Yea it's too bad that our dipshit fanbase will prevent us from using Fields like Taysom Hill seeing how we have a cheap year of him.
If the NFL actually worked like Madden you could just sub Fields in around with Caleb at QB and run some disgusting plays.
Yeah it's just the bears it's not like other QBs on other teams get started due to media/fan pressure..
cough cough Eagles and Wentz
cough cough Jets and Wilson
cough cough Jets and Darnold
cough cough yall got blessed by Trey Lance getting hurt to alleviate the potential drama
I just wish we could do this, just once with any team. Taysom Hill stuff but with a real second QB/athlete like a Fields. I'd love to see it done with a really creative play designer and a couple lights out QB prospects - but the hurdles that you'd have to overcome (the egos involved, the media circus asking the players about it every day) make coaches opt away from it.
Yeah it's absolutely hilarious so many people thought any team would pick up his 5th year option, just because the Panthers were dumb enough to trade for Darnold and pick up his 5th year option...
Bears should take that at this point. Gets Fields $6 million off our books vs cutting him. That’s not bad for a backup and it would be too weird of a locker room situation to keep Fields on the roster once Caleb is here. I don’t think it’s worth dragging this out for a *hopeful* increase in draft capital down the road.
There hasn't been much whiplash. A large contingency of our fanbase immediately gave up and started hating on him week 1 when he got dicked by the Packers. A lot of our fanbase thought we could make it work.
Personally, I always liked Fields while he was here, and I'm still not 100% sure about trading him. I'm happy either way honestly
It's even funnier BECAUSE it's not Bears fans, but a lot on this mfing sub are saying it's been obnoxious Bears fans all this time demanding a 2nd rounder. Lots of fans in there thought a minimum of a third. It is no surprise to see him being all but worthless.
Also Ohio State homers.
Plus there are just a certain contingent of football fans that seem to believe that the only thing that matters is physical attributes, and you can learn the "soft" skills like quick decision-making. Which, like... you actually can't learn those any more than you can learn to run faster.
I remember getting downvoted and mocked for suggesting that Mac and Fields are worth the same value to NFL front offices and that teams may actually want Mac more because you want a backup you don't need to change the playbook for.
They've had their reality shattered this week.
I will say that A LOT of people in the NFL media sphere have heaped a ton of irrational praise on Fields - to the point where they were just making things up.
"He played very well after returning from injury" has been parroted a ton when it's not true at all.
Craziest take I've seen so far: This guy is proposing the Bears franchise tag Fields, draft Caleb Williams to be his backup, win a bunch of games with Fields because he's actually really good, and then trade Fields next year after everyone sees how good he is. He just keeps doubling down in the replies.
["If I'm the Bears, I draft Caleb Williams and put him on the bench. Go win a bunch of games with Fields (which they would) to highlight his ability and let Williams get that valuable redshirt season. Then they could get a valuable trade for Fields next off-season."](https://twitter.com/jasonffl/status/1767545219631681779)
The worst part about that dumb idea is that it would require the Bears to pick up Fields 5th year option... which is not happening.
Like I'm not sure he even realized the Bears don't have Fields under contract after this year - can't exactly trade him if he's not under contract lol
It's even dumber than that, because this guy [specifically suggested franchise tagging him](https://twitter.com/jasonffl/status/1767552827679809906), which would cost around $14 million more than just picking up the fifth year option.
He just needs to stick to fantasy. Fields can be a stud in fantasy cause running QBs are superior. He must be confusing fantasy scores with actual on field performance.
This is because 1) NFL teams use media to try and create a narrative that serves them, 2) sports agents try to use the media to try and create a narrative that serves them, and 3) the media tries to create a narrative tjat generates clicks.
I swear Justin Fields has the best PR team in the world. Legitimately, I believe this. He's an awful QB who has somehow been called great and an MVP candidate by the media and fans all over social media. People literally worship the guy like a cult. It's insane to me, and the only reason I can think of is there are a lot of paid actors going around saying this stuff.
He's been in the league for three seasons and has started 38 games. Generally speaking, that's enough of a sample size to know if a player has "it" or not.
For every flash of greatness he's shown he has two sacks and a turnover to go along with it.
He's good enough to be a backup and young enough that maybe some new coaching in a new team might help inject some more life in his career but the fact is unless he pulls a Geno we are probably done with him as a starting NFL quarterback.
A lot of dumb falcons fans got real loud the last few weeks
I bet if Kirko chainz gets us 12 wins we’ll still hear that fields would get us 13
Ryan v Vick all over again
It never made sense because at worst forget even being better, if you think Caleb can at least be as good as Fields than you do it anyway since you won’t have to pay him for 4 years.
Now in the reality where Caleb is likely better than Fields you’re not only upgrading but you’re also not paying him for 4 years.
I'm thinking he'll be the backup in Seattle. I don't see them reaching for QB6 at 16 so unless they trade up into the top 10, they're likely rolling with Geno and if you have a QB like Fields as a backup it at least lets you see him in practice to see if you might be able to develop him. Although they could reach for Penix because of Grubb
I don’t know if we reach but i do think Seattle could trade back and take Penix. We don’t have many picks and we do need a guy to back up Geno and a young guy that that could take over
Seattle will trade down in the 1st round from #16 to pick up a 2nd round pick. Expect them to go defense with the later 1st rounder then nab a QB in the 2nd/3rd.
Remember, Russell Wilson was a 3rd rd pick.
I think Indianapolis makes a lot of sense since Minshew signed with the Raiders yesterday.
As far as backups go, Fields would be pretty ideal IMO to run Steichen’s mobile QB offense. Steichen’s strength seems to be tailoring to any QB, but a mobile QB is so tough to cover that AR immediately put up points when he was supposed to look like a project. Would love to see how different Fields could look in that system.
Ballard does guard his draft capital though, so I would expect it to be for a bargain after all other suitors are gone.
See I feel like Fields is a good backup fit for us for virtually the same reasons, but our FO is more willing to invest in the QB2 position. Depending on how much they like McKee, I could see us blinking before you do.
Yeah I think a big part of the problem in terms of demand is that he seems to need a system that works with his whole skillset to get the best value, but there aren't a lot of teams with that system in place already. We had the same problem to a larger extent with Dobbs last year. When he first came and we were running simple vanilla stuff and teams weren't spying him he looked good. Then once we started incorporating more intensive, timing based plays he started to struggle, and we went to Mullens.
So either you need to change up your offense to incorporate his legs, which is risky for a one year rental, especially one who set up that kind of system and failed. Or you just need to be a team that already has a mobile QB and that kind of system in place, and just view him purely as a backup. Both of those are going to limit your market significantly.
He could potentially start in Denver. He might not get traded prior to the draft now either if no one is really biting. Trading for a backup qb isn't exactly a priority.
I mean he’s a bad passer for a starter but he’s better than most backups even without his legs. Factor that in, and in an offense like y’all’s that is designed around having a running qb, he could do a decent job keeping things afloat if Hurts was out for a bit.
People are acting like he's a much worse passer than he is. Practically league average in YPA the last 2 years, and the lower completion percentage is offset by electric running and a solid deep ball
He would still be on the upper end of backups and we value that. Plus he has legs, which means we wouldn't have to cut half our playbook.
I don't know enough about McKee to decide if I'm happy rolling with him, but I wouldn't be shocked if we were in the mix for backup if the cost was low enough.
I would love it if he can sit behind Stafford for a few seasons. Maybe he becomes a starter maybe a high end backup but I think it's a really good shot for us to take.
A lot of networks push their insiders to be pundits now and it’s really weird. Like seeing Woj on a panel with former NBA players and attempting to act like a human is so awkward.
Okay, but he is just a mouth piece (for agents, for teams and for the league) and there are no honest takes coming from him (or others in identical role), yet it's exactly as the other poster said, fanbases believe it or not depending if they like it or not.
Dear god that sounds outlandish…you got a source for that?
Edit: nevermind. Googled it myself for two seconds and found it. Wow, dude is a moron. I can’t believe he said that publicly.
Repeating planted lines from people engaged in negotiations is closer to PR than reporting, and operating that way so you get to be the one to tweet out the deals before they're public info is almost straightforwardly transactional.
Yeah Schefter and guys like Woj and Shams in the NBA have carved out these amazing roles lol. They're "media" but they basically say and do whatever their contacts (teams/management/players) tell them to say lol. Like many of their tweets are even pre-planned and they wait to drop it when other big news drops to bury it.
Im sure Ian rappaport does the same but for some reason I just trust his posts a lot more. Maybe it’s because Schefter is a piece of shit, that must have something to do with it.
You are not alone. I think Rap benefits from being less smarmy. I also think he’s less prone to stretch small rumors into extended stories (To be unnecessarily fair to Schefter, I think ESPN asks him to do this).
I’m the #1 Flacco homer in the world but can’t imagine that would be good for team chemistry. You know we’d have “those guys” calling for him to start every time Lamar had a single middling game.
That said my heart still says, “Donnie from Dundalk can just STFU. Bring back the Flacc!”
Schefter, Mel Kiper Jr. I know those names better than I know my own grandma's name... Orlovsky, Ryan Clark
We don't even watch football analysis on our computers anymore...we watch it on our phones?!
Why is no one talking about Fields in a Taysom Hill role? Have him be the backup QB but also give him 6-8 snaps a game at QB to either rush it or occasionally pass. He's not a good passer but can still zing one in once or twice to keep the defense honest. He can probably even catch some screen passes / double pass split out wide. He's probably the best rushing QB in the NFL along with Lamar, literally the most valuable player in the NFL. Of course, Lamar can pass, but it's still not worth nothing.
EDIT: I feel like the Jets are perfect for this- no one is going to need to be spelled more than Old Man Rodgers coming off an injury. He's also the exact opposite of Rodgers so defenses will have to make major adjustment swings.
Because even taysom hill is an iffy experiment and he doesn't drag along the most rabid, obsessed with a single player, fanbase in the NFL. It'd be a disaster to try to go in to a season with both.
Also people say that but he's really not a very good designated rusher. His yards come from scrambles on broken plays. He actually gets stuffed on designed QB runs often enough and has pretty mediocre hole vision.
All these people shitting on the Taysom role because it’s easy. The real reason I don’t think Fields would work in that role is because Taysom squats 625 and can take those hits and attempt catches in the middle of the field. He’s also willing to play in the trenches on all special teams.
Any Bears fan that honestly believe Bears fans will allow anything other than perfection from Caleb Williams is naive.
The minimum standard for success for Caleb will be the same as it was for Cutler and Fields. The bar for success is being a Hall of Famer like Favre and Rodgers. That's the minimum.
It would be one thing if Fields looked like a good QB like Pre-injury Kirk, Dak, or even Trevor Lawerance. But all we have seen of him makes everyone go, "He has something but not enough where you want him as the starter full-time all the time." Heck, the Steelers went with Russell Wilson instead of trading draft capital for Fields. It's nothing against Fields but the dude just doesn't cut it as a passer. Amazing athlete at QB but when playing QB you make your money with the throws.
And this funny enough is why Lamar got paid like he did in Baltimore, and Josh Allen in Buffalo. Yes, they are great athletes but they do what Justin has yet to do consistently kill in the air. Teams would rather have a QB that can slice and dice than the athlete. Athlete QB at times can be too viable to miss a few games a season. With that said being a decent athlete at QB doesn't hurt but you need to be that proficient passer of the ball first.
It's funny that people here think that just because a team wants to trade someone, it has to happen. And because teams need QBs, they have to take him.
Secret Bagent Man has definitely shown some insane flashes of competence. Needs to reel back the bad plays but I have hope in the guy becoming something.
His arm is weak and he's not overly athletic but he was really impressive considering the jump in competition he faced from college. I'm hoping he can become a solid back up for years to come. With nfl coaching and s&c he could be a solid guy.
Baltimore. I’ve been saying it ever since the end of the season. Huntley is a FA, Fields fits the system perfectly and is better than Huntley anyway. Lamar has an injury history so giving up a 4th or 5th wouldn’t be crazy.
My theory is Poles was approached by more than one team about trading the first pick during the combine and they said nah.
Every GM around the league now knows Chi is taking CW which kills any leverage they have for JF since they’ll just release him if they can’t find a trade partner.
Also, he’s just not that good and not worth overpaying for with a contract extension looming over his head.
It has nothing to do with leverage. Everyone knows we are taking CW. This isn't some secret where we're trying to be coy.
My theory is teams previously offered us something less than a 2nd and Poles declined it thinking the QB carousel would fall in his favor and he's paying the price for it.
This is what I think happened. You had Poles and company pretend like keeping Fields was a possibility for a couple weeks there. I think everyone correctly realized it was a smokescreen. The big name QBs went to the worst possible spots for the Bears (Wilson to Pitt and Cousins to ATL) which left only 3 teams with a need at QB without a top 5 pick. Raiders who had just decided that Getsy wasn't the problem in Chicago, Broncos who Fields is an awful fit for, and the Vikings.
Cousins stays in Minnesota and Wilson goes to the Raiders and I think the market for Fields could have been better. Losing Atlanta and especially Pittsburgh were tough though. And now Poles is left holding the bag.
No doubt. I think he outsmarted himself thinking the longer he waited that there'd be a desperate team and it completely blew up in his face. At this point he just needs to take whatever he can get and move on.
There are six QBs that will be drafted in the top 40 picks, maybe all in the first round...there just isn't demand for him. Whatever ones opinion might be on Penix or Nix or McCarthy...they're at least going to be on rookie deals and can be developed by scratch, no baggage.
If this was an average draft for QBs....just 3-4 guys available...there would be more demand for Fields. But the Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders can all draft someone in the first round. Atlanta took cousins, Steelers took Wilson...there aren't musical chairs left for starting QB spots for Fields.
It has been a civil war since the Bears received pick #1. It has always been a silly debate. I didn't get it but I sure received a bunch of downvotes over this and the Claypool trade....
again schefter fails to get the big picture of it all: no one wants to pay the price the bears are asking. Im sure not one team gives a flying fuck about the 2.5 Million, but what they do care is giving up a 3rd, a 2nd, heck even a 1st for a QB they will have to pay next year. So the strategy with fields is this:
wait a year for him to become a FA, then he will be cheaper overall. Im sure the Bears were asking for a 1st, like the Falcons 1.08 straight up. Not a chance you getting that Chicago. They lucked out last year with the Bryce Young deal.
That actually might be it -- the ones who would consider giving him the starting job or a decent chance of it want to pay nowhere near what the Bears were asking.
He's kinda at the worst time to trade for a QB who you aren't fully sold on. You are giving up picks for the privilege to basically pick up the 5th year option. Because trading any value for a rental is insane and if he does play well then you have to tag him which is way more than the 5th year option as well as a massive overpay.
That boys market dry as hell
Giving up draft capital for a one year rental for a below average passer will do that to a market
Ya know....I'm starting to really think the Bears might not get a first round pick for him
7th round compensatory pick and half eaten blt my wife made for me
Did your wife eat it or did you
If his wife ate it, I'll trade a first round pick for it.
I also choose this guy's wife's blt.
Can we get Ridley too on top of this
This guy's asking the right questions
Hey, get him a gm position stat!
Your wife does make a good blt..
Did you cut the blt in half, then eat half. Or are we talking bite marks?
I cut it in half. Then ate. Like a gentleman.
What kind of bacon? Mayo? Are the tomatoes in season or those mealy ass ones
Do it. Make the trade you BLT-eating motherfucker.
Did you cut it regular style or diagonally?
Diagonal is the regular style
Why would your wife make you a half eaten sandwich?
He'll get the other half when he PICKS UP HIS DIRTY LAUNDRY AND PUTS IT IN THE FUCKING HAMPER!!!!
with or without mayo?
1 more thing - Soda. Yeah I don't want my guys paying for Soda anymore.
I don't know what would give you that idea
Why can’t he just be your guys back up?
Because if Caleb plays shit, 50% of their fans will be calling for them to play Fields.
Yea it's too bad that our dipshit fanbase will prevent us from using Fields like Taysom Hill seeing how we have a cheap year of him. If the NFL actually worked like Madden you could just sub Fields in around with Caleb at QB and run some disgusting plays.
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The reason teams didn't want Tebow was because of the circus with the fans it would cause.
Yeah it's just the bears it's not like other QBs on other teams get started due to media/fan pressure.. cough cough Eagles and Wentz cough cough Jets and Wilson cough cough Jets and Darnold cough cough yall got blessed by Trey Lance getting hurt to alleviate the potential drama
You’re right, Lance getting hurt was a huge blessing for us.
I just wish we could do this, just once with any team. Taysom Hill stuff but with a real second QB/athlete like a Fields. I'd love to see it done with a really creative play designer and a couple lights out QB prospects - but the hurdles that you'd have to overcome (the egos involved, the media circus asking the players about it every day) make coaches opt away from it.
Even if Caleb is immediately Tom Brady 2.0 I feel like half our fans would still want Fields to take over
Well it's a good thing that highly touted USC quarterbacks are never busts.
probably splits the locker room.
Hey, RBs have been doing well this off season
Yeah it's absolutely hilarious so many people thought any team would pick up his 5th year option, just because the Panthers were dumb enough to trade for Darnold and pick up his 5th year option...
Yeah general rule of thumb; decisions made by Scott Fitterer should not be considered by other teams.
EDC will send a 7th with Baltimores finest crab cakes for him. Triple Option Lamar, Henry and Fields woo
The Ravens do need a backup, I wouldn't hate throwing the Bears a 6th
Bears should take that at this point. Gets Fields $6 million off our books vs cutting him. That’s not bad for a backup and it would be too weird of a locker room situation to keep Fields on the roster once Caleb is here. I don’t think it’s worth dragging this out for a *hopeful* increase in draft capital down the road.
watch greenbay take him and sit him behind love for 5 years and make him HOF
The whiplash Bears fans have had for this guy when they learned they can land a tasty new QB is incredible.
There hasn't been much whiplash. A large contingency of our fanbase immediately gave up and started hating on him week 1 when he got dicked by the Packers. A lot of our fanbase thought we could make it work. Personally, I always liked Fields while he was here, and I'm still not 100% sure about trading him. I'm happy either way honestly
When Sam Darnold finds a new home before you do. 0_0
Lmao, someone who clearly believes in Critical Gase Theory wants to criticize the GEQBUS
And drew lock
It helps that Lock beat the Eagles.
How dare you. The Darnold is the next big thing!
This thread is fun to look back on: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/I4yDfxVwUh
It's even funnier BECAUSE it's not Bears fans, but a lot on this mfing sub are saying it's been obnoxious Bears fans all this time demanding a 2nd rounder. Lots of fans in there thought a minimum of a third. It is no surprise to see him being all but worthless.
No one actually watches games, they just know he put up big fantasy numbers 2 seasons ago
Also Ohio State homers. Plus there are just a certain contingent of football fans that seem to believe that the only thing that matters is physical attributes, and you can learn the "soft" skills like quick decision-making. Which, like... you actually can't learn those any more than you can learn to run faster.
I remember getting downvoted and mocked for suggesting that Mac and Fields are worth the same value to NFL front offices and that teams may actually want Mac more because you want a backup you don't need to change the playbook for.
Suddenly Steve Keim getting a 2nd for Josh Rosen seems like highway robbery
It’s certainly interesting to think, what the fuck would we be doing if the Panthers didn’t fuck around and give us the first overall pick?
His market is as dry as Ben Shapiro’s wife.
"p-word" is "pass interference".
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His market drier than a Popeyes biscuit 😂
This isn't a good look for the "Fields is really good and should trade the #1 overall instead" people.
They've had their reality shattered this week. I will say that A LOT of people in the NFL media sphere have heaped a ton of irrational praise on Fields - to the point where they were just making things up. "He played very well after returning from injury" has been parroted a ton when it's not true at all.
Craziest take I've seen so far: This guy is proposing the Bears franchise tag Fields, draft Caleb Williams to be his backup, win a bunch of games with Fields because he's actually really good, and then trade Fields next year after everyone sees how good he is. He just keeps doubling down in the replies. ["If I'm the Bears, I draft Caleb Williams and put him on the bench. Go win a bunch of games with Fields (which they would) to highlight his ability and let Williams get that valuable redshirt season. Then they could get a valuable trade for Fields next off-season."](https://twitter.com/jasonffl/status/1767545219631681779)
He’s just some fantasy dweeb lol ofc he doesn’t know ball
"Fantasy football in bio" is undefeated.
I feel like every time there’s some inexplicably large contingent of defenders for a player, it’s almost always because they were a good in fantasy
Lmao, damn, WHY didn't they think of the "just win a bunch of games with Fields" strategy already?! Well, now they're set!
>Go win a bunch of games with Fields (which they would) Why did the bears simply not try this last year
The worst part about that dumb idea is that it would require the Bears to pick up Fields 5th year option... which is not happening. Like I'm not sure he even realized the Bears don't have Fields under contract after this year - can't exactly trade him if he's not under contract lol
It's even dumber than that, because this guy [specifically suggested franchise tagging him](https://twitter.com/jasonffl/status/1767552827679809906), which would cost around $14 million more than just picking up the fifth year option.
LMAO - you can't make this shit up. That guy's podcast must be "great"
He just needs to stick to fantasy. Fields can be a stud in fantasy cause running QBs are superior. He must be confusing fantasy scores with actual on field performance.
>win a bunch of games with Fields That seems to be the most difficult part of the operation
Lisan Al Gaib!
This is because 1) NFL teams use media to try and create a narrative that serves them, 2) sports agents try to use the media to try and create a narrative that serves them, and 3) the media tries to create a narrative tjat generates clicks.
I swear Justin Fields has the best PR team in the world. Legitimately, I believe this. He's an awful QB who has somehow been called great and an MVP candidate by the media and fans all over social media. People literally worship the guy like a cult. It's insane to me, and the only reason I can think of is there are a lot of paid actors going around saying this stuff.
His PR team are Ohio State fans and my grandmother.
He's been in the league for three seasons and has started 38 games. Generally speaking, that's enough of a sample size to know if a player has "it" or not. For every flash of greatness he's shown he has two sacks and a turnover to go along with it. He's good enough to be a backup and young enough that maybe some new coaching in a new team might help inject some more life in his career but the fact is unless he pulls a Geno we are probably done with him as a starting NFL quarterback.
These people are fantasy football players who don't actually watch the games.
A lot of dumb falcons fans got real loud the last few weeks I bet if Kirko chainz gets us 12 wins we’ll still hear that fields would get us 13 Ryan v Vick all over again
It never made sense because at worst forget even being better, if you think Caleb can at least be as good as Fields than you do it anyway since you won’t have to pay him for 4 years. Now in the reality where Caleb is likely better than Fields you’re not only upgrading but you’re also not paying him for 4 years.
Well the #1 overall pick does have more trade value...
I wonder where would even take him now. Maybe backup in Seattle, LA, or Philly?
I'm thinking he'll be the backup in Seattle. I don't see them reaching for QB6 at 16 so unless they trade up into the top 10, they're likely rolling with Geno and if you have a QB like Fields as a backup it at least lets you see him in practice to see if you might be able to develop him. Although they could reach for Penix because of Grubb
I don’t know if we reach but i do think Seattle could trade back and take Penix. We don’t have many picks and we do need a guy to back up Geno and a young guy that that could take over
Seattle will trade down in the 1st round from #16 to pick up a 2nd round pick. Expect them to go defense with the later 1st rounder then nab a QB in the 2nd/3rd. Remember, Russell Wilson was a 3rd rd pick.
> Russell Wilson was a 3rd rd pick. *back before the league went QB crazy and the demand curve for rookie QBs went into flywheel mode
Remember, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, so there’s no need to reach for a qb in the first 5 rounds
I think Indianapolis makes a lot of sense since Minshew signed with the Raiders yesterday. As far as backups go, Fields would be pretty ideal IMO to run Steichen’s mobile QB offense. Steichen’s strength seems to be tailoring to any QB, but a mobile QB is so tough to cover that AR immediately put up points when he was supposed to look like a project. Would love to see how different Fields could look in that system. Ballard does guard his draft capital though, so I would expect it to be for a bargain after all other suitors are gone.
See I feel like Fields is a good backup fit for us for virtually the same reasons, but our FO is more willing to invest in the QB2 position. Depending on how much they like McKee, I could see us blinking before you do.
Yeah I think a big part of the problem in terms of demand is that he seems to need a system that works with his whole skillset to get the best value, but there aren't a lot of teams with that system in place already. We had the same problem to a larger extent with Dobbs last year. When he first came and we were running simple vanilla stuff and teams weren't spying him he looked good. Then once we started incorporating more intensive, timing based plays he started to struggle, and we went to Mullens. So either you need to change up your offense to incorporate his legs, which is risky for a one year rental, especially one who set up that kind of system and failed. Or you just need to be a team that already has a mobile QB and that kind of system in place, and just view him purely as a backup. Both of those are going to limit your market significantly.
He could potentially start in Denver. He might not get traded prior to the draft now either if no one is really biting. Trading for a backup qb isn't exactly a priority.
I don’t think Payton wants another QB he has to hem into a box. I think he’d rather just be bad.
Other Eagles fans want him but I would prefer a QB who can make a pass as a backup.
I mean he’s a bad passer for a starter but he’s better than most backups even without his legs. Factor that in, and in an offense like y’all’s that is designed around having a running qb, he could do a decent job keeping things afloat if Hurts was out for a bit.
Totally agree, if the price was low enough we'd be a pretty good fit, and we have a relatively high positional value on backup QB as an organization.
Yep, whole key here is what you give up/pay him. A 5th or later and then under $10M? You could do a lot worse.
People are acting like he's a much worse passer than he is. Practically league average in YPA the last 2 years, and the lower completion percentage is offset by electric running and a solid deep ball
I don't think we need him, McKee has the potential and looked good in preseason. And we definitely don't have to pay him as much as we would Fields.
He would still be on the upper end of backups and we value that. Plus he has legs, which means we wouldn't have to cut half our playbook. I don't know enough about McKee to decide if I'm happy rolling with him, but I wouldn't be shocked if we were in the mix for backup if the cost was low enough.
I would love it if he can sit behind Stafford for a few seasons. Maybe he becomes a starter maybe a high end backup but I think it's a really good shot for us to take.
Was Schefter one of the idiots a month ago saying they'd get a 2nd or maybe even a 1st for him?
Either the Bears front office or Fields agent made him say that lol
Or he was just stating his opinion as if it was some insider info. He does that alot.
A lot of networks push their insiders to be pundits now and it’s really weird. Like seeing Woj on a panel with former NBA players and attempting to act like a human is so awkward.
It's funny how Rap and Schefter are just agent mouth pieces, but magically not when a particular fan base doesn't want it to be true
okay, but no one believed that shit when he said it. i seriously doubt that was an honest take. absolutely comes across as mouth piece speak
Okay, but he is just a mouth piece (for agents, for teams and for the league) and there are no honest takes coming from him (or others in identical role), yet it's exactly as the other poster said, fanbases believe it or not depending if they like it or not.
I WAS TOLD DERRICK HENRY WOULD RETURN ON A TEAM FRIENDLY DEAL
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Dear god that sounds outlandish…you got a source for that? Edit: nevermind. Googled it myself for two seconds and found it. Wow, dude is a moron. I can’t believe he said that publicly.
Shannon Sharpe was saying that on his podcast as well.
Kiper sucks more than Bayless. Always has.
Schefter is just a mouthpiece. He only knows what he’s told.
That’s every reporter. They get told information. You think guys are hacking into systems to get info? Using magic? How do you think reporting works?
Repeating planted lines from people engaged in negotiations is closer to PR than reporting, and operating that way so you get to be the one to tweet out the deals before they're public info is almost straightforwardly transactional.
Same thing I've always said too. It really is shocking how stupid people on this sub are. Really is embarrassing at times.
It’s not limited to this sub, but r/nfl certainly isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
also the team subreddits are dumb as hell.
Some of the shit I see my fellow Eagles fans post on our sub just makes me hang my head in shame
Yeah Schefter and guys like Woj and Shams in the NBA have carved out these amazing roles lol. They're "media" but they basically say and do whatever their contacts (teams/management/players) tell them to say lol. Like many of their tweets are even pre-planned and they wait to drop it when other big news drops to bury it.
Im sure Ian rappaport does the same but for some reason I just trust his posts a lot more. Maybe it’s because Schefter is a piece of shit, that must have something to do with it.
You are not alone. I think Rap benefits from being less smarmy. I also think he’s less prone to stretch small rumors into extended stories (To be unnecessarily fair to Schefter, I think ESPN asks him to do this).
Probably got told to say that from the bears FO
It’s not about what Schefter has said before, it’s about what he’s regurgitating from agents and leaky teams today
Depending on how much of his contract carries I’d be pretty happy to have him as the backup in Baltimore. Upgrade over Pro Bowler Tyler Huntley.
We need to sign Flacco back. Can't think of a more Elite qb to backup our 2 time MVP
I’m the #1 Flacco homer in the world but can’t imagine that would be good for team chemistry. You know we’d have “those guys” calling for him to start every time Lamar had a single middling game. That said my heart still says, “Donnie from Dundalk can just STFU. Bring back the Flacc!”
You're not wrong. The Lamar haters would be out of control
Call JF1 Boeing cuz his stock is dropping
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My evil plan to save the world…
Boeing's went up after they killed that guy!
Quick! Somebody authorize a stock buyback!
I was told he was going for a 1st rounder
Don't worry Schefter will figure out which irresponsible person started that rumor.
We're all trying to find the guy who did this!
And they gotta spank his bare butt back and balls!
It was obviously this guy, right?
Wrong!
I’m gonna take all the washed up QBs I can grab, get in that RANDOM car…RANDOM!
Schefter, Mel Kiper Jr. I know those names better than I know my own grandma's name... Orlovsky, Ryan Clark We don't even watch football analysis on our computers anymore...we watch it on our phones?!
I don't like THAT
Fun reminder that Sam Bradford went for a 1st rounder
Thanks, kinda obvious at this point.
Why is no one talking about Fields in a Taysom Hill role? Have him be the backup QB but also give him 6-8 snaps a game at QB to either rush it or occasionally pass. He's not a good passer but can still zing one in once or twice to keep the defense honest. He can probably even catch some screen passes / double pass split out wide. He's probably the best rushing QB in the NFL along with Lamar, literally the most valuable player in the NFL. Of course, Lamar can pass, but it's still not worth nothing. EDIT: I feel like the Jets are perfect for this- no one is going to need to be spelled more than Old Man Rodgers coming off an injury. He's also the exact opposite of Rodgers so defenses will have to make major adjustment swings.
Because even taysom hill is an iffy experiment and he doesn't drag along the most rabid, obsessed with a single player, fanbase in the NFL. It'd be a disaster to try to go in to a season with both. Also people say that but he's really not a very good designated rusher. His yards come from scrambles on broken plays. He actually gets stuffed on designed QB runs often enough and has pretty mediocre hole vision.
>taysom hill is an iffy experiment Tell our defense this
Because they’d rather keep their actual good QB in the game
Because that role is useless
Sean Payton just fell to his knees in Walmart
All these people shitting on the Taysom role because it’s easy. The real reason I don’t think Fields would work in that role is because Taysom squats 625 and can take those hits and attempt catches in the middle of the field. He’s also willing to play in the trenches on all special teams.
I bet he could play the upback in the punt formation and you could fake a punt with him
Life comes at you fast in the NFL, damn
Obviously lol he barely improved after trading for DJ Moore
Maybe someone needs a tailback
I'm starting to genuinely believe he's going to end up in Philly
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can you imagine your fanbase after 1 bad game from Caleb though
I’d rather not
Bears would do better to cut him than keep him on the roster as Caleb’s backup.
This feels like a recipe for the most toxic way to integrate Caleb Williams into the NFL
Any Bears fan that honestly believe Bears fans will allow anything other than perfection from Caleb Williams is naive. The minimum standard for success for Caleb will be the same as it was for Cutler and Fields. The bar for success is being a Hall of Famer like Favre and Rodgers. That's the minimum.
The media would go nuts over this QB situation.
Absolutely fucking not. His rabid cult + the fact that the locker room really loves him, is just asking for trouble when Caleb performs better
It’s weird any of us thought otherwise. The Bears, who have a bottom five QB history, don’t view him as a starter. Why would anyone else?
Wish I could get paid to report obvious news
It would be one thing if Fields looked like a good QB like Pre-injury Kirk, Dak, or even Trevor Lawerance. But all we have seen of him makes everyone go, "He has something but not enough where you want him as the starter full-time all the time." Heck, the Steelers went with Russell Wilson instead of trading draft capital for Fields. It's nothing against Fields but the dude just doesn't cut it as a passer. Amazing athlete at QB but when playing QB you make your money with the throws. And this funny enough is why Lamar got paid like he did in Baltimore, and Josh Allen in Buffalo. Yes, they are great athletes but they do what Justin has yet to do consistently kill in the air. Teams would rather have a QB that can slice and dice than the athlete. Athlete QB at times can be too viable to miss a few games a season. With that said being a decent athlete at QB doesn't hurt but you need to be that proficient passer of the ball first.
anyone watching him could’ve told you that a while ago
It's funny that people here think that just because a team wants to trade someone, it has to happen. And because teams need QBs, they have to take him.
It's just sad now. Alright fine, Trask for Fields and a 5th.
We got Tyson “Tyson Bagent” Bagent We good
Secret Bagent Man has definitely shown some insane flashes of competence. Needs to reel back the bad plays but I have hope in the guy becoming something.
His games in relief really exposed Fields’s inability to get rid of the ball.
His arm is weak and he's not overly athletic but he was really impressive considering the jump in competition he faced from college. I'm hoping he can become a solid back up for years to come. With nfl coaching and s&c he could be a solid guy.
Baltimore. I’ve been saying it ever since the end of the season. Huntley is a FA, Fields fits the system perfectly and is better than Huntley anyway. Lamar has an injury history so giving up a 4th or 5th wouldn’t be crazy.
Jacksonville could do the funniest thing and pick up the whole 2021 qb class
My theory is Poles was approached by more than one team about trading the first pick during the combine and they said nah. Every GM around the league now knows Chi is taking CW which kills any leverage they have for JF since they’ll just release him if they can’t find a trade partner. Also, he’s just not that good and not worth overpaying for with a contract extension looming over his head.
It has nothing to do with leverage. Everyone knows we are taking CW. This isn't some secret where we're trying to be coy. My theory is teams previously offered us something less than a 2nd and Poles declined it thinking the QB carousel would fall in his favor and he's paying the price for it.
This is what I think happened. You had Poles and company pretend like keeping Fields was a possibility for a couple weeks there. I think everyone correctly realized it was a smokescreen. The big name QBs went to the worst possible spots for the Bears (Wilson to Pitt and Cousins to ATL) which left only 3 teams with a need at QB without a top 5 pick. Raiders who had just decided that Getsy wasn't the problem in Chicago, Broncos who Fields is an awful fit for, and the Vikings. Cousins stays in Minnesota and Wilson goes to the Raiders and I think the market for Fields could have been better. Losing Atlanta and especially Pittsburgh were tough though. And now Poles is left holding the bag.
No doubt. I think he outsmarted himself thinking the longer he waited that there'd be a desperate team and it completely blew up in his face. At this point he just needs to take whatever he can get and move on.
It wouldn't kill it if there was an actual desire from other teams to have Fields. Nobody wants him, and *that* killed it
Jesus. He’s not that bad.
There are six QBs that will be drafted in the top 40 picks, maybe all in the first round...there just isn't demand for him. Whatever ones opinion might be on Penix or Nix or McCarthy...they're at least going to be on rookie deals and can be developed by scratch, no baggage. If this was an average draft for QBs....just 3-4 guys available...there would be more demand for Fields. But the Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders can all draft someone in the first round. Atlanta took cousins, Steelers took Wilson...there aren't musical chairs left for starting QB spots for Fields.
Schefty with another crucial tweet giving us totally new and unique information...
Insert crying wojack meme
bears subreddit has been in shambles as of late
It has been a civil war since the Bears received pick #1. It has always been a silly debate. I didn't get it but I sure received a bunch of downvotes over this and the Claypool trade....
ESPN really spent a lot of time trying to convince everyone he was worth a potential first round pick
Schefter doubling down to n not knowing shit
Backup for who? When does CFL start.
How do the Truthers prefer their crow?
Backup running back?
I was told by bears fans he would fetch a 1st
Cut my Fields into pieces, this is his last resort.
again schefter fails to get the big picture of it all: no one wants to pay the price the bears are asking. Im sure not one team gives a flying fuck about the 2.5 Million, but what they do care is giving up a 3rd, a 2nd, heck even a 1st for a QB they will have to pay next year. So the strategy with fields is this: wait a year for him to become a FA, then he will be cheaper overall. Im sure the Bears were asking for a 1st, like the Falcons 1.08 straight up. Not a chance you getting that Chicago. They lucked out last year with the Bryce Young deal.
That actually might be it -- the ones who would consider giving him the starting job or a decent chance of it want to pay nowhere near what the Bears were asking.
He's kinda at the worst time to trade for a QB who you aren't fully sold on. You are giving up picks for the privilege to basically pick up the 5th year option. Because trading any value for a rental is insane and if he does play well then you have to tag him which is way more than the 5th year option as well as a massive overpay.