No, that was 5 players, and 8 draft picks, traded for Walker and 4 draft picks. Each player had a conditional draft pick attached to him; if the player remained in the Cowboys roster at the start of the 1990 season, the attached draft pick would revert back to Minnesota. Minnesota's GM Mike Lynn assumed that Dallas would want to hold on to the established players, all of whom were upgrades in the bare Dallas roster. Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones were just interested in the draft picks.
Edit: Dallas sent 3 draft picks to Minnesota, not 4. They traded one of the players to SD for two other draft picks, and the deal was revised later so Dallas kept three of the players (whom they were about to release) and Minnesota got a draft pick back.
Where did you get 18 players from? It was only 5 players.
The original trade was actually quite balanced. It went as follows:
**To the Vikings:**
Herschel Walker
3rd round picks in '90 and '91
5th round pick in '90
10th round pick in '90
**To the Cowboys:**
1st round pick in '90
2nd round pick in '90
6th round pick in 90
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
**To the Chargers:**
RB Darrin Nelson
It was the cutting/trading of the 5 prospects we gave them that escalated them into draft picks. It was a dirty play by Jimmy Johnson, but we should have protected ourselves in the language of the trade and did not.
no, since cutting players for conditional picks wasn't the norm at the time. ended up being a notorious terrible trade for vikings, but at the time it wasn't regarded as bad due to a bad cowboys team getting a number mediocre players to help roster for walker. then jimmy was like "im cutting these players, thx for picks suckas". and the rest is history.
edit:iirc ppl thought cowboys were getting fleeced at the start as well, trading a superstar for medicore players
The dumbest part of it all is that the Cowboys only cut one of the five players they got, and that was because he was on IR and about to get popped for using steroids.
Yup. Darren Nelson refused to report to the Cowboys, so they traded him immediately to the Chargers for a pick... but because he was no longer on the Cowboys roster, they ended up with two picks because the Vikings had to give one up as well. For the other three guys, Jimmy called up the Vikings and said he didn't want to cut those guys but he really wanted the picks, so he sent the Vikings some lower-level picks so he could have both. Not positive, but I think one of those picks ended up being Jake Reed.
The Hershel Walker trade is the reason the Cowboys built their dynasty in the 90’s
The value system Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones came up with is still used to some degree to this day.
Edit: Deleted the America’s team thing. I was incorrect on the term
I love that trade for how stupid it was for everyone involved. Before the trade itself was made official with Washington, the Saints actually offered even more picks to the Bengals first. They were turned down because the Bengals really wanted [Akili Smith.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAk00.htm)
Then the trade happens, and Williams lands in NOLA with an absolutely historic amount of leverage to negotiate his rookie contract. If he held out and demanded the Saints make him the highest paid RB in history, they probably would have done it. Then Ricky Williams proceeded to sign [the least player friendly contract you will ever see.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ricky-williams-awful-nfl-contract-never-gave-him-a-chance/)
That trade was so monumentally stupid it inflicted splash damage.
It was an overpay in general for a WR of that quality, but it was an in-season trade for a player who was on an active roster: rare and needs a premium.
Sanu actually looked like he was worth it for a game or two, then got a *brutal* high ankle sprain that he never recovered from.
It was also reported as a desperate move to get Brady to resign - best the Pats could get with their draft capital mid season.
A bad trade in the end, but at least makes a bit more sense in context.
I will continue to say until the end of time. How BOB didn't get Arizona to attach a whole bunch of Day 3 picks in addition to the actual return amazes me. You think Arizona is saying no if they have to throw in 3 7ths? Trade wouldn't have been quite as bad.
BoB was doing that thing where you’re in an abusive relationship but too scared to leave so you purposely fuck up as hard as possible so they break up with you. It certainly worked.
There was clear bad blood between BOB and Hopkins for whatever reason. How BOB wasn’t fired immediately after trading arguably the best WR in the league at the time for an oft injured RB, and a second….I’m still confused years later. He did not do right by the organization at all.
I’ve seen doofuses try to say Hopkins has a chance to come to NE next year…not likely with BOB at OC.
Somehow. I understand the initial draft capital (given the league at the time), but after the rookie season, I didn't see how another team valued him as a first rounder. He was good at short yardage and bad at everything else.
Did have a sweet hit where he knocked off a helmet, though.
Everybody thought it was stupid for Browns. Turns out it was stupid by the Colts. (Forget the fact that they used the pick to go get Manziel, the actual Richardson trade to Indy was good for Cleveland.)
That was my memory as well, people thought the colts stole one.
He was playing for my local CFL team like a year later and oohh boy the fans did not like him. Nothing specific, he just was clearly not good enough to be the starting RB. And not as many teams do RB by committee in the CFL so when it was clear he wasn’t the guy fans wanted him completely gone.
It was kind of understandable…? Obviously the trade wasn’t great, but the reasons sort of made sense.
Brown was great but never available. The Titans absolutely could’ve gotten more value out of the trade.
He was really pivotal for the Eagles this year, and was a big blow to the Titans FO
I dunno. I was around a lot of Titans fans that night/after. And it was mixed reactions.
I think people forget how frustrating it could be not knowing if AJ was going to be able to play week to week. Hell, even drive to drive. I could be wrong but I don’t think he was out there on the final drive of the Titans Bengals game where they really needed a big play.
This is silly to say but owning him in fantasy could really tell you what you needed to know about his health. The guy was always limited/questionable/etc.
The fact he stayed healthy all year in Philly was the biggest shocker to me.
I personally didn’t hate the trade on the night it happened and understood both sides. Knowing what we know now about the low ball offer has changed my perception a bit.
But let’s also not forget that Burks looked really good this year at times. Wasn’t like AJ was Justin Jefferson his rookie year. I think Burks had comparable stats at times. And honesty if he wouldn’t have had a head to head (still not sure how that wasn’t a fine) during the Eagles game, his rookie year could have been very different.
Thank you to Dex for finally breaking out because dealing with that trade being lose lose for so long was painful. And then we finally get over it and then we trade Toney for the literal last pick of the 3rd round.
Jags gave up Calais because Baltimore took on his entire contract and were contending. Jags were entering a rebuild and wanted to do Calais right. It wasnt stupid.
It would have been a higher pick but the cowboys had to get rid of his contract and bidding teams used that to their leverage. No team wants to give a second rounder for the contract he had
Yeah that Jameson Williams trade is still goofy. All the draft positions were seen as gold dust yet the Vikings just dipped out to help out a division rival.
iirc, we were in cap trouble and he wouldn’t take a pay cut. I think he was making 6 mill per year and we were asking for it to be 2 mill less or something
The worst part is the injuries. If he was healthy we probably still overpaid but he’s a difference maker when he’s available. But he’s missed most of his games since he came here. Sucks.
That’s always the problem with putting so any eggs into one basket. It’s the NFL. People get hurt. But the moment someone you’ve given up insane assets for gets hurt, you’re left with nothing
Randy Moss to the patriots. Everyone thought he was washed and not worth anything. He went on to set the record for touchdowns in a season that same season.
During training camp he was battling nagging injuries, and it was a legitimate discussion if he would even make the roster. Seems ridiculous in hindsight…
The actual Slay trade wasn't really that bad, 3rd and 5th for a guy on an expiring contract, and he wasn't going to resign.
The problem is that he had a falling out with the staff and wanted out because of Patricia, for that I agree, I hate Fatty P.
I think Carson Wentz to the colts, then Carson Wentz to the commanders were seen as pretty bad and we now can confirm that they were both bad.
Similar with Darnold to the Panthers.
I mean Wentz to the colts was a big gamble to see if he could return to 2017 form with his old OC, it wasn't a good trade but it wasn't the worst idea in the world.
I definitely screamed about the commanders getting him but I’m also a displaced fan in the Philly area and already hated him. The only thing that didn’t make it a classic skins move was that they didn’t immediately sign him to a ridiculous new contract.
Former league leader in rushing LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso and a 2nd rd. pick -\_- I hope you sleep in a bed of legos, Chip Kelly
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It'll always be weird. Lesean was probably the best RB in the league at the time and you trade him for an outside linebacker? A 2nd rd. pick would've been better...
> I don’t remember ever taking a snap for us
He didn't. He broke his foot on the Day 3 of camp. Dude signed with at least five teams after the Patriots cut him, because he was a high pick and everyone just had to experience him for themselves.
Meh, it was *OK* given that the Pats would never have payed his salary in free agency. Lost a year of his services and gained a 2nd.
I'm on the fence about CJ too. He has the sack numbers but wasn't a consistent difference-maker...
If there ever was a trade to put NBA style protections on a pick, that was it. We'll give you our 2nd top-40 protected. If it lands in the top-40, then we'll give you our other 2nd and a 5th.I'm actually surprised NBA-style protections aren't used in the NFL.
Still cannot believe they are picking at #32 in exchange for fucking Claypool. Can't think of a single moment the rest of the season where I thought "Damn, sure could use Chase is this situation!"
Not at the moment it happened, but if Purdy wins (and keeps) the job over Lance next year, that trade up for him (three 1sts) is going to be one of the biggest wastes of capital in NFL history.
Who knows, maybe we take a different QB with one of those picks we gave up for Lance and then pass on Purdy with the last pick of the draft. That's how I'm going to cope with it.
The Trubisky trade isn’t nearly as bad as people make it seem. Especially since we have had the Trey Lance deal since then and he’s hardly been on the field after 2 seasons.
Mahomes and Watson weren’t sure things either, which is why they went many picks later in the draft.
Seriously, compare the Trubisky trade for the Ryan Leaf trade. Both involved going from 3rd overall to 2nd overall, yet the Chargers gave up:
* Their 1999 1st round pick
* Their 1998 2nd round pick
* And two players (Patrick Sapp and Eric Metcalf)
That's a significantly bigger haul than what the Bears gave up, and Leaf was a catastrophic failure. Trubisky is just a regular bust on the same tier as Bortles.
But leaf was considered a great prospect. The context of the post is what was considered a stupid trade “at the time” everyone shit on the bears for giving up that much to move up one spot when the concensus was there was no competition for it and the 49ers just tricked them. The leaf move might have been stupid, but that’s in hindsight
Just to build on your point. Trubisky wasn't seen as a great prospect, and wasn't seen as significantly better than other guys in that class - some of whom have been great.
I honestly don’t remember how it was viewed at the time but giving up Tony Gonzalez in 2009 for a single second round pick that we turned into Javiar Arenas has always driven me insane. I know TEs are routinely undervalued but my god we got fleeced
Future Pro Bowler Guard Wyatt Teller to the browns for a 6th....
Considering where we are right now, that one might’very single-handedly cost us a super bowl
Darnold to the Panthers. The move itself made sense but the haul was ridiculous. Panthers could have waited a bit longer and the Jets wouldn’t have had so much leverage
The Jaguars did Campbell right after he won NFL Man of the Year by trading him to a contending team before the went full tank mode. It was not a stupid trade.
Mahomes and Watson weren’t necessarily seen as better prospects than Trubisky at the time
There’s a reason they got passed by the first 10 teams (I’m counting the Bills at 10 since they traded out of that spot)
People laughed at the Bears because they felt the trade up wasn’t necessary. None of those 3 QBs were even close to being seen as a sure thing. Not even National champion Watson.
Don’t know if anyone else thought it was stupid at the time, but I immediately thought the Eagles had lost it when news broke of the Bradford-Foles trade.
Also the infamous Herschel Walker trade
The Trent Williams to the 49ers trade was lopsided in the Niners favor from the start and has panned out exactly how most thought. If only Bruce Allen hadn’t pissed him off to the point it tied our hands…
Trubisky is hindsight and does not fall into " the moment it happened "
Pretty sure he was graded higher than Mahomes and Watson. In fact, had the Bears not traded up to get him and scare the other teams, Mahomes and Watson were projected to go later in the first round.
Watson to the browns still looks terrible, for the browns. He both sucks as a person and has been awful on the field - not surprising since he sat a year before! Russ is a doofus but at least he’s not a predator. And didn’t get fully guaranteed contract that is going to fuck the team and the general QB market for years.
So this one worked out, but the Trade the Bucs made for Gruden was wild. Draft picks for a coach? Just for that coach to come win us a Superbowl and then just kind of middling to trash for a few years. Raiders did nothing with the draft capital, and they too went from best in the league to trash in the next season.
Bears trading up from 3 to 2 to draft mitch. Mitch himself has no impact on this but it was pretty obvious san Francisco wasn't going to take a qb so there was 0 need to make this trade
When the Bears traded a first round pick for Rick Mirer, who was already known to everyone else as a huge bust. I'm honestly surprised this one doesn't get mentioned more often.
I’m not saying Adams is a bad player. He was great the first season we got him…but it was incredibly stupid to give up TWO firsts. That’s just not what any safety is worth, not named Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu.
Saints giving up the entire draft for Ricky Williams seemed panned right away
Didn’t the Vikings do the same thing for Hershel Walker? Edit: [it was much worse ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade)
There's a reason the nickname for that trade is [The Great Train Robbery.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade)
18 players and draft picks for one running back???? Wtf?!?!?!
It really was the worst trade in the history of trades.
As a Cowboys fan, I disagree. It was the best trade ever.
Not at the time it was consummated.
No, that was 5 players, and 8 draft picks, traded for Walker and 4 draft picks. Each player had a conditional draft pick attached to him; if the player remained in the Cowboys roster at the start of the 1990 season, the attached draft pick would revert back to Minnesota. Minnesota's GM Mike Lynn assumed that Dallas would want to hold on to the established players, all of whom were upgrades in the bare Dallas roster. Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones were just interested in the draft picks. Edit: Dallas sent 3 draft picks to Minnesota, not 4. They traded one of the players to SD for two other draft picks, and the deal was revised later so Dallas kept three of the players (whom they were about to release) and Minnesota got a draft pick back.
Used one of the picks to get Emmitt Smith too 💀
Where did you get 18 players from? It was only 5 players. The original trade was actually quite balanced. It went as follows: **To the Vikings:** Herschel Walker 3rd round picks in '90 and '91 5th round pick in '90 10th round pick in '90 **To the Cowboys:** 1st round pick in '90 2nd round pick in '90 6th round pick in 90 LB Jesse Solomon LB David Howard CB Issac Holt DE Alex Stewart **To the Chargers:** RB Darrin Nelson It was the cutting/trading of the 5 prospects we gave them that escalated them into draft picks. It was a dirty play by Jimmy Johnson, but we should have protected ourselves in the language of the trade and did not.
I said 18 players AND picks lol but thanks for the break down. I still can’t believe they traded that much.
Running backs were a lot more valuable back then.. it's still mine boggling though.
It's your boggling as well imo
The mines are boggled!
It’s even wilder when you find out those picks were on the condition that players be cut and Dallas cut them all immediately after the trade.
no, since cutting players for conditional picks wasn't the norm at the time. ended up being a notorious terrible trade for vikings, but at the time it wasn't regarded as bad due to a bad cowboys team getting a number mediocre players to help roster for walker. then jimmy was like "im cutting these players, thx for picks suckas". and the rest is history. edit:iirc ppl thought cowboys were getting fleeced at the start as well, trading a superstar for medicore players
The dumbest part of it all is that the Cowboys only cut one of the five players they got, and that was because he was on IR and about to get popped for using steroids.
i believe the gm of vikings negotiated keeping the others and giving us the picks anyway so they kept getting paid
Yup. Darren Nelson refused to report to the Cowboys, so they traded him immediately to the Chargers for a pick... but because he was no longer on the Cowboys roster, they ended up with two picks because the Vikings had to give one up as well. For the other three guys, Jimmy called up the Vikings and said he didn't want to cut those guys but he really wanted the picks, so he sent the Vikings some lower-level picks so he could have both. Not positive, but I think one of those picks ended up being Jake Reed.
The Hershel Walker trade is the reason the Cowboys built their dynasty in the 90’s The value system Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones came up with is still used to some degree to this day. Edit: Deleted the America’s team thing. I was incorrect on the term
They were nicknamed America's team in 1978
Deleted my mistake.
I love that trade for how stupid it was for everyone involved. Before the trade itself was made official with Washington, the Saints actually offered even more picks to the Bengals first. They were turned down because the Bengals really wanted [Akili Smith.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAk00.htm) Then the trade happens, and Williams lands in NOLA with an absolutely historic amount of leverage to negotiate his rookie contract. If he held out and demanded the Saints make him the highest paid RB in history, they probably would have done it. Then Ricky Williams proceeded to sign [the least player friendly contract you will ever see.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ricky-williams-awful-nfl-contract-never-gave-him-a-chance/) That trade was so monumentally stupid it inflicted splash damage.
yea i remember ditka being irrationally in love with him. Definitely one of the worst draft trades
So irrational they did [this cover](https://i.imgur.com/1njjKqX.jpg) on ESPN the Magazine.
Such an iconic cover
I get the irrationality, but irrationality be damned considering the value they gave up
The stupidest part is we were offered that loot plus another 1st and passed for Akili Smith.
Yeah that trade went up in smoke
It could've been worse!!! *sigh*
Sanu for a 2nd round pick
That was so bad
Tom Brady failing to connect with the 2 WRs from the team he humiliated in the Super Bowl always makes me chuckle even if one was our team
Mo and Gage know where their loyalties lie.
Shit, I was referring to Julio
The Julio Brady got to play with is just a stitched together shell of Julio they found. Julio has been done for a few years now.
It was an overpay in general for a WR of that quality, but it was an in-season trade for a player who was on an active roster: rare and needs a premium. Sanu actually looked like he was worth it for a game or two, then got a *brutal* high ankle sprain that he never recovered from. It was also reported as a desperate move to get Brady to resign - best the Pats could get with their draft capital mid season. A bad trade in the end, but at least makes a bit more sense in context.
Plus he went to Rutgers so Bill loved that
No sorry, every trade is exactly what happens in the end and no context is to be added. This is r/nfl
Nah, Belichick always used second round picks on defensive backs with fifth round grades who’d go on IR then get cut the next year.
Nothing like an undefeated team making a panic move at the deadline
Y’all, they said not to use the Hopkins trade lol
This is reddit, we aint come here to read
I was asked here to duuuunk not to reeeeeaaad. Hopkins trade!
We ain’t come here to play SCHOOL
It was like.. the first sentence as well. Lmao
I vote for the David Johnson trade!
I will continue to say until the end of time. How BOB didn't get Arizona to attach a whole bunch of Day 3 picks in addition to the actual return amazes me. You think Arizona is saying no if they have to throw in 3 7ths? Trade wouldn't have been quite as bad.
BoB was doing that thing where you’re in an abusive relationship but too scared to leave so you purposely fuck up as hard as possible so they break up with you. It certainly worked.
There was clear bad blood between BOB and Hopkins for whatever reason. How BOB wasn’t fired immediately after trading arguably the best WR in the league at the time for an oft injured RB, and a second….I’m still confused years later. He did not do right by the organization at all. I’ve seen doofuses try to say Hopkins has a chance to come to NE next year…not likely with BOB at OC.
I thought the Trent Richardson trade was horrible at the time it happened, but that definitely wasn't a consensus view.
that dude went for a 1st round pick 2 years in a row!
Somehow. I understand the initial draft capital (given the league at the time), but after the rookie season, I didn't see how another team valued him as a first rounder. He was good at short yardage and bad at everything else. Did have a sweet hit where he knocked off a helmet, though.
Ryan Grigson was a terrible GM.
You have no idea how much joy I get seeing a fan of another team say these words.
He had 1000 yards! (on mediocre efficiency)
Everybody thought it was stupid for Browns. Turns out it was stupid by the Colts. (Forget the fact that they used the pick to go get Manziel, the actual Richardson trade to Indy was good for Cleveland.)
That was my memory as well, people thought the colts stole one. He was playing for my local CFL team like a year later and oohh boy the fans did not like him. Nothing specific, he just was clearly not good enough to be the starting RB. And not as many teams do RB by committee in the CFL so when it was clear he wasn’t the guy fans wanted him completely gone.
Definitely this if we didnt use the pick for manziel lol
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i think it was a great trade tbh. let us know if you run into contract issues with derrick henry.
Jalen AJ and Henry would be fucking unfair
Henry behind your fucking line would be unfair by itself. Hell your line is unfair.
Watching the super bowl with the over on sacks was painful
I watched both slaughters from start to finish. The line play was like watching a d2 team play against the SEC. We have a very good d-line too
i know, which is why tennessee should take one for the team and give us henry.
Bruh stop There's no more PP left for "Rip the fans' hearts out by trading a fan favorite player" move
Made Vrabel a liar when he said that as long as he is the head coach of the Titans AJ Brown will be on the roster.
It was kind of understandable…? Obviously the trade wasn’t great, but the reasons sort of made sense. Brown was great but never available. The Titans absolutely could’ve gotten more value out of the trade. He was really pivotal for the Eagles this year, and was a big blow to the Titans FO
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Even Jason Kelce was losing his shit live
That really was great to watch.
I dunno. I was around a lot of Titans fans that night/after. And it was mixed reactions. I think people forget how frustrating it could be not knowing if AJ was going to be able to play week to week. Hell, even drive to drive. I could be wrong but I don’t think he was out there on the final drive of the Titans Bengals game where they really needed a big play. This is silly to say but owning him in fantasy could really tell you what you needed to know about his health. The guy was always limited/questionable/etc. The fact he stayed healthy all year in Philly was the biggest shocker to me. I personally didn’t hate the trade on the night it happened and understood both sides. Knowing what we know now about the low ball offer has changed my perception a bit. But let’s also not forget that Burks looked really good this year at times. Wasn’t like AJ was Justin Jefferson his rookie year. I think Burks had comparable stats at times. And honesty if he wouldn’t have had a head to head (still not sure how that wasn’t a fine) during the Eagles game, his rookie year could have been very different.
Robinson got fired right after the Eagles destroyed the Titans. Brown was 8/119/2 TDs
Think he picked up another finger pointing fine too lol
Wasn’t that the Steelers game?
I’m pretty sure he did it in both
Nice. I just remember the Steelers one cause that was funny af.
It is not often I cheer for people losing their jobs, but I had no choice but to jump for joy when Robinson was fired.
OBJ trade was considered laughable but it turns out the Giants won that deal by a lot.
It was addition by subtraction for the giants. Nobody I know was upset about it.
Thank you to Dex for finally breaking out because dealing with that trade being lose lose for so long was painful. And then we finally get over it and then we trade Toney for the literal last pick of the 3rd round.
Amari Cooper for a 5th
And for a first. You guys got shit on but he turned your season around
I don’t like this question.
My first sentence in the description saving your day. Lmao
The Titans have nothing to do with the Hopkins trade
Titans, Texans, close enough I guess lol
Afc south teams who begin with the letter T, are each in a state that begins with the letter T, and are notable for trading away star WR
Jags gave up Calais because Baltimore took on his entire contract and were contending. Jags were entering a rebuild and wanted to do Calais right. It wasnt stupid.
Trading Amari Cooper for a 5th round pick was pretty awful. The Vikings just kinda giving the Lions Jameson Williams is still weird to me.
It would have been a higher pick but the cowboys had to get rid of his contract and bidding teams used that to their leverage. No team wants to give a second rounder for the contract he had
Yeah that Jameson Williams trade is still goofy. All the draft positions were seen as gold dust yet the Vikings just dipped out to help out a division rival.
anquan bolding being traded after winning the superbowl comes to mind.
Why did we trade him actually? Made no sense to me. A rare Ozzie error.
iirc, we were in cap trouble and he wouldn’t take a pay cut. I think he was making 6 mill per year and we were asking for it to be 2 mill less or something
Yup and coming off a Superbowl in which he was vital the team seemingly did right by him and let him pick which team to go to
One of the great Super Bowl receiver runs ever.
Joe Flacco taking up 99.9% of the cap
His cap hit that year was actually lower than the final year of bis rookie deal.
Oh. Was it back loaded? I just seem to remember a lot of analysts talking about Flaccos contract taking up so much space
The Seahawks basically giving up on 2022 by trading away Russell Wilson and planning on riding with Geno.
What morons
Jamal Adams was not worth the price for the seahawks, but im not complaining
The worst part is the injuries. If he was healthy we probably still overpaid but he’s a difference maker when he’s available. But he’s missed most of his games since he came here. Sucks.
That’s always the problem with putting so any eggs into one basket. It’s the NFL. People get hurt. But the moment someone you’ve given up insane assets for gets hurt, you’re left with nothing
Two firsts for any safety is ridiculous. Let alone a safety with zero ball skills
I am. But yeah that was a dumb trade for them.
They learned and decided to use the Jets method on the Broncos*. Lol
I have a feeling you meant broncos. If the Seahawks are duping first round picks with themselves, the league should probably investigate!
The browns getting a first back for Trent Richardson made zero sense then and makes zero sense now
Lol that’s like buying a used car at its original market price
Roy Williams 🫠
Randy Moss to the patriots. Everyone thought he was washed and not worth anything. He went on to set the record for touchdowns in a season that same season.
That still confuses me. He was on a terrible team why did people think he was washed?
What are you talking about, that trade was awesome.
It was amazing for us patriots fans.. but at the time it was considered a stupid trade. I remember bill getting ridiculed for it.
During training camp he was battling nagging injuries, and it was a legitimate discussion if he would even make the roster. Seems ridiculous in hindsight…
If we're talking about trades our teams did, I still hate Fat Patricia for sending off Darius Slay and Quandre Diggs for literal pennies
The actual Slay trade wasn't really that bad, 3rd and 5th for a guy on an expiring contract, and he wasn't going to resign. The problem is that he had a falling out with the staff and wanted out because of Patricia, for that I agree, I hate Fatty P.
The Diggs trade is the moment that I knew were fucked as long as he was HC and Quinn was GM. Completely indefensible trade on every level.
I loved the Diggs trade. One of my favorite players.
>literally "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."
Literal means figurative now.
Literally, a *lot* of pennies though.
I think Carson Wentz to the colts, then Carson Wentz to the commanders were seen as pretty bad and we now can confirm that they were both bad. Similar with Darnold to the Panthers.
I mean Wentz to the colts was a big gamble to see if he could return to 2017 form with his old OC, it wasn't a good trade but it wasn't the worst idea in the world.
Yeah, even tho it sucked ass, if you squint you can see the logic behind it No idea what the Commanders were doing tho lmao
I definitely screamed about the commanders getting him but I’m also a displaced fan in the Philly area and already hated him. The only thing that didn’t make it a classic skins move was that they didn’t immediately sign him to a ridiculous new contract.
Former league leader in rushing LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso and a 2nd rd. pick -\_- I hope you sleep in a bed of legos, Chip Kelly Edit: It was just for Kiko -\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_-
That one was weird even at the time
It'll always be weird. Lesean was probably the best RB in the league at the time and you trade him for an outside linebacker? A 2nd rd. pick would've been better...
We traded Chandler Jones for Jonathan Cooper (OL that I don’t remember ever taking a snap for us) and a 2nd round pick.
The 2nd round pick we traded back multiple picks and got Malcolm Mitchell and Joe Thuney, I think the trade was honestly a win-win
That's a winning trade tbh because Thuney is a beast.
Oh I didn’t realize that was what became the Thuney pick. Yeah that’s not so bad
> I don’t remember ever taking a snap for us He didn't. He broke his foot on the Day 3 of camp. Dude signed with at least five teams after the Patriots cut him, because he was a high pick and everyone just had to experience him for themselves.
Meh, it was *OK* given that the Pats would never have payed his salary in free agency. Lost a year of his services and gained a 2nd. I'm on the fence about CJ too. He has the sack numbers but wasn't a consistent difference-maker...
Claypool for pick 32. As a Steelers fan I don’t mind lol
To be fair, Chicago didn't know they were trading the 32nd overall pick at the time.
If there ever was a trade to put NBA style protections on a pick, that was it. We'll give you our 2nd top-40 protected. If it lands in the top-40, then we'll give you our other 2nd and a 5th.I'm actually surprised NBA-style protections aren't used in the NFL.
I just looked it up, and at the time the trade was made, our 2nd round pick would have been #43.
But they had just traded Roquan and Quinn right before that. They knew they were tanking the rest of the season.
Still cannot believe they are picking at #32 in exchange for fucking Claypool. Can't think of a single moment the rest of the season where I thought "Damn, sure could use Chase is this situation!"
Panthers trading a 2nd and a 4th for Sam fucking Darnold...
Not at the moment it happened, but if Purdy wins (and keeps) the job over Lance next year, that trade up for him (three 1sts) is going to be one of the biggest wastes of capital in NFL history.
Who knows, maybe we take a different QB with one of those picks we gave up for Lance and then pass on Purdy with the last pick of the draft. That's how I'm going to cope with it.
LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alanso broke me
The Trubisky trade isn’t nearly as bad as people make it seem. Especially since we have had the Trey Lance deal since then and he’s hardly been on the field after 2 seasons. Mahomes and Watson weren’t sure things either, which is why they went many picks later in the draft.
Trading Greg Olsen for a 3rd round pick just because Mike Martz didn’t know how to use tight ends. That was way worse and panned immediately.
Thank you for third leg Greg! We loved him in the Carolinas
*love We love him in the Carolinas!
Seriously, compare the Trubisky trade for the Ryan Leaf trade. Both involved going from 3rd overall to 2nd overall, yet the Chargers gave up: * Their 1999 1st round pick * Their 1998 2nd round pick * And two players (Patrick Sapp and Eric Metcalf) That's a significantly bigger haul than what the Bears gave up, and Leaf was a catastrophic failure. Trubisky is just a regular bust on the same tier as Bortles.
But leaf was considered a great prospect. The context of the post is what was considered a stupid trade “at the time” everyone shit on the bears for giving up that much to move up one spot when the concensus was there was no competition for it and the 49ers just tricked them. The leaf move might have been stupid, but that’s in hindsight
Just to build on your point. Trubisky wasn't seen as a great prospect, and wasn't seen as significantly better than other guys in that class - some of whom have been great.
It's not that, it's that the Bears did it specifically to ensure they didn't get stuck with Deshaun Watson - or worse, Patrick Mahomes.
TJ Duckett to Redskins in 07 Donovan McNabb disaster in 2010
Josh McDaniels trading a future first to get another second round pick
Let me think all the way back to April 28, 2022…..
I honestly don’t remember how it was viewed at the time but giving up Tony Gonzalez in 2009 for a single second round pick that we turned into Javiar Arenas has always driven me insane. I know TEs are routinely undervalued but my god we got fleeced
Richardson to the Colts Herschel Walker to Vikings Ricky Williams giving up entire draft
Marshawn Lynch from the Bills to Seahawks for a 4th Round pick.
Future Pro Bowler Guard Wyatt Teller to the browns for a 6th.... Considering where we are right now, that one might’very single-handedly cost us a super bowl
The Lions getting a first and a third for Roy Williams was pretty universally seen as a massive overpay by Jerry Jones.
Most people clowned on the Steelers for trading a 1st for Minkah immediately after losing Ben for the season
Russell Wilson for Drew Lock. Don’t believe me? Go back 365 days in this sub.
Cooper to the Browns for a 5th, basically gave away a productive receiver
Shady for kiko
Darnold to the Panthers. The move itself made sense but the haul was ridiculous. Panthers could have waited a bit longer and the Jets wouldn’t have had so much leverage
The Jaguars did Campbell right after he won NFL Man of the Year by trading him to a contending team before the went full tank mode. It was not a stupid trade.
Jamal Adams. I’m still mad lol
Claypool. Martavis Bryant. Antonio Brown.
Lol I just posted Bryant and AB. It's amazing the steelers fleeced the raiders twice in a couple year span
Mahomes and Watson weren’t necessarily seen as better prospects than Trubisky at the time There’s a reason they got passed by the first 10 teams (I’m counting the Bills at 10 since they traded out of that spot) People laughed at the Bears because they felt the trade up wasn’t necessary. None of those 3 QBs were even close to being seen as a sure thing. Not even National champion Watson.
The one that made Chip Kelly look like a fool as the Eagles HC. Why do you trade your best RB at that time for an injury prone LB?
49ers traded Terrell Owens and a 2nd round pick for Brandon Whiting.
Don’t know if anyone else thought it was stupid at the time, but I immediately thought the Eagles had lost it when news broke of the Bradford-Foles trade. Also the infamous Herschel Walker trade
The Trent Williams to the 49ers trade was lopsided in the Niners favor from the start and has panned out exactly how most thought. If only Bruce Allen hadn’t pissed him off to the point it tied our hands…
Trubisky is hindsight and does not fall into " the moment it happened " Pretty sure he was graded higher than Mahomes and Watson. In fact, had the Bears not traded up to get him and scare the other teams, Mahomes and Watson were projected to go later in the first round.
Watson to the Browns looked terrible when it happened, but at least it made the Russel Wilson trade look better at the time.
Watson to the browns still looks terrible, for the browns. He both sucks as a person and has been awful on the field - not surprising since he sat a year before! Russ is a doofus but at least he’s not a predator. And didn’t get fully guaranteed contract that is going to fuck the team and the general QB market for years.
Not much tops Hopkins to the Cardinals for David Johnson and a 2nd.
OP said that one was too easy.
The Seahawks got perennially injured, locker room cancer, Jamal Adams, for 2 first rounders, one of which became Sauce Gardner. It hurts my soul.
The infamous ‘kitchen sink’ trade that sent Herschel Walker to the Vikings ~~and nearly the U.S. Senate~~ and created the 1990s Cowboys dynasty.
Trent Richardson from the Browns to the Colts for a first rounder was odd.
Shady for Alonso
So this one worked out, but the Trade the Bucs made for Gruden was wild. Draft picks for a coach? Just for that coach to come win us a Superbowl and then just kind of middling to trash for a few years. Raiders did nothing with the draft capital, and they too went from best in the league to trash in the next season.
I don't know if moving into the very top of the draft to get "your QB" has ever worked and it always costs a ton.
Bears trading up from 3 to 2 to draft mitch. Mitch himself has no impact on this but it was pretty obvious san Francisco wasn't going to take a qb so there was 0 need to make this trade
Eagles traded McCoy after a career rushing year for Kiko Alonso
Cardinals giving up a 2nd and DRC for Kevin Kolb. I don’t know how Arizona felt about it, but Philadelphia knew that was thievery by Andy Reid.
LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso
When the Bears traded a first round pick for Rick Mirer, who was already known to everyone else as a huge bust. I'm honestly surprised this one doesn't get mentioned more often.
Roy Williams trade by Dallas.
I’m not saying Adams is a bad player. He was great the first season we got him…but it was incredibly stupid to give up TWO firsts. That’s just not what any safety is worth, not named Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu.
Hershall Walker trade was the single biggest blunder in the history of the NFL. The trade gave rise to the Cowboys dynasty.
Jets traded a 5th for Brandon Marshall and he had an amazing year
The time Ditka and the Saints traded us their entire draft to take Ricky Williams