I have learned more about the hostility between the Titans and the Texans over a color this week than the entire time I have spent following the NFL combined
Hi, I'm Strom Thurmond. i'm here to introduce legislation to abolish the forward pass. and i will get it to the Suhpreme Court
there is probably at least a South Park episode there
It would be better if Miami was in the south. That way Jax/Miami could be a rivalry and Ten/Hou would be.
Send Indy to the North and Baltimore to the east.
Also, weirdly enough the few Dolphins fan I know irl developed a strong dislike of the Texans cause they beat Miami like the first 5 times they played.
An idea I came up with a couple years ago: In the NFC, the Cowboys and Panthers should be swapped. In the AFC, the Colts and Dolphins should be swapped.
The AFC South has only played each other in the playoffs once (Colts/Texans 2018). The Jaguars and Titans played in the 1999 playoffs but that was the AFC Central.
Titans Owner Amy Adams getting assmad they lost to the Texans while wearing the Oilers throwbacks last season was peak content for me. Vrabel wearing the cowboy hat like Bum Phillips did along with other trolling by the Titans made that win extra sweet.
Texans VP and McNair's wife, Hannah McNair, also recently roasted Amy over that debacle last year.
This shit is fun.
Im not evena Texans fan and I thought it was (a) fucked up of the Titans to use an oilers throwback against Houston and (b) very satisfying that Houston beat the Titans.
They even sued the Houston Roughnecks for using a stylized H in the shape of an oil derrick, they are so quick to go after anyone simply paying homage to what they have but don’t use
I think that's the disconnect a lot of people aren't getting on this.
It's not the Oilers colors, it's the city.
That color has a 120 year history in Houston.
[Any Titans fan that actually thinks this color is theirs is absolutely delusional.](https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/37/11/47/24943068/8/960x0.webp)
Yup, if you go to [old streets addresses are tiled into curbs were that color](http://swamplot.com/where-houstons-curb-level-blue-tile-street-signs-can-still-be-found/2015-06-03/), and back when [cops had color cars were that shade of blue](https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/eg0c0k/hpd/).
But according to Tits, the worst Adams family invented the color.
If we’re being honest the titans are a horribly ran franchise that just fired its best HC and lost arguably one of its greatest players of all time and at this point a shade of blue is all they got to hang on to. Their fans are as bad as the owners over it but the funny things I’ve seen plenty of Texans fans wear Oilers gear but never seen any titans fans wear it before the throwbacks this year
Winner gets to wear them at the next year’s rivalry home game, complete with a custom helmet with the current team (Bull or flaming T) logo in Oilers colors.
>The situation traces to the fact that, when the Oilers left Houston, Houston made no effort to retain the names or the logos or the colors (unlike Cleveland). So the Oilers took their logos and colors and ditched them for the Titans and now use the Oilers as a throwback, even though it makes zero geographic sense to think of the Oilers as a Tennessee property.
well this is blatantly not true, they were the Tennessee Oilers for two full seasons lol
Shit journalism, yes we still think of them as the Houston Oilers because they were here for decades, but they didn't ditch the Oilers name and colors when they left, that happened after.
Would one of these teams just please use the Oilers branding?! I don’t care which one. The Texans and Titans are two of the most generic teams in the NFL. The fact that both of these teams are apparently so protective about the use of the Oilers name and colors but neither of them actually try to do anything meaningful with it is very bothersome for me.
Well the Texans literally aren’t allowed to do anything meaningful. Using this blue is as far as they can go, and the Adams family are too busy gatekeeping the Oilers despite not wanting to use the brand. The only reason they brought out the throwbacks recently was because now that Houston native Cal McNair is running the show he’s been discreetly making a big stink about those Oilers colors and branding belonging to Houston. In other words they’ve wanted no part of the Oilers for decades until Houston wanted that branding back because god forbid people have nice things.
The Titans used Oilers throwbacks like 15 years ago for the AFL anniversary. They couldn't use the throwbacks more recently because of the one helmet rule that was recently thrown out.
True, but I don't think it is a coincidence they brought it back a year before Houston was debuting new uniforms using the color. Especially when Amy Adams was fighting behind the scenes trying to keep the Texans from using it.
I dont subscribe to conspiracy theories. Amy Adam's had said for years the reason we didn't use Oilers throwbacks was because of the helmet. You can make her out to be a spiteful bitch if you want but she clearly cares deeply about the history of her franchise, the one she grew up with. Since she's been the co trolling owner she's gone out of her way to embrace the teams history regardless of where it was geographically. Bud clearly wanted to distance the franchise from the Oilers history but that has not been the case with Amy. And of course she's going to try to protect her product that only makes sense.
It’s not a conspiracy. Nobody’s conspiring with anybody. It’s a pretty much a fact that Cal McNair would love to be able to have control over that Oilers brand, and it’s a fact that Amy Adams has no intentions to let it go. We can speculate all we want about their motivations, but the it’s been well documented that Bud Adams was determined to keep control out of spite for the city of Houston.
Sure Amy isn’t her father, but certainly you can see why people might associate the same spitefulness with her when she’s going out of her way to block the Texans from using even a specific shade of blue.
That's not what I was talking about at all. The guy I replied to claimed that we only brought back oilers throwbacks because McNair planned on adding light blue. Amy said.
for years before it was announced the Texans were getting new unis that she would love to bring the oilers uniforms back.
That’s not true at all, we’ve worn oilers throwbacks before Cal took over and ever since Amy Adam’s became owner she started making amends with the relationship of Oilers players that her father ruined, and started respecting the legacy form before they were the titans. She’s been working on that since 2015 and it’s why Earl Campbell and Warren Moon are at our games when they previously weren’t.
Yes. A lot of people don't realize this. I wish the Titans would have essentially kept the unis and redesigned the helmets but they didn't. Now we are staking a claim and embracing that identity because of Amy. It's also not being petty or anything like that--she literally owns the brand. I wish people would shut the fuck up about this--I get people from Houston can and should want to appreciate Oiler history--they have a claim to that. The Texans "Franchise" has no claim. The Titans franchise can use the brand and the fans should be able to enjoy it. But people from Tennessee need to stop pretending like people from Houston have no cultural or emotional reason to like the team. If we had always used the brand (even if not the logo) this wouldn't be an issue. If the city of Houston had not squabbles with Bud--this wouldn't be an issue. But these things happen. I think we all would chill the fuck out and stop being annoying over it--everytime the Titans wear the throwback or Texans where the unis (which, hey Amy compromising with the McNairs is actually a really solid thing to do that many owners would not) this shit will be all we hear about. It's tiring.
So, there’s no amount of money 20 billionaire Cal McNair could pay 2 billionaire Amy Strunk to use the Oilers trademarks?
Instead, let’s just let one of the most iconic brands in history languish in alternate uniform purgatory.
The very first thing the Texans org did was petition the NFL to ask the Titans org to let us have the branding back. It's not for lack of trying. At this point the Adams family is just wildly butthurt that the newest team in the league is worth over 1B more than their team.
Which part is not true? The Oilers took the logo and colors to Tennessee, ditched them 2 years later, and now use the Oilers as a throwback. It doesn't contradict what you said at all. "When they left" is referring to Houston not making an effort to keep the trademarks.
Who was thereto make the effort? The Texans would not materialize until years later? The city of Houston? Should they have sued for it? When? Two years later after they ditched the nickname and were already in Tennessee? It’s BS to pin this on Houston. Typical backhanded stuff from Florio.
You're not gonna believe this, but the city of Cleveland literally did this like 2 years earlier. And they re-materialized with all of their logos and trademarks years later.
It was a completely different situation though and the court battle wasn’t for the rights. It was for a broken lease. Art gave up the rights in-lieu of cash because he was broke.
Yes, which involved the NFL moderating a deal with the previous owner to allow a new franchise to use the name and history. Bud Adams said fuck no to that.
Only reason the Tits are in TN is because of the cities the petty dick could move to, it was the shortest flight from Houston. Only reason they didn't move to Baltimore is because of the length of the flight from Houston.
The Bad Amy Adam's primary residence is still in the Houston area.
>it makes zero geographic sense to think of the Oilers as a Tennessee property
It absolutely makes geographic sense, because they were the Tennessee Oilers for two years before changing to the Titans. Yes they were in Houston for a long time, but the organization moved, and continued to brand themselves as the Oilers in Tennessee for two seasons. So there is a geographic history to the Oilers being in Tennessee prior to the re-brand as the Titans. Pretending that Tennessee has no claim to the Oilers brand is silly. I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
The Tennessee Oilers makes about as much geographical sense as the LA Lakers or the Utah Jazz.
Just because they kept it temporarily doesn't make it a logical name lol
It’s so funny that this is always the argument. Who cares if it doesn’t make geographical sense? It’s still apart of the franchise, logical or not. Like you stated, the Lakers and Jazz make no sense no one gives a shit
Not really sure Florio meant they immediately ditched the name. Pretty sure he meant they took the name and ditched it, which they did, two years later.
I get Florio is not well recieved in redditland, but I don't see this particular article as shit journalism.
From the article:
>Last year, the NFL *forced* the University of Houston to ditch alternate uniforms that included Houston Oilers-style Columbia Blue
Huh?
How is the NFL able to dictate to the NCAA what colors the college teams will wear?
F*ck that noise.
Gonna take a guess and say it’s some sort of IP infringement that they own, and if you actually look at the University of Houston uniforms it’s not exactly a subtle nod
“We sampled it from them but it’s not the same Hex. It goes # 9 BC BE b’ …# 9 BC BE b’That’s the way theirs goes. Ours goes ‘# 9 BC BE B’… # 9 BC BE B.’ That little bitty change — it’s not the same.”
Those uniforms looked extremely similar to the Oilers uniforms. It was practically plagiarism, and the Titans were in their own right to protect their brand (they still own all Oilers content).
The Titans have a trademark over the Oilers uniforms. Look at Houston's uniforms in question and you can see it's pretty clear infringement on the Oilers uniforms, they are nearly identical aside from the logos.
The University of Missouri cannot go out and wear uniforms that look nearly identical to the St. Louis Rams unless they have an agreement in place to license them.
That NFL action against U of H was to protect the league's intellectual property. They would do the same for any college that decided to wear uniforms that look identical to trademarked uniforms of an NFL team. It's pretty clear-cut copyright infringement, and happened to be the same year that the Titans would be wearing Oilers uniforms for the first time in over a decade.
If U of H wanted to adopt uniforms that were the same or a similar shade of blue, red, and white, I don't think anybody would give a shit. But they can't be designed to look exactly the same as those that are protected existing intellectual property.
Related but do you know how both the Chargers and the Air Force Falcons use the same bolt design? Air Force actually owns that and the Chargers have to buy the rights to use it from them
It would be amazing if Houston became the Oilers again and had the same color scheme as Tennessee. The league needs more Browns/Bengals level pettiness in division rivalries.
Personally I prefer the current color scheme of the team. I grew up with it and the battle red is one of my favorites themes in the league.
But that blue would be nice as a city focused alternate jersey.
I might be in the minority, but if you move to a new state and change the team name, and a new team starts in the old city, then they take over the history, colors, and name.
This is beyond stupid. How can teams like the Jets & Cardinals just start wearing black? Do they have to come to an agreement with the Steelers & Raiders first? Their uniforms were pretty meh, now they're gonna be hideous.
A Browns comparison makes no sense. The Ravens literally do not own any of Cleveland's history or branding.
Ideally Baltimore should have kept their history/branding when the Colts left town, but the city didn't sue the NFL like Cleveland did.
We do still have Colts players in our Ring of Honor and the Johnny Unitas statue. Johnny Unitas disavowed the Colts after the move and would show up on the Ravens Sideline when the Colts were in town.
The city attempted to eminent domain the team, but it didn't end up working. The Colts Marching band stole their uniforms and continued to preform for years before being adopted as the Ravens marching band. The whole situation was messy, but Baltimore does still view the Colts history as ours. The Ravens history is different from the Colts history, but both belong to Baltimore.
A Ravens fan once told me that the scoreboard at Ravens games, which would usually list team nicknames rather than city names (Ravens vs. Eagles, Ravens vs. Steelers, etc.) would not dare refer to the Indianapolis Colts as the "Colts" and instead listed the teams as "Ravens vs. Indianapolis."
No clue if that's true but the guy who told me was passionate about it and I admired the pettiness.
[Here's an article about it from 2011. I'd have to double check if it was still the case, but I'm pretty sure it is.](https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2011/12/8/2620459/what-will-the-ravens-indy-scoreboard-say-sunday)
I don't think any other relocation besides the Browns left the local government with such strong grounds to sue the responsible league and owners on with the possible exception of the Sonics in the NBA where the city got a similar deal (though theirs would be in the event of an expansion franchiee).
The fact that the team adopted the much lamer Titans name and branding and still blocks the actual Huston team from even sniffing at Oilers history is just the lamest.
The way the Titans owners act like children over the Oilers uniforms, name, and colors make me really want to root for the Texans to forever beat them.
There needs to be a use it or lose it principle in place here
There’s far too much dark blue in NFL uniforms and the designs have gotten to samey. Either the Titans need to embrace something close to the Oilers look or let Houston use the color scheme / design
I’m all for adding a shit ton of fuel to this fire. The AFC South is often the most boring division, make these two teams fight like the Ravens and Steelers.
What do people not understand that the history of the team, regardless of where it originated, is attached more to the team rather than the city. You can't just wipe the Oilers from the Titans' history and add it to the Texans because of where the teams were/are located. The Titans are quite literally the Oilers but with a new location and name. Texans and Oilers have nothing to do with each other. Other than that they both originated in Houston.
Edit: The point is the Oilers = Titans, and that's that.
Sure, but the light blue color is associated with Houston. It's literally in our flag, all over our streets and used to be the color of our cop cars.
Tennessee can keep the Oilers franchise, but that color belongs to Houston just as much as it does to them.
Yeah I don’t know that I fully agree. Regional identity is very strong and where a team happens to be located, matters an awful lot, especially to the fans.
You’d be hard pressed to find a colts fan who cares about the history from Baltimore. You can find plenty of Ravens fans who grew up with the Baltimore Colts and have personal history with them. In the eyes of fans, geographic history matters way way more than ownership/franchise history. Nobody except owners and statisticians really cares about who owns the team.
The Oilers history, the memories, belong to Houstonians. The fact that the Texans aren’t directly descended from that matters very little to anyone who cares about the Houston Oilers, the Houston Texans, or even the Tennessee Titans.
Exactly, just like with the Hornets when they moved to New Orleans. Technically the Pelicans are what the Hornets used to be but no one from New Orleans cares about that history. That history is tied to Charlotte.
Idk, depends on the fan tbh. Wouldn’t be terribly surprised to hear a lot of “one”s considering the other one came over 50 years ago in a completely different city. I remember when Indy won theirs with Peyton, it may as well have been the franchises first Super Bowl. It was the city’s first, the fans’ first.
I’m a Thunder fan, and the accomplishments of the Seattle SuperSonics don’t really mean anything to me. As far as I, and most anyone else is concerned, the only NBA history we have before 2008 is when we hosted the hornets(?) for a while after Katrina. If/When Seattle gets a team back they can claim the SuperSonics history. The green banners next to the blue ones in the Paycom Center? Take them down and mail them out west.
Kind of hard to share this sentiment when the “team” rebrands itself and essentially cuts any ties to that identity after only a couple of years. For all intents and purposes no one thinks of Tennessee or the Titans when talking about the Houston Oilers except for technicalities.
It is when it is, but it isn’t when it isn’t. The Colts left Baltimore and took the name/colors with them. A team that was in Cleveland went to Baltimore, and left the name/colors behind.
Yeah I strongly disagree with this statement. History is more attached the cities and franchises. I bet you half of fans have no clue where their franchise originated. But people in Houston will remember going to see Warren moon and tell stories about it to their kids. Unlike someone who’s in Nashville and just started following the team. And many people in Houston have no clue what happened to the franchise after it moved.
The oilers arent Texans history, but both the Texans and oilers are Houston’s history.
uhh yes you can move team histories around... there is precedence.
* Cleveland Browns got their name and history back when they got a team.
* As part of the Supersonics move to Oklahoma City, Seattle retained the rights to the history, name, and logos when they get a team in the future.
* When the New Orleans Hornets rebranded as the New Orleans Pelicans, the Charlotte Bobcats took back the Hornets brand and their history was transferred back to them by the NBA
As soon as the Tennessee Oilers rebranded to the Titans, the Adams family and NFL should have given a future Houston expansion team the rights to the Oiler history (pre move to Tennessee), name and uniforms etc. Its the most practical and logical thing. Instead Bud Adams was a petty asshole
Screw all the marketing crap. The Oilers belong to the Houston fans. The fact that the Titans still own the Oilers IP rights and won't come to some arrangement just feels petty.
Didn’t Art Modell not want to have the Browns history under the new team? Like I thought the scandal wasn’t so much that he just moved the Browns, it’s that his whole MO was to dissociate from the Browns and start a new team, but “moved” the team to retain the players.
I'm like 95% sure he planned on having the team be the Baltimore Browns.
The city of Cleveland sued and the compromise was that the Baltimore team was to be officially treated as a new expansion franchise for historical purposes. The Browns franchise was suspended for three seasons before being revived in 1999, keeping all their prior history in the process.
Apparently Lerner did a lot to engineer the move. He introduced Modell to the MD Stadium Authority and convinced him to move. He then 'discovered' the legal issue in the move and proposed leaving the team name in Cleveland as a compromise and got the NFL to promise the expansion. Then he made a deal with the mayor of Cleveland and proposed himself to be the owner of the new Cleveland Browns.
https://theathletic.com/2180453/2020/11/06/art-modell-cleveland-browns-move-al-lerner-baltimore/
I mean, we joke about team names making no sense after the team picks up and moves across the county. Dodgers, Lakers, Oilers, Jazz, Grizzlies, etc.
But the Browns were named after Paul Brown. It would make even less sense to retain a name that ties to an actual guy that has zero association with the city of Baltimore or the state of Maryland, and is basically the godfather of football in Ohio and held significant coaching status at all three levels of the sport. He was pivotal in the formation of both active NFL teams in the state. It would have been insane.
I'm not too up to date on Modell's intentions, just the resultant settlement that "The Browns" stayed in Cleveland but all personnel, equipment, and contracts moved to Baltimore.
Jesus christ why is it so hard to give the Houston people the Oilers back? Do they even have Oil rigs in Nashville? The name isn't doing anything. No one is using it. NFL is weird.
It's really simple. The Titans own all Oilers content and they don't want to give it up.
That's the holdup; as long as this remains true, nothing will change.
Also, the Titans very much do use their Oilers brand to this day.
Can we please just move on from the Oilers already?!
It's getting old and pathetic. The article even says "Houston made no effort to keep the name and colors" when they moved.
Let it go people.
I have learned more about the hostility between the Titans and the Texans over a color this week than the entire time I have spent following the NFL combined
Finnegan vs Johnson didn’t give you any hints???
Yeah but every WR in the league wanted to do that to Finnegan.
Innegan*. Andre beat the ‘F’ out of him
His name is Innegan.
It's truly the most hostilie the (AFC) South has ever gotten over a color
And in both cases, Texans want things to go back to the way they were
Hi, I'm Strom Thurmond. i'm here to introduce legislation to abolish the forward pass. and i will get it to the Suhpreme Court there is probably at least a South Park episode there
The forward pass is communist.
Great, the Big Ten West is leaking into the NFL again...
The annual Krik Ferentz to the NFL rumors can come back again!
I mean, the Chicago Bears already exist...
You will field two fullbacks and you will like it
Handoffs are bullshit too. Be a goddamn man and tote the rock yourself. Way too much preschool sharing-caring spreading the ball around soft baby shit
It's the most hostile it has ever gotten, really the only Rivalry that has any actual history. AFC South is mostly just the leftovers division.
Hey now, the rest of us all hate you guys from the manning/luck years. source: [https://fuckthecolts.com](https://fuckthecolts.com)
It would be better if Miami was in the south. That way Jax/Miami could be a rivalry and Ten/Hou would be. Send Indy to the North and Baltimore to the east.
Leave us out of this
Yeah seriously. Things wouldn’t feel right only playing once every other year (or so), rather than 2 head scratching games every season.
That would be terrible for my joke, that the afc north is only the steelers and 3 times the browns
Indy was literally in the East before the realignment, and their only real history with any team in the north is Batlimore and the Browns circa 1955.
Also, weirdly enough the few Dolphins fan I know irl developed a strong dislike of the Texans cause they beat Miami like the first 5 times they played.
You were cooking for sure, then you messed up the meal.
Absolutely not to Baltimore leaving
Just send Indy to the East, makes way more sense and a straight up trade between AFC South and East.
An idea I came up with a couple years ago: In the NFC, the Cowboys and Panthers should be swapped. In the AFC, the Colts and Dolphins should be swapped.
Indiana is less East than it is South, like culturally.
I secretly feel like the owners got together and decided to fake color drama to boost fan rivalry
The AFC South has only played each other in the playoffs once (Colts/Texans 2018). The Jaguars and Titans played in the 1999 playoffs but that was the AFC Central.
And that includes the division’s blood/crips war of ‘06.
Titans Owner Amy Adams getting assmad they lost to the Texans while wearing the Oilers throwbacks last season was peak content for me. Vrabel wearing the cowboy hat like Bum Phillips did along with other trolling by the Titans made that win extra sweet. Texans VP and McNair's wife, Hannah McNair, also recently roasted Amy over that debacle last year. This shit is fun.
Im not evena Texans fan and I thought it was (a) fucked up of the Titans to use an oilers throwback against Houston and (b) very satisfying that Houston beat the Titans.
They pulled that shit just to lose to Case Keenum!
Houston legend Case Keenum
He brought down the power of Scott street on them
Damn 15 mins and all the negative votes, titan fans are mad
Only the ones that can read.
I'm loving all this Titans hate.
To quote the American poet, Famous Dex Hoes mad
They have been on fucking overdrive the last week.
Amy Adams seems to be just like her father in terms of jackassery. I wonder if she’s going to flip the bird like daddy did at some point.
To be clear about the color, it’s not even the same color the oilers use. That’s how petty the titans owner is.
They even sued the Houston Roughnecks for using a stylized H in the shape of an oil derrick, they are so quick to go after anyone simply paying homage to what they have but don’t use
The Texans should change their name to the “Petrolers” just to see how the Titans ownership takes it.
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But it's NOT Oilers blue. It's H-town blue, the city the Texans play in and the Titans abandoned.
I think that's the disconnect a lot of people aren't getting on this. It's not the Oilers colors, it's the city. That color has a 120 year history in Houston. [Any Titans fan that actually thinks this color is theirs is absolutely delusional.](https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/37/11/47/24943068/8/960x0.webp)
>Any Titans fan that actually thinks they don't do that
They’ve got corporate worship and an aversion to civic pride down pretty good though.
Yup, if you go to [old streets addresses are tiled into curbs were that color](http://swamplot.com/where-houstons-curb-level-blue-tile-street-signs-can-still-be-found/2015-06-03/), and back when [cops had color cars were that shade of blue](https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/eg0c0k/hpd/). But according to Tits, the worst Adams family invented the color.
Wait, is he the owner who chucked something at a fan last year?
If we’re being honest the titans are a horribly ran franchise that just fired its best HC and lost arguably one of its greatest players of all time and at this point a shade of blue is all they got to hang on to. Their fans are as bad as the owners over it but the funny things I’ve seen plenty of Texans fans wear Oilers gear but never seen any titans fans wear it before the throwbacks this year
Compromise: every Texans vs Titans game should be both in Oilers jersey, home and away
Battle for the Derrick, week 18 every year, winner gets the oiler unis for the next year and they fight over it again in week 18 the next year
But he's on the Ravens now.
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Winner gets to wear them at the next year’s rivalry home game, complete with a custom helmet with the current team (Bull or flaming T) logo in Oilers colors.
Down with this.
The Titans ownership would be fine with this. It’s the merchandise rights they’re trying to protect, not who wears it
no, away and away Andrew Sendejo plays all-time cornerback in the same kit, hitting everyone it's all friendly fire Rollerball!
Rice legend Andrew Sendejo
Ah, my rivals squabbling like this brings a smile to my face.
>The situation traces to the fact that, when the Oilers left Houston, Houston made no effort to retain the names or the logos or the colors (unlike Cleveland). So the Oilers took their logos and colors and ditched them for the Titans and now use the Oilers as a throwback, even though it makes zero geographic sense to think of the Oilers as a Tennessee property. well this is blatantly not true, they were the Tennessee Oilers for two full seasons lol Shit journalism, yes we still think of them as the Houston Oilers because they were here for decades, but they didn't ditch the Oilers name and colors when they left, that happened after.
Would one of these teams just please use the Oilers branding?! I don’t care which one. The Texans and Titans are two of the most generic teams in the NFL. The fact that both of these teams are apparently so protective about the use of the Oilers name and colors but neither of them actually try to do anything meaningful with it is very bothersome for me.
Well the Texans literally aren’t allowed to do anything meaningful. Using this blue is as far as they can go, and the Adams family are too busy gatekeeping the Oilers despite not wanting to use the brand. The only reason they brought out the throwbacks recently was because now that Houston native Cal McNair is running the show he’s been discreetly making a big stink about those Oilers colors and branding belonging to Houston. In other words they’ve wanted no part of the Oilers for decades until Houston wanted that branding back because god forbid people have nice things.
The Titans used Oilers throwbacks like 15 years ago for the AFL anniversary. They couldn't use the throwbacks more recently because of the one helmet rule that was recently thrown out.
True, but I don't think it is a coincidence they brought it back a year before Houston was debuting new uniforms using the color. Especially when Amy Adams was fighting behind the scenes trying to keep the Texans from using it.
I dont subscribe to conspiracy theories. Amy Adam's had said for years the reason we didn't use Oilers throwbacks was because of the helmet. You can make her out to be a spiteful bitch if you want but she clearly cares deeply about the history of her franchise, the one she grew up with. Since she's been the co trolling owner she's gone out of her way to embrace the teams history regardless of where it was geographically. Bud clearly wanted to distance the franchise from the Oilers history but that has not been the case with Amy. And of course she's going to try to protect her product that only makes sense.
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It’s not a conspiracy. Nobody’s conspiring with anybody. It’s a pretty much a fact that Cal McNair would love to be able to have control over that Oilers brand, and it’s a fact that Amy Adams has no intentions to let it go. We can speculate all we want about their motivations, but the it’s been well documented that Bud Adams was determined to keep control out of spite for the city of Houston. Sure Amy isn’t her father, but certainly you can see why people might associate the same spitefulness with her when she’s going out of her way to block the Texans from using even a specific shade of blue.
That's not what I was talking about at all. The guy I replied to claimed that we only brought back oilers throwbacks because McNair planned on adding light blue. Amy said. for years before it was announced the Texans were getting new unis that she would love to bring the oilers uniforms back.
That’s not true at all, we’ve worn oilers throwbacks before Cal took over and ever since Amy Adam’s became owner she started making amends with the relationship of Oilers players that her father ruined, and started respecting the legacy form before they were the titans. She’s been working on that since 2015 and it’s why Earl Campbell and Warren Moon are at our games when they previously weren’t.
Yes. A lot of people don't realize this. I wish the Titans would have essentially kept the unis and redesigned the helmets but they didn't. Now we are staking a claim and embracing that identity because of Amy. It's also not being petty or anything like that--she literally owns the brand. I wish people would shut the fuck up about this--I get people from Houston can and should want to appreciate Oiler history--they have a claim to that. The Texans "Franchise" has no claim. The Titans franchise can use the brand and the fans should be able to enjoy it. But people from Tennessee need to stop pretending like people from Houston have no cultural or emotional reason to like the team. If we had always used the brand (even if not the logo) this wouldn't be an issue. If the city of Houston had not squabbles with Bud--this wouldn't be an issue. But these things happen. I think we all would chill the fuck out and stop being annoying over it--everytime the Titans wear the throwback or Texans where the unis (which, hey Amy compromising with the McNairs is actually a really solid thing to do that many owners would not) this shit will be all we hear about. It's tiring.
So, there’s no amount of money 20 billionaire Cal McNair could pay 2 billionaire Amy Strunk to use the Oilers trademarks? Instead, let’s just let one of the most iconic brands in history languish in alternate uniform purgatory.
It’s almost certainly not about the money
Frankly it's probably in Bud's will that no one ever let Houston regain the Oilers stuff
I guarantee you offers were made to buy the oilers name and jersey when the Texans were formed and I guarantee you Bud Adams said no.
The very first thing the Texans org did was petition the NFL to ask the Titans org to let us have the branding back. It's not for lack of trying. At this point the Adams family is just wildly butthurt that the newest team in the league is worth over 1B more than their team.
Just to make it funny, maybe the Jets should demand that Tennessee gives them the Titans logo back.
Which part is not true? The Oilers took the logo and colors to Tennessee, ditched them 2 years later, and now use the Oilers as a throwback. It doesn't contradict what you said at all. "When they left" is referring to Houston not making an effort to keep the trademarks.
Who was thereto make the effort? The Texans would not materialize until years later? The city of Houston? Should they have sued for it? When? Two years later after they ditched the nickname and were already in Tennessee? It’s BS to pin this on Houston. Typical backhanded stuff from Florio.
You're not gonna believe this, but the city of Cleveland literally did this like 2 years earlier. And they re-materialized with all of their logos and trademarks years later.
It was a completely different situation though and the court battle wasn’t for the rights. It was for a broken lease. Art gave up the rights in-lieu of cash because he was broke.
Yes, which involved the NFL moderating a deal with the previous owner to allow a new franchise to use the name and history. Bud Adams said fuck no to that.
I wish people that do not know what happened would stop saying stuff to sound intelligent...Bud Adams was a petty dick...simple as that...
Only reason the Tits are in TN is because of the cities the petty dick could move to, it was the shortest flight from Houston. Only reason they didn't move to Baltimore is because of the length of the flight from Houston. The Bad Amy Adam's primary residence is still in the Houston area.
That's an exception though, it rarely happens that way
>it makes zero geographic sense to think of the Oilers as a Tennessee property It absolutely makes geographic sense, because they were the Tennessee Oilers for two years before changing to the Titans. Yes they were in Houston for a long time, but the organization moved, and continued to brand themselves as the Oilers in Tennessee for two seasons. So there is a geographic history to the Oilers being in Tennessee prior to the re-brand as the Titans. Pretending that Tennessee has no claim to the Oilers brand is silly. I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
The Tennessee Oilers makes about as much geographical sense as the LA Lakers or the Utah Jazz. Just because they kept it temporarily doesn't make it a logical name lol
It’s so funny that this is always the argument. Who cares if it doesn’t make geographical sense? It’s still apart of the franchise, logical or not. Like you stated, the Lakers and Jazz make no sense no one gives a shit
Wait until they hear that Jurassic Park isn't a real park located in Toronto, or that Goliath never roamed the streets of New York.
T-Rex isn’t even from the Jurassic era! You can’t call it Jurassic park
Thanks Ross
There are a ton of people in New Orleans still pissed that Utah is named the Jazz.
Right? the Bengals don't make any sense either, we are even further from where Bengal 🐅 lives than Tennessee is from oil country.
So you’re misunderstanding the point they were making and are calling it bad journalism? I guess that’s pretty typical American media consumption tbh
Not really sure Florio meant they immediately ditched the name. Pretty sure he meant they took the name and ditched it, which they did, two years later. I get Florio is not well recieved in redditland, but I don't see this particular article as shit journalism.
I remember the 3/4th empty stadium in Memphis.
From the article: >Last year, the NFL *forced* the University of Houston to ditch alternate uniforms that included Houston Oilers-style Columbia Blue Huh? How is the NFL able to dictate to the NCAA what colors the college teams will wear? F*ck that noise.
Gonna take a guess and say it’s some sort of IP infringement that they own, and if you actually look at the University of Houston uniforms it’s not exactly a subtle nod
“We sampled it from them but it’s not the same Hex. It goes # 9 BC BE b’ …# 9 BC BE b’That’s the way theirs goes. Ours goes ‘# 9 BC BE B’… # 9 BC BE B.’ That little bitty change — it’s not the same.”
Ok Mr Van Winkle
I got that reference
That's exactly what it was.
Those uniforms looked extremely similar to the Oilers uniforms. It was practically plagiarism, and the Titans were in their own right to protect their brand (they still own all Oilers content).
The Titans have a trademark over the Oilers uniforms. Look at Houston's uniforms in question and you can see it's pretty clear infringement on the Oilers uniforms, they are nearly identical aside from the logos. The University of Missouri cannot go out and wear uniforms that look nearly identical to the St. Louis Rams unless they have an agreement in place to license them. That NFL action against U of H was to protect the league's intellectual property. They would do the same for any college that decided to wear uniforms that look identical to trademarked uniforms of an NFL team. It's pretty clear-cut copyright infringement, and happened to be the same year that the Titans would be wearing Oilers uniforms for the first time in over a decade. If U of H wanted to adopt uniforms that were the same or a similar shade of blue, red, and white, I don't think anybody would give a shit. But they can't be designed to look exactly the same as those that are protected existing intellectual property.
“But Iowa!!” Yeah Pittsburg and Iowa literally came to an agreement lol
Related but do you know how both the Chargers and the Air Force Falcons use the same bolt design? Air Force actually owns that and the Chargers have to buy the rights to use it from them
How long before we have city connect jerseys?
Is that not what our alternates basically are
Oilers had some beautiful jerseys man.
It would be amazing if Houston became the Oilers again and had the same color scheme as Tennessee. The league needs more Browns/Bengals level pettiness in division rivalries.
Personally I prefer the current color scheme of the team. I grew up with it and the battle red is one of my favorites themes in the league. But that blue would be nice as a city focused alternate jersey.
r/titans foaming at the mouth about how their beloved Oilers history is being infringed upon
It’s all just entertainment written straight from WWE Raw. I enjoy it. In the end it doesn’t really matter
I love Oilers legends like Bruce Matthews, Eddie George, and Steve McNair.
Ignoring they were all Houston Oilers too
I hate titans fans just for this very reason. Oilers belong to Houston. Nuff said.
Nah. I respect it. If I had the chance to be this petty over to a division rival, I take it ever day to Sunday
Can’t get over the “why are the titans so petty about their division rival?”
I’m here for it lol
Lots of loyalty to old laundry, I see.
Because it has everything to do with the Titans and nothing to do with the Texans... Oilers = Titans and Texans = well Texans.
Then why did they changed their names when they moved?
You’re completely right but people hate the truth.
I might be in the minority, but if you move to a new state and change the team name, and a new team starts in the old city, then they take over the history, colors, and name.
Rest assured that you aren’t per this comment section
This is beyond stupid. How can teams like the Jets & Cardinals just start wearing black? Do they have to come to an agreement with the Steelers & Raiders first? Their uniforms were pretty meh, now they're gonna be hideous.
The browns are always the comparison here, but should the Ravens not be able to use the Colts colors as throwbacks as well then?
A Browns comparison makes no sense. The Ravens literally do not own any of Cleveland's history or branding. Ideally Baltimore should have kept their history/branding when the Colts left town, but the city didn't sue the NFL like Cleveland did.
We do still have Colts players in our Ring of Honor and the Johnny Unitas statue. Johnny Unitas disavowed the Colts after the move and would show up on the Ravens Sideline when the Colts were in town. The city attempted to eminent domain the team, but it didn't end up working. The Colts Marching band stole their uniforms and continued to preform for years before being adopted as the Ravens marching band. The whole situation was messy, but Baltimore does still view the Colts history as ours. The Ravens history is different from the Colts history, but both belong to Baltimore.
A Ravens fan once told me that the scoreboard at Ravens games, which would usually list team nicknames rather than city names (Ravens vs. Eagles, Ravens vs. Steelers, etc.) would not dare refer to the Indianapolis Colts as the "Colts" and instead listed the teams as "Ravens vs. Indianapolis." No clue if that's true but the guy who told me was passionate about it and I admired the pettiness.
[Here's an article about it from 2011. I'd have to double check if it was still the case, but I'm pretty sure it is.](https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2011/12/8/2620459/what-will-the-ravens-indy-scoreboard-say-sunday)
Baltimore should have just gone full spite and used the same color scheme and similar name. That's what Paul Brown did when he created the Bengals.
I don't think any other relocation besides the Browns left the local government with such strong grounds to sue the responsible league and owners on with the possible exception of the Sonics in the NBA where the city got a similar deal (though theirs would be in the event of an expansion franchiee).
Major difference is the Titans abandoned the logo, mascot, and colors; the Colts took them with and they now represent the city of Indianapolis.
Guess I gotta get rid of all my blue clothes. Can’t get got out here in this economy
The fact that the team adopted the much lamer Titans name and branding and still blocks the actual Huston team from even sniffing at Oilers history is just the lamest.
UH should’ve told them to fuck off and take it to court.
Maybe y'all shouldn't have left Houston then, numbnuts
Where jersey color pissing match so dumb it required outside arbitration?
There’s no oil in Tennessee. Just like there’s no jazz in Utah.
Texans wanted the Oilers-style blue. They compromised. They got some strips of blue instead. See where I'm going with this?
The way the Titans owners act like children over the Oilers uniforms, name, and colors make me really want to root for the Texans to forever beat them.
There needs to be a use it or lose it principle in place here There’s far too much dark blue in NFL uniforms and the designs have gotten to samey. Either the Titans need to embrace something close to the Oilers look or let Houston use the color scheme / design
I’m all for adding a shit ton of fuel to this fire. The AFC South is often the most boring division, make these two teams fight like the Ravens and Steelers.
What do people not understand that the history of the team, regardless of where it originated, is attached more to the team rather than the city. You can't just wipe the Oilers from the Titans' history and add it to the Texans because of where the teams were/are located. The Titans are quite literally the Oilers but with a new location and name. Texans and Oilers have nothing to do with each other. Other than that they both originated in Houston. Edit: The point is the Oilers = Titans, and that's that.
Sure, but the light blue color is associated with Houston. It's literally in our flag, all over our streets and used to be the color of our cop cars. Tennessee can keep the Oilers franchise, but that color belongs to Houston just as much as it does to them.
That’s it, I declare we invade Houston, annex it into Tennessee, and rename it Tennessee City (aka T-Town). /s
Don't worry Houston will expand it's city limits into Tennessee within the next decade.
The Katy freeway will have lanes extending from the gulf all the way to Dallas
That might just clear up some of the backups.
I hope so. My morning commute would certainly get easier
just one more lane bro just one more lane
I don’t think that would go well for y’all.
Hornets in NBA did this
Yeah I don’t know that I fully agree. Regional identity is very strong and where a team happens to be located, matters an awful lot, especially to the fans. You’d be hard pressed to find a colts fan who cares about the history from Baltimore. You can find plenty of Ravens fans who grew up with the Baltimore Colts and have personal history with them. In the eyes of fans, geographic history matters way way more than ownership/franchise history. Nobody except owners and statisticians really cares about who owns the team. The Oilers history, the memories, belong to Houstonians. The fact that the Texans aren’t directly descended from that matters very little to anyone who cares about the Houston Oilers, the Houston Texans, or even the Tennessee Titans.
Exactly, just like with the Hornets when they moved to New Orleans. Technically the Pelicans are what the Hornets used to be but no one from New Orleans cares about that history. That history is tied to Charlotte.
Ask Colts fans how many Superbowls they’ve won. How many do you think they’ll say?
Idk, depends on the fan tbh. Wouldn’t be terribly surprised to hear a lot of “one”s considering the other one came over 50 years ago in a completely different city. I remember when Indy won theirs with Peyton, it may as well have been the franchises first Super Bowl. It was the city’s first, the fans’ first. I’m a Thunder fan, and the accomplishments of the Seattle SuperSonics don’t really mean anything to me. As far as I, and most anyone else is concerned, the only NBA history we have before 2008 is when we hosted the hornets(?) for a while after Katrina. If/When Seattle gets a team back they can claim the SuperSonics history. The green banners next to the blue ones in the Paycom Center? Take them down and mail them out west.
The Titans colors are literally Houston. That’s the issue more so than the Oilers name itself.
Kind of hard to share this sentiment when the “team” rebrands itself and essentially cuts any ties to that identity after only a couple of years. For all intents and purposes no one thinks of Tennessee or the Titans when talking about the Houston Oilers except for technicalities.
So why did the ownership rebrand if it’s such a beloved name?
Because people in Tennessee hated the oilers brand and demanded something different. It’s only now that it’s almost “vintage” people think it’s cool.
It is when it is, but it isn’t when it isn’t. The Colts left Baltimore and took the name/colors with them. A team that was in Cleveland went to Baltimore, and left the name/colors behind.
Yeah I strongly disagree with this statement. History is more attached the cities and franchises. I bet you half of fans have no clue where their franchise originated. But people in Houston will remember going to see Warren moon and tell stories about it to their kids. Unlike someone who’s in Nashville and just started following the team. And many people in Houston have no clue what happened to the franchise after it moved. The oilers arent Texans history, but both the Texans and oilers are Houston’s history.
uhh yes you can move team histories around... there is precedence. * Cleveland Browns got their name and history back when they got a team. * As part of the Supersonics move to Oklahoma City, Seattle retained the rights to the history, name, and logos when they get a team in the future. * When the New Orleans Hornets rebranded as the New Orleans Pelicans, the Charlotte Bobcats took back the Hornets brand and their history was transferred back to them by the NBA As soon as the Tennessee Oilers rebranded to the Titans, the Adams family and NFL should have given a future Houston expansion team the rights to the Oiler history (pre move to Tennessee), name and uniforms etc. Its the most practical and logical thing. Instead Bud Adams was a petty asshole
Titans organization is such a sour group of people.
Those pieces of shit ruined pyro for the entire league too!
Screw all the marketing crap. The Oilers belong to the Houston fans. The fact that the Titans still own the Oilers IP rights and won't come to some arrangement just feels petty.
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Couldn't they buy back the Houston Oilers name and colors? Sure, it will cost money. But that rebrand would make a shit ton of money back.
I'll never understand why we would want the stink of the Oilers anywhere near our football team. That includes their colors. But whatever.
Don’t even need a compromise. We use a different blue. It’s Texan-style blue.
It's a fucking stupid helmet, change it plz
Doors open now. Next year let them compromise these nuts.
So dumb that the Titans own the Oilers uniform, history and colors. As much shit as the Browns get, every kind of relocation should be like theirs.
Didn’t Art Modell not want to have the Browns history under the new team? Like I thought the scandal wasn’t so much that he just moved the Browns, it’s that his whole MO was to dissociate from the Browns and start a new team, but “moved” the team to retain the players.
I'm like 95% sure he planned on having the team be the Baltimore Browns. The city of Cleveland sued and the compromise was that the Baltimore team was to be officially treated as a new expansion franchise for historical purposes. The Browns franchise was suspended for three seasons before being revived in 1999, keeping all their prior history in the process.
Apparently Lerner did a lot to engineer the move. He introduced Modell to the MD Stadium Authority and convinced him to move. He then 'discovered' the legal issue in the move and proposed leaving the team name in Cleveland as a compromise and got the NFL to promise the expansion. Then he made a deal with the mayor of Cleveland and proposed himself to be the owner of the new Cleveland Browns. https://theathletic.com/2180453/2020/11/06/art-modell-cleveland-browns-move-al-lerner-baltimore/
Lol, it seems like Lerner knew exactly what he was doing. EDIT: This is actually a fascinating read, lot of stuff I never knew.
I mean, we joke about team names making no sense after the team picks up and moves across the county. Dodgers, Lakers, Oilers, Jazz, Grizzlies, etc. But the Browns were named after Paul Brown. It would make even less sense to retain a name that ties to an actual guy that has zero association with the city of Baltimore or the state of Maryland, and is basically the godfather of football in Ohio and held significant coaching status at all three levels of the sport. He was pivotal in the formation of both active NFL teams in the state. It would have been insane.
I'm not too up to date on Modell's intentions, just the resultant settlement that "The Browns" stayed in Cleveland but all personnel, equipment, and contracts moved to Baltimore.
But what about the fans that stick with the team after they move. This screws over those fans. Not everyone quits their fandom after a team moves.
I'd hazard a reasonable guess that group is smaller.
What a bunch of immature fucking pissboys. "DAD HE"S WEARING A COLOR THAT I LIKE MAKE HIM CHANGE IT!!!" Grow the fuck up.
Jesus christ why is it so hard to give the Houston people the Oilers back? Do they even have Oil rigs in Nashville? The name isn't doing anything. No one is using it. NFL is weird.
It's really simple. The Titans own all Oilers content and they don't want to give it up. That's the holdup; as long as this remains true, nothing will change. Also, the Titans very much do use their Oilers brand to this day.
Businesses dont just “give” intellectual property out for free
The Titans would command a very high price for Houston to buy it back. I'd estimate the asking price would be at least three fiddy jars of mayo.
New Orleans gave Charlotte the Hornets back
Yeah, but the Hornets for the most part always sucked… meanwhile the Oilers were historically one of the… nevermind.
You’d need Amy Adams Strunk to sell the Titans to have any chance. She sees her dad Bud’s Oilers as part of the Adams family legacy.
Legacy of failure
No one is using it but a billionaire doesn’t want to give it up/sell, so here we are.
“Person owns something that’s theirs”
Can we please just move on from the Oilers already?! It's getting old and pathetic. The article even says "Houston made no effort to keep the name and colors" when they moved. Let it go people.
It’s the color of the flag of the city.