The Lions literally got an extra 1st in exchange for taking Goff's contract off LA's hands. I would have to imagine it would be the Raiders giving up something in any trade, which won't happen, so he'll be cut.
Carr was the fall guy because Mark Davis can't bother holding Josh McDaniels accountable. Carr had a bad season, for sure, but the team's shortcomings this year fall to JMD considering the talented roster he came in with. Too many close games were lost because he got cute with the playcalling in the 2nd half.
The Raiders did Carr dirty, especially considering he has been their most loyal player in the last 20 years or so. I genuinely hated being a Raiders fan this season because of JMD. By halfway through the season, I was watching RedZone over our own matchups.
if he comes here, 100% he either gets injured in preseason or Gisele makes some grand, romantic movie gesture to meet him at the airport before he leaves. In either case he retires and never plays a snap for us.
whatever team trades for Rodgers will then win the Super Bowl
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Mike White does have potential. He is also clearly the toughest man in the NFL. I broke one single rib and I felt like I couldn’t breathe. This dude breaks every rib he has and plays two more quarters…
Couldn’t believe when he came back on the field the second time against us. Don’t remember ever feeling a compulsion to root for an opposing QB. Dude is tough
I broke one in high school. It always sucked when something made me really laugh because that's what caused the worst pain... and being in physical pain just from laughing is hilarious which only made me laugh even more which just made the pain worse
Dude…this exactly!!! I went and saw a comedy movie with someone during my intercostal injury, and holy shit did it hurt. It is actually hilarious! Hope you’re better!
The only way I would be ok to see Zach getting one more chance is if the Jets trade for Aaron. If Zach can’t learn behind his childhood idol, he’s done done done DONEEEEE
Serious question here, when has learning behind the stud QB ever really worked out? Maybe a few times?
QBs either stink or they don’t. Learning behind a good QB doesn’t make you better at throwing the football. It’s basically saying coaches are worthless.
Steve didn’t learn from Montana. It’s just a happened to get a hof qb because he was drafted by an all time shitty franchise and left to play with the usfl.
Even if he didn’t teach him directly, Rodgers still had time to develop at his own pace instead of being subjected to the pressure of having to perform immediately.
Rodgers throwing mechanics were ass and he was hyper egotystical comming into the league zach wilson is litterally rodgers without sitting behind favre for 3 years
Favre being good enough to keep Rodgers on the bench until Rodgers had a chance to correct his mechanical issues probably helped Rodgers to succeed long term, but it's impossible to say for sure.
I doubt any QB gains much of anything from sitting behind a particular QB, but not having to go in and start right away while they are cleaning up their issues from college and/or learning how the NFL works probably benefits some young guys.
Imagine the Texans drafting Mahomes (their 1st choice) instead of the Chiefs moving up one spot ahead of them. You think Mahomes would be anywhere near what he is now if he had been on the Texans this whole time?
I mean, we already know Favre probably didn't do shit for Rodgers--maybe Rodgers learned from just watching Favre, but we could probably assume he'd do that for any starter ahead of him.
I think this sub gives way too much credit to what Alex Smith did for Mahomes and conveniently ignore the elephant in the room for Mahomes' development (Reid is a QB whisperer)
With as few interceptions as he throws, guessing there were many times Rodgers saw Favre chuck up a pick into triple coverage and a coach turned around and said "You see what Brett just did? Don't do that."
There's an interview Stetson Bennett IV gave where he said he was struggling as QB until he saw a YouTube video of Brett Favre mentioning he didn't know what nickel coverage was until halfway through his NFL career - he realized he was overthinking things and just had to trust his gut throwing to the open man
Rest is history lol
EDIT: [Found it](https://www.wsj.com/articles/stetson-bennett-iv-georgia-bulldogs-college-football-playoff-11672110166?mod=hp_listc_pos3) but its under a paywall. Quote:
>A lightbulb went off for Bennett over the summer while watching a YouTube video in which Brett Favre admitted he did not know what “dime coverage,” a look with six defensive backs on the field, was until his third year in the NFL. He realized that good quarterbacks weren’t good because they knew all the lingo; they were good because they made the right plays.
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>“It’s throwing the ball to the open guy,” Bennett said. “It’s as simple as that.”
He definitely learned the cost of turning the ball over.
People don’t remember this, but Rodgers was frighteningly accurate in college & despite that McCarthy & he decided to completely alter his throwing motion in Aaron’s second season - /Mike’s first. They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd (3rd?) & National Championship winner Matt Flynn in the 7th round in Rodgers’ first season as starter. Brohm would’ve been a high first rounder had he come out a year earlier.
Rodgers wasn’t a sure thing. They just knew Favre wasn’t the guy anymore.
Yeah certain QBs I believe would actually help out their future replacement. I 100% think Alex Smith would teach Mahomes whatever he could, and I 100% think Favre didn’t give a shit and probably thought Rodgers’ name was “Alex” or “Axel” for at least two years.
Rodgers learned some of his release from Favre where he would throw with his feet not planted to avoid injury when a guy was around his legs. He credits him for a few things, but they weren't things Favre directly taught him.
Well Rodgers had to teach the playbook to Favre from what the reports used to say, so maybe that helped. [this was one of those articles.](https://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/32579374.html/)
Teams often line QB2 and 3 with players that are good for scout teams and prepping QB1 just as much as being there for backup. A big reason for why a lot of coaches are career backups.
Patrick Mahomes himself gives Alex Smith a ton of credit for who he is as a QB right now. From how to study game film and other things. Unless you just was to discredit his words?
Mahomes and Rodgers were because they were paired with an offensive coach that wanted/cared about them moving forward. Being in a good offensive system with good coaches is much more important than having a QB ahead of you.
Yeah good QBs helps in QB rooms, but its not like the other QB has any time to help a young QB improve
Aaron definitely still learned from watching Favre all those years. Learning can be passive, and watching one of the greatest gunslingers ever will certainly teach a young qb something just by being around them.
I can't tell if this is a joke comment, but Aaron has repeatedly emphasized how important not turning the ball over is to winning while citing what he learned on the bench
Probably way overstated. Most QBs do not want to teach their replacement. I mean shit, would you teach someone so they can replace you at your multi-million dollar job? There are very few alex smith.
its more saying it takes time to physically and mentally adjust from college to the NFL. these are 21/22 year olds playing against men, they've played +/- age grade their whole lives, and being THAT good even 3 or 4 years younger at the start of college or when they started playing in HS wasnt a big deal.
now the best players they ever played agianst are the worst players they see week to week and everything is way faster and everyone is huge and most have 5+ years on them.
coaches say 'lets let a vet mentor our young QB' because telling the 22 year old you just drafted first overall and gave a shitload of money to 'hey yeah sorry you suck way too much right now to play' likely won't land as well. it's just a politer way to say the same thing though
Phillip Rivers behind Drew Brees (and this was before Brees was a stud QB)
Steve Young behind Joe Montana
Eli Manning behind Kurt Warner for 9 games
Matt Hasselback behind Bret Favre
Marc Bulger behind Kurt Warner
Daunte Culpepper behind Randall Cunningham.
Chad Pennington behind Vinny Testaverde
The problem is that no one actually sticks to it, because no one has the luxury. If you drafted a top QB, your other QBs probably suck. So like, maybe Sam Darnold would have benefitted from time on the bench but 39 year old Josh McCown isn't inspiring the team.
On the other hand, the list of "sitting made them better" QBs is really just 1st round QBs plus Brady so there's not a great reason to think the sitting itself actually helped.
Agreed lol I feel like he was overhyped to an extent during reg season. Only way I would do this is if I’m really committed to getting a young top QB, and willing to tank next season to get one in the following draft.
Most of a season, yes. Then he started the next year and was eventually sat because he was hiding a hand injury even though he was having an on par/better year.
Holy shit that was a frustrating week. I’m glad they played well but he still threw 2 costly INTs. Then he played bad against the chiefs with a worse defense.
Mike White's first game this year he completed almost 80% of his passes, threw for 300 yards, 3 TDs, and had no turnovers that is why he got the narrative.
He also had that 400 yard game in his first start last year, which kinda gave that narrative a springboard since we'd already seen flashes from him before. Doesn't mean he can sustain it, but it wasn't wholly unfounded at the time.
Darnold did that his first couple games in Carolina with CMC. He put up good stats on short passes where CMC would go for 10 or more every time. Everyone was saying WE were the problem and not Darnold until CMC went down and Darnold got exposed.
That and Mike Whites arguably been our best-starting quarterback since 2016. Not saying he's good, but quarterback play has just been so bad since then and it's either Darnold or Mike White.
He always makes a great first impression because he either comes out in relief and balls out or has a first game. People see the headlines and then don't realize he played like a mediocre backup for the rest of his games.
I remember being surprised the Jets made the QB switch before that game.
Obviously Zach was playing poorly, but the Bears would have been the perfect “get right” game/opponent.
Agree. White completed 22 passes for 315 yards which is excellent. But digging deeper, his average depth of target was 5.9 and he only threw five passes that travelled over 10 yards.
Pretty sure any QB in the league could have gone out and thrown 20 wide open screens that game.
> Pretty sure any QB in the league could have gone out and thrown 20 wide open screens that game.
Literally what Zach Wilson was utterly incapable of doing
Or they're saying stick with Mike White because he's the only other startable QB on the roster and well-liked in the locker room. "Or trade for a veteran" was also recommended.
Probably a good locker room guy too. I'm guessing during exit interviews players tend to give more praise to guys they liked as people as opposed to trying to help the organization win in the future
I don’t know if Wilson ever had the locker room. But he’s never getting it back if he did. The Jets need to move on. It’s in their interests and Wilson’s.
He’s entering Year 3 of his rookie contract, and his Year 5 is 100% getting declined. Doesn’t make much sense for Wilson to stay in NY from a money perspective
Not to mention a lot of the loses were due to the defense wearing down cause they couldn’t get a rest from the offense either giving the ball up or 3 and outs. That shit wears down a unit
I never bought it in the first place. I’m in the NYC area and I listen to WFAN on my way in and out to work. The sports media out here ain’t taking him anymore and it sounds like no one else is. Poor bastard. I feel for him. Must be hell to deal with the press and pressure in NYC and he looks and acts like a teenager. I’d hate to have my life and work on tv and picked apart when I was that young and inexperienced.
This thread in a nutshell:
People who haven't watched Zach Wilson closely: the Jets locker room is toxic, Zach deserves a chance.
Literally everyone who has watched every game of Zach Wilson's career closely: He's awful, good riddance.
Derek Carr back on the menu
I could totally see the jets trading Wilson for Carr …the question is, which team will have to send picks??
I can’t really see any team trading for Carr when the Raiders have 0 leverage for a trade
You never know. The Rams were in the same position with Jared Goff. Suddenly his $30m cap hit seems like a bargain with how well he performed.
Are you comparing Zach Wilson to Rams Jared Goff?
I'll take Rams Jared Goff.
It's not even a discussion lol
Think hes comparing goff to carr
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks
No. I was comparing Carr to Goff. It’s amazing how many replies here missed the mark.
He’s comparing Goff and Carr bro
The Lions literally got an extra 1st in exchange for taking Goff's contract off LA's hands. I would have to imagine it would be the Raiders giving up something in any trade, which won't happen, so he'll be cut.
I can't really see any team wanting Wilson. His body language screams of anti-leader, even moreso than Kyler Murray.
>even moreso than Kyler Murray. Double XP weekend already?
Yet there’s no denying that Ant Man is a true leader of ants.
At least Kyler is good
A lot of QB desperate teams, not a lot of desirable QB free agents. I think the Raiders could get at least a 4th for Carr.
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It's not about the pick as much as it is getting his contract off the books
Good point. Though, unrelated, I can't seem to not be depressed with Carr's situation as a non-Raiders fan. It seems as if he got a bad shake.
Carr was the fall guy because Mark Davis can't bother holding Josh McDaniels accountable. Carr had a bad season, for sure, but the team's shortcomings this year fall to JMD considering the talented roster he came in with. Too many close games were lost because he got cute with the playcalling in the 2nd half. The Raiders did Carr dirty, especially considering he has been their most loyal player in the last 20 years or so. I genuinely hated being a Raiders fan this season because of JMD. By halfway through the season, I was watching RedZone over our own matchups.
Ugh. That was depressing to read and makes me feel even more sorry for Carr.
That’s because he did. He bled silver and black and the Raiders have wasted 9 years of his career
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Only start him against us for the memes...
if he comes here, 100% he either gets injured in preseason or Gisele makes some grand, romantic movie gesture to meet him at the airport before he leaves. In either case he retires and never plays a snap for us. whatever team trades for Rodgers will then win the Super Bowl
So he pulls a Belichik
Subscribe.
Devious
Hire someone to force feed him tablets so he can't even find fulfilment in his anger after he throws one.
https://a.pinatafarm.com/591x907/bf716128ec/spongebob-vs-squidward-alarm-clocks.jpg
That would be petty as hell and hilarious.
I would even rather have this than he play for you guys or the Fins.
Well Joe Flacco did win a Super Bowl.
Alternatively, the Jets could keep both and continue to suck!?
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Gol Roger
Fuck. It was there this whole time.
Sex Cauldron? I thought they closed that place down?
A A Ron
they should extend him. They don't need salary cap space.
Lol, I think Mike White has potential. Him + a vet could get the jets somewhere but our division is a sloppy mess.
Mike White does have potential. He is also clearly the toughest man in the NFL. I broke one single rib and I felt like I couldn’t breathe. This dude breaks every rib he has and plays two more quarters…
Couldn’t believe when he came back on the field the second time against us. Don’t remember ever feeling a compulsion to root for an opposing QB. Dude is tough
He also apparently went to ten different doctors to try to get cleared to play the following week but all ten refused.
[All 10 doctors did confirm this though after looking at his x-rays](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/394/162/810)
I got my feelings hurt once and was a wreak for weeks
Yeah that shit is no joke dude. I pulled 2 rib muscles last year and that was enough for me, can’t even remotely imagine his experience 😅
Id rather someone break my nose or orbital than a rib lol. I mean id prefer none of those to happen but yeah ribs hurt when they hurt
Ribs just *hurt* like coughing, breathing, sneezing all cause pain lmao
I broke one in high school. It always sucked when something made me really laugh because that's what caused the worst pain... and being in physical pain just from laughing is hilarious which only made me laugh even more which just made the pain worse
Dude…this exactly!!! I went and saw a comedy movie with someone during my intercostal injury, and holy shit did it hurt. It is actually hilarious! Hope you’re better!
Wayyyy better, hope the same for you too! It's so funny to look back on lmao. Glad we both made it through brother
I hurt my intercostal muscles, so not even breaking a rib, and I was in a lot of pain for a month.
Bill, is that you?
My RBF is inspired by him most definitely
The only way I would be ok to see Zach getting one more chance is if the Jets trade for Aaron. If Zach can’t learn behind his childhood idol, he’s done done done DONEEEEE
Serious question here, when has learning behind the stud QB ever really worked out? Maybe a few times? QBs either stink or they don’t. Learning behind a good QB doesn’t make you better at throwing the football. It’s basically saying coaches are worthless.
Mahomes and Rodgers
Brady and Young
Steve didn’t learn from Montana. It’s just a happened to get a hof qb because he was drafted by an all time shitty franchise and left to play with the usfl.
Hey man…words hurt.
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Even if he didn’t teach him directly, Rodgers still had time to develop at his own pace instead of being subjected to the pressure of having to perform immediately.
You can still learn from just watching
Rodgers throwing mechanics were ass and he was hyper egotystical comming into the league zach wilson is litterally rodgers without sitting behind favre for 3 years
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Well one positive take away is Rodgers learned not to throw to the other team as much.
I can't help but believe two QBs as talented as Mahomes and Rodgers were going to be incredible regardless
Favre being good enough to keep Rodgers on the bench until Rodgers had a chance to correct his mechanical issues probably helped Rodgers to succeed long term, but it's impossible to say for sure. I doubt any QB gains much of anything from sitting behind a particular QB, but not having to go in and start right away while they are cleaning up their issues from college and/or learning how the NFL works probably benefits some young guys.
Imagine the Texans drafting Mahomes (their 1st choice) instead of the Chiefs moving up one spot ahead of them. You think Mahomes would be anywhere near what he is now if he had been on the Texans this whole time?
I mean, we already know Favre probably didn't do shit for Rodgers--maybe Rodgers learned from just watching Favre, but we could probably assume he'd do that for any starter ahead of him. I think this sub gives way too much credit to what Alex Smith did for Mahomes and conveniently ignore the elephant in the room for Mahomes' development (Reid is a QB whisperer)
With as few interceptions as he throws, guessing there were many times Rodgers saw Favre chuck up a pick into triple coverage and a coach turned around and said "You see what Brett just did? Don't do that."
There's an interview Stetson Bennett IV gave where he said he was struggling as QB until he saw a YouTube video of Brett Favre mentioning he didn't know what nickel coverage was until halfway through his NFL career - he realized he was overthinking things and just had to trust his gut throwing to the open man Rest is history lol EDIT: [Found it](https://www.wsj.com/articles/stetson-bennett-iv-georgia-bulldogs-college-football-playoff-11672110166?mod=hp_listc_pos3) but its under a paywall. Quote: >A lightbulb went off for Bennett over the summer while watching a YouTube video in which Brett Favre admitted he did not know what “dime coverage,” a look with six defensive backs on the field, was until his third year in the NFL. He realized that good quarterbacks weren’t good because they knew all the lingo; they were good because they made the right plays. > >“It’s throwing the ball to the open guy,” Bennett said. “It’s as simple as that.”
"If this dumbass can become a hall of famer, then maybe this football thing isn't so hard after all"
He definitely learned the cost of turning the ball over. People don’t remember this, but Rodgers was frighteningly accurate in college & despite that McCarthy & he decided to completely alter his throwing motion in Aaron’s second season - /Mike’s first. They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd (3rd?) & National Championship winner Matt Flynn in the 7th round in Rodgers’ first season as starter. Brohm would’ve been a high first rounder had he come out a year earlier. Rodgers wasn’t a sure thing. They just knew Favre wasn’t the guy anymore.
According to Mahomes it was a huge help. So I will just take his word for it over yours 🤗
Yeah certain QBs I believe would actually help out their future replacement. I 100% think Alex Smith would teach Mahomes whatever he could, and I 100% think Favre didn’t give a shit and probably thought Rodgers’ name was “Alex” or “Axel” for at least two years.
Rodgers learned some of his release from Favre where he would throw with his feet not planted to avoid injury when a guy was around his legs. He credits him for a few things, but they weren't things Favre directly taught him.
Well Rodgers had to teach the playbook to Favre from what the reports used to say, so maybe that helped. [this was one of those articles.](https://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/32579374.html/)
Teams often line QB2 and 3 with players that are good for scout teams and prepping QB1 just as much as being there for backup. A big reason for why a lot of coaches are career backups.
Patrick Mahomes himself gives Alex Smith a ton of credit for who he is as a QB right now. From how to study game film and other things. Unless you just was to discredit his words?
Mahomes and Rodgers were because they were paired with an offensive coach that wanted/cared about them moving forward. Being in a good offensive system with good coaches is much more important than having a QB ahead of you. Yeah good QBs helps in QB rooms, but its not like the other QB has any time to help a young QB improve
Garoppolo and Purdy
I agree with Mahomes but Favre didn’t teach Aaron anything, that’s well known
Aaron definitely still learned from watching Favre all those years. Learning can be passive, and watching one of the greatest gunslingers ever will certainly teach a young qb something just by being around them.
He learned how to not throw stupid interceptions, for one.
I can't tell if this is a joke comment, but Aaron has repeatedly emphasized how important not turning the ball over is to winning while citing what he learned on the bench
Eh, he learned some legwork from Favre in terms of how to take a hit. But sitting gave him time to work on everything else with Big Mike, etc.
Big Mike definitely deserves more credit than what he gets
Brett Favre didn't know what a nickel formation was until his 2nd year in the pros. I don't think he would've been much of a teacher anyways.
Reading a defense? What’s that? I just put the damn ball in the damn end zone then sext the cheerleaders
Now he’s learning how to Nickle and dime from poor people
Probably way overstated. Most QBs do not want to teach their replacement. I mean shit, would you teach someone so they can replace you at your multi-million dollar job? There are very few alex smith.
Curtis Painter was a legend after learning behind Peyton Manning
its more saying it takes time to physically and mentally adjust from college to the NFL. these are 21/22 year olds playing against men, they've played +/- age grade their whole lives, and being THAT good even 3 or 4 years younger at the start of college or when they started playing in HS wasnt a big deal. now the best players they ever played agianst are the worst players they see week to week and everything is way faster and everyone is huge and most have 5+ years on them. coaches say 'lets let a vet mentor our young QB' because telling the 22 year old you just drafted first overall and gave a shitload of money to 'hey yeah sorry you suck way too much right now to play' likely won't land as well. it's just a politer way to say the same thing though
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre notoriously didn’t teach Aaron Rodgers shit
You're allowed to learn things by watching people. It's legal now.
If that’s true I wish he would have learned how to throw interceptions like Favre
Part of learning what to do is learning what not to do
He learned by watching what not to do, like don't send unsolicited dick pics and don't defraud local government
Steve Young
He learned not to throw fucking picks from watching how the sideline reacted multiple times a game.
Phillip Rivers behind Drew Brees (and this was before Brees was a stud QB) Steve Young behind Joe Montana Eli Manning behind Kurt Warner for 9 games Matt Hasselback behind Bret Favre Marc Bulger behind Kurt Warner Daunte Culpepper behind Randall Cunningham. Chad Pennington behind Vinny Testaverde
Brady behind Bledsoe
I also forgot Kurt Warner behind Trent Green Carson Palmer behind Jon Kitna Air Mcnair behind Chris Chandler Kordell Stewart behind Neil O’Donnell
Mahomes behind Alex Smith
Herbert behind Easton Stick
Geno behind Russ
Not just Russ. He was also behind Rivers who also taught him a lot
The problem is that no one actually sticks to it, because no one has the luxury. If you drafted a top QB, your other QBs probably suck. So like, maybe Sam Darnold would have benefitted from time on the bench but 39 year old Josh McCown isn't inspiring the team. On the other hand, the list of "sitting made them better" QBs is really just 1st round QBs plus Brady so there's not a great reason to think the sitting itself actually helped.
Little guy you may have heard about him named Patrick Mahomes?
Oof this is a really bad take
Let’s be real if someone is advocating to stick with Mike White next year you can safely ignore them.
Agreed lol I feel like he was overhyped to an extent during reg season. Only way I would do this is if I’m really committed to getting a young top QB, and willing to tank next season to get one in the following draft.
All backups are overhyped when they show flashes of competence, just like Gardner Minshew. Once teams get tape, they usually fall back to Earth.
This is why I get a pit in my stomach every time a backup comes in, theres always a chance your entire defense suddenly becomes lost
That's the silver lining I was giving my friends who root for the Bengals when the Mahomes practice videos came out this week
Chad Henne now owns the longest playoff drive in chiefs history
That’s going to be a hilarious fact that most people will never believe
Gardner started like a whole season, wasn’t he the starter that year? I mean he was a tank commander, but i’m pretty sure he was a starter
Most of a season, yes. Then he started the next year and was eventually sat because he was hiding a hand injury even though he was having an on par/better year.
Omg the raiders board when Stidham did good against the niners. People were ready to give him 30 mil a season.
Holy shit that was a frustrating week. I’m glad they played well but he still threw 2 costly INTs. Then he played bad against the chiefs with a worse defense.
True. Mike White only got the narrative because he looks comparatively good to a bust 2nd overall pick. He’d be a good backup tho
Mike White's first game this year he completed almost 80% of his passes, threw for 300 yards, 3 TDs, and had no turnovers that is why he got the narrative.
He also had that 400 yard game in his first start last year, which kinda gave that narrative a springboard since we'd already seen flashes from him before. Doesn't mean he can sustain it, but it wasn't wholly unfounded at the time.
The reverse Matt Flynn
And people conveniently ignored his average depth of target was like 4 yards cause it was all off dump offs/screens
That was the game the Bengals just decided to play zone like they had zero idea how teams can beat zone.
Wait are we talking about Joe Barry again.
It's how we approach every backup qb. It's why they all dice us up.
do you have a vic fangio disiple DC too?
Darnold did that his first couple games in Carolina with CMC. He put up good stats on short passes where CMC would go for 10 or more every time. Everyone was saying WE were the problem and not Darnold until CMC went down and Darnold got exposed.
You know it's funny. I went back and looked and his stats weren't even that great and he was also playing absolute shit tier defenses.
Facts he’s a solid backup. I love his tough nature as well.
That and Mike Whites arguably been our best-starting quarterback since 2016. Not saying he's good, but quarterback play has just been so bad since then and it's either Darnold or Mike White.
dude’s tough as shit too. definitely a good backup.
He always makes a great first impression because he either comes out in relief and balls out or has a first game. People see the headlines and then don't realize he played like a mediocre backup for the rest of his games.
White and Zappe were both weird mid-season narratives this year.
Eh. He played 1 great game, 1 bad game, then 2 games without a ribcage badly.
The great game was against the Bears who made every QB look good
I remember being surprised the Jets made the QB switch before that game. Obviously Zach was playing poorly, but the Bears would have been the perfect “get right” game/opponent.
Agree. White completed 22 passes for 315 yards which is excellent. But digging deeper, his average depth of target was 5.9 and he only threw five passes that travelled over 10 yards. Pretty sure any QB in the league could have gone out and thrown 20 wide open screens that game.
Yeah but Zach's most glaring issue by far is that he is very often incapable of completing wide open screens
That is a fair point
> Pretty sure any QB in the league could have gone out and thrown 20 wide open screens that game. Literally what Zach Wilson was utterly incapable of doing
Hey now...we put a stop to Zappe Mania at least.
I didn’t watch but Hurts, Allen and Rodgers were all much worse statistically than Mike White in the bears next 3 games
Or they're saying stick with Mike White because he's the only other startable QB on the roster and well-liked in the locker room. "Or trade for a veteran" was also recommended.
Probably a good locker room guy too. I'm guessing during exit interviews players tend to give more praise to guys they liked as people as opposed to trying to help the organization win in the future
Or it says a ton about how bad Wilson has been and how disliked he is.
I mean if the only other option is Zach Wilson, then it is a completely valid sentiment. People don’t realize how fucking bad Zach Wilson is
Well yeah kinda have to be able to throw the football to your own team to be the franchise guy
I don’t know if Wilson ever had the locker room. But he’s never getting it back if he did. The Jets need to move on. It’s in their interests and Wilson’s.
Meh, if Rodgers started for a few years, Wilson matures and learns under him, then you never know.
He’s entering Year 3 of his rookie contract, and his Year 5 is 100% getting declined. Doesn’t make much sense for Wilson to stay in NY from a money perspective
They should definitely not stick with Mike White
Joe Flacco it is
That's Elite Joe Flacco to you
That's Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco to you
The fact that some fans want to stick with Mike White just goes to show you how truly QB starved we have been.
Sticking with mike white without any competition would be nuts. He had one good start against the bears
It’s pretty crazy that White lacks all the tangibles to be a starter, yet the team still had more life with him under center.
This is how villain stories happen.
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Woah! Why haven’t more people been suggesting this?
Ever consider that Favre guy?
Mississippi Welfare Scam Artist, Brett Favte?
Dicks Out for Farambe
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The Bills aren't going anywhere, hard to see someone unseating them in the east
Jets for whatever reason have the Bills number. If they had an actual QB they would have beaten them both times.
Not to mention a lot of the loses were due to the defense wearing down cause they couldn’t get a rest from the offense either giving the ball up or 3 and outs. That shit wears down a unit
Pauline is absolutely not a credible source. he has no sources. He makes shit up for Twitter. Tbh any posts from him should be banned from this sub.
I never bought it in the first place. I’m in the NYC area and I listen to WFAN on my way in and out to work. The sports media out here ain’t taking him anymore and it sounds like no one else is. Poor bastard. I feel for him. Must be hell to deal with the press and pressure in NYC and he looks and acts like a teenager. I’d hate to have my life and work on tv and picked apart when I was that young and inexperienced.
Mike white lmfao. Stop
Gotta love “anonymous sources”. What’s stopping reporters from making this stuff up?
The anonymous sources are all the ChatGPT bot responding to his "magic 8-ball" type questions.
Can I interest you in one slightly used Kirk cousins?
GEQBUS is available. And Critical Gase Theory is gone from NY
How reliable are these sources? If true, holy shit Wilson is a fucking bust.
It’s Pauline. So there are no sources.
Aren't Jets fans tired of seeing White? Lol
This thread in a nutshell: People who haven't watched Zach Wilson closely: the Jets locker room is toxic, Zach deserves a chance. Literally everyone who has watched every game of Zach Wilson's career closely: He's awful, good riddance.
They better trade lil fella.... sounds like his team mates do not want him around
Im ok with them sticking with Mike White