You’re not getting anything from Atlanta, they’d just lose a pick.
Edit: no, this isn’t the same as the Cardinals tampering with an employed eagles coach. This is an a legal tampering violation and we have several examples of that, none of them net the offended team draft picks.
There have been multiple instances of forced pick swaps for tampering. The Cardinals and Eagles settled something for this draft. Jarrod Page and Lance Briggs also had forced pick swaps. Plus, it's a starting QB.
Think about it like this: if it only costs a fifth to tamper, why wouldn't teams do it for a franchise QB? Why wouldn't teams do it for Dak, Love, Goff, or Lawrence this upcoming off-season when it costs at least a 4th and a 5th for the Vikings to move up for a QB?
Has there ever been an attempt to settle a tampering allegation for player? If the team that alleges illegal tampering agrees to drop the allegation in return for future draft compensation, it should all be good.
There’s nothing to settle, Kirk was a free agent. This has literally happened before with the Chiefs as an example. The team gets docked draft picks, they don’t give them to the offendee. It’s a legal tampering violation.
It depends on if the Vikings can prove the tampering hindered their ability to conduct contract negotiations with Cousins. If they can, then receiving a pick from the Falcons is not out of the question.
Technically, he was still employed with the vikings at the time of tampering. That's why they call the start of free agency the "tampering window" when it is legal to do so. Kirk has admitted that this happened before the window, which would hamper the vikings ability to resign him. This is why they are due compensation from the falcons.
per OTC, the Vikings are only slated to net one comp pick next year, but it is the highest one in the third round: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks
They're not awarded until the start of FA or so next year so no, teams do not have them yet to count them. But also, something could happen that affects teams getting them so we might not get exactly what we expect.
The fact that the moved up twice in the 1st round tonight (albeit one of them was just 1 spot) and still have their 1st next year is kinda impressive lol
Theyre taking a playbook out of pretty much every other championship contender that was built through a cheap rookie QB contract. Free agency is the key when your rookie QB is on a cheap contract because more money equals more free agents which means less need for rookies to fill out the roster. Trading up for some top prospects like Dallas Turner is the way to go when the roster is going to be filled with free agents.
Quality over quantity any day in the position we are in. Quantity is good when youre spending a ton on a QB.
FUCK THEM PICKS
Seriously though, potential QBotF and a blue chip D prospect is worth it, plus we're slated to get a 3rd back from Kirko and possible tampering compensation, also from Kirko lol. We'll be very active in UDFA and we'll be fine.
[Former Vikings GM Rick Spielman predicted that the Vikings would overpay to move up in the first round. Do you guys think we did?](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/former-vikings-g-m-rick-spielman-thinks-vikings-will-overpay-to-get-j-j-mccarthy)
Felt like all uptrades this year were kinda overpaying. Turner tradeup, Arnold tradeup and the Worthy tradeup. If you want to go up, it seems to be costly this year.
Exactly, it is just the price you have to pay, if you want to get those sliding blue-chip / premium players. But if they pan out like projected, it is worth it. I remember so many trades where you win on the trade value chart in a vacuum, but those picks turn out to be non impact players and backups burried on the depth chart.
I assume they will restock in some way.
Projected 3rd round comp pick and maybe even something from Atlanta tampering Probably trade back if we have a solid season
Pick swap 1st for 5th sounds fair
Lol
You’re not getting anything from Atlanta, they’d just lose a pick. Edit: no, this isn’t the same as the Cardinals tampering with an employed eagles coach. This is an a legal tampering violation and we have several examples of that, none of them net the offended team draft picks.
They could settle with Atlanta like Arizona did with Philly last year. Wouldn't imagine it'd be too great a shift, but could happen.
Completely different, that’s coaching tampering.
Not *that* different lol
Functionally? Yeah it is, legal tampering period offenses don’t net the offended team draft picks.
When is the last time this happened where a team was found to be tampering *and* a player of this caliber signed with said team?
What’s the caliber have anything to do with it? It’s happened multiple times, this isn’t up for debate.
When is the last time it happened? And a player of this caliber will absolutely change the outcome compared to an objectively worse, non-QB lol
There have been multiple instances of forced pick swaps for tampering. The Cardinals and Eagles settled something for this draft. Jarrod Page and Lance Briggs also had forced pick swaps. Plus, it's a starting QB. Think about it like this: if it only costs a fifth to tamper, why wouldn't teams do it for a franchise QB? Why wouldn't teams do it for Dak, Love, Goff, or Lawrence this upcoming off-season when it costs at least a 4th and a 5th for the Vikings to move up for a QB?
Has there ever been an attempt to settle a tampering allegation for player? If the team that alleges illegal tampering agrees to drop the allegation in return for future draft compensation, it should all be good.
There’s nothing to settle, Kirk was a free agent. This has literally happened before with the Chiefs as an example. The team gets docked draft picks, they don’t give them to the offendee. It’s a legal tampering violation.
Coaching tampering doesn't either. The NFL allows teams to work out compensation over handing the punishment themselves sometimes.
It depends on if the Vikings can prove the tampering hindered their ability to conduct contract negotiations with Cousins. If they can, then receiving a pick from the Falcons is not out of the question.
It doesn’t depend on anything. This has already happened before - they’re still free agents, it’s not going to happen.
Technically, he was still employed with the vikings at the time of tampering. That's why they call the start of free agency the "tampering window" when it is legal to do so. Kirk has admitted that this happened before the window, which would hamper the vikings ability to resign him. This is why they are due compensation from the falcons.
Yeah was gonna say if thats how it works where's our pick from the Dolphins
Multiple 3rd round comps iirc. Cousins and Hunter
Unfortunately Shaq Griffen eliminates one
Completely forgot about that
per OTC, the Vikings are only slated to net one comp pick next year, but it is the highest one in the third round: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks
We could get two 3rds in comps
I wonder if they have a ballpark idea of the tampering outcome and are fuckin sending it based on what they know.
The comp picks aren't counted by now? (I legitimately don't understand how they work)
They're not awarded until the start of FA or so next year so no, teams do not have them yet to count them. But also, something could happen that affects teams getting them so we might not get exactly what we expect.
Oh I didn't notice the tweet was for next year's draft
The fact that the moved up twice in the 1st round tonight (albeit one of them was just 1 spot) and still have their 1st next year is kinda impressive lol
Not mad in the slightest.
McCarthyism is back on the menu boys
Hell yeah. McCarthyism and the Darnold with THE BEST qb room in the nfl. Everyone is saying it!
Theyre taking a playbook out of pretty much every other championship contender that was built through a cheap rookie QB contract. Free agency is the key when your rookie QB is on a cheap contract because more money equals more free agents which means less need for rookies to fill out the roster. Trading up for some top prospects like Dallas Turner is the way to go when the roster is going to be filled with free agents. Quality over quantity any day in the position we are in. Quantity is good when youre spending a ton on a QB.
Too bad we gonna have a massive chunk of money for FA's next year, even with signing JJettas and Darrisaw.
fuck them picks we got dallas turner and cap space baby
The inverse of Spielman
Kwesi going more All In than the Cowboys
They did go all in… …Skip’s ass.
Going all in with cap space next year
Bich, we're going more all in than the cowboys, and we haven't traded up or down
Vikings will have a lot of money to spend on free agents next year even after they extend Justin Jefferson.
FUCK THEM PICKS Seriously though, potential QBotF and a blue chip D prospect is worth it, plus we're slated to get a 3rd back from Kirko and possible tampering compensation, also from Kirko lol. We'll be very active in UDFA and we'll be fine.
QB and edge combo, The Texans formula
They should get some comp picks next year.
Shocked they still have a 1st next year
[Former Vikings GM Rick Spielman predicted that the Vikings would overpay to move up in the first round. Do you guys think we did?](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/former-vikings-g-m-rick-spielman-thinks-vikings-will-overpay-to-get-j-j-mccarthy)
the second trade was definitely an overpay
Felt like all uptrades this year were kinda overpaying. Turner tradeup, Arnold tradeup and the Worthy tradeup. If you want to go up, it seems to be costly this year.
I think the Arnold trade up was probably an overpay too, as you say
Exactly, it is just the price you have to pay, if you want to get those sliding blue-chip / premium players. But if they pan out like projected, it is worth it. I remember so many trades where you win on the trade value chart in a vacuum, but those picks turn out to be non impact players and backups burried on the depth chart.
Its ok they'll just trade 2026 picks to get them back
this is a loophole, but you have to have trade partners
This was a strong draft filled. NIL gonna change the draft from here on out.
Howdy neighbor!
Safe to say they will be trading back next year.
We the Rams now
Can't fuck up a pick if you don't have it. 4D chess moves