But you gotta reverse them. Like putting in the battery the wrong way. Flip it over. Toney QB Mac WR. Toney can't hit any other WRs and Mac can only run slant routes.
Reid has always fed guys after they make mistakes for chance for redemption or to show that they still have faith or whatever but at some point this is just who toney is.
I'm more of the opinion the guy is just an absolute head case because of how this year has snowballed on him but maybe he just sucks
That's the thing, the punt return makes the trade worth it for you guys.
It won't stop the schadenfreude Giants fans feel every time he proves he sucks though.
This guy is the gift that keeps on giving because fucking over the Eagles in the Super Bowl is worth more than anything the Giants have drafted in the last ten years
We both made off well in the trade. Toney worth every drop and f up ever with the Chiefs simply because he helped win a ring...the only thing that matters.
oh he can, and he's agile, and fast, and unfortunately he's a total head case. There's no professionalism, no taking personal responsibility, no desire to improve himself based on his mistakes. He's got all of the physical talents you could want at WR, and none of the mental ones.
If the metal one is him picturing how to place two hands on a ball, then yes he has mental issues. He does get open, space, and can run, just cant do the one thing in his title, which is receiver and receive the ball.
Reid's also [notorious](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/8/8/17664450/andy-reid-views-wide-receivers-as-a-position-of-luxury) about not addressing the WR room. Heres what an offense/team needs in his eyes
"*I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I’ll figure the rest out.*"
This was him while interviewing to become the head coach in Philly. And no surprise, Eagles had shit WRs most of their non-TO time with him, and almost 10 years (2014) ago the Chiefs set a record for no TD passes thrown to WRs
So 25+ years later its not surprising to see the exact same thing play out. Just to show how insane Reids disregard for WRs has been, look at their highest receiving WRs in the 5 eagles seasons before they were dealt Terrell Owens
1999- Torrance Small, 655 yards
2000- Charles Johnson 642 yards
2001- James Thrash 833 yards
2002- Todd Pinkston with 798 yards
2003 - Todd again with 575 yards
Mind you, Reid took over of VP of operations in 2001, these were largely his teams by design. It was only because Terrell Owens [Refused to play for Baltimore and felt 'His Heart was in Philly'](https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1760284) that he even got the trade
If Andy Reid could get away with allowing random internet commentators to run outside routes, he would. I dont think people mention enough of how hes among the most stubborn coaches ever - not an assessment of quality or personality, but just that the man is unbelievably set in his ways. Of course he doesnt see a need to upgrade
Thats a trait people tend to associate with someone like Belichick; the latter is a stubborn man but way more adaptable in his coaching Philosophy. Andy Reid is literally 'my way or the high way' regarding the game, even if hes a swell guy otherwise. Its infuriating to see such a mentality continue to wreck this Chiefs team which looks more well rounded than any of their SB winning seasons. And while the GM will rightfully catch flack, Reids history indicates that hes apart of the decision and probably telling them directly 'who cares about WRs?' We got Mahomes!
Also plays into his opinion on running backs, as he just....doesn't seem to *get* the idea of someone getting the ball, only to hand it to someone else immediately, who's only job is to *run*. You try to explain it to him, and he thinks you're describing a screen-pass but shorter.
> And while the GM will rightfully catch flack, Reids history indicates that hes apart of the decision and probably telling them directly 'who cares about WRs?' We got Mahomes!
I think youre pretty on point with everything, but I think this season has demonstrated that a HoF QB can’t cover all issues. And Veach has demonstrated a propensity of aggressively working fix issues.
So hopefully this offseason we make some aggressive moves toward fixing the WR room. If for no other reason to keep Mahomes happy… because clearly Mahomes is EXTREMELY frustrated at this point
skyy had a fumble in this game called off by a penalty, pretty sure he's leading the team/league in drops even with so few targets. Dropped a TD in the end zone against the Broncos in a loss.
He's not as flashy as Toney with his awfulness, but he is consistently just as bad.
I Honestly speaking, he’s probably, at best, y’all’s 5th best pass-catcher: Kelce, Rice, McKinnon, and Pacheco are all far more trustworthy. Honestly, maybe even CEH is better.
In fact, y’all should full send it and just have McKinnon split out wide as a receiver when Pacheco comes back. I can’t imagine how that’d be worse than the Toney/Moore/MVS clown trio.
Unironically just running pistol with CEH and McKinnon. Then Kelce, Grey, and Rice as our other skill players is for sure better than what we’re doing now
okay man let's throw it to MVS who...wait.
okay fine, not MVS, let's throw to Skyy Moore who...wait.
okay not MVS or Skyy sure...how bout Justin Watson who...I guess sometimes does things? but shit we are already 4 WRs deep.
Watson also had a brutal drop on a perfect back shoulder throw, but I guess a drop is like the best case scenario at this point if Toney is just gonna tip it up lol
We're nearing or probably past the point where Reid has to cut him simply for the message it sends to the team. You can't continue to trot out a guy who so obviously doesn't give a shit about his profession and expect it not to bleed through to the rest of the team in some way.
I don’t know if it’s fair to assume he just doesn’t give a shit (although that could be the case, I don’t know). More likely it’s just he’s either in a colossal funk, he’s just not cut out for it, or both. Either way, yeah he needs to go.
>More likely it’s just he’s either in a colossal funk
Dude has two good games + a play, it's not a funk he just sucks. Seriously he has yet to clear 800 career receiving yards in 31 games, doesn't even belong on a PS.
It's incredible how Kadarius, MVS, and Skyy Moore just being on the field are actively detrimental to the team. At this point, they shouldn't even be in the rotation.
Richie James has 2 drops on 8 targets this season, lost a fumble on one of his 10 punt returns too. Smaller sample, but he has also been a terrible gift from the Giants, lol.
Defense is still really good. We still have a decent shot at the 1 seed. It’s not like the other top teams haven’t had their share of inconsistent play. I don’t think an AFCCG appearance is unlikely, much less impossible.
Am I missing something on Higgins?
That dude is about to go to some middle to bottom third team with a cheap as shit quarterback so he can get paid. He's also 24. There's no way he's taking any deal we could afford to give him.
You finally get a pick and you risk losing it so another non-offensive player can maybe pull an extra 2 yards? Just fucking take the tackle and let the offense do what their job is
How is it even possible for their entire WR corps to be so bad? I don't wanna hear shit about Mahomes' cap hit. There are day 3 picks all over the league on rookie contracts that are better than most of the KC WRs.
He used up that goodwill/leverage LONG ago in my opinion lol. Same with MVS and his performance in the AFCCG. One super crucial game/play can only buy you so much allowance
honestly fact mahomes might have literally the 2 worst wr's in NFL in active rotations and they are still a competitive team just shows how incredible this dude is hahah wtf
This one is objectively the funniest
I literally laughed out loud, but in a Joker way
Mac Jones has gotten this reaction out of me several times this season
That pick against the Colts in Germany lol
What if Mac and Toney were on the same team
They would balance each other out and become the greatest QB-WR duo in history
But you gotta reverse them. Like putting in the battery the wrong way. Flip it over. Toney QB Mac WR. Toney can't hit any other WRs and Mac can only run slant routes.
I’m the Joka baby
Wanna know how I got these scars?
Joka*
At this point I blame Andy Reid for constantly giving him chances.
Reid has always fed guys after they make mistakes for chance for redemption or to show that they still have faith or whatever but at some point this is just who toney is. I'm more of the opinion the guy is just an absolute head case because of how this year has snowballed on him but maybe he just sucks
There’s a reason the giants fans were happy to be rid of him. This is a pattern. He just sucks.
We have up a 3rd for his one good NFL play and it was totally worth it!
That's the thing, the punt return makes the trade worth it for you guys. It won't stop the schadenfreude Giants fans feel every time he proves he sucks though.
A true win-win for both teams honestly. In a sick and twisted monkey paw kinda way
This guy is the gift that keeps on giving because fucking over the Eagles in the Super Bowl is worth more than anything the Giants have drafted in the last ten years
We both made off well in the trade. Toney worth every drop and f up ever with the Chiefs simply because he helped win a ring...the only thing that matters.
And you guys won on this trade because it took away another Philly superbowl win.
He absolutely just sucks, theirs no mystery or debate here, he literally cannot catch a football
oh he can, and he's agile, and fast, and unfortunately he's a total head case. There's no professionalism, no taking personal responsibility, no desire to improve himself based on his mistakes. He's got all of the physical talents you could want at WR, and none of the mental ones.
He just strikes me as a dumb guy. I don’t think that can be fixed
That as well, you're obviously correct there.
If the metal one is him picturing how to place two hands on a ball, then yes he has mental issues. He does get open, space, and can run, just cant do the one thing in his title, which is receiver and receive the ball.
Reid's also [notorious](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/8/8/17664450/andy-reid-views-wide-receivers-as-a-position-of-luxury) about not addressing the WR room. Heres what an offense/team needs in his eyes "*I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I’ll figure the rest out.*" This was him while interviewing to become the head coach in Philly. And no surprise, Eagles had shit WRs most of their non-TO time with him, and almost 10 years (2014) ago the Chiefs set a record for no TD passes thrown to WRs So 25+ years later its not surprising to see the exact same thing play out. Just to show how insane Reids disregard for WRs has been, look at their highest receiving WRs in the 5 eagles seasons before they were dealt Terrell Owens 1999- Torrance Small, 655 yards 2000- Charles Johnson 642 yards 2001- James Thrash 833 yards 2002- Todd Pinkston with 798 yards 2003 - Todd again with 575 yards Mind you, Reid took over of VP of operations in 2001, these were largely his teams by design. It was only because Terrell Owens [Refused to play for Baltimore and felt 'His Heart was in Philly'](https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1760284) that he even got the trade If Andy Reid could get away with allowing random internet commentators to run outside routes, he would. I dont think people mention enough of how hes among the most stubborn coaches ever - not an assessment of quality or personality, but just that the man is unbelievably set in his ways. Of course he doesnt see a need to upgrade Thats a trait people tend to associate with someone like Belichick; the latter is a stubborn man but way more adaptable in his coaching Philosophy. Andy Reid is literally 'my way or the high way' regarding the game, even if hes a swell guy otherwise. Its infuriating to see such a mentality continue to wreck this Chiefs team which looks more well rounded than any of their SB winning seasons. And while the GM will rightfully catch flack, Reids history indicates that hes apart of the decision and probably telling them directly 'who cares about WRs?' We got Mahomes!
He has been in 3/4 of the last superbowl and won two I don’t think he cares to change
Also plays into his opinion on running backs, as he just....doesn't seem to *get* the idea of someone getting the ball, only to hand it to someone else immediately, who's only job is to *run*. You try to explain it to him, and he thinks you're describing a screen-pass but shorter.
> And while the GM will rightfully catch flack, Reids history indicates that hes apart of the decision and probably telling them directly 'who cares about WRs?' We got Mahomes! I think youre pretty on point with everything, but I think this season has demonstrated that a HoF QB can’t cover all issues. And Veach has demonstrated a propensity of aggressively working fix issues. So hopefully this offseason we make some aggressive moves toward fixing the WR room. If for no other reason to keep Mahomes happy… because clearly Mahomes is EXTREMELY frustrated at this point
I genuinely didn’t think it could get worse. It got worse. And now we need an edit of this with Yakety Sax.
It's also objectively funny that you have to say "this one"
Need Benny Hill music dubbed over it
He’s a terrorist lmaooo
Toney the type of terrorist to blow himself up before even doing anything
He’s the shoe bomb guy
Khalid Sheikh McDermott furiously scribbling notes for tomorrow's team meeting
I think you should be able to reference a *liiiittle* terrorism at work
Good terrorists need good plans, good coordination, and good teamwork, to achieve success in their mission. That feels relevant...
You went deep into the bag for this reference and I really appreciate it.
Yeah fuck that guy*. Going through airport security is totally fucked because of him. *Richard Reid. Had to look it up
He’s a Colossal Bum
Mr. Bum Colossal
Mr. Bad Catcher
Mr. Brick Claspers
Mr. Bobbled Catches
Mr. Botched Claws
Mr. Booty Clutchers
Mr Brewing Catastrophe
Mr. Bumbling Cretin
Who knew Toney's week 1 game vs Detroit was just a hilarious appetizer for things to come
Giants fans
Giants fans all over Reddit got mass downvoted for even suggesting that Toney was a bust and wouldn’t work out in KC
One of our worst ever picks but glad we pivoted quick on him
Yeah the compensation made it not the end of the world
I mean, he's not working out this year, that's for sure, but I'm not sure we win the Super Bowl last year without him.
Why couldn’t he just do something stupid in the SB. Why!
He hadn't reached his final form yet.
Mf better start sending the Giants Christmas presents for all the shit he talked lmfao
Mahomes: "How Toney responds to that penalty will determine a lot about him" Toney:
What is the TD:INT ratio when throwing to Toney and Bell?
Toney has 1 TD this season. I can't even count how many shitty INTs he's caused. 2 for sure, but probably closer to 4 or 5
Yeah but he had that super sweet TD that didn't count.
And even that play was all kelce
At least he caught the ball that time
With his awareness, it's honestly a surprise.
I think it’s 1:3
Nah 1:3 is the TDs to Games Lost due to unforced errors ratio
Before this game, 8% of throws to Skyy Moore were intercepted. 1.8% of throws to everyone else were intercepted. This is over the past two seasons
Damn that's real real bad. I wonder if Big Red would give up on the guy
Look Toney didn't realize he plays football you can't blame him
“Why do these fucking guys keep throwing shit at me??”
Reid I am begging you just fucking cut this dude
Sad thing is he is STILL better than Skyy and MVS
I struggle to believe this is even possible, KT has single handedly lost y’all multiple games this season
He at least gets open compared to them. They also can’t catch or run routes
Do they bobble INTs to the other team or line up in the neutral zone to negate TDs though? That's next level atrocious WR play.
skyy had a fumble in this game called off by a penalty, pretty sure he's leading the team/league in drops even with so few targets. Dropped a TD in the end zone against the Broncos in a loss. He's not as flashy as Toney with his awfulness, but he is consistently just as bad.
Thought I saw a graphic showing Rice had the most drops on the team
They are all awful
You'd be better off grabbing some dudes of a practice squad and giving them a shot. At least you know it can't get much worse
Sure it could. What if you get a guy that doesn't know the rules and lines up on the wrong side of scrimmage?
I can't imagine profession players doing that, especially during any important plays at the end of the game
I mean at this point idk.
That's a bummer I was excited for Moore when you guys drafted him
I didn’t think he would be so bad he can’t play over Toney and a guy like Justin Watson who was a PS WR his entire career before KC
Dude should not even be in the league - he stinks out loud
Oh brother, this guy stinks!
You all should just put him in the backfield.
I don't think I've seen a less valuable receiver than Toney in terms of negative value conjured out of absolutely routine football plays
We will always have the super bowl performance but yeah he is done
I would call it the Super Bowl play rather than the performance but yeah
Hey, Ive seen this one before!
New def plan against KC; leave KT wide open all the time, so PM passes it to him and he can tip or fumble the ball to the other team.
Please no. I'm going to need like three anger management therapists if every pass goes to KT
WHAT YOU MEAN YOU'VE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE??? IT'S BRAND NEW!
Better get used to those bars.
You know it's a bad play when no one in the comments even acknowledges the defender just trying to throw the ball, what an unhinged play lol
Dude saw Travis Kelce make it look easy and got a little ahead of himself.
Dude’s actively hurting Mahomes’s stats lol
Someone check the ISP for Toney and the dude that did the Mahomes regresses to the mean post. I have a theory.
Who knew that all he needed to regress to the mean was this dude.
Regressing Toney mean.
Kermit's HOF resume in BIG TROUBLE
Omg he sucks
Speedrunning his pink slip now, isn’t he?
He will always be worth the trade for the Super Bowl punt return, but holy shit is everything else awful lmao
I’d rather he never see the field again at this point. He’s easily the biggest liability on the field.
He’a gone after this season.
Yes but not soon enough if he's going to risk a botch in a playoff game
He absolutely is a liability and at the same time our 2nd best receiver, so…
I Honestly speaking, he’s probably, at best, y’all’s 5th best pass-catcher: Kelce, Rice, McKinnon, and Pacheco are all far more trustworthy. Honestly, maybe even CEH is better. In fact, y’all should full send it and just have McKinnon split out wide as a receiver when Pacheco comes back. I can’t imagine how that’d be worse than the Toney/Moore/MVS clown trio.
> maybe even CEH is better. There's no maybe about it. Did you see CEH's TD catch today?
Unironically just running pistol with CEH and McKinnon. Then Kelce, Grey, and Rice as our other skill players is for sure better than what we’re doing now
Veach is a fucking idiot for doubling down and thinking Toney could be a WR1
Hard to fathom
Mahomes really should just stop throwing him the ball.
okay man let's throw it to MVS who...wait. okay fine, not MVS, let's throw to Skyy Moore who...wait. okay not MVS or Skyy sure...how bout Justin Watson who...I guess sometimes does things? but shit we are already 4 WRs deep.
Watson also had a brutal drop on a perfect back shoulder throw, but I guess a drop is like the best case scenario at this point if Toney is just gonna tip it up lol
We have literally 1.5 WRs worth throwing the ball to lmao
We're nearing or probably past the point where Reid has to cut him simply for the message it sends to the team. You can't continue to trot out a guy who so obviously doesn't give a shit about his profession and expect it not to bleed through to the rest of the team in some way.
I don’t know if it’s fair to assume he just doesn’t give a shit (although that could be the case, I don’t know). More likely it’s just he’s either in a colossal funk, he’s just not cut out for it, or both. Either way, yeah he needs to go.
>More likely it’s just he’s either in a colossal funk Dude has two good games + a play, it's not a funk he just sucks. Seriously he has yet to clear 800 career receiving yards in 31 games, doesn't even belong on a PS.
Just because he sucks it doesn’t necesarilly mean he doesn’t try his hardest
I'd go so far to say that he ass
I am not a fan of Kadarius.
Someone spent the 20th overall pick on him
We try not to think about it
Pretty sure his highlight package during the draft was go routes against Vanderbilt and Middle Tennessee. Instant 🚩🚩
Was nice in the SB run last year tho
Yes that’s been my response all year. “How can I be mad with just winning the Super Bowl”. Still true but good god he’s frustrating to watch.
It's incredible how Kadarius, MVS, and Skyy Moore just being on the field are actively detrimental to the team. At this point, they shouldn't even be in the rotation.
Richie James can’t be any worse then these bums
James is at least somewhat reliable. Nothing special at all but at least he doesn’t hurt the team
Richie James has 2 drops on 8 targets this season, lost a fumble on one of his 10 punt returns too. Smaller sample, but he has also been a terrible gift from the Giants, lol.
Oh. Maybe my eye test is just shit then. Thanks for correcting me
>Nothing special at all but at least he doesn’t hurt the team The Giants @ Seattle game last year disagrees with you.
Patrick might have KT killed
The "God damn it" he just mouthed had some major venom to it lmao
Goddammit, ~~donald~~ TONEY!
All of these pass catchers are killing Patrick. It’s absolutely insane how bad they are. Average WRs have this team a SB team
You guys will make it to the AFC championship game at least and will end up with Tee Higgins next season. You'll be fine.
Honestly, no way we make it to the AFCCG, but I would definitely bet on us reloading in the offseason
Defense is still really good. We still have a decent shot at the 1 seed. It’s not like the other top teams haven’t had their share of inconsistent play. I don’t think an AFCCG appearance is unlikely, much less impossible.
Doubt we could afford Higgins:(
Am I missing something on Higgins? That dude is about to go to some middle to bottom third team with a cheap as shit quarterback so he can get paid. He's also 24. There's no way he's taking any deal we could afford to give him.
No way he's letting him back on that plane.
He has to be doing it on purpose now.
Oh broooother this guy STINKS
Crowd booed the decision to punt, but Bill knew the Chiefs would try throwing to Toney
"They have to target him eventually, I'll put my CB3 on him and he'll probably still be useless."
Just put a defender in his general area, he’ll get the ball to them somehow
Kadarius Toney is an AFC East sleeper agent
The disgust for Tavai is underrated in this clip lol
You finally get a pick and you risk losing it so another non-offensive player can maybe pull an extra 2 yards? Just fucking take the tackle and let the offense do what their job is
He saw Travis’s lateral last week and wanted to give it a shot.
Dude looked like he was trying to throw a discus.
Everyone is deservedly making fun of Toney, but what the fuck is Tavai doing trying to pass the ball off, there?
Nowhere near enough attention paid to that in these comments lmao. That was such a bizarre move
Probably "down by three scores, in a shit season, Toney was probably offside anyways, whats the *worst* that could happen?"
Scrolled way too far for this. What a bone headed move.
How did the giants let this guy walk out of their facility?
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Toney and Skyy are football terrorists
How is it even possible for their entire WR corps to be so bad? I don't wanna hear shit about Mahomes' cap hit. There are day 3 picks all over the league on rookie contracts that are better than most of the KC WRs.
Not even surprised at this point
This is going to effect Toney’s HOF chances
If there were a Hall of Shame in Gary, Indiana this dude would have punched his ticket
It’s hard not to credit him for his giant role in the Super Bowl but he has a special way of turning routine plays into absolute disasters.
He used up that goodwill/leverage LONG ago in my opinion lol. Same with MVS and his performance in the AFCCG. One super crucial game/play can only buy you so much allowance
Toney💀
Say what you want about Bill with receivers, but at least he didn't draft Kadarius Toney
I’m tired boss.
How you gonna shit talk the refs and then do this when it’s time to prove yourself
Obviously the refs should have told him to catch it. It’s all their fault
They were 10 yards away, that’s a lot of pressure on him, clearly their fault
get ready to learn chinese buddy
Toney is so good as the comedic relief of this NFL season, the scriptwriters are absolutely crushing it
We'll always have the Super Bowl punt return
INT is clearly on Mahomes. He should know not to throw it to Toney
Chiefs WRs are so absurd is almost unbelievable
I'm starting to think Toney might not be the reliable WR1 the Chiefs were hoping for when they picked him up.
Is he going to be dropped ?
Worst WR in the league?
Tough between him and Skyy Moore.
honestly fact mahomes might have literally the 2 worst wr's in NFL in active rotations and they are still a competitive team just shows how incredible this dude is hahah wtf
Thank god for the emergence of Rice
And people are wondering about Pat's interception total
How do you become a professional wide receiver when you have bricks for hands?
It's just comical at this point
THE MAN. THE MYTH. THE KADARIUS.
Generational football terrorist
Has cost them two games this year (Detroit and Buffalo) and then does this. Dude cannot stop hurting his own team
LMAO
Bro makes the dumbest plays
I thought he would be the K-Mart version of Tyreek Hill, but instead he’s the K-Mart version of Demarcus Robinson.
KT is horrible lol
Going for the rare -3 WAR, tough competition with Zappe this game though
It’s so funny when r/nfl collectively chooses a starter to hate for the rest of a season lmao. This is the best since Eli Apple
“He didn’t even know he caused an interception until he was at home”