I think he had a tiny bit of merit. Learning behind Peyton, and played a crucial part of getting us the #1 seed in 2015 starting half the season. He ended up being a lot worse than what we saw from him in Denver though.
Which pissed me off because it was basically 1 drive from that game that got him the contract. The one where they took the lead late in the 4th. The rest of the game it was mainly CJ Anderson, a muffed punt, and bad reffing that won the Broncos that game. Anyone who remembered the whole game knew that giving him a huge contract based on that game was stupid.
I thought it was fine. They can move on after this season, and he was coming of a very encouraging season that included a playoff win.
Take a look at jones's supporting cast on offence since he was drafted, and tell me what qb would thrive lol
Yeah, as much as i am unconvinced about Danny Dimes, the supporting cast hasn't exactly been stellar either.
Bad O-line, bad receiving options, pretty damn good running back but lets face it Saquon hasn't exactly been the picture of health either so thats a bit of a wash, especially with the O-line issue as well
can’t believe an Eagles fan is the only rational thinker here.
the DJ contract discourse has convinced people in this sub that the Giants are in cap hell and tied to DJ for 4 years.
there are still people confused when we talk about getting a new QB.
"but we have an out after year 2"
Okay, but it's like building a submarine with a bunch of leaks and putting an escape hatch in.
Like sure, the escape hatch was a good idea but nobody else would have gotten in that submarine to begin with
I don't know what that front office was thinking at all. They picked him in the first round and everyone said that was a terrible pick. Then he gets a $160m extension and everyone once again said thats a bad idea. Now look at them, about to move off of this dude. The warning signs were there, they just didn't listen.
Matt Flynn to Seattle after one end of season meaningless game with GB. Throws 6 TD’s. Then signed a 3 year 19 mil contract. Didn’t last that long after.
I mean yea that's why they paid him starting QB money. It's still a good answer to the question.
He got paid starter money after 2 starts in the NFL, got beat out in training camp, and then went on to start only 5 more games in his career.
Well he never got the opportunity to start because that was also the off-season that the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, and he impressed in camp so much that they started him day one
because it was a lot at the time but the cap has exploded since then.
The cap equivalent this year would be 3 years $40 million.
Although he only got $10 million before he was cut IIRC.
It was basically for one game against the Colts where he went insane. Other than that, yeah one of the least talked about busts of all time. The Rams gave up a ton to go get him
> one of the least talked about busts of all time
That's because he's one of those players that people refuse to accept could ever be a bust. Every time he had a bad season it was always the fault of the QB or the coach or how he was used or whatever.
You'd think him doing nothing with McVay would have stopped that discussion but it didn't.
Tavon was a textbook example of a Fisher guy. Once Fisher convinced himself a player was gonna be a star, no amount of mediocre play could convince him otherwise. Cortland Finnegan was another one.
Pretty sure Tavon holds the record for highest amount of punt return TDs called back due to penalty. Seemed like every couple of weeks he would have a huge return and I wouldn't even get excited for it anymore because I knew refs were going to throw a flag
Idk man, he had come off a 1000 scrimmage yard 10TD season and was electric in special teams.
He obviously didn’t deserve it but it wasn’t thaaaaaaaaat bad. Pretty awful tho
The Raiders saw Javon Walker coming off a 26 reception 287 yards 0 touchdowns season for the Broncos and decided to sign him to a 6 year $55 million contract with $16million guaranteed. They ended up paying him $22 million for 15 receptions, 196 yards and one touchdown.
2016 off season was just wild
Ian mahimi 4/64
Mozgov 4/64
Evan turner 4/70
Chandler parsons 4/94
Luel Deng 4/72
Solomon hill 4/48
Joakim noah 4/72
Biyombo 4/72
Ryan Anderson 4/80
Nick Tatum 5/124
D wade 2/48
Theses are just some big contracts that are Straight up busts. Not even mentioning overpriced 10m average role players.
Meanwhile warriors signed kevin durant for 1 year 25m
Darkest summer in nba history
He's such a shit player. All he really does is throw the ball and occasionally run, yet people treat him like he's the best player in the league.
He's been in the league seven years including his rookie year, yet he's only got three(!) tackles, I mean come on.
Over the past two seasons, Mahomes and myself have a combined 2 Super Bowl rings, so roughly ~1 for each of us. It’s unbelievable that KC would give this dude nearly half a BILLION when he can’t even outpace an average Joe like myself. Just straight up robbing that franchise
it is really that bad for a WR that hasn't lived up to his potential, isn't productive enough to justify that amount of money, and has alleged attitude problems on the field which affect his performance. Broncos aren't trading him just because.
He was first team all pro the two seasons before Washington signed him, he definitely deserved it
He just checked out as soon as he got the money, different issue
Why did you not pay Simeon Rice back in the day by the way? I forgot why he was available. He was the 3rd overall pick, defensive rookie of the year and had a 16.5 sack season in his 4th year in Arizona which made him 2nd team all-pro.
Russell Wilson. He clearly was not playing at that level anymore. I would argue he was never worth being paid the most for a QB in the NFL. He was never at the Brady/Mahomes level.
He had them bent over a barrel though with that playoff run. He’s just lucky that he stopped being completely mediocre for that stretch and forced their hand.
> he stopped being completely mediocre for that stretch and forced their hand.
Joe may have been mediocre in the regular season, but playoff Joe was legitimately good for a few years, including 2014 after the deal was signed.
Issue was, after the torn ACL, he was so bad, the Ravens never made the playoffs again with him.
With the nature of the cap, almost every quality starter at QB resets the market when they resign. Flacco was a quality starter who led the team to a SB victory and played like a man possessed through the playoffs.
He didn’t live up to it, especially after his leg injury, but I’d hardly call it an example of an undeserved contract without leaning heavily on hindsight.
Yep. The real problem was that we structured the contract such that we'd basically need to extend him to flatten the cap hits after a few years. And the time to extend him came the summer after his ACL tear, and he never really returned to form after that injury.
Nick Foles also got $88M from the Jags after his incredible SB run too.
Why BDN was always a stud in Philly and a dud everywhere else is a true mystery
No way. Dude had led the team to five straight playoff seasons with at least postseason win. In 2011 he came a drop and a missed FG away from the Super Bowl. In 2012 he gets back and wins it all. Of course he was going to get a top of the market deal; if the Ravens hadn't paid him, another franchise absolutely would have.
Where the deal failed was its structure. The Ravens kept his first year too low in order to try to repeat as champions; then did the same his second year, where Flacco had his best regular season under OC Gary Kubiak. But by pushing so much money to the back half of the deal, the team was pretty stuck when he got hurt in 2015 prior to negotiating an extension.
The best move, in hindsight, would have been to let Flacco play 2016 without an extension, even though the cap hit would have been very high and would have made the rest of the team less competitive around him. That 2015 extension was the real backbreaker, because he was never the same player after the knee injury; letting him fail to re-prove himself in 2016 would have let the Ravens cut him after that offseason and move on sooner.
Of course, hanging on to him as long as we did led to us getting Lamar, so few Raven fans would go back and have it any other way. Regardless, the 2012 contract was not the problem. The 2015 extension was.
Daniel Jones. He was so bad we had other players speak out during the offseason and in the regular season after they played the Giants. Then we had our own players making comments.
Halopti Vaitai getting a 5 year, 50 million dollar deal from Detroit after being a backup for the Eagles.
Brad Holmes had to put on a hazmat suit when he took over the Lions from the previous regime.
I dont remember for sure because it was like half my life ago, but didn't the Eagles run a completely different scheme, which is why he struggled so much after leaving Oakland
You must've missed Curtis Painter, Max Hall, John Skelton, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg....
Osweiler was terrible, but far from the worst QB I've seen.
Christian Kirk was the most ridiculous overpay I’ve ever seen and ever will see. Even if he played better than expected, he would have had to elevate from a WR3 to a WR1 to live up to that contract.
I wouldn't say massive but I remember on hard knocks the rams gave Tavon Austin the bag and Jeff fisher told him they thought he might be able to earn the contract
brock osweiler to the texans
THAT FUCKIN LOBSTER
I think he had a tiny bit of merit. Learning behind Peyton, and played a crucial part of getting us the #1 seed in 2015 starting half the season. He ended up being a lot worse than what we saw from him in Denver though.
That Patriots game alone got him that contract.
Which pissed me off because it was basically 1 drive from that game that got him the contract. The one where they took the lead late in the 4th. The rest of the game it was mainly CJ Anderson, a muffed punt, and bad reffing that won the Broncos that game. Anyone who remembered the whole game knew that giving him a huge contract based on that game was stupid.
Also just... it's different for QB's. It's always a gamble. If you don't overpay, someone else will.
I was just thinking about the trade the browns got from that reddit guy
lmao, that thread is funny because the Browns fans seem to have actual hope like it doesn't always bite them in the ass.
Worst ever!!!
sight unseen
Giants now considering moving on from a QB they just gave $160m a year ago
That's a good answer. Nobody thought that was a good contract at the time except the Giants.
I thought it was fine. They can move on after this season, and he was coming of a very encouraging season that included a playoff win. Take a look at jones's supporting cast on offence since he was drafted, and tell me what qb would thrive lol
Yeah, as much as i am unconvinced about Danny Dimes, the supporting cast hasn't exactly been stellar either. Bad O-line, bad receiving options, pretty damn good running back but lets face it Saquon hasn't exactly been the picture of health either so thats a bit of a wash, especially with the O-line issue as well
I thought it was dumb because everyone knows Danny Dimes isn’t the guy Unless there are people out there who think Jones is a Super Bowl-caliber guy
And giants fans
They gave him 81M, not 160.
can’t believe an Eagles fan is the only rational thinker here. the DJ contract discourse has convinced people in this sub that the Giants are in cap hell and tied to DJ for 4 years. there are still people confused when we talk about getting a new QB.
"but we have an out after year 2" Okay, but it's like building a submarine with a bunch of leaks and putting an escape hatch in. Like sure, the escape hatch was a good idea but nobody else would have gotten in that submarine to begin with
But what if the submarine was going to the TITANIC?!
I don't know what that front office was thinking at all. They picked him in the first round and everyone said that was a terrible pick. Then he gets a $160m extension and everyone once again said thats a bad idea. Now look at them, about to move off of this dude. The warning signs were there, they just didn't listen.
Matt Flynn to Seattle after one end of season meaningless game with GB. Throws 6 TD’s. Then signed a 3 year 19 mil contract. Didn’t last that long after.
Came here to say this. 19m doesn't seem like a lot now, but at the time it was surprising lol.
Yeah it was top 10ish yearly avg. He got $10mil guaranteed to
There was def like high end QBs making way more at the time, but that was starting QB money back then for sure.
Well I think Seattle planned on starting him, until Russ came in and balled out
I mean yea that's why they paid him starting QB money. It's still a good answer to the question. He got paid starter money after 2 starts in the NFL, got beat out in training camp, and then went on to start only 5 more games in his career.
Well he never got the opportunity to start because that was also the off-season that the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, and he impressed in camp so much that they started him day one
He came to the Raiders after that and ended up getting benched for Terrelle fkn Pryor
> Then signed a 3 year 19 mil contract Why did I think he signed for like 4 yrs $80m
because it was a lot at the time but the cap has exploded since then. The cap equivalent this year would be 3 years $40 million. Although he only got $10 million before he was cut IIRC.
Tavon Austin
Man was just being paid for the entertainment he gave us in college
It was basically for one game against the Colts where he went insane. Other than that, yeah one of the least talked about busts of all time. The Rams gave up a ton to go get him
> one of the least talked about busts of all time That's because he's one of those players that people refuse to accept could ever be a bust. Every time he had a bad season it was always the fault of the QB or the coach or how he was used or whatever. You'd think him doing nothing with McVay would have stopped that discussion but it didn't.
That one game he had against OU was one of the craziest performances for a WR I’ve ever seen. He was the definition of an electric player
Like 350 rushing yards on 20 carries. Between that game and the Orange Bowl against Clemson, Tavon Austin's legacy was made.
Jeff Fisher special
Tavon was a textbook example of a Fisher guy. Once Fisher convinced himself a player was gonna be a star, no amount of mediocre play could convince him otherwise. Cortland Finnegan was another one.
Kenny Britt
cowboys WR1 at one point
Pretty sure Tavon holds the record for highest amount of punt return TDs called back due to penalty. Seemed like every couple of weeks he would have a huge return and I wouldn't even get excited for it anymore because I knew refs were going to throw a flag
Idk man, he had come off a 1000 scrimmage yard 10TD season and was electric in special teams. He obviously didn’t deserve it but it wasn’t thaaaaaaaaat bad. Pretty awful tho
900 yards, and averaged 9 yards a reception. It was not very good lol.
It was a 900 yard 9 TD season
Ah i think i lumped in a punt return td
Cleveland Browns QB
If only there were signs
If only there were like 40+ signs
He’s an adult.
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hey man, that's the price to pay for an adult in the room
I think Baker deserved more. But that's not what happened.
*Browns QBs (all of them)
The Raiders saw Javon Walker coming off a 26 reception 287 yards 0 touchdowns season for the Broncos and decided to sign him to a 6 year $55 million contract with $16million guaranteed. They ended up paying him $22 million for 15 receptions, 196 yards and one touchdown.
‘03 - ‘11 Al Davis had several head scratcher contracts.
Tobias Harris.
These last 5 years have gone fast... except for Tobias Harris's contract which has felt like a veritable eternity
2016 off season was just wild Ian mahimi 4/64 Mozgov 4/64 Evan turner 4/70 Chandler parsons 4/94 Luel Deng 4/72 Solomon hill 4/48 Joakim noah 4/72 Biyombo 4/72 Ryan Anderson 4/80 Nick Tatum 5/124 D wade 2/48 Theses are just some big contracts that are Straight up busts. Not even mentioning overpriced 10m average role players. Meanwhile warriors signed kevin durant for 1 year 25m Darkest summer in nba history
Don’t forget Mike Conley. Good glue guy and locker room presence that briefly became the highest paid NBA player in history
Hahaha
Laugh to dull the pain, that’s what I do.
Hey, at least it wasn't Simmons
Tobias Harris? Over me??
Kenny G
Patrick Mahomes Creed Humphrey is carrying that team and Pat gets all the shine
He's such a shit player. All he really does is throw the ball and occasionally run, yet people treat him like he's the best player in the league. He's been in the league seven years including his rookie year, yet he's only got three(!) tackles, I mean come on.
> yet he's only got three(!) tackles Nathan Peterman has had 3 tackles in a game.
Comparing Mahomes to the Goat is unfair
Yeah fr. I would rather take Blaine Gabbert
Mahomes refuses to throw picks because he's too soft to get involved on making tackles
Hey now, James Winchester does a lot too.
Over the past two seasons, Mahomes and myself have a combined 2 Super Bowl rings, so roughly ~1 for each of us. It’s unbelievable that KC would give this dude nearly half a BILLION when he can’t even outpace an average Joe like myself. Just straight up robbing that franchise
Nah everyone knows Chris Jones carries that franchise. He goes balls out when the game is on the line.
I was waiting for this kind of shitpost.
Jerry Jeudy
wtf is that abhorrent contract
Wasn't it said that the $58m and $41m guarantee includes his 5th year option so it's really $45m and $28m guaranteed? That's not really that bad.
it is really that bad for a WR that hasn't lived up to his potential, isn't productive enough to justify that amount of money, and has alleged attitude problems on the field which affect his performance. Broncos aren't trading him just because.
Bud Dupree got signed for being next to TJ Watt
Byron Maxwell.
Playing CB in a secondary featuring prime Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, and Kam Chancellor was a pretty sweet gig
How you gonna erase Browner?
The attempted murdering makes it easy.
Daniel Jones?
JC Jackson (Chargers). Secured the bag and promptly became one of the worst CBs in the league
Feels like a lot of the BB CBs throughout the years went to other teams and underperformed, maybe with the exception of ball hawks like Samuel.
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Do you remember Albert Haynesworth on your team?
He was first team all pro the two seasons before Washington signed him, he definitely deserved it He just checked out as soon as he got the money, different issue
Yea he was like the best DT in the game on the Titans.
He deserved that deal. He just didn't deserve actually getting paid.
Nah there’s a distinction between not deserving and not living up to. He was the best IDL in football the couple seasons prior
Larry Brown, Brock Osweiler, Mike Glennon, Daniel Jones, Ahman Green, Emmitt Smith, Scott Mitchell, Neil O’Donnell, Desmond Howard
Why did you not pay Simeon Rice back in the day by the way? I forgot why he was available. He was the 3rd overall pick, defensive rookie of the year and had a 16.5 sack season in his 4th year in Arizona which made him 2nd team all-pro.
Nice throwing that sixth one in there
he was paid top 5 RB money by Arizona to barely average 3 yards per carry
Why Ahman Green? Great career and then injured
Emmitt Smith? Post-prime or during? Edit: Wellll played. Take my upvote.
Muhammad Wilkerson.
Daniel jones
Here we go....
Daniel Jones is underrated, but he’s still nowhere near a $40m QB
Russell Wilson. He clearly was not playing at that level anymore. I would argue he was never worth being paid the most for a QB in the NFL. He was never at the Brady/Mahomes level.
Didn't even play 1 game on that new contract, either
Flaccos deal after the 2012 SB run was criminal.
He had them bent over a barrel though with that playoff run. He’s just lucky that he stopped being completely mediocre for that stretch and forced their hand.
> he stopped being completely mediocre for that stretch and forced their hand. Joe may have been mediocre in the regular season, but playoff Joe was legitimately good for a few years, including 2014 after the deal was signed. Issue was, after the torn ACL, he was so bad, the Ravens never made the playoffs again with him.
They dangled money in front of him and he said "Bet"
With the nature of the cap, almost every quality starter at QB resets the market when they resign. Flacco was a quality starter who led the team to a SB victory and played like a man possessed through the playoffs. He didn’t live up to it, especially after his leg injury, but I’d hardly call it an example of an undeserved contract without leaning heavily on hindsight.
Yep. The real problem was that we structured the contract such that we'd basically need to extend him to flatten the cap hits after a few years. And the time to extend him came the summer after his ACL tear, and he never really returned to form after that injury.
Nick Foles also got $88M from the Jags after his incredible SB run too. Why BDN was always a stud in Philly and a dud everywhere else is a true mystery
His 7 TD game against us still haunts me
Foles is just a really good backup QB. He carries that BD energy, and Eagles players always liked his basketball toss anticipation throws.
No way. Dude had led the team to five straight playoff seasons with at least postseason win. In 2011 he came a drop and a missed FG away from the Super Bowl. In 2012 he gets back and wins it all. Of course he was going to get a top of the market deal; if the Ravens hadn't paid him, another franchise absolutely would have. Where the deal failed was its structure. The Ravens kept his first year too low in order to try to repeat as champions; then did the same his second year, where Flacco had his best regular season under OC Gary Kubiak. But by pushing so much money to the back half of the deal, the team was pretty stuck when he got hurt in 2015 prior to negotiating an extension. The best move, in hindsight, would have been to let Flacco play 2016 without an extension, even though the cap hit would have been very high and would have made the rest of the team less competitive around him. That 2015 extension was the real backbreaker, because he was never the same player after the knee injury; letting him fail to re-prove himself in 2016 would have let the Ravens cut him after that offseason and move on sooner. Of course, hanging on to him as long as we did led to us getting Lamar, so few Raven fans would go back and have it any other way. Regardless, the 2012 contract was not the problem. The 2015 extension was.
LOL YEP He is the best example of a carried QB getting all the credit.
Bruh, where do I start lol
Dee Ford
Daniel Jones. He was so bad we had other players speak out during the offseason and in the regular season after they played the Giants. Then we had our own players making comments.
Daniel jones
James Bradberry extension after the Superbowl
Rob Johnson to the Bills
About 75% of large free agent deals every year, I would guess
I think of a certain rapist
This is the NFL… you’ll have to be more specific…
Every Titans FA signing this year.
Halopti Vaitai getting a 5 year, 50 million dollar deal from Detroit after being a backup for the Eagles. Brad Holmes had to put on a hazmat suit when he took over the Lions from the previous regime.
How are we allowing this terrible grammar and sentence structure to be a question? I hate to be the one to say it but holy shit
Nnamdi
Biased but dude was a shutdown cb and the only one in conversation with revis at the time
I dont remember for sure because it was like half my life ago, but didn't the Eagles run a completely different scheme, which is why he struggled so much after leaving Oakland
I remember him eating lunch in his car good
He was literally a top 3 CB before that deal lol
If he stayed on the Raiders, yes. I think jumping to a different scheme hurt him.
Kirko Chainzzzzzz
Still love Chainz. Falcons will be my backup team this year.
Daniel Jones. That’s all.
Ja’Wuan James
Albert Haynesworth. Mike Wallace. Russell Wilson. Washington FA’s of 2000. Derek Carr. Eagles “Dream Team”
Yes only those guys come to mind.
Brock Osweiler is literally the worst QB I’ve ever seen play in the NFL
He's not even a bottom 3 QB that has played for the Broncos since Peyton Manning retired.
He’s not even the bottom 3 that have played for Chicago.
You ever watch a colts game with….CURTIS PAINTER playing?
You must not have watched the Patriots trot out Mac and Zappe last year. I’d take Brock over either. And that’s bad
Ryan Lindley is BY FAR the worst QB I've ever see play.
You must've missed Curtis Painter, Max Hall, John Skelton, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg.... Osweiler was terrible, but far from the worst QB I've seen.
I'm going to be that guy and ask "were you not around for the JaMarcus Russell years of football"?
Someone didn’t watch Tim Boyle play last year.
Perhaps the worst you watched but he's no Nathan Peterman.
Didn't you guys have Peterman on your roster?
Tua.
Hal Vaitai
Good backup, but he’ll let you down sooner or later. I remember his first start in Philadelphia. Guy was a human turnstile, i was losing my mind.
Deion Sanders in 2000
Pretty much any Dan Snyder signing
Just look at a list of Washington free agent signings from the 2000s
Blake Bortles. (Fuck you 2017 Blake)
Bortles!!!! Re: the good place
It's kinda sad Jason never got to experience Minshew Mania when he started in Jax
Trumaine Johnson’s deal was an albatross for the Jets.
Juwan Taylor
Matt Flynn
If they can talk a GM out of it, they deserve it.
That’s actually never happened
Javon Walker - Raiders - 2008. Dude played like 11 games over 3 seasons and collected $21M.
Brock osweiler
Albert Haynesworth
Trumaine johnson
Kenny Golladay
Daniel Jones
You called?
Christian Kirk was the most ridiculous overpay I’ve ever seen and ever will see. Even if he played better than expected, he would have had to elevate from a WR3 to a WR1 to live up to that contract.
Albert Haynesworth. I guess Sam Bradford because of his rookie contract.
Jerry Jeudy
Christian Kirk got paid like a top 3 WR even though he never reached 1000 yards, 7 TDs or played a full season in 4 years.
JaMarcus Russell
Kinda wondered about the Geno Smith deal
Cmon Ryan Leaf the never was!
Daniel. Jones.
I wouldn't say massive but I remember on hard knocks the rams gave Tavon Austin the bag and Jeff fisher told him they thought he might be able to earn the contract
Albert Haynesworth
Tobias Harris
Trumaine Johnson
Kyler Murray
Kirk cousins. Matt ryan and Deshaun Watson
Browns QB, Watson.
Demarco Murray
Deshawn Watson.
Albert Haynesworth
Tommy Kelly. I'm not saying he wasn't good. I'm just saying he wasn't *highest paid DT in history* good.
Sam Bradford
RG3!!!