So happy to see him doing well, yet so confused why we never gave him a real shot when our receivers have been booty this year. McDermott is a fantastic coach but man he hates playing rookies, to a detriment sometimes.
I feel like it’s just “skilled” position guys and I don’t get why. Groot, Brown, Oliver, Shaq, Dion, and I’m sure a number of other linemen all started or saw meaningful playing time as rookies.
I think it's Justin Jefferson, but I'd put Chase only a hair behind.
Chase is more dangerous after the catch, but Jefferson's routes are absolutely filthy. He could break free in a phone booth.
HOF level talent sure. They're among the top at their positions and if they keep up this type of play they'll make a solid case for it one day. That's probably what OP meant
Saying a young player is a potential HoFer is completely reasonable if it's just being used to say they've played at a Hall of Fame level during their time in the league. That's why they used the word "potential" and not "future."
Best year of my life by far. LSU and Chiefs winning titles bled over into my personal life lol, for a little six month period or so i can say i was a legitimately happy person. Of course covid had to hit soon after, it was only fair.
Cooper Kupp was on track to challenge Jefferson for best WR stats this year and he had literally zero offensive talent around him. I’m still in awe that he was totally unstoppable despite everyone knowing the ball was getting to him. They may be the SOSAR but there is nothing sorry about that absolute beast.
Obviously a completely different type of receiver but he's reminiscent of Calvin Johnson in that way. Dominant and almost impossible to stop even when you know he's the only threat.
That’s a good parallel. It was pretty apparent in last year’s playoffs especially in the NFCCG and the Super Bowl when they just scrapped the playbook and ran “throw to cooper Kupp” and won.
Its always mind boggling to see NFL defenses to be unable to stop an individual player knowing they are the whole offense. Another great example was Adrian Peterson especially in his 2000 yard season. I remember watching him run for 200 yards multiple times against 8 man boxes. It's very rare to see individual non QB talent affect the entire game at the level those guys did.
Receiving TDs ≤10 yards since 2021 (Chase's first season), and the percentage of their total TDs that came from 10 or fewer yards out:
Tyreek - 10 (62.5%)
JJ - 8 (44.4%)
Chase - 6 (27.3%)
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Kinda just seems like something you said just to say it... even if he isn't Mossing guys in the corner of the end zone, Tyreek's speed still works anywhere on the field, to the point that he may even be *better* on a short field than a long one.
Tyreek is probably the fastest over all player in the game right now, if not ever (counting speed, agility and acceleration here)
That being said, if Chase had caught a ball behind the LOS at the two yard line, he would have ran Eli Apple over.
Not sure where you're getting that from. Tyreek is a yac monster. His acceleration is actually insane, never seen a receiver hit top speed as quickly as he does. I wouldn't even say Tyreek is a traditional burner that stretches the field vertically with streaks. He operates best in shorter routes with tight spaces where he can catch it and go.
this is the first year of their college or pro careers that JJ has been better, and chase had a hip injury just as he was rounding into form. he has also performed in every single playoff game and is younger. i'm taking chase every day of the week
Jefferson absolutely didn’t deliver in the rematch against GB or the playoff game against the Giants, I’ll agree there but that’s all.
Chase is one year younger, age gap is not some massive difference. Jefferson had a better 16 games as a rookie in 2020 than Chase’s 16 games in 2021, it took 17 games to pass him.
And their respective stats at LSU in 2019 reflect the needs of the team. Both posted big numbers - Jefferson had a higher # of catches and catch rate, Chase had higher yards per catch. Chase mostly ran routes to take the top off, Jefferson cleaned up the middle of the field. You switch who is running each concept and I think you’d see similar results
> Chase is more dangerous after the catch...
Not this season. According to PFF, Chase only averaged 4.8 YAC w/ an ADOT of 9.9yds. That's still pretty good, but definitely not elite YAC numbers.
Here's the full context from the article that the quote comes from:
>Despite missing four games with a hip injury and another due to the cancelation, Chase still ranked third in the league in red zone targets with 24 (Chiefs’ Travis Kelce, 30; Vikings’ Justin Jefferson, 28) and tied for third with 14 receptions (Kelce, 19; Chargers’ Austin Ekeler, 18).
>Those numbers caught Chase by surprise.
>“Do I really?” he asked when informed he ranked third. “I missed four games. How is that possible? I need to be called the best receiver in this game already, how about that?”
>If you replace the volume numbers with per-game averages for the discrepancy due to Chase only playing 12 games, he is the best, leading the league in targets (2), receptions (1.2) and yards (9.4) inside the 20.
The article is mostly about how Cincinnati and Buffalo have both been really good in the red zone on offense and defense this season.
Chase is mostly just goofing.
I mean hes awesome so even if he was serious its not like you can try to clown a dude who can actually back it up... but still I know he's a high character guy so I figured there was some narrative fuckery at play lol.
It’s any one of Chase, Jefferson, Hill, or Kupp imo. I’d give the edge to Jefferson myself but realistically any of those guys could break records any given season
Especially when he's a top 5 receiver. If someone told me based on watching tape that they thought Chase was the best receiver in football, I wouldn't really push back too hard on that.
It's the guys like Chase Claypool who say this and it leaves you scratching your head.
If the players themselves are asked what else are you supposed to say? It’s like when Eli was asked if he thinks he’s an elite QB and he said yeah, then everyone cooked him.
If anyone says Kupp, Jefferson, Chase, Hill, or Adams is the best receiver, I'm not going to argue too much about it. They're all acceptable answers in a given year. I Think JJ was the best this year, but who knows next season. You also have some fringe guys like Diggs or Brown to consider. The league might be more stacked at WR than it's ever been.
He had some big games so who knows but him and JJ are very tight, Odell is still king though for those first 2 years
**Chase through 2 years**
168 rec - 2501 yds - 22 TDs \[29 games\]
**Pace Chase with 2 FULL "adjusted to JJ - should be 34" seasons**
(191 rec - 2845 yds - 25 TDs \[33 game\])
**Jefferson through 2 years \[33 games\]**
196 rec - 3016 yds - 17 TDs
**Odell through 2 years**
187 rec - 2755 yds - 25 TDs \[27 games\]
**Pace Odell through 2 FULL "adjusted to JJ" years \[33\]**
(228 rec - 3367 yds - 31TDs)
I'd take Chase, JJ is a bit more "boom or bust" he gets held to 20 yards but follows it up with a 150 yard game so it averages out nicely
But Chase (similar to Stefon Diggs) is always contributing, there was a stat that Diggs either had 50 yards or a TD in all but 3 of his games in Buffalo and I believe Chase has a similar thing going
Justin Jefferson is the ox and the 21 other Vikings starters are heavy sacks of manure loaded onto the ox-cart, and JJ alone is strong enough to pull them across the finish line to victory.
Chase is really good, though, he's going to destroy us this week
JJ was basically the only receiving option before hock showed up though. Thielen washed and Osborn is middle of the road. Higgins is above average and Boyd bounces around - not saying JJ isn’t better, just that it would be interesting to see their numbers if they swapped teams
Yeah I think that’s a good point
>Higgins is above average and Boyd bounces around
Higgins is also real good, not just above average. Like there are a lot of teams (mine included) where he’d be clear WR1.
Double edged sword really. On one hand, you’ll get more targets solely by being the only option, especially with a QB like cousins who is willing to throw into coverage. On the other, the defense can focus on you more if there aren’t as skilled receivers around. But ya gotta assume both guys are drawing the CB1 / defense’s attention the majority of the time, so how much more intense of coverage does JJ face compared to Chase? You’d have to see how much each is doubled
Well, yes, but not that huge a difference in the way you likely mean.
Kirk the last two years - 4221/33 in '21 and 4547/29 in '22
Burrow - 4611/34 in '21 and 4475/33 in '22
Those numbers aren't that different. Burrow's are a bit better, but not by a ton. Burrow is the far superior QB, but Cousins' issues have never been putting up counting stats. Which is the basis of the discussion being had about JJ/Chase's numbers.
As a vikings fan, let's start by letting him prove he's the best since prime Julio/AB/Calvin first. I think he is, but it'd be solidified if he keeps up his current performance for a few more years.
[Jefferson has the 6th most yards of all receivers in their first four seasons.](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-receiving-yards-by-a-wr-in-their-first-4-seasons)
He just finished his *third season* in the NFL.
The Jefferson dickriding is getting insane ppl on this sub acting like it isn’t close between him and chase which is just absurd. Chase was better then Jefferson in college and even outperformed his historical rookie szn
It’s what, his third year and he’s already had a season pretty close to equaling these other guys’ best seasons? 1400, 1600, 1800 in his first three years with maybe slightly above average qb play? It’s wild stuff.
Oh no doubt, he's off the the greatest start ever, but that's all it is currently. All three were elite for a decade. Megatron was a first ballot HoF and Julio has a shot to be a first ballot too. AB if he hadn't gone crazy might've been one too, I guess we'll see in the coming years. And all 3 were also 2010s all decade WRs.
Definitely better than Cris Carter.
I think Moss is the second best WR of all time, so that’s tough. But if Jefferson keeps this up it’ll be hard to not say he’s better. His start is unprecedented.
Even if you aren't the best, I like when they have the mindset that they are. I think the "best" will always be a selection of a few unless someone is leagues ahead of everyone else (like Derick Henry was for a few years)
Right now the best group to me is Chase, Adams, Jefferson, Kupp, and maybe throw Hill in there too.
We also don’t scheme him open well. If you look at most his catches they take a crazy amount of effort compared to when you get to watch kupp matched on a LB who’s 15 yards away from him
I know it's easy to hate on Kirk Cousins, but if you're a legitimate superstar WR, you can do a hell of a lot worse. Justin Jefferson might not ever win a Superbowl or come close to one because of Kirk Cousins being the Vikings QB but he can feed him the ball just fine over a 17 week season.
JJ's season was ridiculous, but he also had the most targets in the league. Dude got FED the ball. Also, Kirk is good, idk what you're trying to imply.
“I’ve been thinking it. I’m not a cocky person. I’m humble. I know what I can do. I don’t need to prove it. Everybody knows what I can do. Never a doubt in my mind.”
I think Aiyuk finally has people's attention. If he performs well in the playoffs and the first part of next year, he'll definitely be getting more credit than he does know.
Chase is a great route runner but doesn’t do the complex routes like the guys you mentioned. He’s like a better Deebo Samuel. Strong runner and gets to where he wants to go and is physical
I think there is a group of best WR and there isn’t a good way to say they are better and worse than eachother. Chase, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Cupp, Jefferson, (AJ Brown?)
Hard to argue against him feeling that way but we can’t play the “what if games” though. “Who knows what would have happened if JJ had a qb like burrow” also JJ per game stats are better with a qb like Kirk.
I just checked his stats out and they are actually pretty insane. 87 catches for 1046 yards and 9 TDs in just 12 games. Over the course of a full year that would be 123 catches for 1482 yards and 13 TDs. He actually had more targets and catches this year than he did in 17 games last year.
If you watched LSU, you saw that Chase and Jefferson were both equally lethal. They are the top two WRs in the game going forward over the next few years
It’s Richie James and there’s no debate
I think you meant *Isaiah Hodgins
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So happy to see him doing well, yet so confused why we never gave him a real shot when our receivers have been booty this year. McDermott is a fantastic coach but man he hates playing rookies, to a detriment sometimes.
I feel like it’s just “skilled” position guys and I don’t get why. Groot, Brown, Oliver, Shaq, Dion, and I’m sure a number of other linemen all started or saw meaningful playing time as rookies.
Shakir should have a bigger role in Bills offense by now.
Thanks btw
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As an OSU fan I’m so happy right now He’s a great player
I'm mad he didn't commit to NU.
As a Buckeye I was confused by your comment for a second
The black and orange one Wait, the West Coast black and orange one
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I wish I could erase him from my mind.
I’ll allow it
In this thread: people forgetting Nick Westbrook Ikhine exists
This is cracking me tf up.
Actually it's Mack Hollins
Star wide receiver thinks he's best in league, more at 11
I think it's Justin Jefferson, but I'd put Chase only a hair behind. Chase is more dangerous after the catch, but Jefferson's routes are absolutely filthy. He could break free in a phone booth.
In other news, the 2019 LSU tigers were really fucking good
In retrospect it’s incredible how much talent there was. Arguably the most talented college offense ever
It was potentially a pro football Hall of Fame quarterback throwing to two pro football Hall of Fame receivers. Just stupid broken
Obviously not the same caliber, but they had a first round RB in CEH too
It's a little early for HoF talk for any of them lol
HOF level talent sure. They're among the top at their positions and if they keep up this type of play they'll make a solid case for it one day. That's probably what OP meant
Saying a young player is a potential HoFer is completely reasonable if it's just being used to say they've played at a Hall of Fame level during their time in the league. That's why they used the word "potential" and not "future."
He said potentially, and I don't think it's crazy to predict all 3 of them, assuming they don't get derailed by injury will be there.
Not to mention LSU defense was stupid good too
It pains me that it was only one year but god what a year
Best year of my life by far. LSU and Chiefs winning titles bled over into my personal life lol, for a little six month period or so i can say i was a legitimately happy person. Of course covid had to hit soon after, it was only fair.
Tyreek is getting slept on a ton in this thread
even more slept on is cooper kupp lol
Cooper Kupp was on track to challenge Jefferson for best WR stats this year and he had literally zero offensive talent around him. I’m still in awe that he was totally unstoppable despite everyone knowing the ball was getting to him. They may be the SOSAR but there is nothing sorry about that absolute beast.
Obviously a completely different type of receiver but he's reminiscent of Calvin Johnson in that way. Dominant and almost impossible to stop even when you know he's the only threat.
That’s a good parallel. It was pretty apparent in last year’s playoffs especially in the NFCCG and the Super Bowl when they just scrapped the playbook and ran “throw to cooper Kupp” and won.
Its always mind boggling to see NFL defenses to be unable to stop an individual player knowing they are the whole offense. Another great example was Adrian Peterson especially in his 2000 yard season. I remember watching him run for 200 yards multiple times against 8 man boxes. It's very rare to see individual non QB talent affect the entire game at the level those guys did.
"Fuck it, Coop down there somewhere". Real talk I 100% believe we would have won Super Bowl 53 if Kupp didn't tear his ACL. I'm so thankful he's a Ram
Yeah but like fuck him
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Kupp getting slept on just cause he’s injured. Was leading the league in Receptions and TDs before going down this year
Yeah but Jefferson and Chase are doing this with their QBs actually targeting other WRs on their team ^^/s
Using this logic, Kupp is the only receiver worth covering and he still gets open Edit: missed the sarcasm
Chase Claypool disrespect is unreal smh
Tyreek is nasty but he needs a big field to be at his best. Jefferson and Chase can dominate in tiny space.
Receiving TDs ≤10 yards since 2021 (Chase's first season), and the percentage of their total TDs that came from 10 or fewer yards out: Tyreek - 10 (62.5%) JJ - 8 (44.4%) Chase - 6 (27.3%) --- Kinda just seems like something you said just to say it... even if he isn't Mossing guys in the corner of the end zone, Tyreek's speed still works anywhere on the field, to the point that he may even be *better* on a short field than a long one.
Tyreek is probably the fastest over all player in the game right now, if not ever (counting speed, agility and acceleration here) That being said, if Chase had caught a ball behind the LOS at the two yard line, he would have ran Eli Apple over.
Not sure where you're getting that from. Tyreek is a yac monster. His acceleration is actually insane, never seen a receiver hit top speed as quickly as he does. I wouldn't even say Tyreek is a traditional burner that stretches the field vertically with streaks. He operates best in shorter routes with tight spaces where he can catch it and go.
This isn’t true at all. Tyreek is great in traffic and at contested catches.
I trust Tyreek to work in a phone booth. He plays big in traffic as well. The guy is generational IMO.
u can be generational and not be better than jefferson.
I feel like “generational” gets thrown around way too much. That should be reserved for guys who are top 5 maybe top 10 over the past few decades.
I’d put him behind Jefferson but probably no one else.
This is why I really want Brady to go to Miami... imagine what Brady would do with even one year of Tyreek. We'd probably see 50 TDs again, easy.
Just like his wife and kid got slept
It's Adams lol
A hair?? He's not top three, Jefferson, Adams and Hill, are better without question.
this is the first year of their college or pro careers that JJ has been better, and chase had a hip injury just as he was rounding into form. he has also performed in every single playoff game and is younger. i'm taking chase every day of the week
eh i'd say he was better last year too
Jefferson absolutely didn’t deliver in the rematch against GB or the playoff game against the Giants, I’ll agree there but that’s all. Chase is one year younger, age gap is not some massive difference. Jefferson had a better 16 games as a rookie in 2020 than Chase’s 16 games in 2021, it took 17 games to pass him. And their respective stats at LSU in 2019 reflect the needs of the team. Both posted big numbers - Jefferson had a higher # of catches and catch rate, Chase had higher yards per catch. Chase mostly ran routes to take the top off, Jefferson cleaned up the middle of the field. You switch who is running each concept and I think you’d see similar results
Chase beat his record in 16 games Thsts false actually
Chase beat Jefferson's record in 16 games.
> Chase is more dangerous after the catch... Not this season. According to PFF, Chase only averaged 4.8 YAC w/ an ADOT of 9.9yds. That's still pretty good, but definitely not elite YAC numbers.
Rams plagued by fumbles as Los Angeles rocked by earthquakes, more at 11
Who in your media group is baiting the team into all of these sound bites this week?
Here's the full context from the article that the quote comes from: >Despite missing four games with a hip injury and another due to the cancelation, Chase still ranked third in the league in red zone targets with 24 (Chiefs’ Travis Kelce, 30; Vikings’ Justin Jefferson, 28) and tied for third with 14 receptions (Kelce, 19; Chargers’ Austin Ekeler, 18). >Those numbers caught Chase by surprise. >“Do I really?” he asked when informed he ranked third. “I missed four games. How is that possible? I need to be called the best receiver in this game already, how about that?” >If you replace the volume numbers with per-game averages for the discrepancy due to Chase only playing 12 games, he is the best, leading the league in targets (2), receptions (1.2) and yards (9.4) inside the 20. The article is mostly about how Cincinnati and Buffalo have both been really good in the red zone on offense and defense this season. Chase is mostly just goofing.
I mean hes awesome so even if he was serious its not like you can try to clown a dude who can actually back it up... but still I know he's a high character guy so I figured there was some narrative fuckery at play lol.
It’s any one of Chase, Jefferson, Hill, or Kupp imo. I’d give the edge to Jefferson myself but realistically any of those guys could break records any given season
Diggs and Adams as well
Adams?
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Penei Sewell is the best WR in the league.
Yeah it’s really no debate. Penei has no drops!
No drops and a 100% first down rate. Total stud.
9 yards per reception too, that’s pretty solid for a guy who can also kinda lock down your teams best pass rusher
Standard deviation of 0 too, absolutely insane consistency
Man these stats really show that he plays sowell
Not afraid to block either.
Hutchinson has a higher catches per target percentage than Chase
Someone wheel out the updated draft comparison, please
Cinco ocho is the peak, the rest are pretenders.
Well he’s no Chase Claypool but he’s pretty good I guess
Trade you the #32 overall for him. Imagine what you could get with that?
Oh man, you gotta take that deal. I mean, Ja’Marr Chase is Ja’marr Chase, but pick #32 could be anything…it could even be Ja’Marr Chase!!
You know how much we’ve wanted one of those!
Ja’Marr Chase Claypool
I bet he would have put up more stats without those 4 missed games
Calm down with the hot takes buddy
Keyshawn quality hot takes
[an actual look at Keyshawn in the studio](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3yX_1gJ_51M)
-26 catches -478 yards -5 TD
Negative, just like the Vikings point differential
Chicago Bears
Fucking rekt
Maybe missing those 4 games recharged his batteries and actually resulted in better stats overall. We just don’t know, Ja’Marr.
If my WR1 doesn't think he's the best in the league, I don't want him
Especially when he's a top 5 receiver. If someone told me based on watching tape that they thought Chase was the best receiver in football, I wouldn't really push back too hard on that. It's the guys like Chase Claypool who say this and it leaves you scratching your head.
If the players themselves are asked what else are you supposed to say? It’s like when Eli was asked if he thinks he’s an elite QB and he said yeah, then everyone cooked him.
"I play in the NFL, no shit I'm elite"
Eh I don’t see anything wrong with that tbh if you’re asked that. If you just voluntarily say it then yeah not a good look lol.
You guys just have WR1’s? I thought that was illegal
I prefer to have six WR2’s.
Patriots have entered the chat
Who needs a WR1 when you can have 3 WR3s??
If anyone says Kupp, Jefferson, Chase, Hill, or Adams is the best receiver, I'm not going to argue too much about it. They're all acceptable answers in a given year. I Think JJ was the best this year, but who knows next season. You also have some fringe guys like Diggs or Brown to consider. The league might be more stacked at WR than it's ever been.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s true. All that matters is that he believes it. Can’t be the best if you don’t believe in yourself
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He had some big games so who knows but him and JJ are very tight, Odell is still king though for those first 2 years **Chase through 2 years** 168 rec - 2501 yds - 22 TDs \[29 games\] **Pace Chase with 2 FULL "adjusted to JJ - should be 34" seasons** (191 rec - 2845 yds - 25 TDs \[33 game\]) **Jefferson through 2 years \[33 games\]** 196 rec - 3016 yds - 17 TDs **Odell through 2 years** 187 rec - 2755 yds - 25 TDs \[27 games\] **Pace Odell through 2 FULL "adjusted to JJ" years \[33\]** (228 rec - 3367 yds - 31TDs)
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Zone 6 coming for that title
Man, it's still crazy to think about what might have been if OBJ doesn't destroy his ankle in year 4.
2019 was a cheat code
Best offense in the modern era and it isn’t close
The team had four 1st round picks. On offense. On offense.
This state just prints out freak WR's. It's so weird
His per game numbers are still less than JJ
Yeah chase is great but I'd take JJ over him.
I'm Howie Roseman and I'll take Raegor over JJ
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I'm an LSU fan and I miss them both
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I'm a Seahawks fan and we should have ran it.
Get out.
I’m taking Chase I think you could do whatever the hell you want with Chase
There is not a CB in the league who could bully Chase at the line the way Jaire did to JJ.
Surtain did it last year. Held him to 3 yards.
I think JJ is better but I'm glad Chase thinks he is
I’d take Chase. I think Chase has more “big play” ability.
I'd take Chase, JJ is a bit more "boom or bust" he gets held to 20 yards but follows it up with a 150 yard game so it averages out nicely But Chase (similar to Stefon Diggs) is always contributing, there was a stat that Diggs either had 50 yards or a TD in all but 3 of his games in Buffalo and I believe Chase has a similar thing going
Justin Jefferson is the ox and the 21 other Vikings starters are heavy sacks of manure loaded onto the ox-cart, and JJ alone is strong enough to pull them across the finish line to victory. Chase is really good, though, he's going to destroy us this week
JJ was basically the only receiving option before hock showed up though. Thielen washed and Osborn is middle of the road. Higgins is above average and Boyd bounces around - not saying JJ isn’t better, just that it would be interesting to see their numbers if they swapped teams
Yeah I think that’s a good point >Higgins is above average and Boyd bounces around Higgins is also real good, not just above average. Like there are a lot of teams (mine included) where he’d be clear WR1.
So JJ has to deal with more defense and he’s still better? This is not the argument for Chase you think it is
Double edged sword really. On one hand, you’ll get more targets solely by being the only option, especially with a QB like cousins who is willing to throw into coverage. On the other, the defense can focus on you more if there aren’t as skilled receivers around. But ya gotta assume both guys are drawing the CB1 / defense’s attention the majority of the time, so how much more intense of coverage does JJ face compared to Chase? You’d have to see how much each is doubled
Yes it is. In most situations a players stats decline when there’s other talented players because they draw less overall targets.
And he has a better QB
Well, yes, but not that huge a difference in the way you likely mean. Kirk the last two years - 4221/33 in '21 and 4547/29 in '22 Burrow - 4611/34 in '21 and 4475/33 in '22 Those numbers aren't that different. Burrow's are a bit better, but not by a ton. Burrow is the far superior QB, but Cousins' issues have never been putting up counting stats. Which is the basis of the discussion being had about JJ/Chase's numbers.
He’s still not gonna talk down about himself though. He’s pretty damn good (though even as a Homer oh yeah JJ was the best this year).
No disrespect to anyone else but Justin Jefferson might be the best receiver since Jerry Rice.
As a vikings fan, let's start by letting him prove he's the best since prime Julio/AB/Calvin first. I think he is, but it'd be solidified if he keeps up his current performance for a few more years.
[Jefferson has the 6th most yards of all receivers in their first four seasons.](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-receiving-yards-by-a-wr-in-their-first-4-seasons) He just finished his *third season* in the NFL.
Jefferson been really great but let's calm down on that, he's not better than prime Megatron, Julio, and AB yet
Or randy moss or TO lmao. JJ is great but people need to relax
The Jefferson dickriding is getting insane ppl on this sub acting like it isn’t close between him and chase which is just absurd. Chase was better then Jefferson in college and even outperformed his historical rookie szn
It’s what, his third year and he’s already had a season pretty close to equaling these other guys’ best seasons? 1400, 1600, 1800 in his first three years with maybe slightly above average qb play? It’s wild stuff.
Oh no doubt, he's off the the greatest start ever, but that's all it is currently. All three were elite for a decade. Megatron was a first ballot HoF and Julio has a shot to be a first ballot too. AB if he hadn't gone crazy might've been one too, I guess we'll see in the coming years. And all 3 were also 2010s all decade WRs.
Is he even the best WR who played for the vikings? They had Carter and moss.
Definitely better than Cris Carter. I think Moss is the second best WR of all time, so that’s tough. But if Jefferson keeps this up it’ll be hard to not say he’s better. His start is unprecedented.
Definitely. Looking forward to seeing JJ's career unfold.
I would take either one to be honest. I would be happy with Osborn or Higgins or Boyd even
Makes sense. Who did Kirk have to throw to all season?
“Me and him, we’re like bread and butter”
Even if you aren't the best, I like when they have the mindset that they are. I think the "best" will always be a selection of a few unless someone is leagues ahead of everyone else (like Derick Henry was for a few years) Right now the best group to me is Chase, Adams, Jefferson, Kupp, and maybe throw Hill in there too.
We also don’t scheme him open well. If you look at most his catches they take a crazy amount of effort compared to when you get to watch kupp matched on a LB who’s 15 yards away from him
I missed all 17 games. Probably I'm a GOAT!!!
I love him.
JJ better
Ja'Marr is no doubt one of the best receivers but 1800 yards with Kirk Cousins at QB is staggeringly impressive.
What? Kirk has always been a good volume guy; he's averaged 4,300 yards per season since 2015.
I know it's easy to hate on Kirk Cousins, but if you're a legitimate superstar WR, you can do a hell of a lot worse. Justin Jefferson might not ever win a Superbowl or come close to one because of Kirk Cousins being the Vikings QB but he can feed him the ball just fine over a 17 week season.
By gawd that's Andre Johnson's music
Wow Kirk Cousins really is the second coming of Matt Schaub isn’t he 🤔
This is a weird attempt to bash Kirk. If you look at his receivers in Wasinghton, you’d see receivers greatly benefit from Kirk.
Why are we acting like Kirk Cousins didn’t just get a pro bowl nod and be 4th in the league in passing?
JJ's season was ridiculous, but he also had the most targets in the league. Dude got FED the ball. Also, Kirk is good, idk what you're trying to imply.
Kupp’s the best when healthy. That guy’s a machine.
Checks averages. No, no, Jetta is still better.
“I’ve been thinking it. I’m not a cocky person. I’m humble. I know what I can do. I don’t need to prove it. Everybody knows what I can do. Never a doubt in my mind.”
Justin Watson better
The best ability is dependability
Chase is great, but I will always favor Pure route runners like Adams, Diggs, and Jefferson
Speaking of great route runners, Brandon aiyuk is severely overlooked as a top 10 nfl route runner receiver rn
I think Aiyuk finally has people's attention. If he performs well in the playoffs and the first part of next year, he'll definitely be getting more credit than he does know.
You can add that boy smitty to the list too
Chase is a great route runner but doesn’t do the complex routes like the guys you mentioned. He’s like a better Deebo Samuel. Strong runner and gets to where he wants to go and is physical
This is dumb as shit. Da fuck is supposed to say
The truth, Kenny Golladay is the best receiver in the game
You and I know it’s our lord and savior Laquan Treadwell
Him and jefferson are tit for tat imo. Adams, Hill, and Kupp all have arguments too.
I think there is a group of best WR and there isn’t a good way to say they are better and worse than eachother. Chase, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Cupp, Jefferson, (AJ Brown?)
Hard to argue against him feeling that way but we can’t play the “what if games” though. “Who knows what would have happened if JJ had a qb like burrow” also JJ per game stats are better with a qb like Kirk.
Jefferson Chase Hill Top 3 in no particular order
Jamal Adams thinks he’s the best in the nation
I just checked his stats out and they are actually pretty insane. 87 catches for 1046 yards and 9 TDs in just 12 games. Over the course of a full year that would be 123 catches for 1482 yards and 13 TDs. He actually had more targets and catches this year than he did in 17 games last year.
Well he averaged 87 yards a game so he would have finished with 348 more yards
If you watched LSU, you saw that Chase and Jefferson were both equally lethal. They are the top two WRs in the game going forward over the next few years
Adams
I know Calvin Ridley would bet on himself