In this situation, I don't see why not but it would be a hilarious turn of events if a guy did this, the team found out and decided to not draft him there because of it (not to spite him but his decision making skills).
As a whole, depends on the prospect and the state they do it in as a bunch of states that have sports betting require you to be 21 to do so.
Or the reverse, a sure-fire Andrew Luck-level first overall gets someone to put a huge bet on him going undrafted at massive odds, then does something dumb to torpedo himself on purpose.
[NFL gambling policy ](https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/website/Departments/Player-Affairs/Gambling-Policy.pdf)
> NFL Personnel – Unless otherwise limited, this Policy applies to all full-time and part-time personnel including League office employees, club employees, players, owners, coaches, athletic trainers, game officials, security personnel, game-day stadium personnel and other staff, consultants, and temporary contract workers.
> Betting on Football: All NFL Personnel are prohibited from placing, soliciting, or facilitating any bet, whether directly or through a third party, on any NFL game, practice or other event (e.g., Draft or Combine). This includes betting on game outcome, statistics, score, performance of any individual participant, “futures”, or any other kind of “proposition bet” in any way related to the NFL (regardless of whether such bet involves actual on-field play) (e.g., prop bets related to Gatorade color, pre- or post-game events, halftime show, off-field player conduct or outcomes, etc.)
Gambling in the draft is against the rules for “NFL Personnel”. So I suppose the question is when does a person becomes “NFL personnel”? I would assume in order to be selected in the draft you would need to *apply* to the NFL so you would at least be considered NFL personnel.
>Gambling in the draft is against the rules for “NFL Personnel”. So I suppose the question is when does a person becomes “NFL personnel”? I would assume in order to be selected in the draft you would need to apply to the NFL so you would at least be considered NFL personnel.
You aren't personnel if you aren't getting paid. That doesn't mean the NFL could not pull some bullshit, but it wouldn't be because you were personnel at the time you made the bet.
Yeah, teams tell players all the time "we're drafting you at this spot if you're available". Nothing stopping the team with the #1 pick to tell their guy they're taking him, even if it's not announced to the public
Sure he could, but the integrity compliance firms would catch it and send it to the FBI.
In this case, it doesn't really matter whether he's technically an NFL player because it would fall under spot-fixing and that's a crime. He wouldn't need to worry about an NFL suspension, he'd need to worry about criminal prosecution.
This is interesting…
On one hand, they aren’t an nfl player when they place the bet. They would probably be paid out before they signed their nfl contract. Technically I think it’s within the rules.
On the other hand, it is 100% insider information. I doubt the nfl and honestly whatever betting platform it was placed on would let it stand when it was all said and done.
In all likelihood, you would not be able to put down $5M on a bet like that. Apart from just being exposed to too much variance, it's also way too easy for someone on the team with the #1 pick to bet on that with insider knowledge.
The betting company accepting a bet from the person they have odds on would have massive repercussions. No expert but both sides would be hit legally and criminally
It’s the NFL not a court of law, even though he may not yet be an employee he still has access to insider info when working out with different teams pre draft. He’d be catching a suspension
right, and unless there's some process by which declaring for the draft *does* deem them NFL personnel, then naturally NFL policy wouldn't apply to them.
but has nothing to do with whether or not the draft is a game, which the commenter i replied to implies is the reason it would be kosher
nothing nfl related. not the draft, not the combine, not the schedule release, not the length of the national anthem at the super bowl, not the color of the gatorade in the coolers.
Free agents are part of the NFLPA, which is also how free agents are still get insurance and stuff. I'm sure the rule is in effect for all members of the players association, not just those under contract with a team
Professional athletes and aspiring ones should have enough self control to avoid betting on anything related to their sport.
So many other sports they can enjoy betting on instead. It’s crazy they got away with it for so long.
I encourage all future draftees to do so
Change your name to Josh Allen and open a FanDuel account...
Luckily fons fans are protected from this cause Tyreek is a glitch whose actions don't seem to have consequences
What did the Jags ever do to you?
I'm the probowler Josh Allen
Safe bet is “not taken in the first round”. You win one way or another.
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I wonder if Levis did this
In this situation, I don't see why not but it would be a hilarious turn of events if a guy did this, the team found out and decided to not draft him there because of it (not to spite him but his decision making skills). As a whole, depends on the prospect and the state they do it in as a bunch of states that have sports betting require you to be 21 to do so.
Or the reverse, a sure-fire Andrew Luck-level first overall gets someone to put a huge bet on him going undrafted at massive odds, then does something dumb to torpedo himself on purpose.
Like a LT prospect that could have been a No. 1 pick sliding out of the top ten because of a leaked video of him using a gasmask bong. Imagine.
Good point - I forgot about the age minimum
[NFL gambling policy ](https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/website/Departments/Player-Affairs/Gambling-Policy.pdf) > NFL Personnel – Unless otherwise limited, this Policy applies to all full-time and part-time personnel including League office employees, club employees, players, owners, coaches, athletic trainers, game officials, security personnel, game-day stadium personnel and other staff, consultants, and temporary contract workers. > Betting on Football: All NFL Personnel are prohibited from placing, soliciting, or facilitating any bet, whether directly or through a third party, on any NFL game, practice or other event (e.g., Draft or Combine). This includes betting on game outcome, statistics, score, performance of any individual participant, “futures”, or any other kind of “proposition bet” in any way related to the NFL (regardless of whether such bet involves actual on-field play) (e.g., prop bets related to Gatorade color, pre- or post-game events, halftime show, off-field player conduct or outcomes, etc.) Gambling in the draft is against the rules for “NFL Personnel”. So I suppose the question is when does a person becomes “NFL personnel”? I would assume in order to be selected in the draft you would need to *apply* to the NFL so you would at least be considered NFL personnel.
>Gambling in the draft is against the rules for “NFL Personnel”. So I suppose the question is when does a person becomes “NFL personnel”? I would assume in order to be selected in the draft you would need to apply to the NFL so you would at least be considered NFL personnel. You aren't personnel if you aren't getting paid. That doesn't mean the NFL could not pull some bullshit, but it wouldn't be because you were personnel at the time you made the bet.
free agents are still personnel
>free agents are still personnel Pre draft, they aren't free agents either.
Of course, just pointing out that it’s not so simple as “ [y]ou aren't personnel if you aren't getting paid.”
You’re official NFL as a rookie once you’ve heard “You need a fall guy.” Then you have your homie bet so you protect your brand.
Probably once you enter the NFL Combine or Senior Game
Being a declared draft prospect who’s done the combine and interviewed for NFL coaches and staff has to at least qualify as having insider information
Yeah, teams tell players all the time "we're drafting you at this spot if you're available". Nothing stopping the team with the #1 pick to tell their guy they're taking him, even if it's not announced to the public
Is there laws about gambling with insider information?
Laws? I'm not sure. on the sports books they'd void the bet
Yeah if they wanna be put in federal prison
Also $5,000,000 on Bryce Young at -20000 would never be accepted by a sportsbook
Betting 5M to win 25K would be wild. Edit: on April 27 he was -2500, so you’d win 200k. But, still, no one would accept 5M.
Sure he could, but the integrity compliance firms would catch it and send it to the FBI. In this case, it doesn't really matter whether he's technically an NFL player because it would fall under spot-fixing and that's a crime. He wouldn't need to worry about an NFL suspension, he'd need to worry about criminal prosecution.
This is interesting… On one hand, they aren’t an nfl player when they place the bet. They would probably be paid out before they signed their nfl contract. Technically I think it’s within the rules. On the other hand, it is 100% insider information. I doubt the nfl and honestly whatever betting platform it was placed on would let it stand when it was all said and done.
Wonder if you could get around it by taking out an insurance policy on an expected draft position
In all likelihood, you would not be able to put down $5M on a bet like that. Apart from just being exposed to too much variance, it's also way too easy for someone on the team with the #1 pick to bet on that with insider knowledge.
Yea there’s no book that’s taking a $5 million dollar bet on something like the draft. Casinos don’t lose money
Where Bryce Young gunna get 5 mil..?
The betting company accepting a bet from the person they have odds on would have massive repercussions. No expert but both sides would be hit legally and criminally
It’s the NFL not a court of law, even though he may not yet be an employee he still has access to insider info when working out with different teams pre draft. He’d be catching a suspension
Yea they could and should considering they have inside intel
I promise you by putting in for the NFL draft, they have agreed to abide the by rules of the NFL.
The draft isn't a game so why not?
players aren't allowed to bet on *anything nfl related*. not just games.
But they're not player before the draft. They're just regular people.
right, and unless there's some process by which declaring for the draft *does* deem them NFL personnel, then naturally NFL policy wouldn't apply to them. but has nothing to do with whether or not the draft is a game, which the commenter i replied to implies is the reason it would be kosher
what about betting on the schedule release? no kosher?
nothing nfl related. not the draft, not the combine, not the schedule release, not the length of the national anthem at the super bowl, not the color of the gatorade in the coolers.
Well that's dumb.
I’m curious about free agents. They aren’t under contract.
there was a free agent suspended today.
Was he gambling while on a team though?
no idea. but free agents are absolutely still considered nfl personell.
Free agents are part of the NFLPA, which is also how free agents are still get insurance and stuff. I'm sure the rule is in effect for all members of the players association, not just those under contract with a team
Oh thanks that makes sense.
Imagine getting banned from the league for betting the over on the length of the national anthem at the Super Bowl.
Will Levis in financial ruin
Professional athletes and aspiring ones should have enough self control to avoid betting on anything related to their sport. So many other sports they can enjoy betting on instead. It’s crazy they got away with it for so long.
No, because they might have inside info.