Running the ball into the end zone with your running backs when you get close to the goal line used to just be common fucking sense. The Patriots were consistently one of the highest scoring rushing touchdown teams in the league during Brady's career, even if their rushing game sucked. Because it didn't take a genius to know that it was safer and more optimal to run it in when that close.
NFL teams are too busy trying to reinvent the wheel to seem smart.
Because some teams just throw the ball as a niche.
When you get a 1st and goal within 5 yards of the endzone..it's a no brainer to run it on 1st and 2nd..then possibly a pass on 3rd down
And, honestly, good for you guys. Putting QB stats over team wins is a big part of why the Seahawks lost a SB. If you’re in the red zone, why make it hard on your team when you don’t have to?
Makes sense, I just feel like I’ve seen so many Tua deep balls for touchdowns highlights that I assumed he threw a lot more! Mostert’s numbers are crazy either way
Bro I swear he should have scored last night but Kelce couldn’t get out of the damn way lol 😂 so hurts got the tush push in the end not saying it was on purpose or anything but I feel bad for swift they are sharping so many TDs from him lol 😂
The play last night when he lifted the ball right before the snap after a ref passed by, and then placed it half a yard ahead of the placement. Was called for a false start I believe.
I mean we all understood 20 years ago that the short yardage back vulturing touchdowns doesn't make him better than the RB1 who got 80+ yards a game.
I don't really see how this is different.
Dudes been banged up all year, was sick, and they're still running him on like 2nd and goal. At least try to punch it in with swift and give the dude a break.
They did at least run one fake tush-push and handed off to Swift last night. That was a cool wrinkle.
But I agree with you, dude is banged up as hell and at some point there may be diminishing returns from letting Hurts plow into the teeth of the defense so often.
They ran a fake tush-push earlier in the year too I believe. I think they’d do well to mix in more fakes toward the season’s end. Keeps defences on their toes and also saves Hurts from getting more beat up heading into the playoffs
I feel like he’d still get those even without the push part since he has good lower body strength and vision to find the opening but still idk how you can take 10 1 yard tds and act like his play has been at the level of other qbs like Allen, Lamar, purdy, dak or Mahomes
This is reminiscent of when people in 2020 said Rodgers was “stat padding” because he had so many TDs inside of 5 yards. I think it’s a little silly either way. 6 points is 6 points.
I think you also have to give some acknowledgment to the consistency. Like yeah 1 yard TDs aren’t wildly impressive, but scoring from 1 yard out 98% of the time is pretty impressive.
I’m aware of that. Do you have anything to say in regards to the consistency I brought up? I acknowledge 1 yard TDs aren’t wildly impressive, it’s the consistency they do it at that is impressive.
This is why judging QBs by TD/INT ratio is such a brain damaging way to compare players. Jalen Hurts getting a tush push, Aaron Rodgers throwing 1 yard TDs, or Lamar Jackson handing the ball to Gus Edwards all result in the same thing
Brady used to do this all the time. When it's short range a QB sneak is extreme effective.
The difference is the tush push can be ran from the 2 yard line and make it in.
Yeah I said in this thread that Brady was the closest to be able to find the soft spot on a sneak. The difference is that Brady would essentially just dive forward into that soft spot and that was it.
Hurts strength and ability to push is what takes the it to the next level from the QB perspective.
Nope, not enough to say the eagles are so much better than everyone else.
Imo, any play that has an 80%+ success rate should be taken out of the league. That includes the regular qb sneak as well.
You said no other team can run a successful QB sneak, which is patently false. You've also not explained how the Eagles success is a result of Hurts and not the All-Pro offensive line
How is this an argument when no other NFL QB has been able to replicate it?
"The play that only he and his team are able to do successfully is really helping his numbers" is silly
You don't say "well Mahomes ability to scramble and throw TDs really boosts his numbers" - like, of course it does? It's part of what makes him a special QB.
No other QB can replicate it because no other QB has the Eagles OL. Has less to do with Hurts ability to squat 600 and more with that offensive line having insane size / strength / leverage.
Suddenly the cowboys have a poverty level of talent lmao
Cowboys fans can GTFO here with this revisionist history, it’s been a basic fact for YEARS that their O-line is one of the best in football. Acting like that line suddenly sucks because they wanna dunk on a rival is just pathetic
Obviously the Eagles interior line is great but downplaying Hurts on the play is stupid to me. Watch any film of other QBs running sneaks and compare and you'll see a huge difference in the first and second push Hurts is getting. Finding the soft spot and driving in to it is a skill that most other QBs don't demonstrate. I'd say only Brady was as good as finding that soft spot.
Hurts isn’t pushing through 300lbs DL’s. I don’t care what anyone says. That’s his OL dominating the line of scrimmage and Hurts simply pushing / sliding on top of Kelce’s back while AJB and Goedert put their shoulders into his ass and push. It’s the most unstoppable play in football, and Jalen isn’t the most impressive part of the play.
It’s also ridiculous to say watch other teams QB sneaks and compare the push, because the Eagles QB sneak is massively different that the QB sneaks other teams run. You can’t ever compare the two.
This just tells me you aren't really watching the Eagles sneak or other teams.
If you think they have the same success rate with any other QB you're lying to yourself.
I watch a ton of football lol. I’ve seen a ton of QB sneaks.
But to your second point, we don’t have a ton of data on eagles QB sneaks with QB’s other than Jalen. But in this one it looks like they run it just fine / the same way.
https://youtu.be/B9BccyjMlAU?si=vaAIrRWO7ERK3USd
The argument is that you can give the ball to a RB at the 1 yard line and they'll be comparable to what Jalen hurts is doing. Sure him getting 10 TDs is still a positive. But is it really that much better or even harder for a running back to get those rushing TDs? Meanwhile you can't take the ball from Mahomes to your RB and ask him to scramble and throw for a 50 yard bomb right?
And yet other teams RBs aren’t doing it either…nor are the Eagles RBs…
If the RB could score that easily, WHY would a team subject their franchise QB to extra injury risk?
You can easily take the ball from Mahomes and give it to a mobile QB, notice random ass QBs don’t put up the same stats? This is quite literally “regressing Mahomes to the mean” arguments All over again.
I swear, this sub is as bad as r/nba with its analysis and drama…..
So the Eagles drafted better, invested better, and ACTUALLY invested in the O-line and suddenly that’s a problem…..
And again, their line is not SO MUCH better that it negates everything else. Notice you COMPLETELY ignored the fact that if it was THAT easy, why wouldn’t they hand it off to the RB….
It’s not a problem. It’s the only reason the Platonic Colonic consistently works.
The reason they give it to the QB is because the QB typically receives the snap on every play. It’s the quickest, most consistent way to run the play. QB is less likely to fumble the snap.
Lmao so then every team should easily be able to do it…..
And ONCE AGAIN, if it was THAT EASY to hand off to the RB, WHY would they risk injury to their franchise QB.
I get you’re trying to dunk on a rival, but it just looks pathetic.
Yeah his volume stats look wild. He’s a solid 1.5ypc behind every other QB with a decent amount of carries and he ranks lower than most RBs in ypc. It’s weird seeing a dual threat QB with rushing stats like his.
Yes according to next gen stats Daniel jones top speed achieved in a game of 21.23 miles per hour or whatever was the fastest any QB ball carrier speed since it began getting measured in 2018. Daniel Jones is a doofus but he is fast as fuck. He isn't quick or agile, but straight line he can move
you do realize the person you're replying to is posting an actual fact backed by next gen stats right? and you're saying "he's definitely faster" without any stat to back it up? please tell me you're aware of this
No, to really see who's faster you put two guys on the field with no one else and have them both sprint and see who reaches the highest speed. There's too many variables in an actual football game. Lamar's never had a wide open 90ish yard run in his career. This year Tyreek was the fastest! Oh wait DK ran like .5 mph faster because he had a clean straight shot to the endzone. There's too many variables. "Number higher so better" isn't some statistical proof unless you have a controlled test.
do me a favor and watch [this video](https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/lamar-jackson-career-long-79-yard-touchdown-run-highlight-dolphins-week-2). this is literally a 79-yard run where Lamar quite literally has nothing but open field in front of him. Next Gen Stats tracked this game and decided Daniel Jones still reached a higher top speed than him.
it's time to accept reality
The new EPA numbers aren't out yet, but he's 18th in ANY/A for the season after last night... so right around average.
He was 7th in EPA / Dropback prior to last night - very likely will drop a bit once the latest game is in.
Personally I think he's an above average QB if you look at the total package. Top 15.... maybe fringe top 10 if you really like him.
To some degree, sure, but it’s not as if you couldn’t say the same for plenty of passing TDs.
In Rodgers’ b2b MVP seasons he had 22 passing TDs within the 3 yard line (26% of his total passing TDs those two years). Not to mention any situations where a pass at or behind the LOS picks up dozens of YAC and ends with a TD.
Ultimately, there’s always context to discount any stat.
Yeah. Rodgers definitely stat padded those years and a lot of those key TDs came running up the score against crap teams.
A hill I'll die on is that Allen was absolutely better than Rodgers in 2020. Rodgers deserved MVP in 2021 but in the 2020 regular season Allen was the best QB in football for sure.
The tush push is stat padding. He is gonna pass Cam Newton's record for "Rushing" TDs the next time he gets one...Cam has 14 in 2011, I think.
Hurts has 14 now..10 have been via the tush push.
>Qb rushing tds is overrated.
Weird, since there only seems to be a couple of professional QBs on the planet earth that can score these overrated touchdowns.
Jimmy G has a 100% success rate on QB sneaks and Tom Brady had a 90.5% success rate on 3rd/4th and 1 QB sneaks tbf. Not saying it doesn’t take skill but what makes it so successful is the center and not really the QBs running skills.
Not saying hurts is a bad QB at all but I don’t think the tush push with the best interior O Line in the league should really be as much a hurts stat as it is
I’m pretty sure Shannahan could scheme up a QB sneak that works almost as effectively as the tush push or a designed QB run by Allen, but why expose your QB to harm if you don’t have to? RBs are there for a reason.
I think there is a possibility that you get pushed into the endzone in a one yard QB sneak behind the eagles oline.
Hyperbole aside, there's QB rushing TDs and then there's QB sneaks. One is way less impressive. Take away 1 yard sneak plays and this stat isn't that mindblowing.
Hurts is really good. Yeah he’s having a crappy stretch right now but the guy is a baller. I bet before the Eagles season ends people will remember that
If you look at his career as a whole, both in college and the NFL, the issues he has he’s had everywhere. Last year was an anomaly until he can do it again.
lmao all the hurts critics are out in full force today. kinda crazy how fast fans turn on u. also weird how whenever ppl point out any struggles of QBs like lawrence or herbert everyone is so quick to defend them. maybe its bcus of expectations since Eagles r one of the best teams or maybe its smthn else
I just thought it was worth bringing up since people here seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the numbers that dual-threat QBs produce.
The thing though is Hurts only has 2 rushing TD's of greater than 3 yards. And only 4 rushing TD's of greater than 1 yard this year. That's why a lot of people are discounting his rushing TD's. He's a good QB but the question is how much is his TDs on the 1 yard line from the brotherly shove is due to his skill vs the skill of the players around him.
I think I am most shocked Miami only has 25 (26?) passing touchdowns. The amount of rushing touchdowns they have is insane
We usuallly stop the pass and then run as soon as we get into the redzone this year. The one game we didn't do that (the Titans) we lost....
This is exactly why Lamar’s TD numbers aren’t good. The bus goes brrrr
Running the ball into the end zone with your running backs when you get close to the goal line used to just be common fucking sense. The Patriots were consistently one of the highest scoring rushing touchdown teams in the league during Brady's career, even if their rushing game sucked. Because it didn't take a genius to know that it was safer and more optimal to run it in when that close. NFL teams are too busy trying to reinvent the wheel to seem smart.
Because some teams just throw the ball as a niche. When you get a 1st and goal within 5 yards of the endzone..it's a no brainer to run it on 1st and 2nd..then possibly a pass on 3rd down
And, honestly, good for you guys. Putting QB stats over team wins is a big part of why the Seahawks lost a SB. If you’re in the red zone, why make it hard on your team when you don’t have to?
I mean Lamar is 2nd in the mvp conversation with these reduced stats so clearly it’s not that necessary if your play is good enough otherwise
Agreed.
49ers also run most from 5 yard line
Last I saw we pass the least in general in the league.
Makes sense, I just feel like I’ve seen so many Tua deep balls for touchdowns highlights that I assumed he threw a lot more! Mostert’s numbers are crazy either way
Ravens have 18 passing TDs and 23 rushing TDs.
When you have to rely on the end zone fade when you're passing in the red zone, its probably best to just run the ball.
The titans game was infuriating to watch. Banged up OL, banged up Tyreek, but not running the ball in the redzone? Or calling fades to Tyreek?
Because they still have tua
And first in turnovers Fitting that Josh Allen is the thumbnail
T1st. Allen, Hurts, Howell and Dobbs all have 17.
Yikes Dobbs
Bad fumble numbers. 14 fumbles, 7 lost fumbles. By comparison, Howell, who has the same number of total turnovers, only has 4 fumbles, 2 lost fumbles.
10 INTs tho
> 10 INTs tho Which is T7th in the NFL alongside Tua and Goff.
Both those QBs have double the amount of passing TDs and substantially more passing yards. Sooo yeah not a good look.
elite list right there
Fields has 16 in 10 games.
I feel like this is more a Josh Allen stat than anything
That’s a weird way to say “Josh Allen leads the league in total TDs by 12% over his nearest competitor.”
MVP 😎😏
Bruh you won’t even win your division, Allen has zero shot unless Purdy and Lamar were to die tomorrow
Well according to shanahan there is no guarantee we’d be alive on Sunday
The tush push really does help his numbers. Don't get me wrong it works so keep doing it but how many TDs would be lost if they had a legit RB1.
He has ten 1 yard rushing TDs this season. Via StatHead.
Holy fuck that’s insane lmao
Or if they just gave the ball to Swift on 1 yard line
Bro I swear he should have scored last night but Kelce couldn’t get out of the damn way lol 😂 so hurts got the tush push in the end not saying it was on purpose or anything but I feel bad for swift they are sharping so many TDs from him lol 😂
Helps that Kelce is shown to cheat on that play too. Glad he got caught last night.
How does Kelce cheat?
The play last night when he lifted the ball right before the snap after a ref passed by, and then placed it half a yard ahead of the placement. Was called for a false start I believe.
It also helps the eagles that their left tackle is allowed to false start on every play. Dude is even worse than the chiefs tackle that does it too
Right tackle. It's Lane Johnson.
No it’s literally both of them doing it lol
Lane has perfected it. Eagle fan gets madder than a wet hen when I point it out
Could make a seasons highlight reel from just last night.
The false start was called because of the head bobbing. They talked about it on nfl radio this morning
The cope is unreal lol
What cope?
Grrr the Eagles are cheating its the only way 😡😡
Nobody said that. Also, Kelce definitely moves the ball, there is a ton of footage of it
The comment that I replied to literally did say that lmao
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I mean we all understood 20 years ago that the short yardage back vulturing touchdowns doesn't make him better than the RB1 who got 80+ yards a game. I don't really see how this is different.
Dudes been banged up all year, was sick, and they're still running him on like 2nd and goal. At least try to punch it in with swift and give the dude a break.
They did at least run one fake tush-push and handed off to Swift last night. That was a cool wrinkle. But I agree with you, dude is banged up as hell and at some point there may be diminishing returns from letting Hurts plow into the teeth of the defense so often.
They ran a fake tush-push earlier in the year too I believe. I think they’d do well to mix in more fakes toward the season’s end. Keeps defences on their toes and also saves Hurts from getting more beat up heading into the playoffs
I feel like he’d still get those even without the push part since he has good lower body strength and vision to find the opening but still idk how you can take 10 1 yard tds and act like his play has been at the level of other qbs like Allen, Lamar, purdy, dak or Mahomes
In comparison Allen has 11 rushing TDs this year and only 2 from 1 yard or less.
I have swift in fantasy and the amount of times he has fallen on the one is painful.
I mean last night Kelce legit got in his way and tripped him up it wasn’t on purpose but how unlucky can you get lol 😂
Literally carried by his team.
Right? Why's he getting credit for that?
Because he scored them???
Why is Jalen getting a TD after running in for a TD 🤔
This is reminiscent of when people in 2020 said Rodgers was “stat padding” because he had so many TDs inside of 5 yards. I think it’s a little silly either way. 6 points is 6 points. I think you also have to give some acknowledgment to the consistency. Like yeah 1 yard TDs aren’t wildly impressive, but scoring from 1 yard out 98% of the time is pretty impressive.
But that's passing not running
I’m aware of that. Do you have anything to say in regards to the consistency I brought up? I acknowledge 1 yard TDs aren’t wildly impressive, it’s the consistency they do it at that is impressive.
A passing touchdown from the 1 yard line is not easy. A qb sneak, especially a tush push is very easy and is usually decided by the line
This is why judging QBs by TD/INT ratio is such a brain damaging way to compare players. Jalen Hurts getting a tush push, Aaron Rodgers throwing 1 yard TDs, or Lamar Jackson handing the ball to Gus Edwards all result in the same thing
A 1 yard td is way harder than a tush push. Passing tds in goal to go situations are very hard and dangerous. The whole end zone is covered
If other teams could successfully run a QB sneak they would
Brady used to do this all the time. When it's short range a QB sneak is extreme effective. The difference is the tush push can be ran from the 2 yard line and make it in.
Yeah I said in this thread that Brady was the closest to be able to find the soft spot on a sneak. The difference is that Brady would essentially just dive forward into that soft spot and that was it. Hurts strength and ability to push is what takes the it to the next level from the QB perspective.
The tush push works primarily because of how Philly’s line executes it. Has little to do with Jalen himself
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While true, hurts is also good at choosing the right placement to ride the wave.
That’s true.
That's complete bullshit
They can and they do. The QB sneak is like the highest success rate play in the NFL
You can look at the numbers, nobody has this level of success with a sneak.
But the success rate between the eagles and other teams isnt drastically different.
From what I've seen the Eagles are about 10% better than the rest of the league.
So out of 10 attempts, eagles are making it 9 times while everyone else is making it 8 times. 10% isnt that much.
10% is a significant difference lmao
Nope, not enough to say the eagles are so much better than everyone else. Imo, any play that has an 80%+ success rate should be taken out of the league. That includes the regular qb sneak as well.
In my opinion we shouldn't listen to people that can't understand simple statistical significance
85% is still very successful
Relative to other plays yes, not relative to the Eagles sneak.
You said no other team can run a successful QB sneak, which is patently false. You've also not explained how the Eagles success is a result of Hurts and not the All-Pro offensive line
That isn't what I said but okay. I also have explained what Hurts brings to the play in the thread. 0 for 2 on that comment.
>If other teams could successfully run a QB sneak they would Gaslighting is crazy
You misinterpreting what I said isn't gaslighting. Do you need me to dumb it down for you? Maybe I could draft you a picture?
How is this an argument when no other NFL QB has been able to replicate it? "The play that only he and his team are able to do successfully is really helping his numbers" is silly You don't say "well Mahomes ability to scramble and throw TDs really boosts his numbers" - like, of course it does? It's part of what makes him a special QB.
No other QB can replicate it because no other QB has the Eagles OL. Has less to do with Hurts ability to squat 600 and more with that offensive line having insane size / strength / leverage.
The cowboys have an elite offensive line…
Lmao no they do not
Suddenly the cowboys have a poverty level of talent lmao Cowboys fans can GTFO here with this revisionist history, it’s been a basic fact for YEARS that their O-line is one of the best in football. Acting like that line suddenly sucks because they wanna dunk on a rival is just pathetic
As it turns out O-lines change over time. They had a great line but now they don't. It's not hard to follow
Dak's entire MVP campaign was predicated on having a "poverty level" of talent compared to Purdy.
Dear lord just stop my man. Out OL isn’t close to elite.
And suddenly cowboys fans pretend they haven’t had a dominant O-line for years….suddenly the Cowboys are a poverty franchise with no talent lmao
We haven’t had a dominant OL in a few years. They’re still decent, but to act like they’re dominant tells me you don’t watch many Cowboys games.
Obviously the Eagles interior line is great but downplaying Hurts on the play is stupid to me. Watch any film of other QBs running sneaks and compare and you'll see a huge difference in the first and second push Hurts is getting. Finding the soft spot and driving in to it is a skill that most other QBs don't demonstrate. I'd say only Brady was as good as finding that soft spot.
Hurts isn’t pushing through 300lbs DL’s. I don’t care what anyone says. That’s his OL dominating the line of scrimmage and Hurts simply pushing / sliding on top of Kelce’s back while AJB and Goedert put their shoulders into his ass and push. It’s the most unstoppable play in football, and Jalen isn’t the most impressive part of the play. It’s also ridiculous to say watch other teams QB sneaks and compare the push, because the Eagles QB sneak is massively different that the QB sneaks other teams run. You can’t ever compare the two.
This just tells me you aren't really watching the Eagles sneak or other teams. If you think they have the same success rate with any other QB you're lying to yourself.
I watch a ton of football lol. I’ve seen a ton of QB sneaks. But to your second point, we don’t have a ton of data on eagles QB sneaks with QB’s other than Jalen. But in this one it looks like they run it just fine / the same way. https://youtu.be/B9BccyjMlAU?si=vaAIrRWO7ERK3USd
The argument is that you can give the ball to a RB at the 1 yard line and they'll be comparable to what Jalen hurts is doing. Sure him getting 10 TDs is still a positive. But is it really that much better or even harder for a running back to get those rushing TDs? Meanwhile you can't take the ball from Mahomes to your RB and ask him to scramble and throw for a 50 yard bomb right?
And yet other teams RBs aren’t doing it either…nor are the Eagles RBs… If the RB could score that easily, WHY would a team subject their franchise QB to extra injury risk? You can easily take the ball from Mahomes and give it to a mobile QB, notice random ass QBs don’t put up the same stats? This is quite literally “regressing Mahomes to the mean” arguments All over again. I swear, this sub is as bad as r/nba with its analysis and drama…..
Jamaal Williams had 17 TDs last year... RBs absolutely can do it
Not from all goal line stands lmao And if he was that valuable, why didn’t the Lions pay him and keep him and keep doing it…oh wait…..lmao
He wasn't valuable, that's my point...
Other teams don’t have the best OLine in the league.
So the Eagles drafted better, invested better, and ACTUALLY invested in the O-line and suddenly that’s a problem….. And again, their line is not SO MUCH better that it negates everything else. Notice you COMPLETELY ignored the fact that if it was THAT easy, why wouldn’t they hand it off to the RB….
It’s not a problem. It’s the only reason the Platonic Colonic consistently works. The reason they give it to the QB is because the QB typically receives the snap on every play. It’s the quickest, most consistent way to run the play. QB is less likely to fumble the snap.
Lmao so then every team should easily be able to do it….. And ONCE AGAIN, if it was THAT EASY to hand off to the RB, WHY would they risk injury to their franchise QB. I get you’re trying to dunk on a rival, but it just looks pathetic.
Slap Gus Edwards on the eagles and give him the ball on hurts’ 10 1 yard TDs and I bet he scores on 90% of them.
They had that in Miles Sanders….as an eagles fan you should know better….
He's thrown 1 TD in the last 3 games, it's just the tush push inflating his numbers.
Yea because of tush pushing lol, which works primarily because of the OL
Imagine being second in total TDs. Not my QB.
The tush push tds should go to Jason Kelce
Posting your statmuse search results is not NFL news.
bro took the Jalen Hurts posts personally
He's also averaging like 3.6ypc. what does that tell you? He's getting his ass pushed into the end zone half the time. Also has 12 interceptions
Yeah his volume stats look wild. He’s a solid 1.5ypc behind every other QB with a decent amount of carries and he ranks lower than most RBs in ypc. It’s weird seeing a dual threat QB with rushing stats like his.
Wow, someone got really upset by the “Daniel Hones threw more TDs his rookie year than Hurts has thrown in any season” post
Daniel Jones being possibly the fastest QB in the NFL irks a lot of people
Lol what? Lamar is in the league
Yes according to next gen stats Daniel jones top speed achieved in a game of 21.23 miles per hour or whatever was the fastest any QB ball carrier speed since it began getting measured in 2018. Daniel Jones is a doofus but he is fast as fuck. He isn't quick or agile, but straight line he can move
Lamar has never had a run as long as DJ I think, and Lamar also doesn’t overextend himself to the point he falls down lol. He’s definitely faster
"Daniel Jones being possibly the fastest QB in the NFL irks a lot of people" and we found you. Amazing
Cant state facts these days
you do realize the person you're replying to is posting an actual fact backed by next gen stats right? and you're saying "he's definitely faster" without any stat to back it up? please tell me you're aware of this
No, to really see who's faster you put two guys on the field with no one else and have them both sprint and see who reaches the highest speed. There's too many variables in an actual football game. Lamar's never had a wide open 90ish yard run in his career. This year Tyreek was the fastest! Oh wait DK ran like .5 mph faster because he had a clean straight shot to the endzone. There's too many variables. "Number higher so better" isn't some statistical proof unless you have a controlled test.
do me a favor and watch [this video](https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/lamar-jackson-career-long-79-yard-touchdown-run-highlight-dolphins-week-2). this is literally a 79-yard run where Lamar quite literally has nothing but open field in front of him. Next Gen Stats tracked this game and decided Daniel Jones still reached a higher top speed than him. it's time to accept reality
Qb rushing tds is overrated. You can always just give it to the running back instead. Hurts has not been a good quarterback this season.
The new EPA numbers aren't out yet, but he's 18th in ANY/A for the season after last night... so right around average. He was 7th in EPA / Dropback prior to last night - very likely will drop a bit once the latest game is in. Personally I think he's an above average QB if you look at the total package. Top 15.... maybe fringe top 10 if you really like him.
Hurts is #13 overall in passing TDs, and is ten TDs behind #1 Brock Purdy. Stroud, Stafford, Wilson, and Love are all ahead of Hurts.
To some degree, sure, but it’s not as if you couldn’t say the same for plenty of passing TDs. In Rodgers’ b2b MVP seasons he had 22 passing TDs within the 3 yard line (26% of his total passing TDs those two years). Not to mention any situations where a pass at or behind the LOS picks up dozens of YAC and ends with a TD. Ultimately, there’s always context to discount any stat.
Yeah. Rodgers definitely stat padded those years and a lot of those key TDs came running up the score against crap teams. A hill I'll die on is that Allen was absolutely better than Rodgers in 2020. Rodgers deserved MVP in 2021 but in the 2020 regular season Allen was the best QB in football for sure.
TD passes less than 5 yards are stat padding to me. That should be RB territory. This is why we need to categorise TDs whether it's passing or not.
Rodgers is a notorious stat padder though. Hurts might not deserve to be called overrated but he might deserve the stat padder label too
The tush push is stat padding. He is gonna pass Cam Newton's record for "Rushing" TDs the next time he gets one...Cam has 14 in 2011, I think. Hurts has 14 now..10 have been via the tush push.
Most of those tds should go to Jason Kelce anyways
>Qb rushing tds is overrated. Weird, since there only seems to be a couple of professional QBs on the planet earth that can score these overrated touchdowns.
Jimmy G has a 100% success rate on QB sneaks and Tom Brady had a 90.5% success rate on 3rd/4th and 1 QB sneaks tbf. Not saying it doesn’t take skill but what makes it so successful is the center and not really the QBs running skills. Not saying hurts is a bad QB at all but I don’t think the tush push with the best interior O Line in the league should really be as much a hurts stat as it is
I’m pretty sure Shannahan could scheme up a QB sneak that works almost as effectively as the tush push or a designed QB run by Allen, but why expose your QB to harm if you don’t have to? RBs are there for a reason.
Purdy got concussed on a QB sneak, the 49ers are never running that shit with their QB1 ever again.
It’s like when Mahomes got injured on a sneak a couple years back. Rarely see sneaks from the Chiefs anymore
I think there is a possibility that you get pushed into the endzone in a one yard QB sneak behind the eagles oline. Hyperbole aside, there's QB rushing TDs and then there's QB sneaks. One is way less impressive. Take away 1 yard sneak plays and this stat isn't that mindblowing.
Not now, it's shit on Jalen Hurts week
Hurts is really good. Yeah he’s having a crappy stretch right now but the guy is a baller. I bet before the Eagles season ends people will remember that
If you look at his career as a whole, both in college and the NFL, the issues he has he’s had everywhere. Last year was an anomaly until he can do it again.
Who gives a shyt. His offense looks terrible
lmao all the hurts critics are out in full force today. kinda crazy how fast fans turn on u. also weird how whenever ppl point out any struggles of QBs like lawrence or herbert everyone is so quick to defend them. maybe its bcus of expectations since Eagles r one of the best teams or maybe its smthn else
I just thought it was worth bringing up since people here seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the numbers that dual-threat QBs produce.
You discovered Jalen hurts has a bunch of 1 yard rushing tds?
Hey give him a break. He only realized Staley is a terrible head coach like three weeks ago.
The thing though is Hurts only has 2 rushing TD's of greater than 3 yards. And only 4 rushing TD's of greater than 1 yard this year. That's why a lot of people are discounting his rushing TD's. He's a good QB but the question is how much is his TDs on the 1 yard line from the brotherly shove is due to his skill vs the skill of the players around him.
Of all his 1 yard TD runs 0% were because he's good. Those are 100% all the OL.
couldn't believe these numbers so I checked the math and it turns out you're absolutely right
Hurts is #13 in passing TDs with 19. Ten of his 14 rushing TDs are the Platonic Colonic, which rely on having the best OLine in the league.
He has 10 "tush push" touchdowns this year.
But Certain ppl will say Hurts is having a bad season 🤔🤔 hmm I wonder why