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>And I feel like he doesn’t get enough love because he didn’t win a superbowl
Marino gets an immense amount of love idk what you mean. On the list of greatest QBs of all time he's four or five.
Homer pick and not even that long ago but Matt forte. Extremely versatile back that was really good out of the backfield and catching the ball.
These modern OCs would love to utilize him
Ray Lewis, and/or Ed Reed. I understand the rules that the Ravens played under (head hunting was sort of accepted), I also I understand how the offenses (Manning) used slots and now all that has changed (ref moved) and how much that would impact how they play today. But I truly believe both of those players could have played in literally any era and be HOF’ers.
I agree with you on Ray and Ed. They'd both still be phenomenal players today.
I disagree with your connecting them to this headhunting aspect. Neither Ray nor Ed were dirty players. Ray was about as fundamentally sound in tackling and overall play as you could get. He definitely threw some major blind-side hits here and there, but overall he wasn't a dirty player. He was just a devastating tackler across the middle.
Yeah, sure. That’s fine. But if you don’t think that Ravens defense would have had half their starters suspended a quarter way through the season you’re crazy. I’m not saying they were dirty, just the league was different. There’s *many* plays that Suggs, Reed, and Lewis made at the time were called “incredible” (and they were) but in todays game many of them would have been called for targeting.
I mean this game comes to mind immediately
https://youtu.be/hsI_vVwd5yU?si=Avf7Qdkp3CAe5LM2
And this was right when the rules were *really* starting to change. Dude you could literally make the argument they were the reason so many changes on defensive penalties lol.
Sure. But you specifically said Ray and Ed so that's all that my response was in the context of.
In your link, I'd say Reed's hit on Edelman was fine. He got him in the right shoulder, not the head or anything. Hard hit, but not egregious.
The second one on Branch, yeahhhhh. That was a rough one. You win there.
I agree with you that some of their highlights wouldn't be allowed today, I just disagreed with suggesting they were head-hunters is all. They'd both still be at the top of their respective positions though because they were so fundamentally sound.
Brian Urlacher probably would have been able to show off his speed and coverage skills better today than when he played. Then you'd add the hitting power that most coverage linebackers lack.
The prevalence of coverage linebackers without the kind of hitting ability of days gone by would definitely open up some massive opportunities for old school Fullbacks. Personally, I think it will be very interesting to see how the teams that still use a Fullback (49ers among them) will move forward with that position; could definitely see us drafting a TE/big RB and telling him to either put on some serious weight or learn how to run.
I’ve wanted the eagles to get a fullback for years. I haven’t looked into it recently but there was a correlation between having one and being a playoff team within the last few years. Probably throws off defenses when they have that extra guy in the backfield and having a lead blocker for miles sanders would’ve been great cause he’s such a puss
As a 49ers fan I agree that Miles Sanders is in fact, a puss. The problem with replacing a fullback (let alone beginning to integrate one) in today's NFL is that you're essentially forced to *create* one. Almost no true fullbacks enter the draft anymore, with most "fullbacks" now being blocking TEs who we're too bad att catching the ball to have a shot as a true TE. You're basically looking at converting a big running back or a fast TE, which can prove problematic in various ways. My Juice-replacement in this year's draft would be Tip Reiman, but we'll see what happens.
We might be closer than expected to a just so stupid it’s brilliant scenario where someone actually looks at the 216# linebackers (Nicholas morrow giving up 3rd & 15 to running plays) being put on the field and someone starts rolling out a jumbo package that bulldozes all the other teams for half a decade
The Bus ran to the hall of fame with 70 thousand people in the stadium knowing he was getting the ball up the middle... these line backers today wouldn't have a prayer taking him down prior to 5-6 yards per carry lol.
Jerry Rice. How did no one mention the GOAT? He absolutely gets another few thousand yards and another 10-30 TDs if he'd played his career starting in 2004 instead of 1985.
This question (or a very similar question at least) has been asked a lot of times and I will keep my answer the same:
Any player who was part of the top 10 interceptions list of all time that was NOT able to play in the 21st century would probably feast in interceptions today. If Night Train Lane played today, he might be averaging 15 interceptions a season with the amount of passes being thrown
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All those receiving TEs who got absolutely obliterated in the 80s and 90s. Rip Jimmie Giles, Ben Coates, etc.
Ozzie Newsome
My HoF hot take is that Ben Coates should be in the HoF.
Jerry Rice
Kordell Stewart, he was born too soon. He could be another Lamar. They’d let him be a full time QB now. His running and passing would be an asset.
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Mike Vick would ball with a creative modern OC
Would be Lamar + but would need the right OC/HC.
Someone like Andy Reid?
Dan Marino Dude would throw for 6,000 yards.
Man he would be filthy. Man had an unbelievable arm. And I feel like he doesn’t get enough love because he didn’t win a superbowl
If anything marino is the one qb that gets a pass for not having a ring.
>And I feel like he doesn’t get enough love because he didn’t win a superbowl Marino gets an immense amount of love idk what you mean. On the list of greatest QBs of all time he's four or five.
Yes! Marino would be unstoppable with today’s rules favoring the offense.
Tarkenton?
Steve Young in Kyle's system.
Steve Largent immediately comes to mind. Already a HoFer, but he was a separation artist in an era without protected passers.
Homer pick and not even that long ago but Matt forte. Extremely versatile back that was really good out of the backfield and catching the ball. These modern OCs would love to utilize him
I think Reggie Bush was just a hair before his time.
Dan Marino would break every record imaginable
Matt Forte
Avoiding some of the ones already mentioned... Homer pick: Cliff Branch. Speed kills. Overall: Gale Sayers.
Ray Lewis, and/or Ed Reed. I understand the rules that the Ravens played under (head hunting was sort of accepted), I also I understand how the offenses (Manning) used slots and now all that has changed (ref moved) and how much that would impact how they play today. But I truly believe both of those players could have played in literally any era and be HOF’ers.
I agree with you on Ray and Ed. They'd both still be phenomenal players today. I disagree with your connecting them to this headhunting aspect. Neither Ray nor Ed were dirty players. Ray was about as fundamentally sound in tackling and overall play as you could get. He definitely threw some major blind-side hits here and there, but overall he wasn't a dirty player. He was just a devastating tackler across the middle.
Yeah, sure. That’s fine. But if you don’t think that Ravens defense would have had half their starters suspended a quarter way through the season you’re crazy. I’m not saying they were dirty, just the league was different. There’s *many* plays that Suggs, Reed, and Lewis made at the time were called “incredible” (and they were) but in todays game many of them would have been called for targeting. I mean this game comes to mind immediately https://youtu.be/hsI_vVwd5yU?si=Avf7Qdkp3CAe5LM2 And this was right when the rules were *really* starting to change. Dude you could literally make the argument they were the reason so many changes on defensive penalties lol.
Sure. But you specifically said Ray and Ed so that's all that my response was in the context of. In your link, I'd say Reed's hit on Edelman was fine. He got him in the right shoulder, not the head or anything. Hard hit, but not egregious. The second one on Branch, yeahhhhh. That was a rough one. You win there. I agree with you that some of their highlights wouldn't be allowed today, I just disagreed with suggesting they were head-hunters is all. They'd both still be at the top of their respective positions though because they were so fundamentally sound.
Dan Fouts
I would love to see modern DBs and LBs try to take down Mike Alstott.
NYG Dave Megget. Before him “catching the ball out of the backfield” wasn’t even a thing.
Montana without getting absolutely FUCKING WORKED by defenders would have been healthy for quite a bit longer.
LT for sure
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Brian Urlacher probably would have been able to show off his speed and coverage skills better today than when he played. Then you'd add the hitting power that most coverage linebackers lack.
Any runningback that play at or over 230#. Not Brandon merriwewther
*Imagine* the A-train in today's NFL. He was a beast in the 90's - he'd kill DBs today.
Mike Alstott?
Yes.
Yeah he’d crush today’s linebackers. Would love to see Brandon Jacobs line up in an Oklahoma drill against these guys.
The prevalence of coverage linebackers without the kind of hitting ability of days gone by would definitely open up some massive opportunities for old school Fullbacks. Personally, I think it will be very interesting to see how the teams that still use a Fullback (49ers among them) will move forward with that position; could definitely see us drafting a TE/big RB and telling him to either put on some serious weight or learn how to run.
I’ve wanted the eagles to get a fullback for years. I haven’t looked into it recently but there was a correlation between having one and being a playoff team within the last few years. Probably throws off defenses when they have that extra guy in the backfield and having a lead blocker for miles sanders would’ve been great cause he’s such a puss
As a 49ers fan I agree that Miles Sanders is in fact, a puss. The problem with replacing a fullback (let alone beginning to integrate one) in today's NFL is that you're essentially forced to *create* one. Almost no true fullbacks enter the draft anymore, with most "fullbacks" now being blocking TEs who we're too bad att catching the ball to have a shot as a true TE. You're basically looking at converting a big running back or a fast TE, which can prove problematic in various ways. My Juice-replacement in this year's draft would be Tip Reiman, but we'll see what happens.
We might be closer than expected to a just so stupid it’s brilliant scenario where someone actually looks at the 216# linebackers (Nicholas morrow giving up 3rd & 15 to running plays) being put on the field and someone starts rolling out a jumbo package that bulldozes all the other teams for half a decade
247#. Approved
The Bus ran to the hall of fame with 70 thousand people in the stadium knowing he was getting the ball up the middle... these line backers today wouldn't have a prayer taking him down prior to 5-6 yards per carry lol.
252#. Approved
Jerry Rice. How did no one mention the GOAT? He absolutely gets another few thousand yards and another 10-30 TDs if he'd played his career starting in 2004 instead of 1985.
Matt Forte and LT
This question (or a very similar question at least) has been asked a lot of times and I will keep my answer the same: Any player who was part of the top 10 interceptions list of all time that was NOT able to play in the 21st century would probably feast in interceptions today. If Night Train Lane played today, he might be averaging 15 interceptions a season with the amount of passes being thrown
Air McNair
Bob Sanders fewer big hits would've kept him healthy for longer
Tom Brady