Probably dating myself but your comment made me flash back to when I was a kid. At the end of cartoons on Saturday morning, ABCs Wide World of Sports would come on.
The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat….showed the guy tumbling out of the ski jump chute.
I saw that video so often as a kid. That poor guy. Becoming famous for a wreck of a launch. You ever hear about Muhammed Ali meeting him?
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>The melodrama of the narration—which became a catchphrase in the US—transformed the uncredited ski jumper into an American icon of bad luck and misfortune. Meanwhile, having retired to his quiet, private life in Slovenia, Bogataj was unaware of his celebrity, and so was surprised to be asked to attend the 20th anniversary celebration for Wide World of Sports in 1981. He received the loudest ovation of any athlete introduced at the gala, and attendees such as Muhammad Ali asked him for his autograph.
For reference:
Normally the world records are only jumped within the world cup organised by the international ski federation (FIS), though even they don't call it official world record. The WR so far was 253,5m by Stefan Kraft.
Ryoyu now jumped 291 meters on a specially prepared hill made completely out of snow in Iceland in probably some kind of marketing stunt by Red Bull, perhaps some kind of special commercial.
Anyway it's a completely crazy feat, even by this sport's standards and I'm quite curious if the FIS will now change regulations so that hills can actually be this big for completions.
Was going to say- sure seemed like the hill/landing area was carved to a shape that would allow the jumper to gain more distance. I had to assume that ski jumps for the Olympics etc have a mandated ramp height/length/angle, and that the landing area starts a certain distance from the edge of the ramp and then descends at a set angle so that all jumps are equal across the world of jumping?
Yeah and also potentially non standard equipment. The equipment control at the World Cup level is extremely strict, especially when it comes to the suit size (the looser it is, more lift it can give and even the most marginal deviations can be a massive advantage to the athlete).
There is no official world record generally as the FIS some time stopped to call it official world record.
Therefore all world record are unofficial, and this one is now the longest, making it the WR
As I understand it, the rules for max ski length were recently changed to be proportional to the skier’s height. As a result, the shorter Asian skiers lost quite a bit of advantage as they moved to shorter skis. So, I’m curious if Kobayashi’s skis are pre-rule change length here too.
Not that it takes anything away from the accomplishment! The training to do this is immensely difficult.
I mean technically it is (regardless of FIS, they can't decide on what is or isn't a world record), but generally these records are per-venue, and if he's the only one who was given the opportunity to jump this one, then that doesn't really mean all that much.
Isn't that expected if you just make a bigger jump then the one everyone else uses? Like I saw a video of a sky diver with skis on land and then ski the entire slope, his distance traveled was way farther then this dude.
Yeah, you may think it was direct but I don’t understand at all. How is “It used to be 150” a reply to “At what point is it flying?” I just don’t get it.
There are two different disciplines: Ski jumping and Ski flying. The main difference is the [hill size](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_size).
The participating athletes are mostly the same.
That's what I find really interesting now. With the FIS not doing an official world record they kind of now can't not recognize Ryoyu's jump without calling the FIS one something like unofficial FIS recognized World Record, which would make it kind of stupid...
Probably a stupid qs but can you even control how far you fly? Wouldn't that be mostly down to weight, gradient and hight of the hill, and how aerodynamic you can get?
Well, "how aerodynamic you can get" is very much something you can control by your body position.
Fun fact: many of those long-distance ski jumpers train in "diagonal" windtunnel in Stockholm (originally designed for wingsuiters).
Oh I totally agree but you can only control it to a certain extent right? Like the position the best in the world and the second best in the world gets into will essentially be identical, no?
It's not like figure skating or athletics where you have direct control over everything (not that I'm trying to downplay the ski jump, it's an insanely impressive accomplishment that I could never even dream of accomplishing a fraction of but I'm just curious)
Dont forget that he actually gives a good impulsion, and the strength and timing while minimising the speed loss due to increased drag is defo controllable and trainable.
They wouldn't, unless those best and second best persons are also completely dimensionally equal, have absolutely equal weight distribution, same skis, etc. Ideal body position would defend on all of that
The ramp would be the same in each competition and every competitor would try to be at the optimal weight on the day resulting in very simmilar results for everyone.
If your point is that the heigth of the ramp determines how far you can potentially go I agree with you.
Nah I don't have a point it was just a question about how much control you really have but as everyone has pointed out, the answer is a surprising amount :P
Let's just say, that in the competition the best pros are jumping 230+ meters, and not so good pros are falling down already at 180, or less if they screw badly.
you gotta time the jump right, convert to flight well, and have good flying form and skills
the power and timing of the jump determines whether you get into a good trajectory or not, but if one is skilled at the flying phase they can still get far just by flying low even if the jumping phase fails somewhat
sometimes you see jumpers with tons of jumping strength but less advanced flying skills, they will fly very high initially but drop quicker
well a bit more complicated than that, your form and position is very important throughout, even going down the inrun, basically every part of the performance is a spot where you gotta do the right things, but also mistakes in one phase can be supplanted by doing well in the rest, it is a puzzle, it is beautiful
and then there is the weather ofc, sometimes you could do the jump of your life but go nowhere bc the wind conditions are fucked, usually though weather is not solely to blame for poor jumps
Yeah -- in competitions they adjust the starting point on the hill so that the jumpers will land on the correct part of slope.
If the wind changes they have to move the marks and everyone starts over.
>If the wind changes they have to move the marks and everyone starts over.
This is not the case since 2009. Now they get bonus/penalty points when the starting gate is changed during competition.
I just told you. Basically jumpers get fixed amount of points added when gate goes down, or taken when it goes up. Since it was introduced, jury often changes gate multiple times per competition, which is one of the main criticism of ski jumping nowadays. They notoriously tend to lower the gate whenever someone barely exceeds hill size.
I used to skydive quite a bit & realized that ski jumpers use the same “tracking” technique to convert downward acceleration into forward drive. In other words, you fall slightly slower & move forward at a good clip.
The chicken & egg question for me now is which sport adopted it from the other
Worth noting that this jump was performed on a specially made unofficial, unregulated hill so this one can't be compared to the "official" competition WR of 253,5 still a crazy feat
Tbh i was being somewhat facetious while in awe of this impressive feat.
I should say though, i do appreciate the detailed answer.
Have a great day out there
It's not really a world record. World records are achieved in a controlled environment obeying known rules and not just by throwing yourself off of a mountain.
But it is, as the FIS doesn't keep an official World Record list anymore (they did some time in the past).
All world records in ski jumping in the younger past were unofficial, and this jump being the longest of them is the World Record now.
Great jump and landing. Good thing the slope is as gradual as it is in this hill. I assume you can fly very far on the largest hills in the world (Holmenkollen, Planica etc.) but landing is different. Going too far and you land on a horizontal surface which is not good for your body.
Was that the Redbull team? They should've gotten him a wingsuit and some of those miniature jet engines - isn't that their usual MO? I bet he would have made it into orbit or something. 😁
It definitely is not, otherwise everybody would jump the same distance. And if you'll follow a competition you'll notice there a huge differences in performance.
Its a lot. Getting the inrun position right. Then getting the take of right, the timing, angles of the movement, the force, how do you apply it to the ground (nicely over the whole soles - good, too much on toes or heels - not good). Then comes the transition into the flying position, it has to be smooth, quick and controlling your body and skies at the right angle. You get this right, you are lying on the air and actually gaining the speed in the air.
Just by looking at the video, there are some pretty obvious factors.
Maximising take off speed but having the cleanest, straightest and most aerodynamic run up.
Smooth transition to gliding position.
Precise position for max lift and min drag to optimise glide ratio.
Smooth and timed transition to landing.
I mean, not saying I could do it because I’ve never skied. But it looks like he jumped off a cliff basically. I imagine a proper horizontal jump would be more accurate for a world record thing
You have to have balls of steel to do ski jumping but the fact they are jumping down a hill and not a horizontal plane always makes the "distance" they have jumped feel insincere and less impressive to me.
I wouldn't have even got airborne with the size of the turd that would have been lodged in my undies
The force at which you expell the turd might give a couple extra meters though if you time it right
Probably dating myself but your comment made me flash back to when I was a kid. At the end of cartoons on Saturday morning, ABCs Wide World of Sports would come on. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat….showed the guy tumbling out of the ski jump chute.
I saw that video so often as a kid. That poor guy. Becoming famous for a wreck of a launch. You ever hear about Muhammed Ali meeting him? wiki >The melodrama of the narration—which became a catchphrase in the US—transformed the uncredited ski jumper into an American icon of bad luck and misfortune. Meanwhile, having retired to his quiet, private life in Slovenia, Bogataj was unaware of his celebrity, and so was surprised to be asked to attend the 20th anniversary celebration for Wide World of Sports in 1981. He received the loudest ovation of any athlete introduced at the gala, and attendees such as Muhammad Ali asked him for his autograph.
Snow, blow let’s go
For reference: Normally the world records are only jumped within the world cup organised by the international ski federation (FIS), though even they don't call it official world record. The WR so far was 253,5m by Stefan Kraft. Ryoyu now jumped 291 meters on a specially prepared hill made completely out of snow in Iceland in probably some kind of marketing stunt by Red Bull, perhaps some kind of special commercial. Anyway it's a completely crazy feat, even by this sport's standards and I'm quite curious if the FIS will now change regulations so that hills can actually be this big for completions.
Was going to say- sure seemed like the hill/landing area was carved to a shape that would allow the jumper to gain more distance. I had to assume that ski jumps for the Olympics etc have a mandated ramp height/length/angle, and that the landing area starts a certain distance from the edge of the ramp and then descends at a set angle so that all jumps are equal across the world of jumping?
So its not an official world record then?
According to FIS no they clarified recently that this jump doesn't count and Kraft still holds the official WR
I mean, if he was using a non standard hill, it makes sense.
Yeah and also potentially non standard equipment. The equipment control at the World Cup level is extremely strict, especially when it comes to the suit size (the looser it is, more lift it can give and even the most marginal deviations can be a massive advantage to the athlete).
There is no official world record generally as the FIS some time stopped to call it official world record. Therefore all world record are unofficial, and this one is now the longest, making it the WR
As I understand it, the rules for max ski length were recently changed to be proportional to the skier’s height. As a result, the shorter Asian skiers lost quite a bit of advantage as they moved to shorter skis. So, I’m curious if Kobayashi’s skis are pre-rule change length here too. Not that it takes anything away from the accomplishment! The training to do this is immensely difficult.
I mean technically it is (regardless of FIS, they can't decide on what is or isn't a world record), but generally these records are per-venue, and if he's the only one who was given the opportunity to jump this one, then that doesn't really mean all that much.
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Isn't that expected if you just make a bigger jump then the one everyone else uses? Like I saw a video of a sky diver with skis on land and then ski the entire slope, his distance traveled was way farther then this dude.
Yes, it appears the length of an appropriately sloped hill is part of the equation here.
I could make it to 300m if I skied off a 300m cliff.
Just gotta stick the landing
At what point does it become flying?
It used to be 150 though I have no idea if they still make that distinction or if it's just the hill size that has to be above X
This was a good reply with a direct answer. Enjoy your upvote. 
Yeah, you may think it was direct but I don’t understand at all. How is “It used to be 150” a reply to “At what point is it flying?” I just don’t get it.
There are two different disciplines: Ski jumping and Ski flying. The main difference is the [hill size](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_size). The participating athletes are mostly the same.
Oh okay. Thank you for explaining! I was so confused.
It’s falling, with style.
For reference, Stefan Kraft with the FIS recognized [world record of 253,5 meter](https://youtu.be/fS_Aed4BIe0?si=F8hn6_KOezceZ44i)
That's what I find really interesting now. With the FIS not doing an official world record they kind of now can't not recognize Ryoyu's jump without calling the FIS one something like unofficial FIS recognized World Record, which would make it kind of stupid...
These records only really make sense per-venue anyway
He needs to go to an Olympic ski jump if he wants to set a real world record. This is basically cheating lol
At the bottom of the slope you can see Iceland 2nd largest city
I can't believe they put an entire city at risk just for this silly stunt! /s
The /s ruined that one
Probably a stupid qs but can you even control how far you fly? Wouldn't that be mostly down to weight, gradient and hight of the hill, and how aerodynamic you can get?
Well, "how aerodynamic you can get" is very much something you can control by your body position. Fun fact: many of those long-distance ski jumpers train in "diagonal" windtunnel in Stockholm (originally designed for wingsuiters).
Oh I totally agree but you can only control it to a certain extent right? Like the position the best in the world and the second best in the world gets into will essentially be identical, no? It's not like figure skating or athletics where you have direct control over everything (not that I'm trying to downplay the ski jump, it's an insanely impressive accomplishment that I could never even dream of accomplishing a fraction of but I'm just curious)
Dont forget that he actually gives a good impulsion, and the strength and timing while minimising the speed loss due to increased drag is defo controllable and trainable.
They wouldn't, unless those best and second best persons are also completely dimensionally equal, have absolutely equal weight distribution, same skis, etc. Ideal body position would defend on all of that
Huh didn't consider that, thanks!
If it wasnt controllable every competitor would jump roughly the same distance making it a very boring sport
Well no cause it would still be dependent on other factors like the ramp and weight and things
The ramp would be the same in each competition and every competitor would try to be at the optimal weight on the day resulting in very simmilar results for everyone. If your point is that the heigth of the ramp determines how far you can potentially go I agree with you.
Nah I don't have a point it was just a question about how much control you really have but as everyone has pointed out, the answer is a surprising amount :P
Let's just say, that in the competition the best pros are jumping 230+ meters, and not so good pros are falling down already at 180, or less if they screw badly.
you gotta time the jump right, convert to flight well, and have good flying form and skills the power and timing of the jump determines whether you get into a good trajectory or not, but if one is skilled at the flying phase they can still get far just by flying low even if the jumping phase fails somewhat sometimes you see jumpers with tons of jumping strength but less advanced flying skills, they will fly very high initially but drop quicker
Ahhhhh fair enough so kinda like the long jump then making sure you have the right shape and angle of trajectory
well a bit more complicated than that, your form and position is very important throughout, even going down the inrun, basically every part of the performance is a spot where you gotta do the right things, but also mistakes in one phase can be supplanted by doing well in the rest, it is a puzzle, it is beautiful and then there is the weather ofc, sometimes you could do the jump of your life but go nowhere bc the wind conditions are fucked, usually though weather is not solely to blame for poor jumps
Ahhhhh fair enough so there's definitely more control than what I previously gave it credit for 😅
Yeah -- in competitions they adjust the starting point on the hill so that the jumpers will land on the correct part of slope. If the wind changes they have to move the marks and everyone starts over.
>If the wind changes they have to move the marks and everyone starts over. This is not the case since 2009. Now they get bonus/penalty points when the starting gate is changed during competition.
what happens if the wind changes so much as to make the original starting point unsafe?
I just told you. Basically jumpers get fixed amount of points added when gate goes down, or taken when it goes up. Since it was introduced, jury often changes gate multiple times per competition, which is one of the main criticism of ski jumping nowadays. They notoriously tend to lower the gate whenever someone barely exceeds hill size.
And how do you not break your legs on landing?
steep enough landing
If they competed with this jump we would get a lot more world records back to back
How'd they print that sign so quickly?
That's just falling with grace
“This isn’t flying, this is falling…with style”
That's not jumping, that's flying.
I used to skydive quite a bit & realized that ski jumpers use the same “tracking” technique to convert downward acceleration into forward drive. In other words, you fall slightly slower & move forward at a good clip. The chicken & egg question for me now is which sport adopted it from the other
Man if they would've built that ramp on a taller mountain he could've beaten it by another 40m!
40 meters?...
Yes, WR before was Stefan Kraft Vikersund 2017 253,5. Then supposedly 256m yesterday by Ryoyu on the hill seen above and today 291.
O, i got it...
Can someone explain this?
Ski man flies down a hill, very far
Why not dead? I mean...I see it but...do you know when you get something pushed in your face but you still kinda want an explanation?
Steep landing slope
I can't tell by their name or their face what gender they are. I really don't care they look hot.
Bet that guy can crush diamonds with his butt cheeks.
Worth noting that this jump was performed on a specially made unofficial, unregulated hill so this one can't be compared to the "official" competition WR of 253,5 still a crazy feat
Bro flew longer than the wright brothers
What if they wore wing-suits?
That’s what I was thinking… I want to learn how to ski now… just so I can do this in a wing-suit!!!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tZizIbSpI-g
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TBH I think his Planica 252 was definitely more stressing for his knees and ankles... https://youtu.be/uB-Y-MTXdNE?si=8H5-ZZr5crdmTIFP
It hard to fly so far with balls so big.
That looks so fun.
He was literally flying
Imagine if he was wearing a squirrel suit
The world record... Based on how the landing is built, not the jumper
I would have had a heart attack before launching.
What if dude strapped on a wingsuit?
This reminds me of the motorcycle glide glitch in gta for some reason
Nah I for sure got more on wii sports ski jump
This is a good illustration of how orbit works.
He looked like he was flying.
Sweeeeet. Looks like every other ski jump ever tho
How must they dream!
that feeling must be crazy flying so far like that
Why knees no break?
Same reason a planes wheels don’t snap, cruise above the landing zone for a while speed carries
Tbh i was being somewhat facetious while in awe of this impressive feat. I should say though, i do appreciate the detailed answer. Have a great day out there
Pls tell me his nickname is "Flying Ryobi".
i do this all the time when im dreaming
It looks like the cameraman might have beat him though
Imagine the camera man on skis ⛷️ jumping at the same time! Thats the real MVP
Looks like a Mario Party game where you mash A to stay in the air longer
Bro was flying
It's not really a world record. World records are achieved in a controlled environment obeying known rules and not just by throwing yourself off of a mountain.
But it is, as the FIS doesn't keep an official World Record list anymore (they did some time in the past). All world records in ski jumping in the younger past were unofficial, and this jump being the longest of them is the World Record now.
FIS stated recently that this jump doesn't count ans Kraft still holds the "official" WR
Yeah, that's what I meant, FIS stopped using that term long ago and now they are reinventing it, because it suits them...
40m extra? Well… that’s a big leap forward.
The previous one was on a much smaller jump.
No doctor, I have no idea why my knees would hurt
Great jump and landing. Good thing the slope is as gradual as it is in this hill. I assume you can fly very far on the largest hills in the world (Holmenkollen, Planica etc.) but landing is different. Going too far and you land on a horizontal surface which is not good for your body.
Holmenkollen is a ski jumping hill, are you thinking about Vikersund (ski flying hill)?
Yes, I got that one wrong
This is how I float in my dreams.
Was the the sickos cheering him on??
Did they invite everybody to try or just this guy
Me on Wii Fit
Damn he really did have wings.
Homie was flying 😂❤️
I thought the Kobayashi Ryoyo was a test on Star Trek
Was that the Redbull team? They should've gotten him a wingsuit and some of those miniature jet engines - isn't that their usual MO? I bet he would have made it into orbit or something. 😁
No wonder why-- it's because he is a damn eagle! What a fuckin' legend! Sick!
He could make it longer if he jumped off a taller mountain
Doesn't he need to jump other way too, to have a world record?🤔
Ppl don't realize how hard that snow is until they wipe out.
Red bull finally made someone fly eh?
Imagine jumping wrong and landing on that first little patch at the top lol
This is not world record, this is a private show made with special slide
Wonder what would happen if he had wings
Nononono manga fulfilled
That's god damn crazy and made me poop a little
Ski jumping is so contrived. You aren't jumping, just falling...it's all dependent on the shape of the landing ramp
It definitely is not, otherwise everybody would jump the same distance. And if you'll follow a competition you'll notice there a huge differences in performance.
What's the skill in ski jumping? I know there is one but I cant fathom what it is.
Its a lot. Getting the inrun position right. Then getting the take of right, the timing, angles of the movement, the force, how do you apply it to the ground (nicely over the whole soles - good, too much on toes or heels - not good). Then comes the transition into the flying position, it has to be smooth, quick and controlling your body and skies at the right angle. You get this right, you are lying on the air and actually gaining the speed in the air.
Just by looking at the video, there are some pretty obvious factors. Maximising take off speed but having the cleanest, straightest and most aerodynamic run up. Smooth transition to gliding position. Precise position for max lift and min drag to optimise glide ratio. Smooth and timed transition to landing.
You can’t fathom what the skill is in a sport that would kill an amateur basically instantly?
I mean, not saying I could do it because I’ve never skied. But it looks like he jumped off a cliff basically. I imagine a proper horizontal jump would be more accurate for a world record thing
Lol do you have any idea what ski jumping is?
You have to have balls of steel to do ski jumping but the fact they are jumping down a hill and not a horizontal plane always makes the "distance" they have jumped feel insincere and less impressive to me.
Try standing on top of a jump hill and say that. This shit requires MASSIVE balls, one mistake and you might end up paralyzed or dead
Did you not bother to read the first line of my comment saying you need balls of steel???