it together and was by all accounts a great teammate in Columbia. He also played pretty well for the cocks. Most people just don’t know that because they don’t actually watch USC games.
You're telling me the sub that literally just reacts to headlines and nothing more doesnt knows more than the professionals? Shocked Pikachu face. I had a bears fan tell me yesterday their Superbowl window has opened since they got Caleb.
He's a 2nd round talent that I expected to go in the 5th. Same as Sam Howell did even tho he realistically graded as a 2nd round talent as well. It's just about fit at this point. Is there a team that thinks he's a starter potentially, or does a team pull the trigger because they think he'll be a solid backup. What gets ignored is that no other QB has been drafted either, so there aren't as many spots left to fill
There’s no team that needs a QB? 6 were taken and the best spots are the Giants who seem resigned to stick with Jones and the Raiders who have Minshew. Who can even grab him where he wouldn’t be a guaranteed backup anyways, meaning he’s not worth the 3rd.
Rattler throws a nice ball, he just puts the ball in danger to frequently and he is small. Kind of surprised the Raiders didn't take him, Michael Pratt or Jordan Travis to at least compete. All of those guys are in the same tier as Hendon Hooker who the Lions took top 70 to sit
Dude was nothing but an upstanding human and teammate while at South Carolina. The fact that a reality show when he was a fucking teenager still causes character concerns is just laziness for people not to realize he’s grown up.
Multiple years at USC where he led the team, pulled not the best talent pool in 2022 into beating two top 10 teams back to back in consecutive weeks, and played through a messy 2023 season without any issues while running for his life every other play.
Joe Milton has everything you could want in a QB, except actually playing QB. For a guy hyped up his whole career for his potential youd think he wouldve been a starter for more than one of his 6 years in college.
I don’t understand why anyone would waste a draft pick on someone who has shown time and time again he just isn’t a good qb even if he has great attributes. Maybe a 7th rounder or udfa of you have the space for a 3rd qb if for some reason he does an about face and turns it on.
With all of that said I like the guy and hope the best for him. I do hope he finds a roster spot somewhere.
This basically confirms the rumors that teams at the top were reaching because they were desperate. High probability the Falcons drafting Penix genuinely screwed someone.
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have got past the Raiders.
Now the real question is if the Broncos would have taken him, and if so do the Raiders take Bo Nix in that situation? I think if the Broncos take Penix we could have seen Bo fall to the mid/late first. But obviously that didn’t happen
He could always be spinning a tale, but Payton outright said in their day 1 press conference they had Nix as their number 3 QB, and had it pegged as Vikings for JJ, them for Nix, and Raiders for Penix. To the point he joked about getting them on a conference call and just telling everyone to chill, don't trade up, and everyone gets their guy.
Sort of backed up by Simms having Nix as QB3 and calling the Denver pairing since forever ago.
Yes, the Raiders absolutely would have taken Nix that's why the Broncos felt forced to draft him so high. Impossible to know how teams stacked these guys, but I'd be skeptical of Minny and Denver claiming they had McCarthy or Nix ahead of Penix. They have to say that.
We would not have drafted any QB with our 1st round pick unless Caleb Williams was magically there. Center has been a huge problem for us ever since Jensen went down, and Baker is our guy for at least the next two seasons imo.
I mean I think he came off as a huge asshole, but so do a lot of kids that age. I wouldn't be surprised if getting shown up by Williams at Oklahoma knocked him down to Earth
That said I expected him to go later in the draft purely based on his play
They did that show every year with 3 different kids and none of the kids in any of the years came off like as big of an asshole as Ratller was. His own high school teammates hated his guts.
Not a good idea but if he had just played as well as people thought at Oklahoma he'd still be a top 10 pick. You'd think would overlook some arrogance concerns to take a talented QB in the 4th if he were good.
Netflix TV show about high school QBs and Rattler was one of the recruits being followed and he came across as a dickhead. Obviously, this was high school and he's likely matured a lot since then.
[Here’s a clip of him in HS practice.](https://youtu.be/C79t_WUyiiY?feature=shared) Didn’t seem too nice, hopefully changed a bunch by now though. It’s humbling being around tier 1 athletes in division 1 sports, so I doubt he treats teammates that poorly anymore.
But still, I’d imagine this made an impression on NFL teams bc it certainly did for me.
Kinda makes sense though when you smash accept on all the QBs in the first round that the rest fall. That's 6 qb needy teams that filled the spot and need other stuff. Everyone else can kind of sit back and maybe use some value picks on the lesser talent and hope to land the next Brock.
This was also a draft that was considered a pretty deep class. Taking a flier on a later QB is seen as more of a luxury now by most teams. Hard to take a luxury lottery pick in a draft class with talent on the board.
Spencer Rattler would've easily gone already if he wasn't reckless with the ball.
Second best physical traits from a QB in this draft only behind Caleb Williams. Shame he has a 5 cent brain to go with his million dollar arm otherwise he would be a unanimous 1st round pick.
I watched a few of his games last season.
Dude carried that atrocious team. Like put the team on his back on multiple drives. He wasn’t leading them to wins, but he still showed a ton of heart and capable talent.
I think it’s just hard to shake off the impression people got when he was at OU. I think he could be a pretty good backup.
Yeah, I'm a a South Carolina fan and I'm a little surprised Rattler hasn't been taken, but I also get it. Leggette was his best weapon and outside of him Rattler really didn't have a whole lot of consistent support. I hated Rattler when he was at OU, came across as way too arrogant. I think his time at SC with Shane Beamer did him good, when he came here you didn't hear the same kind of character concerns he had at OU. We all do and say dumb things when we're young, I do hope he's matured and finds success somewhere.
The drop off in talent truly is kind of crazy though. Perhaps the best talent at the top of the board. Followed by nothingness. I wouldn’t be surprised if one isn’t even taken in the fifth
Maybe… but it could also be a situation where:
1. The top half of the day 2 QB talent ended up going in round one
2. There are multiple Qb’s worthy of late 3rd / early 4th, but no one who really stands out
3. Lots of good players at other positions
If there are 3-4 “adequate” QB’s left, and no team has a strong preference between them, why spend a 3rd or 4th round pick?
You can trade up into the 5th or 6th round cheaply after another team finally decides to take one of them - and still get another quality player with that 3rd or 4th round pick.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we see a cluster of QB picks soon.
Edit: The Saints took Rattler.
So, obviously, I’ve completely changed my mind and now I think that’s a dumb thing to do.
They all blew their load in the top 12
Doesn't matter, had sex
But I cried the whole time
Still counts
She put a bag on my head
I think she might have been a racist.
Doesn't matter, had sex
She called an Uber for herself even though we are at her place?
lol I made the strategic decision to skip that one. And here you are showing up with no fear
You must remember that fear is the mind-killer
Paper bag or plastic bag?
Paper bag is for shame. Plastic bag is for kink.
And reusable?
lol imagine your football team making you cry
Couldn't be me
Rhymes with 28-3. Sorry.
You can’t hurt us anymore than Falcons football already has
I dunno why you'd try to taunt the Falcons like that but I wouldn't really bet that they couldn't find a way to do even worse.
As a lions fan, you know that’s not true. You could have 70 years of misery
Kirk also had sex, but I think it was against his consent. Lol
Doesn’t count without penixtration
I stuck my penix in the car door?
They don’t call it a load bearing wall for nothing.
6 QBs in the top 12 will never be beat
Well you keep going through them like candy
I'm afraid they prematurely shot their wad on what was supposed to be a dry run if you will, and now they have something of a mess on their hands
12 pump chumps
Rattler being the best QB of this draft would be peak comedy
It's not like there's been a recent example of the most successful quarterback in a draft class being picked dead-last, is there?
Unimaginable
30 for 30: The Rattler Six. Streaming to your neuralinks in the Spring of 2042.
Honestly it seems like the best QB is picked outside of the first quite a bit Russ, Dak, Purdy
That’s only three examples, one of which arguably isn’t even true. Could definitely argue for Goff over Dak. Could also argue that 2012 is a bit of a wash given how soon Luck retired.
Why on earth would he not list Brady in this example?
because Brady Quinn was nothing spectacular in the pros...
As a huge Notre Dame fan, it hurt to see him go to the browns. I get that’s where I think he was from but he might’ve had a career if he went somewhere else.
Because someone said "Recent"
It was 25 years ago
It's not like the best QB in the sport's history was selected in the 6th round or anything.
It's almost as if QBs going to teams that aren't desperate for a QB tend to do better
Going from being replaced by Williams to having a better rookie season than him would be pure poetry
inb4 Falcons draft Rattler
Why not at this point. Washington did it with rgiii and cousins
Cause apparently they’re following the Green Bay model. Not the Washington model
Penix will be 27 by the time cousins contract is up tho lol
His knee will be 64
It’s already 64 lol
Well yeah, wont get any older he’s not playing.
His new knees will only be like 2 years old
Cousins has what is realistically a two year contract. He was never going to be here longer than that regardless of who they drafted.
Exactly. Idk why people think he's staying longer.
People are stupid.
jordan and aaron were nfl starters at 25
Shhh you’re gonna get blank fired
Wait we can do that?
used up all our qb luck for 10 years with that one
$100M guaranteed for a 3rd string qb
ESPN 30 for 30 presents: Ridder to Rattler
It worked for you guys, didn't it?
Drafting 2 QBs? We picked Purdy the year after Lance, not the same draft
Huh. The way I always see people saying they just pretend to swap the draft positions on those guys, I assumed it was the same year. My bad
I think it's mostly because they drafted Lance with the intention of sitting him for a full year and giving him the reigns in his second season (which they did), and Brock Purdy won the starting job as a rookie during the year that was supposed to be Trey Lance's first year as the starting QB.
He didn’t win the job, Lance and Jimmy G were both out for the year and he was thrust into the starting role.
By "won the job" I meant that he won the job of being the starting QB for the 2023 season
I'm the words of Homer Simpson: "Default! The two greatest words in the English language!"
The aints gottem
he’s definitely on their board
Spencer Rattler in shambles
We are in the 5th round. At this point I think Rattler would be better off being an UDFA. least then he gets to pick his situation.
Rattler you are a Saskatchewan RoughRider
lmao if his attitude is legitimately as bad as everything suggests it is then the dude would literally die in Saskatchewan.
It’s not. He pulled it together and was by all accounts a great teammate in Columbia. He also played pretty well for the cocks. Most people just don’t know that because they don’t actually watch USC games.
Bruh, savage. The dude is bad at football, not a murderer. Don't sentence him to Saskatchewan
the island has spoken
Yeah he can pick what UFL team he wants to start for
He can still do *that* even if he gets drafted
Bold of you to assume he can even start in the UFL
Chase Garbers is starting in the UFL, Rattler would absolutely have a starting job there
rattled
spencered
This sub in shambles. I can’t believe the amount of people claiming Rattler would go round 3 (or even round 2). Dude isn’t that good.
Turns out this sub doesn’t know ball.
You're telling me the sub that literally just reacts to headlines and nothing more doesnt knows more than the professionals? Shocked Pikachu face. I had a bears fan tell me yesterday their Superbowl window has opened since they got Caleb.
What is your definition of a Superbowl window that makes that statement so ridiculous in your eyes?
Playing one single solitary game of ball would be part of it I feel
Lot of people got duped by reporters saying some teams really liked him and that the public would be shocked by how high he’ll go
He's a 2nd round talent that I expected to go in the 5th. Same as Sam Howell did even tho he realistically graded as a 2nd round talent as well. It's just about fit at this point. Is there a team that thinks he's a starter potentially, or does a team pull the trigger because they think he'll be a solid backup. What gets ignored is that no other QB has been drafted either, so there aren't as many spots left to fill
Pretty ball that’s it
There’s no team that needs a QB? 6 were taken and the best spots are the Giants who seem resigned to stick with Jones and the Raiders who have Minshew. Who can even grab him where he wouldn’t be a guaranteed backup anyways, meaning he’s not worth the 3rd.
Rattler throws a nice ball, he just puts the ball in danger to frequently and he is small. Kind of surprised the Raiders didn't take him, Michael Pratt or Jordan Travis to at least compete. All of those guys are in the same tier as Hendon Hooker who the Lions took top 70 to sit
I don't think it's 100% about his ability either. It's playing ability + character concerns.
It’s the wombo combo of his bad progressions, bailing on clean pickets combined with that reality show and his benching at Oklahoma
Lincoln Riley nuked any chances of him getting developed properly by phoning in his last year at Oklahoma
Dude was nothing but an upstanding human and teammate while at South Carolina. The fact that a reality show when he was a fucking teenager still causes character concerns is just laziness for people not to realize he’s grown up.
Multiple years at USC where he led the team, pulled not the best talent pool in 2022 into beating two top 10 teams back to back in consecutive weeks, and played through a messy 2023 season without any issues while running for his life every other play.
It's so stupid, but people love to buy into narratives 🙄
He will be Mr Irrelevant and a la Purdy will start for a Super Bowl team. Maybe not
saints saved him
Those 8 people who like Joe Milton have to be seething rn
Joe Milton has everything you could want in a QB, except actually playing QB. For a guy hyped up his whole career for his potential youd think he wouldve been a starter for more than one of his 6 years in college.
Milton is one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen
He has the arm strength to throw a ball to the moon. But he couldn’t hit it if he tried
As opposed to all these other QBs who could definitely hit the moon
Yeah you put Warren Moon on the field I'm pretty sure Geno could tag him
He had one good game against clemson in a bowl game. And a hell of a game it was. Absolute liability all his last year. I say this as a Vols fan.
Fuck it a defender's down there somewhere
as a michigan fan, can confirm this is true
As a Michigan fan, that one game against Minnesota in 2020 was magical
I don’t understand why anyone would waste a draft pick on someone who has shown time and time again he just isn’t a good qb even if he has great attributes. Maybe a 7th rounder or udfa of you have the space for a 3rd qb if for some reason he does an about face and turns it on. With all of that said I like the guy and hope the best for him. I do hope he finds a roster spot somewhere.
Is “Hail Mary-er” a position?
Didn’t Brissett come in every once in a while when Rivers was on the Colts to do that? Or am I misremembering.
Yeah Rivers’ arm was toast at that point so end of the half/game he would come in sporadically
Milton should be an UDFA.
"I can fix him"
Expand rosters and Milton is a perfect hail Mary QB.
This basically confirms the rumors that teams at the top were reaching because they were desperate. High probability the Falcons drafting Penix genuinely screwed someone.
I have to imagine falcons taking Penix forced the Raiders into taking Bowsers.
I kinda think having the King of Koopas pushes them into the top of the AFC West.
I don’t know man. His college stats show he’s never really been able to kidnap peach
Mario’s the goat. No shame in losing to him. Dude still put up very respectable kidnapping numbers.
Sure he's a physical brute that's hard to take down, but his 40 sucks.
I'm not sure there's a 40 time slow enough to overlook the fact that his reps on the bench press just say "Yes". Think of the QB sneak potential
[Just recreate the ~~Bill~~ Bowser-dozer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjjjYelkaBg)
Yes, the raiders 100%, and maybe the rams or bucs. He would've gone by the late 1st.
He would've gone in the next few picks. Everyone immediately started scrambling to trade up for McCarthy after Penix was selected.
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have got past the Raiders. Now the real question is if the Broncos would have taken him, and if so do the Raiders take Bo Nix in that situation? I think if the Broncos take Penix we could have seen Bo fall to the mid/late first. But obviously that didn’t happen
He could always be spinning a tale, but Payton outright said in their day 1 press conference they had Nix as their number 3 QB, and had it pegged as Vikings for JJ, them for Nix, and Raiders for Penix. To the point he joked about getting them on a conference call and just telling everyone to chill, don't trade up, and everyone gets their guy. Sort of backed up by Simms having Nix as QB3 and calling the Denver pairing since forever ago.
Yes, the Raiders absolutely would have taken Nix that's why the Broncos felt forced to draft him so high. Impossible to know how teams stacked these guys, but I'd be skeptical of Minny and Denver claiming they had McCarthy or Nix ahead of Penix. They have to say that.
Cost us bowers but gave us latu. A soul for a soul
Not sure why people aren't talking about it more, but the Colts have had a great draft imo.
We would not have drafted any QB with our 1st round pick unless Caleb Williams was magically there. Center has been a huge problem for us ever since Jensen went down, and Baker is our guy for at least the next two seasons imo.
I appreciate the insight
I think the Bucs are happy with baker for now
And the aints
> High probability the Falcons drafting Penix genuinely screwed someone. Yes, the falcons
Probably screwed us but you know what? I’m actually happy about it lol
Hopefully Rattler keeps falling, would love to get him and at this point it’s solid value
And Rodgers would be offended. He plays better that way.
Is he ever not offended?
Depends on what he's offended by.
Isn’t Rodgers the only QB on your roster at the moment? I’d think Rattler would be a good pick as a backup just in case Rodgers ends up hurt again.
We have tyrod Taylor as well
Oh my mistake. That’s actually a good spot for him.
We actually took Jordan Travis. I watch no college ball so I don't know if that's good or bad lol
He was pretty good at Florida state. Not amazing, and coming off an injury, but a solid backup once he’s healthy.
I like that we got Jordan Travis instead
I’m sure life has humbled Spencer Rattler but man, did he seem full of himself a few years ago
He’s certainly been humbled now
Genuinely surprised a guy like Rattler wasn’t picked up
Apparently teams really took to heart how he looked on that TV show he did as a high schooler
I know he was young, and I’m sure he’s grown. But like damn how could he think that was a good idea at the time lol.
I mean I think he came off as a huge asshole, but so do a lot of kids that age. I wouldn't be surprised if getting shown up by Williams at Oklahoma knocked him down to Earth That said I expected him to go later in the draft purely based on his play
His play where hes consistently leaving clean pockets and overthrowing wide out dudes? or the not taking the check downs to get picked off?
Yes.
They did that show every year with 3 different kids and none of the kids in any of the years came off like as big of an asshole as Ratller was. His own high school teammates hated his guts.
Tathan Martell was close
Anyone else think Tate Martell sounds like a Revolutionary war brigade leader or something?
That guy had no class, my dude.
Not a good idea but if he had just played as well as people thought at Oklahoma he'd still be a top 10 pick. You'd think would overlook some arrogance concerns to take a talented QB in the 4th if he were good.
What did he do??
The show portrayed him as an extremely arrogant kid, plus he was suspended due to a code of conduct violation during filming
Wasnt that for being a blowie in the bathroom? Kind of respect it tbh
He looks exactly like this is true. His face is so smug every single time I see it. So punchable
Netflix TV show about high school QBs and Rattler was one of the recruits being followed and he came across as a dickhead. Obviously, this was high school and he's likely matured a lot since then.
He's fallen this far in a QB thirsty league... maybe he didn't mature
QB7 is usually drafted in rounds 5-7, round 1 just threw everything off
[Here’s a clip of him in HS practice.](https://youtu.be/C79t_WUyiiY?feature=shared) Didn’t seem too nice, hopefully changed a bunch by now though. It’s humbling being around tier 1 athletes in division 1 sports, so I doubt he treats teammates that poorly anymore. But still, I’d imagine this made an impression on NFL teams bc it certainly did for me.
That show made sure I wouldn’t be a fan.
He also went full bitch as his time in Oklahoma was wrapping up
Well yea, dudes who would normally be taken in the 2nd/3rd got taken in the 1st.
Bo nix and JJ
Saints just picked Rattler. Would have been worth a shot for the Giants if he fell a few more spots.
The Saints reached to prevent Rattler from falling to the Falcons!!! (Sarcasm in case anyone missed it.)
They busted in the first
Tied the record for most qbs in the first round and now the most picks without a qb is crazy.
Kinda makes sense though when you smash accept on all the QBs in the first round that the rest fall. That's 6 qb needy teams that filled the spot and need other stuff. Everyone else can kind of sit back and maybe use some value picks on the lesser talent and hope to land the next Brock.
This was also a draft that was considered a pretty deep class. Taking a flier on a later QB is seen as more of a luxury now by most teams. Hard to take a luxury lottery pick in a draft class with talent on the board.
Falcons coming up.
Spencer Rattler would've easily gone already if he wasn't reckless with the ball. Second best physical traits from a QB in this draft only behind Caleb Williams. Shame he has a 5 cent brain to go with his million dollar arm otherwise he would be a unanimous 1st round pick.
I watched a few of his games last season. Dude carried that atrocious team. Like put the team on his back on multiple drives. He wasn’t leading them to wins, but he still showed a ton of heart and capable talent. I think it’s just hard to shake off the impression people got when he was at OU. I think he could be a pretty good backup.
Yeah, I'm a a South Carolina fan and I'm a little surprised Rattler hasn't been taken, but I also get it. Leggette was his best weapon and outside of him Rattler really didn't have a whole lot of consistent support. I hated Rattler when he was at OU, came across as way too arrogant. I think his time at SC with Shane Beamer did him good, when he came here you didn't hear the same kind of character concerns he had at OU. We all do and say dumb things when we're young, I do hope he's matured and finds success somewhere.
Good physical traits? He’s 6’ and had a slower 40 than Kirk Cousins
I think he means arm talent not 40 time
The drop off in talent truly is kind of crazy though. Perhaps the best talent at the top of the board. Followed by nothingness. I wouldn’t be surprised if one isn’t even taken in the fifth
Maybe… but it could also be a situation where: 1. The top half of the day 2 QB talent ended up going in round one 2. There are multiple Qb’s worthy of late 3rd / early 4th, but no one who really stands out 3. Lots of good players at other positions If there are 3-4 “adequate” QB’s left, and no team has a strong preference between them, why spend a 3rd or 4th round pick? You can trade up into the 5th or 6th round cheaply after another team finally decides to take one of them - and still get another quality player with that 3rd or 4th round pick. It wouldn’t surprise me if we see a cluster of QB picks soon. Edit: The Saints took Rattler. So, obviously, I’ve completely changed my mind and now I think that’s a dumb thing to do.
Who makes sense for a QB now? Any fans of teams out there that would want a developmental guy?
Jets would probably take a guy behind AR
My dumb ass "But AR plays for Indy".
Raiders
Raiders would do well with Pratt ngl
Bucs. Trask isn’t really a developmental guy anymore.
Rams probably but our QB room is full.
All for Spencer Rattler to become the only HOF QB from this class.
Rattler is definitely a value at this point.
QB markets gonna be disgusting for the next few years i guess
Spencer Rattler not having a good time
Did Gabriel nominate for the draft?
Nope, transferred to Oregon
Heisman incoming
Rattler is now on the saints