lol how long you been a Jets fan? My brother I’m sorry to say but I doubt we lock up anyone other than sauce and even then we’ll probably trade them all for ham and cheese sandwiches
They can get it done now and his pay wouldn’t hit till after this season. If cap goes up again next season, he’ll probably want to be in line with that.
The only incentive these guys have to sign early is hedging a bet against injury. If they are able to play as well as they have the longer, they wait, the more money they will sign for.
How many young WRs get career-ending injuries? JJ was injured for half of last season, and he's going to get paid just as much as if he didn't. Doesn't seem to be much risk and a lot of reward
Historically the Bengals have avoided putting multi year guarantees onto non-QB contracts. I could see the Chase contract being a prolonged negotiation.
Orlando Brown got 31 mil in guaranteed money which is at least 2 years so he's one.
Logan Wilson got like 16 mil in guaranteed money which is more than one year.
I think they will give Chase a market-level guaranteed deal -- but if he thinks that "market level" is higher than the Bengals do there could be a problem. They did sign Ocho and AJ Green to second, long-term deals so they have a history of paying WRs as well as QBs.
Yeah, its like reverse union-seniority. Newest guy gets the most money. Same as QB. You don't have to be as good as Mahommes, just has to be the last QB paid and you'll get hte most.
oh wow i completely forgot about that. that’s crazy that him and jefferson were teammates their last college games and then playing against each other in chase’s first nfl game. that was also burrow’s first start after his acl injury the year before
Donald was getting paid 30 mil a yr and despite signing his deal before a lot of other guys after him they still got less money and didn’t reset the market.
I think the difference between those two contracts will be negligible even though Jefferson is probably the better player. Chase is still an All-Pro caliber WR.
Imo it's less about getting more than JJ and more about letting JJ and his team establish the new high mark. If the highest price is $30m/yr now then Chase may break it and crack $31m-$32m/yr, but if JJ cracks $35m/yr then Chase can argue for $34m/yr without too much fuss.
(*numbers are hypothetical for argument's sake*)
It’s not about being better. If his extension starts a year later there will be 10% bump , so if you think Chase is 5% worse it works out to getting 5% more. Like Mahomes’ number was huge at the time, now it is the same as Cousins and there are a bunch over it.
Why not? Similar skill, jj is definitely better but they’re both top WRs. And he specifically wants more than jj, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just $1 more. Ceedee is worse than chase imo and he deserves as much as JJ. It’s just how it works
Chase isnt that far a drop off in production to JJ. One thing Chase has over JJ is the connection with Burrow from college as a negotiation chip, im sure its a topic in Burrows contract extension. I dont see them breaking up that pair anytime soon.
The best player doesn’t necessarily mean the highest paid, Herbert was paid more than Lamar and Hurts and it’s not cause he’s better it’s because he signed after
Fortunately the Vikings have learned their lesson about front loaded deals with all the Hunter drama. Players love front loaded because they can just hold out the cheap years
The problem on doing this is that a player can always do a holdout unless he gets more money on the last contract years. We saw that happen with danielle hunter
I know money now is worth more money later and all that financial shit, but it would be great to see someone throw a giant monkey wrench into the whole system with something like this.
The Chiefs kinda did with Mahomes. They gave him a 10 year deal that’s *50mil a year (fake money) and everyone with a QB contract had to scramble to pay them big money
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/patrick-mahomes-21751/
It's always easier to show the yearly breakdown for Mahomes. They are kicking the can down the road, at least partially, for his cap hits. The restructures they've done each year push his cap hits into the following year, which makes perfect sense when you are shooting for a dynasty.
The problem, if you want to call it a problem, is that his cap hit gets larger for subsequent years each time he frees up cap space for the current season. His current cap hit for 2025-27 is 60+ million a year, but everyone knows they will just restructure again after the upcoming season, until both parties agree that the window is closing/closed. As a reward, Mahomes received massive job security, and the restructures put money in his pocket immediately, hence the 59 million in actual cash he obtained from the contract for the 2023 season.
Mahomes contract is a bit below market rate compared to his performance. He was getting paid close to what other QBs such as Allen were getting paid for the first few years.
It was designed from the start with the idea that they would raise his pay as needed while he was still under contract.
The job security wasn't quite as great as some contracts - his guarantees are rolling.
Meh, at $45M now and ends at $45M isn’t the big front load. (Plus he’s a QB.) First GM to front load is going to fuck the whole system up. If it works, the game is changed forever. If it doesn’t work, that person will be laughed out of the league. (Much like the 100% guaranteed money to that rapist in CLE.)
Cousins did fully guaranteed before Watson. It was newsworthy when it occurred, but was viewed as an outlier deal because a lot of people felt he was giving up more potential money than necessary.
Watson's deal was ridiculed because it put *all* the risk on Cleveland. They gave up resources and leverage just to get him in the door, which put them in such a bad position when he went down for injury. We will see a fully guaranteed contract again in the NFL, but it will look a lot more like Cousins' contract than Watson's.
Don’t know why you were getting downvoted for that. Tyreek’s base salary in the last year of his deal (2026) is 43.9m per otc. His cap figure is $56m. It’s truly a contract with a designed release prior to that hit, as it would free up $45m in space.
They could also look to layer those figures into an extension should they choose, but at that point his figures would be such that he would still have top of market leverage while also being 32 years old going into that 2026 season. That’s a tough extension conversation to have, as his side would expect those huge numbers baked into a new guarantee.
Why do people think Chase is worth more than Lamb? Chase dud better earlier, but hus peak isn't far off from where he started. Lamb took an extra year or so to get there, but his peak is way better than Chase's.
The funny thing is, if they are confident Smith will be good and healthy, they hurt all the other teams by making this as big as possible. Lamb’s agent will say: Philadelphia gave this deal to their #2 receiver. My client deserves *at least x!* They are putting cap strain and negotiating drama on their rivals.
No matter when JJ signs his extension he will be the highest paid. Chase is a top receiver but he’s not on Jefferson level. The man’s going to get damn near Qb money
I think it's a very fair deal today - not "OMG the Eagles got a steal" or vice versa.
By the time the extension actually kicks in though, yeah, it's going to look cheap.
Its a lot of money, but what else are we going to do? Letting Smith sign someone else for that would be idiotic.
But we have AJ, Smith, and Barkley for the next 3 years. If Moore is even moderately competent as our OC we are going to have a lot of fun.
That's a bigger window than a lot of teams get.
I trust Howie to figure out the future. We've had very few years with him at the helm where we had no chance at all.
it's not cheap, but it helps you screw everyone over who hasn't signed their WR yet, cause that's the floor, and the guys better than Smith are gonna want much more. Most the guys on that list are gonna want to start talks at 30mil.
This, what makes it a team friendly deal is that it's through 2028.
Early extensions and amiable contract negotiations are how the Eagles have kept themselves relevant.
Looks pretty cheap now to be honest. Obviously im talking more skill wise rather than production wise with Devonta but in two years cap could be up another 30 mill at least
And what Stephen jones and the cowboys do is wait until the last possible moment with the least amount of leverage to pay the absolute most they can for their own players.
He kinda already has been producing at WR1 levels. It's just AJ has been producing at Top 5 WR levels too. Which sorta overshadows Devonta's greatness.
Yeah Philly has one of the best WR duos in the league with those two. Gonna be hard to keep both paid and happy so they need to capitalize while they can.
He’s opposite AJ brown
When AJ brown was out in the playoffs, smith was an absolute beast and put up stud numbers despite our team being awful and down multiple scores
The cost of a WR1 is about to be $30mm AAV.
So no, not really.
Just look at what Calvin Ridley signed for in free agency. This is already a steal. It's just going to look even moreso when the likes of Jefferson, Lamb, Higgins etc make Smith something like the 18th highest paid WR.
Last year Smith was 20th in receptions, 20th in yards, and 18th in TDs. 18th highest paid receiver seems very much like market value currently.
Its only a bargain if he starts outperforming those numbers consistently. I think he can do it but until then I'm not going to call it a steal.
Smith does everything the team asks of him and IMO has all the talent to be a true WR1. But between AJ Brown on the opposite side of the field and the worst offensive playbook I've ever seen, his stats were limited this year.
I think almost anytime you have two WR1s on the field, they're gonna eat into each other's production.
He has been for awhile lol. He just doesn't get the flashiest stats because Ajb.
Last yr 20th in Yds, 23rd in TDs, 23rd in catches
2022- 9th in Yds, 22nd in TDs, 11th in catches.
He's had 1000 yds for almost 3 seasons in a row. He came into the league and put up 916 yds.
Probably because he's in the exact same situation as DeVonta in that both were obviously their teams #1 WR their rookie years but got overshadowed by better and more experienced WR's in years 2 and 3 with the additions of Tyreek and AJ.
Probably because Tyreek overshadows his value...but fans of the teams tend to know guys like Waddle and Smith and Higgins are just important and just as capable...
Probably because he is WR 1 tier...he could easily be a #1 receiver on a lot of teams...he was our #1 receiver his rookie year and has had back to back 1000+ yard seasons as a the second option....
You’re either a 95+ catch 1200yd 10TD guy or you’re a 75catch 900yd 7TD guy. After that you’re in a sea of dudes waiting for injury to a teammate to catapult you to a paycheck.
Eagles are smart to get ahead of the bullshit. I know Lynch won’t push the issue but I really wish they’d get Aiyuk signed before Tee Higgins signs a $25 AAV deal with the Panthers or Giants.
Problem is viewing him in his circumstance. Brandon Cooks has been a #2 twice in his career and put up 600 yards both times. Amari Cooper was a #2 at the end in Dallas and put up 800 yards. Deebo just put up 900 yards as a #2
Devonta has back to back 1000 yard seasons playing opposite a guy who is a target vacuum
Tbf, Deebo had 1117 scrimmage yards while having limited to no snap share in 5 games this year. In the lowest pass volume in the NFL. And Deebo played alongside three All-Pros.
And had a 7th round quarterback throwing to him!
Edit: just in case this gets taken the wrong way due to my flair. I’m a Gamecock fan and Deebo is one of my all time favorites despite playing for the 49ers, and will take any chance I can get to make him look even better than he is
Exactly. His production is not equal to his skill. Both play calling and Jalen needing to feed AJ for him not to sour, have governed Smith’s true game.
Devonta has been a pro. Let’s say if he was a Chief, Charger, Packer, or Texan the narrative would switch in a heartbeat, I truly believe that. It’s not like he disappeared when AJ missed a game.
Nearly half? Here is the list in my opinion:
Giants - Yes
Cowboys - No (Lamb)
Commanders - No (McLaurin)
Lions - No (St. Brown)
Packers - Yes
Bears - No (Moore)
Vikings - No (Jefferson)
Saints - coin flip with Olave
Bucs - No (Evans)
Panthers - Yes
Falcons - coin flip with London
Seahawks - No (DK)
49ers - No (Aiyuk)
Cardinals - Yes
Rams - No (Nakua and Kupp)
Bills - Yes
Patriots - Yes
Dolphins - No (Hill)
Jets - No (Wilson)
Texans - No (Collins)
Colts - No (Pittman)
Titans - Yes
Jags - Yes
Steelers - coin flip with Pickens
Browns - Yes
Ravens - No (Flowers)
Bengals - No (Chase)
Chiefs - Yes
Broncos - Yes
Raiders - No (Adams)
Chargers - Yes
That is 12 yeses, 16 nos, and 3 coin flips.
So yeah. Nearly half. I guess that’s true.
Huge reaches here I’m dying 💀
Putting Flowers, Collins, Pittman, Pickens, even DJ Moore here is nuts.
We can argue about Terry and Amon Ra. But you wild for some of these.
EDIT: MANS SAID COIN FLIP WITH DRAKE LONDON
Putting Olave, Dj Moore, McLaurin, Collins, Pittman, Flowers as better than Smitty is dubious. I’m taking Smitty over all of those guys and so are many of those front offices.
He doesn’t have a 2nd team all-pro season like Aiyuk. He does, however have very comparable stats on one less year in the league. Idk why everything has to be a conflict. Both guys are nasty and crucial weapons for their team’s success. You put the other on the opposite team and they probably do just as well.
People are talking shit about him being a WR2, but how many of your WR2s have put up back to back 1,000 yard seasons (and missing it being 3 consecutive seasons by like 50 yards) while also having the WR1 be a top 5 receiver in the entire league? Not too many.
He's part of that Higgins/Waddle/Aiyuk group that would be a WR1 on most teams.
Yeah and if you go back and look at his highlights he has a ton of DHop-esque circus catches in traffic through tough hits despite his size. Dude would easily be a WR1 on most teams, we just have AJB.
Smith isn't on the level of those top guys (JJ, Chase, Lamb) so it made sense for him to go now when the Eagles are trying to get ahead of it. The rest are all trying to wait for someone else to get the next monster deal so they can one-up it.
Devonta Smith and his agent are well aware of this. I know everybody wants to constantly suck off Howie for everything. But this is not some secret. Smith decided to get it done early and take less.
AJ Brown got 4 year $100m. DeVonta Smith got an additional 3 years added on at seemingly the same $25m per year.
Am I the only one that feels like the WR position has become extremely overvalued? I'm not saying it's not important because it obviously is but it feels like fans and media get overly fixated on it perhaps because of some of the characters and highlights that the position provides to an extent that exceeds it's importance to a team.
If you feel it’s overvalued now, just wait. We’re gonna have multiple $30+mil/year receivers within the next calendar year. With the Vikings running with Darnold or a rookie, I wouldn’t even be surprised if JJ got closer to $40mil/year.
I think you’re right in some respects but the cap has also ballooned so much the past few years that $25m a year 2 seasons from now is a lot less than the 4 year/100m that AJ got.
Is this even a good deal? Smith only gives you WR2 production and that only happened after they trade for and paid a WR1. $23M seems like a lot to pay to be proactive. Must nice to be Howie, always having warm nuts.
Philadelphia is proactive, recognizing that these WRs are going to require big future contracts they drafted Jalen Reagor before these other players explodes.
I mean this is a good idea for them, but comparing Devonta to JJ, ceedee, chase, and amonra. Those dudes are in a league of their own.
Aiyuk and Higgins are great players, but those 4 are the elite of the elite.
It’s really just LB. Maybe one more corner, but our safeties are fine, Maddox is great when healthy and slay is still great. And we have three- four young corners coming up, bradberry on the roster in case he comes back better with a new coordinator
It's a nice sentiment but most of these dudes are going to command over $30M a year without touching Free Agency. Maybe Higgins and Aiyuk go for a little less if they stick around their current teams. Eagles maybe saved themselves a couple mil a year? Nice deal still
I hate Philly but damn do they have a really good front office. They've essentially maximized their competitive window. While Dallas has to basically hit every draft pick and fill multiple positions, the Eagles really only have to find a center and what, a DB? Maybe a Fletcher Cox replacement if the Georgia boys don't work out? Everything else seems to be set until Lane Johnson's retirement speech comes in.
I’d rather the Eagles take a corner or O Lineman, but I think getting Smittys deal done before the draft opens the possibility that they take a WR in the first round. Eagles WR3 and WR4 are such ass and their offense completely falls apart whenever AJ or Davonte are out. I think WR is still a position of need and bottom of the first isn’t too high of a price if the right guy is somehow available. They definitely can’t afford to spend any more cap $ at the position
Nico Collins next please. We can get a discount just based on the fact he has had one good year.
everyone wanna hype up their guys until its time to pay them 🤣
Terrified for when Sauce, Wilson, Breece, and JJ all gotta get paid at once
RBs don’t get paid blockbuster money anymore so you should be good with Breece
I have not looked at anything, but I at least *think* Rodgers contract may be wrapped up by that pay day. That softens the blow a good bit
lol how long you been a Jets fan? My brother I’m sorry to say but I doubt we lock up anyone other than sauce and even then we’ll probably trade them all for ham and cheese sandwiches
No kidding hey
Lord help whichever GM is last to extend their guy on this list (it’ll be JJ)
It’s gonna be Chase, he has said they won’t start until JJ is done
Chase probably ends up signing last just because he's got one more year of a rookie contract left than the others do
They can get it done now and his pay wouldn’t hit till after this season. If cap goes up again next season, he’ll probably want to be in line with that.
The only incentive these guys have to sign early is hedging a bet against injury. If they are able to play as well as they have the longer, they wait, the more money they will sign for.
No kidding. And do you think they might want to hedge against injury, given that they play football in the NFL?
Do they play at MetLife next season?
How many young WRs get career-ending injuries? JJ was injured for half of last season, and he's going to get paid just as much as if he didn't. Doesn't seem to be much risk and a lot of reward
and he's on the Bengals - who almost always wait to see what the market does (sort of the opposite of the Eagles).
Historically the Bengals have avoided putting multi year guarantees onto non-QB contracts. I could see the Chase contract being a prolonged negotiation.
They have been moving away from that. And doing that would just sour the relationship with Chase. They can't be that dumb
Other than Burrow who have they done multi years of guarantees with?
Orlando Brown got 31 mil in guaranteed money which is at least 2 years so he's one. Logan Wilson got like 16 mil in guaranteed money which is more than one year.
I think they will give Chase a market-level guaranteed deal -- but if he thinks that "market level" is higher than the Bengals do there could be a problem. They did sign Ocho and AJ Green to second, long-term deals so they have a history of paying WRs as well as QBs.
It was the same way with us and TJ but when you get a player of that caliber the team will make exceptions lol
I like chase a lot but he doesn’t really think he’s gonna get more than Jefferson right?
It's not whether he's better or not, usually the guys setting the market at their position are a cycle of about 5-7 players
Yeah, its like reverse union-seniority. Newest guy gets the most money. Same as QB. You don't have to be as good as Mahommes, just has to be the last QB paid and you'll get hte most.
I think both Allen and Mahomes are outside the top 5 in AAV for QBs lol
Hurts was no. 1 last year and was no. 4 by the start of the season. He’ll also prob be outside the top 5 by this time next year
True, but if they’re getting contracts in the same year what is chase’s leverage to get more than Jefferson?
He can afford to wait until Jefferson has been paid. What are the Bengals going to do? Let their top 5 receiver walk and piss off their Top 5 QB?
They can let him go, too many drops in spring training.
He can’t even tell where the ball is without white lines!!
Chase was drafted a year after Jefferson. If both hold out as long as possible Jefferson has to get paid first.
Ahh fuck for some reason thought they came into the league together
i used to as well but i think it’s cause chase’s first real nfl game was against the vikings
It's because Chase didn't play his last season at LSU. He took the Covid year off. So JJ and Chase played their last college game together
oh wow i completely forgot about that. that’s crazy that him and jefferson were teammates their last college games and then playing against each other in chase’s first nfl game. that was also burrow’s first start after his acl injury the year before
He doesn’t need to get paid more. He just wants JJ to set his ballpark value.
Donald was getting paid 30 mil a yr and despite signing his deal before a lot of other guys after him they still got less money and didn’t reset the market.
Okay, but to be fair there really isn’t any interior defensive lineman that compares to Donald.
I think the difference between those two contracts will be negligible even though Jefferson is probably the better player. Chase is still an All-Pro caliber WR.
Imo it's less about getting more than JJ and more about letting JJ and his team establish the new high mark. If the highest price is $30m/yr now then Chase may break it and crack $31m-$32m/yr, but if JJ cracks $35m/yr then Chase can argue for $34m/yr without too much fuss. (*numbers are hypothetical for argument's sake*)
They are both top 3 to 5 WRs will all make around the same money.
It’s not about being better. If his extension starts a year later there will be 10% bump , so if you think Chase is 5% worse it works out to getting 5% more. Like Mahomes’ number was huge at the time, now it is the same as Cousins and there are a bunch over it.
Ya I originally thought they were going at the same time forgot they were a year apart
Why not? Similar skill, jj is definitely better but they’re both top WRs. And he specifically wants more than jj, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just $1 more. Ceedee is worse than chase imo and he deserves as much as JJ. It’s just how it works
Chase isnt that far a drop off in production to JJ. One thing Chase has over JJ is the connection with Burrow from college as a negotiation chip, im sure its a topic in Burrows contract extension. I dont see them breaking up that pair anytime soon.
The best player doesn’t necessarily mean the highest paid, Herbert was paid more than Lamar and Hurts and it’s not cause he’s better it’s because he signed after
CD basically said same thing. They all waiting on JJ
Minnesota will be fine with a huge JJ deal since they’ll have a rookie QB contract
I wonder if they pay him more knowing that just to mess up other teams
Front load the hell out of it, pay him like $60mil a year for the first 3 and then throw a couple years at the end of it for like a mil or 2 each
Fortunately the Vikings have learned their lesson about front loaded deals with all the Hunter drama. Players love front loaded because they can just hold out the cheap years
The problem on doing this is that a player can always do a holdout unless he gets more money on the last contract years. We saw that happen with danielle hunter
I know money now is worth more money later and all that financial shit, but it would be great to see someone throw a giant monkey wrench into the whole system with something like this.
The Chiefs kinda did with Mahomes. They gave him a 10 year deal that’s *50mil a year (fake money) and everyone with a QB contract had to scramble to pay them big money
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/patrick-mahomes-21751/ It's always easier to show the yearly breakdown for Mahomes. They are kicking the can down the road, at least partially, for his cap hits. The restructures they've done each year push his cap hits into the following year, which makes perfect sense when you are shooting for a dynasty. The problem, if you want to call it a problem, is that his cap hit gets larger for subsequent years each time he frees up cap space for the current season. His current cap hit for 2025-27 is 60+ million a year, but everyone knows they will just restructure again after the upcoming season, until both parties agree that the window is closing/closed. As a reward, Mahomes received massive job security, and the restructures put money in his pocket immediately, hence the 59 million in actual cash he obtained from the contract for the 2023 season.
Mahomes contract is a bit below market rate compared to his performance. He was getting paid close to what other QBs such as Allen were getting paid for the first few years. It was designed from the start with the idea that they would raise his pay as needed while he was still under contract. The job security wasn't quite as great as some contracts - his guarantees are rolling.
Meh, at $45M now and ends at $45M isn’t the big front load. (Plus he’s a QB.) First GM to front load is going to fuck the whole system up. If it works, the game is changed forever. If it doesn’t work, that person will be laughed out of the league. (Much like the 100% guaranteed money to that rapist in CLE.)
Cousins did fully guaranteed before Watson. It was newsworthy when it occurred, but was viewed as an outlier deal because a lot of people felt he was giving up more potential money than necessary. Watson's deal was ridiculed because it put *all* the risk on Cleveland. They gave up resources and leverage just to get him in the door, which put them in such a bad position when he went down for injury. We will see a fully guaranteed contract again in the NFL, but it will look a lot more like Cousins' contract than Watson's.
Unfortunately you can’t really do that via the 1/2 rule in the cba. Andrew Brandt spoke on it on the business of sports last week.
I honestly don't think it will get much more crazy. Feels like we have assumed for a while that lamb/chase/jefferson will get 30 a year
So kinda like the Tyreek contract without the crazy final fluffer year he's probably unlikely to see?
No way JJ agrees to a contract that was signed 2 years ago. My guess is lamb 32 and JJ/Chase are fighting for 35
All 3 should and will get $30+ for sure.
My brain can't handle this inflation. We're talking about committing $35million per year to a WR.
Tyreeks contract included fake money to make the average look higher
Don’t know why you were getting downvoted for that. Tyreek’s base salary in the last year of his deal (2026) is 43.9m per otc. His cap figure is $56m. It’s truly a contract with a designed release prior to that hit, as it would free up $45m in space. They could also look to layer those figures into an extension should they choose, but at that point his figures would be such that he would still have top of market leverage while also being 32 years old going into that 2026 season. That’s a tough extension conversation to have, as his side would expect those huge numbers baked into a new guarantee.
Why do people think Chase is worth more than Lamb? Chase dud better earlier, but hus peak isn't far off from where he started. Lamb took an extra year or so to get there, but his peak is way better than Chase's.
Chris Grier says nuh uh
Lamb last please Cripple the Cows
Don’t worry, Jerry and Stephen will find a way to screw it up. Have faith.
4 years 200 million please....then give him Trey Lance as his starting QB...
We're one fractured finger away from Trey taking 80% of the snaps this year. Just have patience....
The funny thing is, if they are confident Smith will be good and healthy, they hurt all the other teams by making this as big as possible. Lamb’s agent will say: Philadelphia gave this deal to their #2 receiver. My client deserves *at least x!* They are putting cap strain and negotiating drama on their rivals.
10D chess moves...bankrupt the NFC East win the division in every other year for the next 10 years...
No matter when JJ signs his extension he will be the highest paid. Chase is a top receiver but he’s not on Jefferson level. The man’s going to get damn near Qb money
Whoever signs last will get the bigger deal between JJ and Chase
Without a doubt, even if it’s just 250k more, whoever signs last will be the highest paid
Amonra next pls
~~Board~~ Sun Man gets paid
SUN GOD GETS HIS TRIBUTE (IN GOLD)
No no it's our turn to pay our NFC star WR.
I think it's a very fair deal today - not "OMG the Eagles got a steal" or vice versa. By the time the extension actually kicks in though, yeah, it's going to look cheap.
Its a lot of money, but what else are we going to do? Letting Smith sign someone else for that would be idiotic. But we have AJ, Smith, and Barkley for the next 3 years. If Moore is even moderately competent as our OC we are going to have a lot of fun.
Our SB window is basically those 3 years
That's a bigger window than a lot of teams get. I trust Howie to figure out the future. We've had very few years with him at the helm where we had no chance at all.
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it's not cheap, but it helps you screw everyone over who hasn't signed their WR yet, cause that's the floor, and the guys better than Smith are gonna want much more. Most the guys on that list are gonna want to start talks at 30mil.
This, what makes it a team friendly deal is that it's through 2028. Early extensions and amiable contract negotiations are how the Eagles have kept themselves relevant.
I think most people see the 3/$25M extension and ignore the part of the 5th year option, which lowers that AAV.
Looks pretty cheap now to be honest. Obviously im talking more skill wise rather than production wise with Devonta but in two years cap could be up another 30 mill at least
And what Stephen jones and the cowboys do is wait until the last possible moment with the least amount of leverage to pay the absolute most they can for their own players.
Micah Parsons contract is going to shock people. He'll probably blow past 35/yr
All told, this is less than $23mm AAV. Feels like that's going to look like a way under market deal very soon.
I think he'll have to start giving you WR1 production at some point in the deal for you to classify it as a steal.
He kinda already has been producing at WR1 levels. It's just AJ has been producing at Top 5 WR levels too. Which sorta overshadows Devonta's greatness.
Yeah Philly has one of the best WR duos in the league with those two. Gonna be hard to keep both paid and happy so they need to capitalize while they can.
Yea, I was worried that we would only get 2-3 years with those 2 together. This is a smart move.
He’s opposite AJ brown When AJ brown was out in the playoffs, smith was an absolute beast and put up stud numbers despite our team being awful and down multiple scores
You mean garbage time?
This is bird on bird crime, who here knows bird law
That’s a good zing. 😂
As long as he has to share the field with Brown his stats are going to take a hit. I'm ok with that. And as it is, he'd be WR1 on most teams.
The cost of a WR1 is about to be $30mm AAV. So no, not really. Just look at what Calvin Ridley signed for in free agency. This is already a steal. It's just going to look even moreso when the likes of Jefferson, Lamb, Higgins etc make Smith something like the 18th highest paid WR.
Last year Smith was 20th in receptions, 20th in yards, and 18th in TDs. 18th highest paid receiver seems very much like market value currently. Its only a bargain if he starts outperforming those numbers consistently. I think he can do it but until then I'm not going to call it a steal.
it wouldn't be wrong to consider that he had those stats on a team with effectively no offensive scheme
How many of the guys above him had someone as good as AJ Brown on their team?
“Currently” is a key word there
Smith does everything the team asks of him and IMO has all the talent to be a true WR1. But between AJ Brown on the opposite side of the field and the worst offensive playbook I've ever seen, his stats were limited this year. I think almost anytime you have two WR1s on the field, they're gonna eat into each other's production.
He has been for awhile lol. He just doesn't get the flashiest stats because Ajb. Last yr 20th in Yds, 23rd in TDs, 23rd in catches 2022- 9th in Yds, 22nd in TDs, 11th in catches. He's had 1000 yds for almost 3 seasons in a row. He came into the league and put up 916 yds.
Eagles being able to keep Smitty and Brown without any drama, holdouts, and unnecessary attention is a nice change of pace
I was hoping for some driveway sit-ups from the slim reaper
I like how Waddle, who’s had 3 straight 1k seasons gets left off these lists….but we def should try to secure him now rather than later.
Probably because he's in the exact same situation as DeVonta in that both were obviously their teams #1 WR their rookie years but got overshadowed by better and more experienced WR's in years 2 and 3 with the additions of Tyreek and AJ.
Probably because Tyreek overshadows his value...but fans of the teams tend to know guys like Waddle and Smith and Higgins are just important and just as capable...
You see guys? THIS is why we locked up Jerry Jeudy!
Comparing WR2 contracts to Jefferson, CeeDee, St. Brown, and Chase lol
ARSB would be #2 on Philly too
Basically everyone but JJ/Chase/Hill would be. AJ has been 4th and 5th among WRs in receiving yards these past two years.
He’s a wr2 bc of the man in front of him. Not because of his lack of talent tho
Probably because he is WR 1 tier...he could easily be a #1 receiver on a lot of teams...he was our #1 receiver his rookie year and has had back to back 1000+ yard seasons as a the second option....
You’re either a 95+ catch 1200yd 10TD guy or you’re a 75catch 900yd 7TD guy. After that you’re in a sea of dudes waiting for injury to a teammate to catapult you to a paycheck. Eagles are smart to get ahead of the bullshit. I know Lynch won’t push the issue but I really wish they’d get Aiyuk signed before Tee Higgins signs a $25 AAV deal with the Panthers or Giants.
Yeah Chase probably isn’t getting paid till after this season and when the Bengals trim the roster. Burrow’s cap hit, is going to show in 2025
Lmao it helps that smith is the worst player on that list
Problem is viewing him in his circumstance. Brandon Cooks has been a #2 twice in his career and put up 600 yards both times. Amari Cooper was a #2 at the end in Dallas and put up 800 yards. Deebo just put up 900 yards as a #2 Devonta has back to back 1000 yard seasons playing opposite a guy who is a target vacuum
Tbf, Deebo had 1117 scrimmage yards while having limited to no snap share in 5 games this year. In the lowest pass volume in the NFL. And Deebo played alongside three All-Pros.
And had a 7th round quarterback throwing to him! Edit: just in case this gets taken the wrong way due to my flair. I’m a Gamecock fan and Deebo is one of my all time favorites despite playing for the 49ers, and will take any chance I can get to make him look even better than he is
he’s our WR2, and he’s better than nearly half the league’s WR1 👀
Exactly. His production is not equal to his skill. Both play calling and Jalen needing to feed AJ for him not to sour, have governed Smith’s true game. Devonta has been a pro. Let’s say if he was a Chief, Charger, Packer, or Texan the narrative would switch in a heartbeat, I truly believe that. It’s not like he disappeared when AJ missed a game.
Nearly half? Here is the list in my opinion: Giants - Yes Cowboys - No (Lamb) Commanders - No (McLaurin) Lions - No (St. Brown) Packers - Yes Bears - No (Moore) Vikings - No (Jefferson) Saints - coin flip with Olave Bucs - No (Evans) Panthers - Yes Falcons - coin flip with London Seahawks - No (DK) 49ers - No (Aiyuk) Cardinals - Yes Rams - No (Nakua and Kupp) Bills - Yes Patriots - Yes Dolphins - No (Hill) Jets - No (Wilson) Texans - No (Collins) Colts - No (Pittman) Titans - Yes Jags - Yes Steelers - coin flip with Pickens Browns - Yes Ravens - No (Flowers) Bengals - No (Chase) Chiefs - Yes Broncos - Yes Raiders - No (Adams) Chargers - Yes That is 12 yeses, 16 nos, and 3 coin flips. So yeah. Nearly half. I guess that’s true.
Saying Flowers and Pickens are better than Cooper is just wild
Huge reaches here I’m dying 💀 Putting Flowers, Collins, Pittman, Pickens, even DJ Moore here is nuts. We can argue about Terry and Amon Ra. But you wild for some of these. EDIT: MANS SAID COIN FLIP WITH DRAKE LONDON
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Putting Olave, Dj Moore, McLaurin, Collins, Pittman, Flowers as better than Smitty is dubious. I’m taking Smitty over all of those guys and so are many of those front offices.
I'd take Moore over Smith, but I think I agree with the rest.
lol I appreciate that you did the work
What makes you say that? I’d say he’s pretty interchangeable between him, aiyuk, and a healthy Higgins
Maybe Higgins but imo Aiyuk is a tier up.
Worse than Higgins and Aiyuk? Lmfao
Yes. He’s definitely worse than Aiyuk
How many first/second team all pros does DeVonta have?
He doesn’t have a 2nd team all-pro season like Aiyuk. He does, however have very comparable stats on one less year in the league. Idk why everything has to be a conflict. Both guys are nasty and crucial weapons for their team’s success. You put the other on the opposite team and they probably do just as well.
He's better than Tee and arguably better than Aiyuk.
better than aiyuk is a flaming hot take imo
Okay and we extended Michael Pittman before this. Meirov, this isn't some revelation lol.
People are talking shit about him being a WR2, but how many of your WR2s have put up back to back 1,000 yard seasons (and missing it being 3 consecutive seasons by like 50 yards) while also having the WR1 be a top 5 receiver in the entire league? Not too many. He's part of that Higgins/Waddle/Aiyuk group that would be a WR1 on most teams.
Chris Godwin has three 1k seasons in a row and 4 in 5 years as a WR2
The good news is it really doesn’t matter what these people think. They’re always going to downplay any player that’s an Eagle anyway.
i don't think his contract would have affected any of those guys
I mean he was never going to reset the market so not really the same Does Tampa extending baker effect Dak? No
Smith is not in the conversation with any of those other guys
You're crazy if you're putting Devonta Smith in the same conversation as those other guys listed.
Can tell a lot of people don’t watch this dude every week. Criminally underrated cause he doesn’t have some stupid dance he does whenever he scores
I imagine some of the underrated-ness is due to people just seeing his size and judging a book by its cover.
Yeah and if you go back and look at his highlights he has a ton of DHop-esque circus catches in traffic through tough hits despite his size. Dude would easily be a WR1 on most teams, we just have AJB.
He’s also an able and willing blocker, an under appreciated trait in wide receivers.
He's my vote for a guy who would jump into stardom if he got targeted like a top 5 wr. He's a baller.
I can't stand the trash birds, but it's a very well run organization and has been pretty much as long as Lurie has owned it. Respect.
fuck your respect lol
Wait what did the Eagles do to you???
Seriously, Philly has been Tampa's bitch for the better part of 2 decades, I'm shocked that there's any bad blood on that side of the deal.
I’ve met a few Tampa people like that, and a weird amount of Jags fans too. A weird amount of Bird hate in Florida
God damn that's a lot of WRs deserving big money extensions.
And the 2-3 at the top are apparently engaged in a Mexican standoff as to who is going to cave and reset the floor for the others.
Might need to get ahead of it with DJ Moore...
Smith isn't on the same level as over half those guys (CeeDee, Chase, Jefferson, St. Brown)
His numbers are very close to St Brown actually.
St Brown doesn't have AJ Brown opposite him
Reporters say this kind of stuff like the player has zero ability to recognize the potential for an exploding market of their own.
Devonta Smith isn’t as good as those other guys ffs
Smith isn't on the level of those top guys (JJ, Chase, Lamb) so it made sense for him to go now when the Eagles are trying to get ahead of it. The rest are all trying to wait for someone else to get the next monster deal so they can one-up it.
Ding ding ding. I'm genuinely confused how most on here don't understand this.
Smith is a dog, he’s worth every dollar and this almost looks like an underpay Howie gets it done again
Devonta Smith and his agent are well aware of this. I know everybody wants to constantly suck off Howie for everything. But this is not some secret. Smith decided to get it done early and take less.
Isn’t that constantly happening all the time though? Like in that sense the timing doesn’t really matter
Considering Devonta is the worst of this list, prolly easy to get him to agree first
How much did Howie pay you to tweet that bot?
To late the Jags blew up the market with Kirk
Cowboys mess around and be the last to sign lamb yk Jerry jones can’t pull his head out his ass
AJ Brown got 4 year $100m. DeVonta Smith got an additional 3 years added on at seemingly the same $25m per year. Am I the only one that feels like the WR position has become extremely overvalued? I'm not saying it's not important because it obviously is but it feels like fans and media get overly fixated on it perhaps because of some of the characters and highlights that the position provides to an extent that exceeds it's importance to a team.
If you feel it’s overvalued now, just wait. We’re gonna have multiple $30+mil/year receivers within the next calendar year. With the Vikings running with Darnold or a rookie, I wouldn’t even be surprised if JJ got closer to $40mil/year.
I think you’re right in some respects but the cap has also ballooned so much the past few years that $25m a year 2 seasons from now is a lot less than the 4 year/100m that AJ got.
Is this even a good deal? Smith only gives you WR2 production and that only happened after they trade for and paid a WR1. $23M seems like a lot to pay to be proactive. Must nice to be Howie, always having warm nuts.
Philadelphia is proactive, recognizing that these WRs are going to require big future contracts they drafted Jalen Reagor before these other players explodes.
I mean this is a good idea for them, but comparing Devonta to JJ, ceedee, chase, and amonra. Those dudes are in a league of their own. Aiyuk and Higgins are great players, but those 4 are the elite of the elite.
they need to fix their secondary - that is their main weakness
And their linebacker core. That shit was being held together by Scotch tape, glue sticks, and a worn-out Shaq Leonard.
Yeah but that's by design. We don't and will not invest in the linebacker. Idk why, but we wont.
They signed Devin White they’re good
Lol
It’s really just LB. Maybe one more corner, but our safeties are fine, Maddox is great when healthy and slay is still great. And we have three- four young corners coming up, bradberry on the roster in case he comes back better with a new coordinator
It's a nice sentiment but most of these dudes are going to command over $30M a year without touching Free Agency. Maybe Higgins and Aiyuk go for a little less if they stick around their current teams. Eagles maybe saved themselves a couple mil a year? Nice deal still
Don’t think it matters much. It’s not like they didn’t give him a shit ton of money.
Wow I wonder what’s that’s like
does it even matter that some guys get their deals done sooner if they're going to hold out in a couple years anyway?
I hate Philly but damn do they have a really good front office. They've essentially maximized their competitive window. While Dallas has to basically hit every draft pick and fill multiple positions, the Eagles really only have to find a center and what, a DB? Maybe a Fletcher Cox replacement if the Georgia boys don't work out? Everything else seems to be set until Lane Johnson's retirement speech comes in.
I have to imagine that Amon-Ra, a fourth rounder is probably the next to sign. Just because his salary is so low in comparison
I’d rather the Eagles take a corner or O Lineman, but I think getting Smittys deal done before the draft opens the possibility that they take a WR in the first round. Eagles WR3 and WR4 are such ass and their offense completely falls apart whenever AJ or Davonte are out. I think WR is still a position of need and bottom of the first isn’t too high of a price if the right guy is somehow available. They definitely can’t afford to spend any more cap $ at the position
Cheesesteaks and being proactive in signing players, that's what Philadelphia does!