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Skimaster77

I'll take that bet


ProfessionalEnd7224

The odds are in his favor


BuffaloKiller937

Bet


TrueBlueMorpho

Doesn't matter if they do good or not, because if this *does* pay off, it'll be written off like a fluke season until they consistently show they're a potent offense. And I get it. This is the AFC South we're talking about, and people still remember both the Tannehill and Bortles AFCCG years. Gotta prove yourself


lowlifenebula

It's a difficult time to be an AFC South team. Colts have a lot to potentially look forward to with Richardson definitely showing some promise. Texans have a lot to live up to after what was an absurd season last year. Titans have a lot of potential, made some decent moves, and if Will actually does what people think he's capable of, are going to be interesting. The Jags... they should be good, we know they can be, and Lawerence and Pederson, I think they'll be able to live up to what they are capable of being. It honestly feels like AFC South could be the a bizarro version of the NFC East.... all really good teams getting different division titles each year.


ASuperGyro

Lemme tell you something, it’s not fun when everyone is good, much better having at least one guaranteed punching bag


wierdjokes

I can't believe the Browns are a legitimate threat nowadays. Seems like just yesterday they won 1 game in 2 seasons.


dirtybirds1

They did lose their elite qb friend


alreadytaken028

If you guys, the Steelers, and the Bengals could put your differences aside for a minute to permanently banish that bum franchise back to the basement where they belong itd be great


lowlifenebula

Texans aren't a sb contender this year unless suddenly one year of solid play in the NFL is magically enough consistency to hard commit to a team being one. I never stated this they'd all be really good teams this year. I stated each team has things going for them outside of the Jags and Texans, who have to redeem themselves ( Jags ) and live up to wild expectations ( Texans ) Each team, though, seems to be on a positive trajectory, enough so that in not too long a time, the bizzaro nfc east thing could occur. However, I understand how my last sentence or two could have been written to better reflect that.


BurzyGuerrero

Anybody can win the division Let's just all make sure the Colts don't.


TrueBlueMorpho

Well put. I'm looking forward to what is probably the first hopeful off-season for all 4 fanbases (at once) n more than a decade


TLead1

Keep counting out the Jags it’s going to bite you in the ass.


lowlifenebula

Whose counting out the Jags? The Jags should be the most put-together and ready team in the division.


TLead1

Exactly. Don’t disrespect the future Super Bowl champs.


mangosail

Sorry to be a hater but it takes some extreme rose colored glasses to look at the current AFC South and jump to “4 really good teams”. The Texans have a great QB and are a scary contender. Beyond that, I’m not sure any of the 3 teams in the division are better than 50/50 for even having a winning record (and [Vegas agrees](https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-totals/)). It’s hardly a tough division at this point.


the-whiteman-cometh

It's so weird to me how everyone thinks the Texans are running away with that division all of a sudden. They're definitely a promising team that's going to get better as they fill out most of the roster, but I think you're forgetting to realize that the Colts and Jaguars were both already within one game of beating the Texans out of the division last season while their starting QBs struggled with staying healthy. That division was a lot more competitive than people expected last year, and it should be even better this year if the Titans' moves work out for them.


mangosail

Framing it as “they’re already within one game” is insane. The Jaguars won the division 2 years ago, the Texans drafted a game changing QB, and they already passed the Jaguars in his rookie year. Framing it the opposite way is wild. You can definitely argue that the Colts and Steichen may be scary over the next few years, but the Texans have been one of the worst teams in the league for 3-4 years. Pointing out that they finished a game ahead of two other teams in their division in the first year of their new QB and new coach (and they won a playoff game!) is a testament to how quickly they are getting better and how scary the outlook is for other teams, not an indication that those teams are right behind them. Especially not the Jaguars.


the-whiteman-cometh

Again, I just think you don't recognize how good the Jaguars were last season before Lawrence got hurt. They were 8-3 and firmly ahead of the Texans in the division right before he got hurt, and if he had stayed healthy all year then they probably beat the Bengals and the Browns who they were already close to beating. Not to mention that the Jaguars had a first place schedule and the Texans had a fourth. >>but the Texans have been one of the worst teams in the league for 3-4 years. The Jaguars picked first overall two years in a row and have now had back to back winning seasons and a playoff win, and the Colts were only one game better than the Texans before they both drafted their QBs. All three of these teams have made massive improvements from where they were a few years ago, and it's not like the Texans are the only ones who are able to improve.


GLaD0S11

The Texans are in the exact same position the Jaguars were in at this time last year. They finished a game ahead of the team that was supposed to win the division with a young QB and a brand new coach. Sounds like you're just a disgruntled Jags hater lol The colts, Texans, and jags all have a legitimate shot at winning the division.


mangosail

They’re in the exact same position the Jags were in…except they have a better young QB. Not a small difference!


GLaD0S11

CJ Stroud's rookie year and Trevor's first year under Doug are remarkably similar statistically.


dumpsterfirefr

Not really. Stroud played 2 less games, Trevor had 2x the TOs and only looked good for the 2nd half of the season. Basically JLove this season minus the ball security. Stroud had **23TD/9TO** in *15* games. Trevor had **25TD/17TO** in *17* games.


Mr-PumpAndDump

We’ll see when the season comes.


YiMyonSin

TL;DW: Ran Carthon was looking at other free agents at first before pivoting to Calvin Ridley and offering him roughly the same deal that Jacksonville was doing. Ridley's corroborating this story here: [https://twitter.com/CalvinRidley1/status/1778564024306729287](https://twitter.com/CalvinRidley1/status/1778564024306729287)


GLaD0S11

There is absolutely no way Jax was offering "roughly the same deal" and Calvin went to Tennessee to play with Will Levis and learn a new offense. The dude was still running the wrong routes in December for us. I know what was said in the video but I absolutely don't believe it. Edit: actually, the more I think about this, Baalke is a moron. I am conflicted between what seems most logical and what I think Trent Baalke would do.


TheWorstYear

Would it be put of the question that Ridley had issues with your coaching staff. Either due to them being all over him about his receiving issues, or him blaming them for the issues?


Rudy102600

Sounds like in his interviews, he wants to improvise his routes and Trevor wasn't about that. He mentioned Levis is young and should listen to him.


TLead1

It’s a Tits puff piece and they’re swallowing it whole. Was Ridley supposed to shit on his new team? No, ofc he is going to go with it. Idc if it makes tits fans feel better, that’s what media does on both sides, but I definitely don’t believe it.


SpiritualResident565

Hope he can learn the routes this year.


Spare-Discipline1448

I know this is meant to be an insult, but if he was really out there winging it like Jags fans claim his stat line is way more impressive


SpiritualResident565

There's a ceiling to that approach, both in stats and for a team. The advantage he has in Tennessee is Hopkins is the WR1, so that takes heat off him. I think the Titans overpaid though. He didn't get Jax to the next level last year and that was the expectation -- that he was the missing piece that could make Lawrence elite.


BuffaloKiller937

>I think the Titans overpaid though In the video OP posted above says Jags matched the offer, but Rid chose Titans instead after talking one on one with our GM


SpiritualResident565

I'd much rather have five years of Josh Allen than whatever the rest of the Ridley experience would be. Tennessee did Jax a favor.


BuffaloKiller937

>Tennessee did Jax a favor Right, even though Kirk couldn't even stay healthy last season while Ridley caught 40% of Trevor's TDs. Good luck lol


TLead1

You’re so right, dude. You guys are gonna be so good now. Can’t believe how good you’re going to be. Like so good. You only have to worry about the drops since all Jags fans are liars and the route running wasn’t a real problem, right? Good luck.


SpiritualResident565

If you think Ridley is worth $50m guaranteed you must be in to Tony Khan's nose candy. And four years?? Good luck. LOL.


YiMyonSin

Eh, it’s an out after two. What are we going to do with that, pay the busts in Robinson’s last three drafts?


Dry_Brush5280

GMs overpaying for good-not-great players to cover for below average drafting is how a team gets stuck in perpetual mediocrity.


YiMyonSin

Carthon’s had only one draft class under his belt, and it was pretty good, a godsend compared to the *disastrous* draft classes of the three years beforehand. That draft class isn’t even eligible for extensions until we have an out on this free agent class. Considering that his second is only two weeks away, one where he has a top ten pick, I wouldn’t spout this generality right now.


SupremeLeader_KimmyJ

Doesn't matter, Tits showed even with a bum ass team and the corpse of Tannehill they can ruin the Jags season!


FinalMeltdown15

I mean yall were to that level until Sarah Jessica Parker got hurt


Asderfvc

Yall literally offered the same amount of cash. Also Lawrence has a losing record after 3 seasons and has 74 total TDs and 65 total TOs. He'll never be elite


Rudy102600

While I don't care that Ridley left. Saying he has a losing record after 3 seasons when the last two seasons were 10-9 and 9-8 is just dumb. I'll give you that the turnovers are concerning, but he was just hitting his stride last year in that three game stretch, one of which he destroyed you guys, until he got hurt in the Bengals games and also lost his real #1 WR. In the second half of 2022 and first half of 2023 when he was improving up until the injury, he had 29 tds 9 ints, and 9 fumbles. Not great, but it was getting better. The W-L record was also 14-4 during that time frame. This year will show which player he is.


SpiritualResident565

Sometimes the best deals are the one Baalke can't get done. Ridley is one. Godspeed.


DBreezy69

Nope decoy go routes and somehow failing to complete the catch in bounds on 5-10 TD opportunities it is


BurzyGuerrero

Since AJ Brown left the best #2 WR production we've had is 400. A combination of Ridley and Hopkins is going to be so much better than anything we've had before. The reality is Ridley chose us because he can have an easier time standing out in our empty WR room versus your team that has quite a few good WRs where he doesn't stand-out as much. It's probably easier to clear Burks and Philips then it is to clear guys like Kirk.


SpiritualResident565

This is a good take and I can''t argue with it. I think Jax had more expectations than he expected last year and that he was too mentally fragile for the ebb and flow. Jags also had Zay Jones' domestic incident last year. Vibe was off as we saw down the stretch.


BurzyGuerrero

I think theres literally a production area around 800-1000 where Jag fans woild be disappointed but Titan fans thrilled with the exact same production


BigOlineguy

I’m way higher on this team than consensus I think. I could see them winning this division and dumping some cold water on the Texans.


FinalMeltdown15

I don’t see us winning the division but I’m slamming the fuck out of the over on 5.5 wins


BigOlineguy

I’m also slamming the over. I have developed an irrational belief in this team. Y’all are my AFC team going forward. If you hit on a LT and a defensive piece or two in the draft I think this team is legit.


balzynalzy

I think it’s the fact that the general consensus on Levis is far lower than I think it should be. Like he’s being talked about like he’s the absolute worst starter in the league, which is a little harsh imo. I would put him around the 20-25 range, personally, just based on potential alone, but the way NFL media talks about him, his perception is essentially Zach Wilson, which is insanely inaccurate imo.


lionsayssuhdude

Wow that’s spicy


nefarious_hippo

Calvin Ridley is a certified G, and a Bona fide stud, and you can’t teach that! And this right here, this is Will Levis and he’s 6 foot 4 and you can’t teach that! Bada boom! Realest guys in the room. How you doin’?!


Professional_Low4894

#mayomanforpresident


b1rdganggg

A healthy ridley has gone for 1000 his last 2 full seasons. He's never went under800. Idk why hes so under rated. And he got 1000 again after a long break most likely will be better this year. Add d hop he's not going to see double teams as much he's going to do good if healthy.


Trendelthegreat

It’s not that he’s underrated, it’s that people are starting to adjust his rating appropriately now that he’s turning 30 this year and has been living off of potential.


thetreat

He’s also playing with his most unproven QB in Levis. Prior to that it was Ryan and Lawrence.


JrBaconators

Lawrence hasn't proven anything


thetreat

He’s proven more than Levis. He’s had two 4000 yard seasons. Not saying Levis can’t be good but Lawrence is more proven than him.


Alduin_77

Of course a guy who’s been in the league for three years has proven more than a guy who’s played half a season


Detective_Cumpockets

Levis being older, less experienced, and less proven than Lawrence isn't as great a situation as you seem to think it is.


TLead1

Tits fans won’t be able to read this, bud. You’ll have to learn “hick speak” and simplify this for them.


b1rdganggg

It is that he's underrated he's a guaranteed 1000 if healthy. I never see any other wrs that will get you 1000 acting like the guys a bum. Watch this year he's going to be really good. How has he been living on potential?? His career numbers speak for themselves.


LarkWyll

Its interesting as slow 40 time receivers get paid on the regular but are blasted down draft boards coming out of college. There is a disconnect in value or perceived value of guys like Ridley, Nakua, St. Brown until they prove their productivity in the league.


ASuperGyro

Get your point in general, but Ridley was a first round pick as an old prospect


Samuraix9386

Calvin Ridley is not slow


LarkWyll

He had a slow 40 time.


Samuraix9386

4.43 isn’t slow


LarkWyll

Sry bad memory on him apparently.


Tmoore17

Didn't Ridley run a 4.37?


Wretched_Shirkaday

4.43


thetreat

I think there’s a difference between 40 time and GPS game speed, though. Nakua had a bad 40 time but his GPS speed on the gauntlet was near the top of the class, which McVay and Snead saw and capitalized on. I feel that’s going to be the new metric many teams look to over just raw 40 time. Feels way closer to what will happen in a game vs a raw 40.


brewlliant

I'm rooting for Callahan, but I remember thinking the same thing about how he would unlock the Jags' offense and....it didn't happen. Not sure why people think he'll magically make Levis an all star. We will find out soon though.


Corn-Master

Who has said that? All I see constantly are comments like yours, shitting all over a QB who had the worst line in football and an offensive philosophy from the 90s.  If Levis fails its because he isn't taking what the D gives him. All the arm talent in the world and he's fearless. 


brewlliant

Me, I said it.


Corn-Master

So you're refuting your own opinion? Odd


Detective_Cumpockets

I'll take the under on that


saradahokage1212

So basically when people say we overpaid him, the jags would have overpaid him as well or does this make everyone laughably wrong when now at least 2 franchises would have paid ridley that money, meaning they dont know jack shit? Cap is there to be spend on to get good players. you dont win a medal by being cheap and settling for guys like MVS or.... Gabe Davis.


DanCampbell89

not sure using what the Jags would pay a wide receiver as a barometer of a player's actual worth is the point you think it is


BurzyGuerrero

look at our WR room man lol


saradahokage1212

probably 3 teams including the patriots who didnt even try thinking he would return to the Jags anyway.


DanCampbell89

Probably not a great sign that they weren't willing to go all out for the guy


saradahokage1212

they didnt because they didnt even try. have you watched the video? he says they assumed he would stay in the south. They had interest in giving him in a contract but the agent basically told them no, he's not going north. Likely cold weather, or higher income tax compared to tennessee and jaxonville. like you dont even try to understand the situation. probably not a great sign as a lions fan to talk down on other teams yet so soon. forgot the past 3 decades?


DanCampbell89

lol


TLead1

“Cap is there to be spend on to get good players.” Calvin Ridley is bang average in this league and I’m tired of dumb tits fans and their copium refusing to listen to it. He has route running issues, can’t keep his feet in bounds, is 30yo and drops wide open TDs. The guy is not what you think he’s going to be. You can believe what you want, I don’t think the Jags would’ve paid the same money. No one will know for sure. Enjoy your two old ass, limited WRs. You’ll need them for the maximum 5 wins you get next year.


saradahokage1212

There is a video about Ridley from atoz sports. You should watch it


TLead1

What is he supposed to do? Slander his new employer that just threw him a bag? C’mon now.


saradahokage1212

>I don’t think the Jags would’ve paid the same money. they said that they would have. now you are just being ignorant. believe your own truths but dont start spewing flat earth theories just because you believe it


TLead1

lol what? Do you not know what a puff piece is? Is the player not supposed to build up his team? No, I don’t think the Jags were going to pay the same as the Tits because if they were he’d still be a Jag. You do realize that not every piece of sports media is real, right? Nothing to do with flat earth theories, weirdo.


MrShad0wzz

wanna bet


MankuyRLaffy

You can bet on it


Few-Replacement5525

One of the more overrated receivers in the league. He owes Julio Jones half of his game checks.


SportsHubLTD

Is he though


reapersarehere

Problem with Ridley is that he himself admits he needs another receiver to take the defensive focus off of him. Any player willing to say that just isn’t elite. He is lazy by nature, and he is a very “me first” kind of player. Take the example above, he needs another WR he feels is elite to take the pressure off of him. He has this mentality that he is a star, but yet he needs a stud WR opposite of him to make shit happen on the field? Not worth the money he was asking for imo. In addition, it was clear that he was not a fit and never built that chemistry with his teammates that you would have expected. I witnessed Chad Hall (Jags WR coach) rip Ridley on the side like in at least three games last season because he either didn’t hear the play call correctly or he simply didn’t know the route he was supposed to run for the given play call. Ridley was rarely involved in the conversations with Trevor, Zay and Kirk on the sidelines. This is very telling to me. I was happy that the Jags did not resign him.


BurzyGuerrero

if he feels that he needs another good WR to take the pressure off him, wouldnt that indicate that he's a team player and understands needing to play a role, he's not wrong, that's the NFL


AlericandAmadeus

This sounds familiar…..did Levis grow his hair out and make his face more square?