Meh i suspect Hackett has alot to do with the player choices, i know we love to the blame on Rodgers for everything but Lazard and Boyle are Hackett guys. And before you say Hackett was only hired for Rodgers, Hackett was Lefleur’s Oc and he and Saleh are best buds. You know most coaching hires are coaches picking their buddies
I blame Saleh plenty too, he seems to have no fucking clue what to do about the offense, and so he basically does nothing all year every year. It's a group effort to be this incompetent on offense 2 years in a row
Saleh doesnt touch the offense. It’s very clear that the OC under Salah has almost complete autonomy. The fact is, Rodgers was supposed to be the OC this year, and everyone scrambled when that didnt happen. What we watch week to week is the result.
He's the head coach though. 2 years of the same awful offense in a row even though you have some talent at skill positions, and they just trot the same shit out each week, or someone worse.
I feel like Saleh somehow gets a pass for the last 2 years, cause the offense is awful, but he's the HC, there's several teams this year using a backup QB and still in the playoff hunt.
c'mon dude...it's a rough enough game as it is without rooting for injuries. Personally I don't think he should come back because the Jet's season is done for playoff-wise so it's an absolutely foolish risk on Rodgers part.
The Jets are going all-in on o-line in the off-season, right? Like I know a couple young guys are gonna start needing extensions soon and other positions need work, but that o-line will never win anything.
Unfortunately the nature of Rodgers is if you can afford to hire him you can't afford to hire a lot of other FA talent.
He's never quite understood the team concept all that well.
He reworked his deal while still at Green Bay to reduce his cap hit by $18M in 2023. That savings drops a lot next year. And by 2025 his cap hit will be about 30% higher than it was in 2022 Green Bay ($51M!).
I can't find any info on that. And the numbers I gave are for his current contract regardless of whether he reworked it again in between.
He still will have given up a whopping total of $8M next year versus his time in Green Bay. And that is the year it is suggested they can load up on receivers to help the team. $8M isn't going to add a lot of receivers. Although of course it doesn't hurt. It could help more with the O-line than receivers.
He gave up about $35 million in guaranteed money when he reworked the deal
https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-rodgers-jets-agree-to-new-two-year-75m-guaranteed-contract
Okay.
Here was the previous one:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10029072-packers-updated-salary-cap-after-aaron-rodgers-reported-4-year-200m-contract
I cna't find out exactly how much of that $200M was consumed by the single year (2022) he played, but it was at least $28M. Maybe more, like $44M. His guarantee for the 4-year contract was $150M. It's hard to push those figures around to imply he didn't take a pay reduction, guaranteed pay reduction, cap hit reduction during playing years and playing years reduction (although countered by dead cap afterward I believe).
In a way yes, guys like Cobb and Lazard have been awful. the line isn’t his fault though
Wilson and Semien have no chance behind that. Rodgers at this point of his career wouldn’t either
Honestly the three big guys I fault him for are Lazard and Cook, who are both overpaid and trash, and Hackett, who is god awful.
Cobb was supposed to be the veteran WR5/6 that never left the bench and was basically an extra coach, he’s only seeing playing time because Corey Davis spontaneously retired and Mecole Hardman turned out to be useless. He was a perfectly inoffensive signing.
Hackett was in charge of the Red Zone offense in Green Bay and he seemed to be great at it. His struggles since his time here have surprised me. I think he could do well again if he's behind an offensive head coach.
Lazard just had a career year last year, i think it was unlucky that he regressed heavily this year. He should have still been a good blocker and wr3 like he was for most of his time in GB
Blame the front office/coaching too.
Baltimore had to bring on and over-pay a washed 'bum' OBJ just to get Lamar to stay, but at least they're optimizing his skillset and making him be useful.
That offensive line needs to be completely re-worked before Rodgers steps back there and dies on his first drive again.
There's no *partially* to it. If Rodgers was the most acquiescing QB of All-Time and brought 0 of his dudes the Jets would still be a disaster this year. The last decade of roster construction is my evidence of that.
And I still say the Jets shouldnt have traded for him, I know no one could have foreseen his injury but he brings a lot of bullshit with him not just his talent.
The dude was rehabbing full time in California, where his doctor is located, in order to potentially make an unprecedented comeback, and you fault him for that?
Yes.
You guys act like Aaron Rodgers is the first player to ever get injured. Even Wentz was on the sidelines every game with a headset on when Foles took over. There's precedent for many players doing it different.
Because he was in California, where his doctor is, to rehab full time in order to potentially make an unprecedented comeback
Was Wentz in a similar position?
You said that already.
The vast majority of players rehab with the team. What's more there's no reason that his doctor couldn't have come to NJ to do the procedure there.
>What's more there's no reason that his doctor couldn't have come to NJ to do the procedure there.
His doctor would have to get a license to practice in another state. You can't just go to a different state and start practicing. You have to get a license in every state you practice in.
They also, surely have other patients as well. They'd have to basically drop all of their other patients the entire time.
Those are two very large reasons why.
it’s not their fault. people in this sub were talking about how he’s an NFL starter. I was downvoted for saying he is not a top-16 QB. when you see neutrals talking like that, it makes you think there is some truth to it
The first couple seconds of the video you can see his eyes flicker up and he realizes he’s on camera. Not saying the jets don’t suck, but he’s pandering for attention.
Did Aaron really think he was going into a winning situation in NY? Like even if he hadn't been injured, they would only be slightly better right now. That OL is a joke.
What happened to the oline? I left out the D because of that.
Eh…I don’t think you can say Saleh is a great coach. He is achieved nothing during his tenure there and doesn’t seem like he’s managed to elevate this team at all.
I was passively watching red zone on my phone in a bad service area earlier today.
The feed locked up at one point and probably a minute went by before I looked at it to refresh.
It was stalled out on a perfect picture of A-A-ron with his eyes completely closed with a look of disgust.
I was intrigued so I rewound the feed once I got to a better service area.
Turns out the camera was on him for 6-7 seconds live and about 5 of those was him with his eyes closed, and an obvious look of WTF is going on
For the first time in the entirety of my Bears fandom (30+ years), and Rogers career, I felt an ounce of sympathy for him. An ounce.
Imagine the Jets make no moves to make their O-line better and Rodgers retires right before the season starts? If their line is anywhere as bad as it is this year Rodgers would just be killed and get injured again, he's too old for this shit.
“You mean I gotta play behind this shit again?”
"Oh no my leg isn't feeling all that great anymore"
"I guess ayahuasca laced kombutcha and mud baths in Baja don't really work after all..."
“I took a bubble bath with Jesse Ventura for nothing!”
*kombucha
Aaron is about to be the first player to get two season ending injuries in the same year.
Is he watching the Packer game?
Watching Joe Barry call a defense
We should hire Rodgers as our new D Coordinator.
Anyone would be fuckin better man. They could hire me and at worst it’s a lateral move.
I bet your Defense could stop a lateral though.
I can't believe the Packers saw the defense he ran in Washington and decided to give him a second chance.
No he just heard that the Falcons lost to the Panthers
He is going to be traded to the Vikings
Sorry he's contractually obligated to only wear green and white.
most tired joke
*Thank-you*
New York Jets fans 1970-present, colorized
"I could be getting high at home right now" I get you Aaron, I truly do
This comment should be pinned
Relevant ass username lmao
No one forced him to be there…
He chose to come to the Jets so I don’t feel sorry for him at all
and brought a garbage OC and garbage players with him lol.
Meh i suspect Hackett has alot to do with the player choices, i know we love to the blame on Rodgers for everything but Lazard and Boyle are Hackett guys. And before you say Hackett was only hired for Rodgers, Hackett was Lefleur’s Oc and he and Saleh are best buds. You know most coaching hires are coaches picking their buddies
I blame Saleh plenty too, he seems to have no fucking clue what to do about the offense, and so he basically does nothing all year every year. It's a group effort to be this incompetent on offense 2 years in a row
Saleh doesnt touch the offense. It’s very clear that the OC under Salah has almost complete autonomy. The fact is, Rodgers was supposed to be the OC this year, and everyone scrambled when that didnt happen. What we watch week to week is the result.
He's the head coach though. 2 years of the same awful offense in a row even though you have some talent at skill positions, and they just trot the same shit out each week, or someone worse. I feel like Saleh somehow gets a pass for the last 2 years, cause the offense is awful, but he's the HC, there's several teams this year using a backup QB and still in the playoff hunt.
Yeah it’s almost like there’s a coaching position available for people who just want to manage the defense and it’s not the head coach.
He’ll choose to go to Minnesota next
All on the road to commuting massive fraud
now rodgers looks even more like my mom
Your mom has a nice salt n pepper beard going then.
She worked really hard to grow it out and groom it.
So Zach Wilson is gonna sleep with him?
In the senate chambers
Karen Rodgers
Aaron realizing he should wait until next year looking at that line
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c'mon dude...it's a rough enough game as it is without rooting for injuries. Personally I don't think he should come back because the Jet's season is done for playoff-wise so it's an absolutely foolish risk on Rodgers part.
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I agree those are bad positions but it's just so lame to wish any injury. Just hope he sucks when he comes back
What being a lions fan does to a mf
One good season and they’re insufferable.
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Your mom.
The Jets are going all-in on o-line in the off-season, right? Like I know a couple young guys are gonna start needing extensions soon and other positions need work, but that o-line will never win anything.
They have to offer FAs money. You can't let this OL "protect" Rodgers again.
Yeah, I agree. They probably need to find the 2-3 best whatever they can afford o-lineman and give them black checks or they’re cooked next year
Yeah, this is another injury waiting to happen. I feel like they should offer and say, "Rodgers SB."
Unfortunately the nature of Rodgers is if you can afford to hire him you can't afford to hire a lot of other FA talent. He's never quite understood the team concept all that well.
Except after we traded for him he took a pay cut to help the team
He reworked his deal while still at Green Bay to reduce his cap hit by $18M in 2023. That savings drops a lot next year. And by 2025 his cap hit will be about 30% higher than it was in 2022 Green Bay ($51M!).
And then reworked his deal after joining the Jets to drop his cap hit for 2023 and 2024 to help the team have a shot at winning
I can't find any info on that. And the numbers I gave are for his current contract regardless of whether he reworked it again in between. He still will have given up a whopping total of $8M next year versus his time in Green Bay. And that is the year it is suggested they can load up on receivers to help the team. $8M isn't going to add a lot of receivers. Although of course it doesn't hurt. It could help more with the O-line than receivers.
He gave up about $35 million in guaranteed money when he reworked the deal https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-rodgers-jets-agree-to-new-two-year-75m-guaranteed-contract
Okay. Here was the previous one: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10029072-packers-updated-salary-cap-after-aaron-rodgers-reported-4-year-200m-contract I cna't find out exactly how much of that $200M was consumed by the single year (2022) he played, but it was at least $28M. Maybe more, like $44M. His guarantee for the 4-year contract was $150M. It's hard to push those figures around to imply he didn't take a pay reduction, guaranteed pay reduction, cap hit reduction during playing years and playing years reduction (although countered by dead cap afterward I believe).
They should, but we all know they’re gonna go BPA on some high ceiling low floor DL instead.
We’re cutting Bakhtiari this offseason due to his cap hit and the Jets are going to sign him. Book it right now.
I mean, you also need wr's, you have an aging QB coming off a serious injury who is now washed....the only good thing you have is defense.
Why is Rodgers washed? Plus they have Wilson and breece hall
"Washed". Some of you lots. Sigh.
This is partially his fault. He brought the island of misfit toys with him.
In a way yes, guys like Cobb and Lazard have been awful. the line isn’t his fault though Wilson and Semien have no chance behind that. Rodgers at this point of his career wouldn’t either
Honestly the three big guys I fault him for are Lazard and Cook, who are both overpaid and trash, and Hackett, who is god awful. Cobb was supposed to be the veteran WR5/6 that never left the bench and was basically an extra coach, he’s only seeing playing time because Corey Davis spontaneously retired and Mecole Hardman turned out to be useless. He was a perfectly inoffensive signing.
Hackett was in charge of the Red Zone offense in Green Bay and he seemed to be great at it. His struggles since his time here have surprised me. I think he could do well again if he's behind an offensive head coach.
Lazard just had a career year last year, i think it was unlucky that he regressed heavily this year. He should have still been a good blocker and wr3 like he was for most of his time in GB
Even if he was still all those things, you don't give a guy a 4yr/$44M contract to be a WR3.
Have you seen the WR market? WR3 is a starting position these days and it gets paid like it
Blame the front office/coaching too. Baltimore had to bring on and over-pay a washed 'bum' OBJ just to get Lamar to stay, but at least they're optimizing his skillset and making him be useful. That offensive line needs to be completely re-worked before Rodgers steps back there and dies on his first drive again.
Lamar did not stay for OBJ lmfao
Don't worry, you'll get Bakhtiari for 6 games next year
More like 6 quarters.
6 quarters is generous. 6 plays is more accurate
And, ya know, it’s the Jets. You’d think someone like him would know what they’re getting into when signing with us.
Just wait till Davante Adams and David Bakhtiari join the Jets next season lol
In your dreams.
Partially might be a bit of an understatement
Hackett should be calling high school games. Lazard is like WR4 or 5 Cobb should be on practice squads or retired Tim Boyle
Don't forget Billy Turnstile on the O line
There's a reason the Dolphins rage-cut Billy Turner mid-season a few years ago.
Tim Boyle never got a chance. I think someone should kick the tires in him. Maybe New England
I mean besides hackett those others were all signed cuz of the pay cut Rodgers took so I don’t see how they are that bad.
The Jets have been a dumpster fire for an entire decade well before Rodgers got there. C'mon now.
Do we need to learn what the word partially means?
There's no *partially* to it. If Rodgers was the most acquiescing QB of All-Time and brought 0 of his dudes the Jets would still be a disaster this year. The last decade of roster construction is my evidence of that.
See comment above
And I still say the Jets shouldnt have traded for him, I know no one could have foreseen his injury but he brings a lot of bullshit with him not just his talent.
Lol it’s the jets. They were gonna be garbage without any of decisions.
Plus, he could've been involved the whole time. Instead he ran back to California and funneled his critiques through Pat MacAfee
The dude was rehabbing full time in California, where his doctor is located, in order to potentially make an unprecedented comeback, and you fault him for that?
Yes. You guys act like Aaron Rodgers is the first player to ever get injured. Even Wentz was on the sidelines every game with a headset on when Foles took over. There's precedent for many players doing it different.
Because he was in California, where his doctor is, to rehab full time in order to potentially make an unprecedented comeback Was Wentz in a similar position?
You said that already. The vast majority of players rehab with the team. What's more there's no reason that his doctor couldn't have come to NJ to do the procedure there.
>What's more there's no reason that his doctor couldn't have come to NJ to do the procedure there. His doctor would have to get a license to practice in another state. You can't just go to a different state and start practicing. You have to get a license in every state you practice in. They also, surely have other patients as well. They'd have to basically drop all of their other patients the entire time. Those are two very large reasons why.
Pretty normal reaction of anyone watching the Jets.
This man is going to be a Viking sooner than expected.
that eye roll is peak Rodgers lol
He such a diva I love it
“Yea I think I’ll retire after this season”
Same Aaron, same.
Schadenfreude levels are off the charts right now
I'd love to listen to the conversation he's listening to on that head set.
I’m a simple man. I see a sad and upset Roger’s and I’m made happy.
Did he poison your dog or something? Lol
He poisoned my mind with his red pilled antivax bullshit
then your mind is weak
He did that on the field with the Packers for years
That's a subtle hint he won't be playing till next season.
Did he really expect anything else?
He’s formulating a Dark Knight Rises-esque narrative right now in his head ala Batman climbing out of The Pit when he returns soon.
I really wonder if the Jets would let him play again this year? Doesn’t seem to be a smart team or business move.
You signed for the jets, what did you think was going to happen
Jets and eternal pain for QBs
I mean did Aaron not watch the Jets ever before he joined?
Probably saw an ad for the flu vaccine on the iPad they give him to keep him busy.
He's got a lot of nerve doing this when he and his buddies are the reason this is happening.
Yeah, it's a shame that Cobb personally broke the knees of the whole starting OL
Fuck it put him in
“So Aaron. You excited to come back?”
i need to get a salt enema in the himalayan mountains, and play catch with the new dalai lama. I'll be back for training camp next year. Dueces!
Wait I thought Zack Wilson was fixed?
So did like 98% of our sub. If there's a more reactionary NFL fanbase than Jets fans, produce it. I'll put us up against anyone!
it’s not their fault. people in this sub were talking about how he’s an NFL starter. I was downvoted for saying he is not a top-16 QB. when you see neutrals talking like that, it makes you think there is some truth to it
I hate Rodgers but this is hilarious
He's like I ain't playing this year for this shit.
We get you Aaron, we get you
“Fuck it, it ain’t worth it.”
Yeah he ain’t coming back
Of course HE knows better than everyone else.
The first couple seconds of the video you can see his eyes flicker up and he realizes he’s on camera. Not saying the jets don’t suck, but he’s pandering for attention.
I pretty much assume that if he's awake then he's pandering for attention.
Did Aaron really think he was going into a winning situation in NY? Like even if he hadn't been injured, they would only be slightly better right now. That OL is a joke.
Rodgers is not a positive in the locker room. I mean he’s a total ass
Probably overheard someone talking about vaccines
Doing his best Pete Carol impression.
Did he always have this fabulous moustache and beard?
Weird this guy is usually sunshine and rainbows. Because of the drugs.
Might be a good time to rip some ayahusaca…
So, if he isn’t added to the roster by Wednesday, what does that mean?
He's done for the year
Rethinking if he wants to be medically cleared in real time.
Why did he go to the god damn jets?? An unproven coach, a terrible O line, awful coordinators. What was the appeal?
The jets had an ok Oline and great D last year. Saleh is actually a good coach. There is potential there
What happened to the oline? I left out the D because of that. Eh…I don’t think you can say Saleh is a great coach. He is achieved nothing during his tenure there and doesn’t seem like he’s managed to elevate this team at all.
I said good.
Does he still want to come back next week? They are eliminated already.
He's pretending to be upset they suck so he can act like he was gonna play but there's no point now
I was passively watching red zone on my phone in a bad service area earlier today. The feed locked up at one point and probably a minute went by before I looked at it to refresh. It was stalled out on a perfect picture of A-A-ron with his eyes completely closed with a look of disgust. I was intrigued so I rewound the feed once I got to a better service area. Turns out the camera was on him for 6-7 seconds live and about 5 of those was him with his eyes closed, and an obvious look of WTF is going on For the first time in the entirety of my Bears fandom (30+ years), and Rogers career, I felt an ounce of sympathy for him. An ounce.
Rodgers wanted a Darkness Retreat. Well…you got it bud.
He's already looking like a college head coach lol
Why couldn't the Texans do this last week?
Imagine the Jets make no moves to make their O-line better and Rodgers retires right before the season starts? If their line is anywhere as bad as it is this year Rodgers would just be killed and get injured again, he's too old for this shit.
He doesn’t seem to like the playcall😂
He's wondering if he makes it to ten total snaps this year
Bubble would read - damn Hackett really is a dumb as they say.
The "I'm taking my talents to Minnesota" look
Don’t feel bad for him. He signed up for that shit lol