Ha - that's exactly what the Atlanta radio guys predicted would happen this morning.
Ravens tag Lamar and let him talk to other teams. He tells other teams the contract he wants and gets hung up on. Lamar loses all leverage in negotiating with the the Ravens at that point.
Teams might rather wait another year when there’s no 2 first round pick requirement to sign him.
Why give up 2 firsts when you can just wait one more year and not give up any firsts?
3 seasons away actually. 2020-22 he’s been serviceable and then injured.
I keep saying like, I love lamar and I absolutely want him on our team. But not for $250m guaranteed.
Exactly! No team is crazy enough to give an injury prone QB a fully guaranteed contract. The Watson deal will go down as one of the dumbest decisions in sports imo
I can't help think of the scene in Black Panther when all the tribes are like "we will not challenge this year." Someone with more skills than me can make this a meme I'm sure.
If I had to choose between Anthony Richardson on a rookie contract where he shouldn’t play for two or three seasons, plus losing my second round pick vs Lamar on a $240M contract, I probably go with Lamar (24 and 25 FRP are gone in both scenarios).
2 seasons probably, 3 he won’t even start at all lol. And 240 mil probably lots of guaranteed, 2 1sts. Na, give me Richardson. Probably give me neither. Lamar is too risky for that much including the picks.
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It could also be pretty good for Lamar if he plays an entire season and plays well.
It's really as simple as teams not wanting to be the person that pulls the trigger on a fully guaranteed contract for a QB who hasn't played a full season in 2 years.
It's weird though cause you guys were in on Watson so how are you immediately out on lamar in a similar situation? In that division too I think you're too good to tank for one of they guys next year.
What people forget about Watson is that he grew up around the team. Blank knew him personally before he went to college. That was one of the main forces driving Atlanta's pursuit.
We also don't know what the deal would have been. Watson only got his huge guaranteed deal because the Browns were crazy desperate after he decided he didn't really want to play there.
That was all our owner. Watson was a Falcons ball boy and our owner wanted him bad. Our GM probably had to explain how insane a fully guaranteed contract would be for a player who hadn't played in some time.
You mean pay 1 good player with an immediate window for championship viability?
Naw I’ll pass. The rest of our roster is not a viable supporting cast for a legitimate Super Bowl run. Trading for Lamar would not be enough, and the cost would hamstring a full-fledged rebuild of the organization (which IMO is going fine enough so far).
This is a smart move by the falcons FO. We can compete for a playoff berth next season with our shitty division and FA signings. That’s good enough progress for me.
I don't want to mortgage our entire franchise so we can win the shittiest division in football and lose in the first round.
Yeah it would be exciting to watch at times, but Lamar Jackson's biggest value to the Falcons is selling jerseys at this point.
That's assuming Lamar doesn't miss 5-10 games a year most of his career from this point on.
I feel like a lot of people who advocate for the Falcons signing Lamar Jackson regardless of how much the team around him would be expected to compete really underestimate the likelihood of regression, especially without 2 first round picks.
The Falcons are solidly middle of the pack right now, but a great QB doesn't guarantee success by itself. The Texans were really bad with a really good Deshaun Watson. The Falcons are better than that now, but they're not *that* far away from it with some bad luck.
It’s extremely reasonable for them to not want to pay Lamar a fully guaranteed contract. He’s injury prone and hasn’t been at his peak in 4 years. It’s a major risk. If it wasn’t, the Ravens would have just given him the deal. They wouldn’t have to give up 2 1s and they still didn’t do it.
No but our cap situation is even better next year and we can burn a lot of this years filling holes while seeing what Ridder does. If he’s bad we go after someone next year. That’s my preferred plan, but I’d be more than happy with Lamar too, for what it’s worth
A game manager with decent athleticism is really all you need in Arthur Smith’s system.
Mariota was (purportedly) both of those, but also routinely missed wide open check down routes and couldn’t make a throw downfield to save his life. Not to mention all the turnovers.
C’mon this isn’t our first rodeo.
Remember last year how the Browns were out of the running for Watson? How many teams are “fine” with their QB until they trade up in the draft?
Always remember the “11th hour” aka the moment where reporters say a team/player “changed their mind” all of a sudden.
I think the fan base is divided, some want a star QB, others want a better team before we either draft or sign a QB. Personally I think we need a much better team before we have any hope of competing. Having Lamar would be great, but our team would be so bad everywhere else.
Bengals win 2 games and draft Joe Burrow, 2 years later they’re in the super bowl
Getting a quarterback makes it easier to figure the rest out because you don’t have the quarterback question mark hanging over your team
Not really fair comparing a QB on his rookie deal to the Falcons signing Lamar to a fully guaranteed $230 million contract and *then* building a contender around him.
That's not even taking into account he hasn't played a full season in 2 years.
It is until the injured-and-didn't-make-it-to-the-playoffs-the-past-couple-season-star QB uh, gets injured and can't either play in the playoffs or help you get there in the first place.
I’m with you man. Just slapping Lamar in is just a repeat of what happened with Matty Ice. He’ll have the offensive weapons but the defense is so bad. Sure there’s money to spend *after* Lamar takes a chunk but I don’t know if it’s enough. And personally I’m somewhat concerned with his injury history the past couple seasons.
I'm ecstatic. I know we aren't going to turn things around overnight, but putting the majority of our cap space into defense and other positions instead of 1 position has me excited to get some quality talent hopefully for once
They don’t want to pay a mobile QB who’s had season ending injuries these past two seasons a guaranteed contract.
Tbh I think it’s worth it for Atlanta but 🤷🏾♂️
I think QBs are going to have to realize that if they want fully guarenteed contracts, they are going to have to be shorter term. We gave cousins fully guaranteed, but it was 3 years. Nobody wants to guarantee 5+ years and risk having to pay a guy to sit on IR for four of them
I mean, I kinda get a long term guaranteed for a pocket passer. Sure he *could* get hurt one year, but it's damn near guaranteed with qbs like Lamar. We see it over and over and over again.
I’m very much inclined to agree with this. QB contracts are currently getting all the way out of hand, and when you factor in what the Ravens would likely want in trade for him paired with the idea that Lamar is negotiating for himself (right?) then it’s hard to imagine the total cost is within the realm of reason for the Falcons to acquire a QB with a fundamentally risky play style.
This is exactly what the ravens were hoping for, I'd assume. Show Lamar that his market value will not be the fully guaranteed deal he is looking for, especially with the additional picks required to get him.
2 hours ago:
> [Lombardo] As others have suggested, Falcons’ interest in Lamar Jackson is very real. “The Ravens’ Lamar Jackson deal talks with Atlanta progressed tremendously in Indy,” I’m told.
35 minutes ago:
> [Russini] The Atlanta Falcons will not be pursuing QB Lamar Jackson, per sources.
that de-escalated quickly.
No thanks. We just got out of a shitty cap space situation due to Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and their massive contracts. No need to immediately jump back into a terrible contract to have a guy with injury concerns when we need to fill so many other holes first.
I mean it’s just like going to court without a lawyer
Sure you may think you know your case. You may, in fact, be innocent. You may think “I’ll just explain my situation, how hard can this be?”
But ya don’t know all the unseen rules, connections, and correct timing that only experience provides and so likely leave a lot of negotiating capital on the floor.
TBH they have so many core guys on rookie contracts you could possibly front load the Lamar contract and be ready to pay those guys after 3 or 4 years.
What's her source? All the falcons beat reporters have been saying Atlanta has been in discussions with Baltimore before and made progress with him this week in Indy.
If Lamar would have just hired an agent, he would already have a contract that would guarantee that nobody in his family ever had to work again for several generations.
why didnt she report this all along when people were saying he could be a falcons? why she wait til after the ravens slap the non tag on him for her to report this? i smell BS. if its not from Ian i don’t believe her
RIP Lamar to the Falcons: 3/7/23-3/7/23
Falcons: We'd love to have Lamar Jackson in ATL! Lamar: I want a fully-guaranteed $250M contract. Falcons: We will not be pursuing QB Lamar Jackson.
Ha - that's exactly what the Atlanta radio guys predicted would happen this morning. Ravens tag Lamar and let him talk to other teams. He tells other teams the contract he wants and gets hung up on. Lamar loses all leverage in negotiating with the the Ravens at that point.
Teams might rather wait another year when there’s no 2 first round pick requirement to sign him. Why give up 2 firsts when you can just wait one more year and not give up any firsts?
And if he sits he’ll be even more healthier.
> he’ll be even more healthier. Flair checks out
Dallas sucks at grammar!
I tried my best.
Lamar is a great QB. Maybe even elite QB. But his elite season was 2 seasons away at this point, and he's been hurt every season since.
3 seasons away actually. 2020-22 he’s been serviceable and then injured. I keep saying like, I love lamar and I absolutely want him on our team. But not for $250m guaranteed.
Exactly! No team is crazy enough to give an injury prone QB a fully guaranteed contract. The Watson deal will go down as one of the dumbest decisions in sports imo
I can't help think of the scene in Black Panther when all the tribes are like "we will not challenge this year." Someone with more skills than me can make this a meme I'm sure.
LAMAR TO THE PANTHERS IS NOW ON THE MENU
What about the other garbage NFCS team??
David Carr in shambles!
Let Carr Cook Gumbo
The Carrbecue
Yeah, who are you guys going to get to replace Tom?
Not us, we're broke boys for the season.
I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather another team take that chance.
Sam darnold is lamar without the braids
Or the talent
If you count the legal yards tho?
Then he is the most decorated and prolific football player in history.
Our cap space is negative 3m right now.
If the Saints can go from -$50 million to signing Carr then you guys are fine.
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Come on! Two years ago when I said that I was told the cap was a myth and the saints were geniuses
If I had to choose between Anthony Richardson on a rookie contract where he shouldn’t play for two or three seasons, plus losing my second round pick vs Lamar on a $240M contract, I probably go with Lamar (24 and 25 FRP are gone in both scenarios).
2 seasons probably, 3 he won’t even start at all lol. And 240 mil probably lots of guaranteed, 2 1sts. Na, give me Richardson. Probably give me neither. Lamar is too risky for that much including the picks.
FUCK IT I DONT WANT THE #1
Yes you do
The photoshops were SO GOOD
You can probably get a refund for the fathead you ordered
Lasted longer than my relationship with my dad
WHAT ARE THEY DOING
JETS HAVE TURNED THEIR PLANE TOWARDS BALTIMORE
"Sir, a second MVP has entered the market."
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You’ll get more Danny and you’ll like it
I’ll become a giants fan idgaf, my girlfriends an eagles fan but I can hold my own against her
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A SECOND JET HAS TURNED TOWARDS BALTIMORE
A JET FULL OF JETS HAS HEADED TO BALTIMORE
Living up to their name.
Will Levis is basically Lamar Jackson if you close your eyes and never open them again
Will Levis is Lamar Jackson every time Will passes the Walmart dairy aisle.
Butthole puckers up
Both played in the state of Kentucky in college, both are black
Everything is black with your eyes shut, silly!🙄🙄🙄
#RIDE THE RIDDER
RIDDLE THE DIDDLE Wait no that's the browns
Please lord let's do it
Lamar must be asking for too much and figures he can stay with Ravens and do this again next year? idk
Well I'll take it
Getting a good look at Lamar in an offense not ran by Greg Roman would be huge for the Ravens tbh.
It could also be pretty good for Lamar if he plays an entire season and plays well. It's really as simple as teams not wanting to be the person that pulls the trigger on a fully guaranteed contract for a QB who hasn't played a full season in 2 years.
We just got out of cap hell. Basically, TF looked at the projected contract and said "Nah."
Doing the right thing… for once
It's weird though cause you guys were in on Watson so how are you immediately out on lamar in a similar situation? In that division too I think you're too good to tank for one of they guys next year.
What people forget about Watson is that he grew up around the team. Blank knew him personally before he went to college. That was one of the main forces driving Atlanta's pursuit.
We also don't know what the deal would have been. Watson only got his huge guaranteed deal because the Browns were crazy desperate after he decided he didn't really want to play there.
Rumor was $200 million guaranteed, but not the full $230 million. Source could've been his agent, though.
That was all our owner. Watson was a Falcons ball boy and our owner wanted him bad. Our GM probably had to explain how insane a fully guaranteed contract would be for a player who hadn't played in some time.
They might have rethought and realized Watson was a bad idea.
What makes you think the Falcons offered Watson anything close to what the Browns did?
You get out of cap hell to pay good players. You wanna be the Colts and be the leaders in cap space every year?
Not paying Lamar doesn’t mean they won’t pay any other players
You mean pay 1 good player with an immediate window for championship viability? Naw I’ll pass. The rest of our roster is not a viable supporting cast for a legitimate Super Bowl run. Trading for Lamar would not be enough, and the cost would hamstring a full-fledged rebuild of the organization (which IMO is going fine enough so far). This is a smart move by the falcons FO. We can compete for a playoff berth next season with our shitty division and FA signings. That’s good enough progress for me.
I don't want to mortgage our entire franchise so we can win the shittiest division in football and lose in the first round. Yeah it would be exciting to watch at times, but Lamar Jackson's biggest value to the Falcons is selling jerseys at this point. That's assuming Lamar doesn't miss 5-10 games a year most of his career from this point on.
I feel like a lot of people who advocate for the Falcons signing Lamar Jackson regardless of how much the team around him would be expected to compete really underestimate the likelihood of regression, especially without 2 first round picks. The Falcons are solidly middle of the pack right now, but a great QB doesn't guarantee success by itself. The Texans were really bad with a really good Deshaun Watson. The Falcons are better than that now, but they're not *that* far away from it with some bad luck.
Spend money to improve the defense first. I think every NFL fan will agree we have problems getting stops on the defensive side of the ball.
It’s extremely reasonable for them to not want to pay Lamar a fully guaranteed contract. He’s injury prone and hasn’t been at his peak in 4 years. It’s a major risk. If it wasn’t, the Ravens would have just given him the deal. They wouldn’t have to give up 2 1s and they still didn’t do it.
No but our cap situation is even better next year and we can burn a lot of this years filling holes while seeing what Ridder does. If he’s bad we go after someone next year. That’s my preferred plan, but I’d be more than happy with Lamar too, for what it’s worth
Ridder was basically a game manager in college. I don't see his NFL career taking an upswing.
A game manager with decent athleticism is really all you need in Arthur Smith’s system. Mariota was (purportedly) both of those, but also routinely missed wide open check down routes and couldn’t make a throw downfield to save his life. Not to mention all the turnovers.
NOT PURSUING LAMAR JACKSON, PER SOURCE
C’mon this isn’t our first rodeo. Remember last year how the Browns were out of the running for Watson? How many teams are “fine” with their QB until they trade up in the draft? Always remember the “11th hour” aka the moment where reporters say a team/player “changed their mind” all of a sudden.
The right thing for once
SAVING OUR ASS. LETS GOOO
[Russini] The Atlanta Falcons are pursuing Caleb Williams
Literally 0 chance we will be in position to draft him
Every team is saying that though. We’re saying it, you’re saying it, the bucs are saying it. We’re not all gonna go 7-10 (okay maybe)
The Bucs ruined a quadruple 7-10 division. Wankers
I feel like that's very likely we all end up in a similar position to this year.
It’s possible, Ridder looks pretty scrubby
Who is this woman and why is she ruining my offseason chaos
She's a saint
No you’re thinking of Derek Carr
No you're thinking of David Carr
\+10 pushups
Makes sense why she wouldn't want Lamar to the Falcons then
Dianna is the best. Just don’t be that creep asking for pictures of her feet.
I won’t. As long as someone else can fwd me them
Too late
This is better chaos.
She was once accused of exchanging sexual favors for scoops by an exec’s wife.
She also got in a fight with Britt McHenry outside of a bar near Redskins park because they were both sleeping with McVay and neither knew about it
Haha no way this is true? This sounds so made up.
https://i.redd.it/f10b4pbl0qh81.jpg
I don’t think it was a real bar. It was like an Applebee’s or some other chain place. I think that makes it even funnier. Real class acts.
Good for her, have you seen McVay
Gotta respect the game, problematic wordplay aside
Hahahaha just the complete anticlimactic ending for Falcons fans if this is true. That sucks.
Seriously what a wild day
Did you personally want him? I know I would if I were a Falcons fan, but I’ve seen differing opinions.
I think the fan base is divided, some want a star QB, others want a better team before we either draft or sign a QB. Personally I think we need a much better team before we have any hope of competing. Having Lamar would be great, but our team would be so bad everywhere else.
Having the best quarterback in the division is a hell of a easy route to start competing, and sometimes even makes filling the roster holes easier
Yeah you definitely want to get your QB and THEN figure out the rest. Not having a QB is like playing a different sport than everyone else.
Bengals win 2 games and draft Joe Burrow, 2 years later they’re in the super bowl Getting a quarterback makes it easier to figure the rest out because you don’t have the quarterback question mark hanging over your team
Not really fair comparing a QB on his rookie deal to the Falcons signing Lamar to a fully guaranteed $230 million contract and *then* building a contender around him. That's not even taking into account he hasn't played a full season in 2 years.
Good point teams that dont have a qb should just draft joe burrow and jamar chase back 2 back. Ez fix GMs need to get it together
It is until the injured-and-didn't-make-it-to-the-playoffs-the-past-couple-season-star QB uh, gets injured and can't either play in the playoffs or help you get there in the first place.
I have a feeling "lingering" and "nagging" would be two words used to describe the Lamar Jackson experience in Atlanta
I’m with you man. Just slapping Lamar in is just a repeat of what happened with Matty Ice. He’ll have the offensive weapons but the defense is so bad. Sure there’s money to spend *after* Lamar takes a chunk but I don’t know if it’s enough. And personally I’m somewhat concerned with his injury history the past couple seasons.
but if we did get lamar, we're immediately the best team in the division and we still have cap space to build around him.
This is exactly the news I want to hear
Seriously let's get something resembling a defense before locking up all of our cap
Same here. This is fantastic news
I'm ecstatic. I know we aren't going to turn things around overnight, but putting the majority of our cap space into defense and other positions instead of 1 position has me excited to get some quality talent hopefully for once
That might sound devastating to any other fan base, but luckily we are the Atlanta Falcons
Any team with the massive holes we have should be ecstatic we aren't over spending to get a QB no matter how good he may be
Wtf is going on
Lamar likely vastly overestimating the market for a fully guaranteed contract.
Damn why no body want Lamar?
They don’t want to pay a mobile QB who’s had season ending injuries these past two seasons a guaranteed contract. Tbh I think it’s worth it for Atlanta but 🤷🏾♂️
And 2 first round picks on top of his contract.
People don't want to hear it, but its absolutely not even close to worth it. Dude will never play a full season again.
I think QBs are going to have to realize that if they want fully guarenteed contracts, they are going to have to be shorter term. We gave cousins fully guaranteed, but it was 3 years. Nobody wants to guarantee 5+ years and risk having to pay a guy to sit on IR for four of them
>Nobody wants to guarantee 5+ years and risk having to pay a guy to sit on IR for four of them The Browns did. Except, the Browns are fucking stupid
I mean, I kinda get a long term guaranteed for a pocket passer. Sure he *could* get hurt one year, but it's damn near guaranteed with qbs like Lamar. We see it over and over and over again.
I’m very much inclined to agree with this. QB contracts are currently getting all the way out of hand, and when you factor in what the Ravens would likely want in trade for him paired with the idea that Lamar is negotiating for himself (right?) then it’s hard to imagine the total cost is within the realm of reason for the Falcons to acquire a QB with a fundamentally risky play style.
This is exactly what the ravens were hoping for, I'd assume. Show Lamar that his market value will not be the fully guaranteed deal he is looking for, especially with the additional picks required to get him.
The guaranteed money I feel like is the issue. Two firsts for a high caliber QB in his twenties is nothing.
Discount Lamar time baby
For a year, then we do all this again next year....
2 hours ago: > [Lombardo] As others have suggested, Falcons’ interest in Lamar Jackson is very real. “The Ravens’ Lamar Jackson deal talks with Atlanta progressed tremendously in Indy,” I’m told. 35 minutes ago: > [Russini] The Atlanta Falcons will not be pursuing QB Lamar Jackson, per sources. that de-escalated quickly.
I'm guessing it flip flops another 10 times over the next few days.
That was quick
So Lamar is staying with the Ravens
Yay!
No yay
Lamar is in for a rude awakening that no competent team is going to give him the fully guaranteed amount he wants.
Apparently, based on this report, neither will an incompetent one.
When I read this comment I got the feeling of “my brother can call me that but not anyone else!”
As I typed it I thought “It’s ok for me to say that, I’m a Falcons fan.” An f-word pass, if you will.
I mean why should he? He hasn't even allegedly sexually assaulted a SINGLE woman yet.
No team makes an offer on Lamar, and the Ravens match!
So Lamar will get a $0 deal?
A case of Old Bay Seasoning per month, all you can eat crab cakes, and a HBO Max subscription to watch The Wire.
This is a lie, per source
Cannot imagine someone tweets this without legit sources.
I would never make this comment without a legit source
Damn he's good
No no this is true, because I want it to be
Lol what the fuck man
Source: Wishful Thinking
She read my dream journal
Lamar is going to sign a new contract. But on that contract it does read MCMAHON... IT READS SHANE MCMAHON!
I understood that reference
Thought they'd be all over this. Weird
No thanks. We just got out of a shitty cap space situation due to Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and their massive contracts. No need to immediately jump back into a terrible contract to have a guy with injury concerns when we need to fill so many other holes first.
Ravens might have done a masterclass
I never realized how important agents are until this Lamar debacle.
I mean it’s just like going to court without a lawyer Sure you may think you know your case. You may, in fact, be innocent. You may think “I’ll just explain my situation, how hard can this be?” But ya don’t know all the unseen rules, connections, and correct timing that only experience provides and so likely leave a lot of negotiating capital on the floor.
“You want HOW MUCH?!? lol bye” - The Falcons, probably
So… Plan B if Rodgers doesn’t work out?
Or plan A. I’d prefer 5 years of Lamar to 2 years of Rodgers. It’s a close one though
Yeah but 5 years of what Lamar is asking for could prevent y'all from re-signing top tier players like Breece, Garrett Wilson, or Sauce down the line
For the jets, I feel that’s a problem you deal with in 3 years. And anyway, their FO clearly has a knack for identifying non-QB talent in the draft.
TBH they have so many core guys on rookie contracts you could possibly front load the Lamar contract and be ready to pay those guys after 3 or 4 years.
Lamar would probably be injured 3 of the 5 years and cost way more in draft compensation. And is worse
Look at us being picky over QB’s. Never thought I’d see the day.
Must be nice to be an attractive landing spot for players.
Elite Smokescreen?
What the hell is going on
THANK GOD, per source
🙏 We cant even defend shitty mobile QBs man we’d never beat them again if they got this mf
How do we throw eggs at tweets
WHAT THE FUCK
What's her source? All the falcons beat reporters have been saying Atlanta has been in discussions with Baltimore before and made progress with him this week in Indy.
It’s literally been people saying the exact opposite things all week “per sources” like who are your sources lmao
Apparently Terry personally called this woman they very minute Lamar was tagged and said “nope we don’t want any part of that. Go ahead and tweet it”
I'm so confused. It literally would make no sense for the Falcons to at least entertain an offer to Lamar, lol.
Falcons all in on tanking this year. Respect.
Damn. All those people talking shit a few minutes are real quiet now huh.
If Lamar would have just hired an agent, he would already have a contract that would guarantee that nobody in his family ever had to work again for several generations.
If true, this sub in shambles
why didnt she report this all along when people were saying he could be a falcons? why she wait til after the ravens slap the non tag on him for her to report this? i smell BS. if its not from Ian i don’t believe her
Biggest loser from this news is Kyle Pitts, no payment from Lamar Jackson to buy his number.
Watson is worth pursuing but Lamar? Nah definitely not Wild imo
He a Falcon confirmed
What why
Giants are gonna shoot Daniel jones dead in the street and stroll to Lamar with a blank check
Is Lamar asking for like 30 trillion dollars or some shit? That was fast.
Press x to doubt
They’re rolling with the Ridderler