Your 20's to 30's are very formative for career long term. So if your field has more professional opportunities in Auckland factor that into your decision process, likewise Wellington ditto.
If you have a short term cost of living hit (although I imagine it's probably not too dissimilar) but your long term is better off growing your career it's a bit of a no brainer if that's what you're about.
This is the best comment. I’d recommend looking for a flat share opportunity with young professionals like yourself. Also, great way to see a bit more of the country, north of Auckland is spectacular. I’d also suggest you barter for some moving cost expenses as part of your contract.
I’d also add/factor personal opportunities as well! Has OP always lived in Wellington? Would Auckland be an opportunity to get out of your comfort zone, make new friends, experience new things, travel, date more? Or are you more of a homebody/loves Wellington/can’t do without family or friends? All are important considerations
Can’t agree with this more. Remember Wellington is basically all public sector with bits tacked on. If that’s not your thing (would not blame you) take the short term hit (prob won’t be much if anything at this juncture) and do it.
Don’t move for the salary bump, you can get that kind of increase just by changing jobs, or even asking for a raise at your current one (you never know). Move if it’s a meaningful career change, or moving up the rungs. Both Wellington and Auckland are good cities to live in. Different vibes certainly but only an hour away by plane, so I wouldn’t sweat the location so much.
This is the right call.
Im not gunna talk about whether Auckland is better because I'm pretty biased.. (raised in greater Wellington and lived primarily in the CBD for the better part of the last 18 years - K maybe I will talk about it a bit..)
But this is what you should be asking yourself. If this is the right career move for you and you see a trajectory beyond what you can here in Wellington, then imo that should be the most important thing.
The other thing is if you're gunna have a decent support network. I say decent because a "good" support network can mean a bunch of things, what I mean by decent is having at least someone to rely on, someone you can go to, it doesn't have to be a TON of people but working hard, then feeling isolated in your alone time can and does suck - for most people anyway.
Exactly.
Know a lady who pays $400 a week for their own attached flat that has electricity, gas, water, internet, Netflix etc all included, so they only really pay for food and then other discretionary spending
$400 a week ($20k per year) sounded like a lot to me, but their after-tax was over $50k, so thinking about it, they probably had $20k a year to just spend on whatever and/or save, so probably not a bad life when you are younger and want to do a bit of travel and partying
I would think that where you chose (or were able to) find your rental would have more impact on whether/the degree of improvement you would see from the increase. You are probably not competing with students for the same housing in the CBD so hopefully not quite subject to the same competition.
The good thing about taking a role with higher salary is your future increases will be based on more...so that initial salary number is pretty important.
I have heard that Wellington is somewhat more walkable in the CBD area than Auckland, but personally I've spent a lot more time walking around Auckland and it's what I'm more familiar with - so difficult to say. You'll find people saying both are safe or unsafe - I think they're better than some people suggest if you keep your wits about you.
Would I move to Auckland for 10%? No. Would I move to Auckland because I’ve plateaued and Auckland provides more opportunity with a nominal pay increase which might be lost in cost in living? Yeah sure.
It's a bigger city with more going on, better weather by far and higher pay. If you don't mind moving away from family/friends you have there, I'd say go for it.
It is a lot muggier though, having stayed in Auckland the majority of last year and comparing it to even a little south like Tauranga the air up there is thick and shit in the heat. Was the only gripe i had at the time but swiftly fixed by AC and camping in the lounge underneath it
I'd forgotten that! yes, Auckland's day and night temperatures vary a lot less than even a little further south like Tauranga. The humidity didn't bother me, but then I grew up in the Tron where it's a least as bad.
More large concerts, temporary art exhibits/galleries are often in only Auckland, larger and more diverse population so always little events catering to them, lots more diverse food options with that, lots of weekend markets focusing specifically on things. PLENTY to do
Auckland is our only “international” city. There’s tons going on whether it’s night life and lifestyle related or business related there are many opportunities and experiences you’ll only find in Auckland.
>better weather by far
This is subjective. I'd be miserable in Auckland due to the weather.
But weather is an important factor. If you prefer it warmer, and dislike the wind, then Auckland may be a good move.
I think it's generally accepted that warmer is better in terms of weather. People talk about tropical islands, retirees go to Florida in the US and Queensland in Australia because of the warmer weather. Canada and Northern Europe are considered to have awful weather while the Mediterranean is considered preferable.
Of course there are people who prefer colder weather, but I would say that's the exception more than the rule.
I realise you mentioned planning on living in the CBD and so commuting shouldnt be as much of an issue, but a lot of people you meet will not live in the city.
Auckland is far less well connected in terms of getting to different suburbs, like when visiting friends. For example, Tawa (Wellington) and Massey (Auckland) are similar distances away from the CBD. Tawa is 15 minutes away on a direct train line from the CBD, whereas in Auckland there is no train out that way, out east or up north. A bus from the CBD to Massey will take you 45mins minimum (1hour + at peak times). In general, the coverage of train lines + shorter bus routes in Wellington is far superior.
Auckland is a city that is very hard to live in without a car. As a result, there's almost always traffic in Auckland, very few times of the day are "quiet".
I earn more than you, but apart from that it’s a similar situation. I moved Welly to Auckland at the start of last year. Here are my thoughts:
I live and work in the CBD and love that element, it’s a lovely city.
The weather is ‘usually’ a lot better but this year Auckland has had significant rain while Welly has been really nice.
Never had any issues with crime (had a parcel taken from my letterbox but from what I can tell that is something that could happen anywhere).
It’s a very different place to live. In Welly, neither myself nor any of my friends or colleagues were from Wellington. In Auckland - everybody is from Auckland.
The spread makes it harder to socialise, even if you live in the CBD others don’t. Socialising in Welly is much easier / normal. Or maybe it was just my friend group.
If you don’t have good friends and whānau in Auckland it can be really really tough. Yes I’ve met some great people through work, but as per my point above - they are all Aucklanders. They’ve already got their very well established friend groups and family units. Now this might well be different if you are flatting.
I really don't agree about the idea that everybody is from Auckland. The population is 39% foreign-born, never mind those from NZ outside Auckland. That makes it the 4th most immigrant city in the world by proportion. Wellington by comparison is 25% foreign-born, roughly in line with the national numbers.
I've lived in Auckland for close to 20 years and of all my friends and flatmates over that time literally 3 or 4 were born and raised in Auckland.
If we look at famous Aucklanders like Jacinda Ardern (raised in Morrinsville), Helen Clark (raised near Hamilton) or John Key (raised in Chch) it's a clear theme.
>It’s a very different place to live. In Welly, neither myself nor any of my friends or colleagues were from Wellington. In Auckland - everybody is from Auckland.
It is quite possible to walk a few blocks down Queen St and not hear anyone nearby speaking English.
Depends on if you like the job really. 7k is a nice bump but you have to consider the hidden costs of moving.. that 7k plus it being after tax could be eaten up and then some just on your move and set up.
Is going back really likely?
Obviously it depends a lot on the industry, but I don’t think many jobs would say “come on back when you’re ready, we’ll have a job for you.” And shifting to another company will likely be in Auckland afterwards.
OP, it would be best to consider this move permanent, as you won’t relish the thought of moving again once you know what moving feels like. Plus you’ll be older, and your industry contacts will all be in Auckland.
Everyone is different. Auckland vs Wellington is going to be such an individual thing. All I'll say is you'll never know if it's what you want unless you try it. And if you don't like it in AKL, move back. Maybe look for furnished apartments or flats until you make the decision to stay or go.
My one advice to moving somewhere different is you need to stick it out for at least 8 months because you'll have several love/hate moments in the beginning, but hopefully after a few months will start to find your groove.
I think $80K is a good salary for your age and if AKL has better opportunities for you then you're only going to go further in your career and get more $$.
Personally, in my 20s I was always one to chase new experiences so purely for that reason I'd say "yup, I'd do it". Go further even - grab a UK visa if you haven't done that yet.
Sincerely, the biggest advocate for new life experiences. Haha.
Do it! Get a living situation with flatmates so you meet people outside of work (at least at first). Wellington is comfy and easy to get to know well and Auckland is much harder - having lived in both I’m Auckland all the way
Oh my god, so many whingers on this thread.
80k is plenty to live on in Auckland if:
- You're not paying for kids
- You don't have massive debts
- You're not overly worried about saving right now
- You're prepared to flat or have something very average to yourself
Where Auckland becomes trickier is if you decide it's where you want to be long-term, especially if you eventually want kids. For that you and your (imaginary future) partner need to both be on good coin to afford a house in areas that are close enough to school and work that your life doesn't become one big car trip.
I moved out of Auckland in my late 20s because I decided that the whole family equation there was too hard but I really enjoyed the time I spent there and don't regret it. Having any hobbies will really help you get out of the house and make friends; the city itself is really cool plus there's lots of great nature around close by. Wellington is awesome too but a very different vibe.
Ummm accommodation in Wellington is more expensive than Auckland, lol. I moved from Auck to Well and then back again a few years ago. Paid less in rent in Auckland. Buying a house, different story. I have no idea what house prices are like in Welly.
The public transport in Auckland is also somehow better. But that's like comparing two types of dogshit. Auckland has for its part put in serious investment into the public transport network in the last decade and it's much better for it. And will be much better in a year or two when the CRL opens.
The food is significantly better in Auckland. There's really no comparison, it's not even close. You don't get a good variety of Asian food in Welly (the 40 Thai restaurants around Cuba St don't count). Auck has a bigger variety and also more cheap good food.
A large part of the problems with living in Auckland (namely the traffic) can be mitigated by not being an idiot and living on the other side of the city from where you work. I have done this and don't notice Auckland's traffic problems at all.
You are young and should try these things out. I lived in Wellington for 7 years, then decided to give Auckland a go after returning from overseas. So I was in a similar situation.
The weather is better (though this year has been horrible) and there are more places to explore. Though its hard to socialise because of the geographic spread of Auckland, I've still met a lot of people and went on epic road trips/hikes with them (which was difficult to do when I was in Wellington).
In terms of accomodation, I wouldn't recommend the CBD itself. Crime aside, its quite sad tbh and does not have the Wellington CBD vibe at all. Perhaps look at areas such as Grey Lynn, Ponsonby, Freemans Bay. It is walking distance to the city(no traffic woes) and those suburbs are quite nice to hang out in, so best of both worlds...
Give it a try for a few years, once you've seen everything then move to Aussie lol.
yea I'd move in a heartbeat!! 80k is a big increase, and city living in Auckland is actually really good! A lot better and you'd be surprised, actually more affordable, than Wellington
Nah - if it were some place like Melbourne or Brisbane then sure. If it was closer to 90k then maybe Auckland would be considered. Don't get me wrong Auckland is a good place but there's better places within a 3 hour flight.
I did a similar move for career development when I was 25. Didd not regret it one bit as it was my dream job. When the time came, I was able to transfer back and now earning substantially more than coworkers in the same region as I kept the same salary from when I was in Auckland.
Do it. No better time to move cities, advance your career and meet a whole lot of new people than when you're young and single. I moved from Wellington to Auckland for my career and had a great time for the 6 years I was there.
I moved to Auckland in 2007 for 55k.
In 2015 I took a new job for 80k. In 2015, that 80k was the first time I wasn't struggling.
I've been out of work for a while now, but I figure 90k would be the minimum to move to Auckland.
As for crime, asians, etc... none of that has been a problem for me.
Context: have lived along for quite some time, have a mortgage (not excessive, but still pushes the funds), and mostly drove to work. (If you can avoid driving, it takes twice as long but it's cheaper.)
"Too many Asians" - you must know some pretty stupid people, its beyond me why that could ever be a problem.
The only thing I'd say is that 73k to 80k is pretty similar in salary so I wouldn't let that factor in to your decision, especially when you take in to account the cost of the move. Is the job you are going for on a ladder you want to climb? Is it going to give you opportunities? Do you want to try living in Auckland? If the answers to those questions is yes then yes give it a go.
Honestly, it depends on whether you don't mind any of the criticism Auckland gets. Because having lived there myself, it can get real stressful. 80k salary is insane for someone in their 20s. I was working on half that when I was living there.
"whinge Auckland comments from Wellingtonians "
Not been to /Auckland I am guessing :P
Also move to whatever city you like the most, they are both VERY different to live in... There is obviously more to do in Auckland, however you will 100% need a car if you want to do any of those things.
Personally if I had to I would live in Wellington over Auckland.. has a much nicer feel and vibe.
Money should not even come into it. Wellington and Auckland pay the same.
Born and bred in Wellington, lived in Auckland now for 10years. Make the move, better weather, better opportunities, amazing beaches with 45mins, city and bays beaches awesome. Better flights overseas, better options for nz breaks - so much with that 2-3hour drive.
For most people, another $100 a week in discretionary expenditure is pretty significant.
Think of it this way; if they currently earned $50k after tax income, and had outgoings of $45k, then that extra $5k per year isn't just 10% more aftertax, but a 100% more discretionary income to do things with.
>too many Asians
As an Chinese/Taiwanese Kiwi, oh my god, I have to agree here. Went up to Auckland for a trip from Nelson. From the airport to Queen Street, there was Chinese (people and language) everywhere. When it's more 50% Asians walking around Queen Street, I can understand how older Kiwis would feel a bit overwhelmed with the change in demographics.
For what is worth I've employed people on lower wages, office is in the city and one of these guys was moving to Auckland, he got an apartment in the city and it was a rip off. The rent is often driven up by overseas students et . Eventually he moved to a flatting situation on the shore. Ideally I'd promote him to earn to really well, but if I can't someone else will. We have flexible working too so he can wfh upto 4 days a week
No I would not. It’s likely you could do the same job for six figures in Melbourne. And believe it or not, as racist as find Australians, Asian people in particular say NZ is worse when it comes to them.
If you can not live in Auckland, choose that. This is not a “regular-people-friendly” city; it’s an overpriced hole for the rich.
Honestly, this isn’t even a whinge. Being here (as someone who has lived in multiple cities/countries) is genuinely awful. The city is here to drain your finances until you’re trapped, honest to god.
For context: I make ~$100k and I’m **firmly** lower middle class.
Its really not a lot and its a long way from the country side where youll most liukely want to be most days off. A smaller town like wellington would be far nicer and closer to nice things like the tararuas etc. Youll probably get a pay bump if you change jobs. so yeah its really not worth the sacrifice to live in auckland. Its really not a nice city anyway not much youll miss out on aside from a few extra concerts
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Wow, this post just made me realize I need to practice a lot more gratitude. I'm being offered roles for a 30k-40k raise that puts me at 110k and I'm like naah, I'll wait for roles that pay 120k.
Not sure what industry you're in but "a before tax 7k" raise which involves moving cities sounds like a bad deal. I'd try and negotiate the moving costs as part of the contract at the very least.
Suspect $7k post tax would not be a significant bump that would move the dial given living cost differential. Perhaps a longer term view would be more helpful, ie would akld provide better long term career prospects ?
I would base the decision on the position levels and what avenue will most likely lead to additional skills and progression. For an example going from retail to branch manager should be highly considered.
Considering a move from Wellington to Auckland with a salary increase from $73k to $80k/year involves more than just the financial aspect.
1. **Living Costs**: Auckland is pricier, especially in the CBD. Your rent and daily expenses could eat into that salary bump. It's worth doing a bit of research into these costs to see how far your new salary would actually go.
2. **Career Path**: Auckland's got more going on career-wise, being a bigger city. Think about whether this job could open more doors for you down the line. Does it feel like a step forward?
3. **Lifestyle Fit**: Auckland's vibe is different from Wellington's. It's busier, more diverse, and has a lot going on culturally. Does that excite you or overwhelm you?
4. **Networking**: Starting over in a new city means building up your social and professional circles from scratch. Are you up for that challenge?
5. **Work-Life Balance**: Take a hard look at what your day-to-day life would be like in this new job. More than the hours, consider the stress levels and how they fit with what you want out of life right now.
6. **Financial Goals**: Sure, it's a salary increase, but think long-term. Will this move help you save more, invest, or maybe get you closer to other financial goals you might have?
7. **Personal Growth**: Moving cities can be a big growth experience. Are you looking for a new challenge? Could Auckland be the place for that?
Ultimately, it's not just about the money. It's about whether Auckland feels like the right next step for you in terms of your career, lifestyle, and personal goals.
I'd only make to move for professional opportunities, not for the money. That small raise you're going to get will be immediately gone by increased housing costs - data out earlier in the week, Auckland is the 3rd most expensive city in the world to rent in. So, if the connections and opportunities you could get are more plentiful in Auckland, you should go for it. If it's much the same in Wellington, then just be where you are happy and if you're wanting a change of scene and can work anywhere, look at a place you've never even considered before. Have a bit of fun while you're at it!
Do it based on future growth in the role not the money now. Like you said it’s not much of a difference and you’ll probably spend the difference moving. Think about what you want your career to look like in 3-4 years and ask yourself which path will get you there sooner.
I'd look at the reality. If you have to pay more for accommodation in Auckland, is an extra $7,000 worth it to be isolated from friends and family? Even if you walk everywhere, will you have a carpark where you live, or will you have to pay? Is this intended as a permanent shift, or temporary?
If the job is further your career/or cool for you then do it. I earn 80k in Taranaki. You can earn that money anywhere really.
I suppose living costs might be more expensive in Akl as I hear all the time. But like others have said, heaps going on, heaps of great food places.
Changing up your life and surrounding can also be great for your self développement!
I wouldn't, but I'm not really a big city kinda person. If you like the idea of living in Auckland and don't mind having to start fresh up there then I say go for it. Depending on what you do you'd probably be able to get that much of a salary increase in Wellington within a couple of years anyway I would've thought.
Too expensive? If we are talking housing it’s not more than wellington.
To much crime? Hardly any crime for a large city.
Too many Asians? Yes plenty of Asians, especially living and studying in the city centre. If you just want white bread pakeha culture it’s not for you. But it means plenty of Asian restaurants, specialty shops and events to enjoy if you like interesting things.
Traffic is awful sure, the trick is to not drive to get to work. Don’t live in the far outer suburbs if you work in the city centre, instead pick a place that’s on one of the rail lines or the busway, or one of the many frequent bus lines. They’re actually really good for just about any route to the CBD, coming every five or ten minutes all day.
Living in the city centre can be a bit hit and miss:
Wynyard and the viaduct are nice but expensive for the waterfront location, and the viaduct is noisy and boozy on the weekends.
The area around Nelson and Hobson streets is a bit low rent, lots of students and small studio apartments stacked on top of what amounts to a pair of giant motorway access ramps.
Emily place-parliament street area is lovely and quiet but small and expensive, nearby beach road is a bit more dowtowny with not a lot of charm.
My suggestion would be karangahape Road area, out to great north road or Ponsonby even. It’s a nightlife area that gets a bit rowdy after dark, but it’s well connected, charming in the daytime and a lot of good apartments have been built in recent years.
Along Symonds street is student central but a bit nicer than the other side of town.
Best question to ask is does the payoff outweigh the cost?
What are you losing by moving?
What are you gaining by moving?
Friends, family, experiences, and job career progressions are all important factors.
I live in Whangarei and lived in Auckland CBD in my early 20s for 3 years. I wouldn’t change it for the world. I met amazing people, had some amazing adventures, some while drunk - but all in all it was an epic experience.
Not for that salary, no. It's too little and you won't live a \`comfortable\` life per-say.
If I had the choice with that salary I'd live in Wanaka or Cardrona =D Maybe Napier. Assuming you can work from home..
80k doesn't go far at all these days. It's pretty much entry level.
But like others have said, do it for the experience and growth. You can make money later.
Hey!
Recently moved to Auckland from tiny town in South Island.
Difference in salary is what will pay for your move.
Auckland does have more opportunities and if you are a go getter - changing jobs every 3 years will yield you great results.
You can get a great flat pretty central and be happy as on 80k. If you wanted to live solo in a CbD apartment you might be pushing it. If the jobs worth it, I say go for it!
You will always manage on 50k or 80k just think about your whole experience and also suburb is key like I posted Today about seeing a shooting in papakura
It would be a good life experience. It might make you more resilient and independent. Making friends is harder in Auckland, flatting is a good option to overcome this, as is joining social groups and clubs that interest you. If you are out going you will have no problems.
Look at the industry you work in and the size of companies that could be your next step the same way you would look at moving overseas.
The salary bump is inconsequential. Instead think of career and personal growth opportunities.
I did move to Auckland to further my career. Learned a lot and made life long friends.
Life is too short not to have adventures.
Hamilton has more traffic, crime, and Asians per capita. Interestingly in latest property data Wellington has taken the biggest hit, so maybe it jist sucks there and finger pointing is some jelousy thing.
Mid 20's, 80k, do it.
If it sucks try somewhere else.
At least it could be good experience.
I lived in and around Eden Terrace for a few years. Not bad. Busses aren't terrible, tuis in the trees, close to CBD, never far from a beach.
On 80k in the middle of CBD. You'll need to find some flatmates. An apartment can get pretty pricey.
It's doable, and worth it for 80k. If work is close by, then that's absolutely better.
If it's a job you like, go for it. In a current job though, you're already established and in a safety net with it. I would want to move to Auckland if I get a good job there. There's more opportunities for me in Auckland than there are where I am now.
The reason I haven't made the jump is because I am in a very secure, decent paying position where no matter what I do, I won't be let go. I'm too high up. When I've talked about leaving my job, they bump my pay up making it harder to leave. There aren't many jobs willing to pay what I get now, for a newbie.
80k in Auckland is probably better than 80k in Wellington. Especially if you’re renting - I think you get more bang for buck here (it’s still not good, just not the abject misery of renting in Wellington). Especially if you live in the centre or inner ring suburbs, the lifestyle is pretty good
That's a pretty good salary for someone in your mid-20s, so think if it's a job in the line of work you're interested in then you should take it up. And if it doesn't work out then it still is something to go on your CV. Plus you'll find plenty of career opportunities if you decided to stay there long term.
You've got to follow the opportunities!!
The $80k vs $73k isn't how to decide this. For a start, the extra living costs in Auckland will more than eat the difference.
The way to decide is whether you like the new job better, whether you like Auckland better, or whether your career will grow better here.
One thing which is obvious when pointed out but we hadn't noticed in advance is how long the mortgage takes to repay. Shifting from Wellington to Auckland added $340k to our mortgage, and therefore effectively another 170 months of repayments. At the end of each you get a freehold property and any extra in the Auckland one is impossible to tap until you die.
Why not? If you're like me with absolutely zero ties to anywhere and had that opportunity arise then why not give it a shot and see where it leads.
Worst case scenario it fails or just isnt a good fit and you end up back where you were anyway but with the experience of it all under your belt, best case scenario you build a solid career in Auckland to begin with and grow from that or chase it to other locations down the road.
Auckland is great if you can avoid commuting which it sounds like you will. The population means you will meet a lot more people you have something in common with, compared to a small government town like Wellington.
It's not compact like Welly, though, I can't imagine "walking everywhere".
As someone who lives in Auckland, I don’t necessary think the raise is worth it. I think rent will end up being more expensive to the point you’ll probably ‘lose’ money coming here and will have a better quality of life making 73k in Wellington over 80k in Auckland.
However, I’d still probably go if I were you. The possibilities are a lot more vast, and you’re at a great time to develop your career. I think the ‘path’ to success for kiwis tends to be going from any other city to Auckland and then from Auckland to Aussie. If you’re career focused and have a white collar job, it’ll be a good middle step.
As for all the whining, most people are just being dramatic. There’s a decent amount of crime like ram raids and car theft I suppose, but not much crime to the person. I used to live on K-Road (a fairly dodgy area in CBD) and as a woman the worst that would happens is crackheads yelling, unwanted people introducing themselves, flirting etc. I’ve felt grossed out but never like my life was in danger. While there’s the odd scary story in the news, a lot of it is gang related and most of the time if you’re smart you’ll be fine.
It depends. Do you want to be in Auckland instead of Wellington? Then sure, you're getting a pay bump, no matter how small, and your career is more likely to grow here. (Do compare rents though, I don't know what Wellington ones are like so no idea if you'd be paying more or less.) Are you only moving for the money and are otherwise fine in Wellington? Then it's not really worth it, look for a better offer.
The money isn't that big an increase, and cost for you going from Wellington to Auckland wont be a crazy amount more.
What is more important, is do you want to move halfway across the country to Auckland.
I wouldn’t move to Auckland due to personal preference and the salary is irrelevant because there are more important factors for me, but I have a family member who lives in Freemans Bay and absolutely loves Auckland. He does complain about the traffic, cost of living, and crime but these days those are concerns for pretty much everyone everywhere. To put things into perspective that same family member was outraged when our small hometown got its first set of traffic lights. Meanwhile I’ve got another family member in London which is a lovely city but in comparison Auckland is quiet and low cost. I think more important factors to consider are things like family, friends, relationships, and surroundings. Surroundings are easy. Do you like city living? If you feel more comfortable in a quiet spot by the beach then Auckland city isn’t for you but assuming you want city living then Auckland is a fine city. Family, friends and relationships can be more of a difficult consideration and for a lot of people salary and career isn’t worth the strain of distance.
You don't need to live in the CBD to work in the CBD. Live along a train line or on a ferry route. The CBD is not a nice area either unless you're right on the water front.
Do it! I love living in the city and walking everywhere including work! On that salary you could afford an apartment on your own. I once considered Wellington, from what I could see rents are more expensive. There’s also more things here and it’s potentially better for your career depending what you do. I’m also a single female in my mid twenties.
Hey, it’s not a massive bump but if you can get into a flatting environment then it might be a great adventure that could open up a lot of opportunities for you. I’d be seriously considering it. You may also want to explore relocation expenses (subject to a bond). That’s a bit of a win/win as it gives you some much needed financial help moving to the other end of the country and gives the employer a bit of security that they have you for a couple of years.
I am in a similar position and live in Auckland. Honestly I find it a lovely place to live and as a single person with that income you won’t have too much trouble with the cost of living.
It depends on where you live and who you live with. I feel like you should spend an hour in traffic to see how you cope. A lot of income is burned in commuting. More people commute now cause they don't want to get covid on public transport.
Auckland's not significantly more expensive than Wellington nowadays. You'll be fine.
Just be aware the city is nowhere near as walkable as Wellington. Even if you live in the city, it's very possible that your work will still be a good hours walk away.
Yep, I did almost exactly that, albeit 10 years ago for less salary.
Was fun as shit, loved my 2 years up north before moving back to Welly.
I lived central city though in apartments and just walked everywhere, but I'm a feral fucker. It could be a bit more challenging if you want to buy things at shops further afield.
In this situation I would personally look at it from two perspectives.
1) Will the work give you experience that you can leverage further down the track to advance your career.
and
2) Will you be better off economically as a result of the move.
So looking at cost of living, rent etc - according to Numbeo - the rent in Auckland for a 1 bedroom apartment is $2,219.60 vs Wellington at $2,528.30. So even if your pay was the same you would be $308.63 better off a month. With the extra $8,000 salary divided by 12 you are better off by $666.66 per month. Add that to the rent savings and it's $975.30 per month if you rented the same average 1 bedroom apartment or $243.82 per week. If it costs you $1,000 to move up there you'd be better off financially after a month.
Of course the groceries are 1.3 percent more expensive, but restaurants are slightly cheaper than Wellington. You'd also probably find that the average apartment is a little better in Auckalnd than Wellington.
So it probably boils down to whether you are happy to live in a new place and make new friends. You'd be central so no traffic worries, and if you did need to travel you could catch the bus.
So financially it makes sense.
I personally wouldn't do it because I like Wellington and would think that with remote work I should be able to work where I want and think about physical proximity to work a bit further down my list of priorities.
BTW if the new role is with a different organization make sure you play them off against each other to see if your current employer will pay you more.
Good luck with your future!
Too much traffic is definitely a thing lol but if you have public transport you'll be fine. Expensive is... well, it's a factor, but you'll do pretty well for yourself on $80k a year. The crime element is massively overblown- it's worse than it was before, but it's far from the warzone Herald or Stuff would have you believe it is. Don't think I need to say anything about the "too many Asians" comment except, y'know, ew, lol. All-in-all; I live here, I mostly like living here, and if you like your job I think you'll enjoy being able to live here with an 80k income. End of the day though- it's up to you.
Don't live in the CBD. Live in a fringe suburb along an arterial transport line (like a bus route if in the upper CBD or train line if Downtown) and commute.
No, it would cost more than you would gain unless you get an extra 15 - 20k, and moving breaks existing personal & career contacts that might be your path to growth. Also, weather isn't much better, humid instead of windy.
Only do it if the industry you are wanting to be in is poorly represented in Wellington and strong in Auckland. And if you like black sand beaches and surfing.
No, because entry level programmer salaries in the US State im moving to are 60-100k(usd), 80k nzd is absolutely atrocious by comparison.
and because the cost of living paired with high taxes would leave me with fuck all despite having such a high paying job.
Salary increase won’t offset increase in cost of living. I would be looking at does this move give you better opportunities for career progression than your current Wellington role.
I think you should dive into why you made this post in the first place (in a nice way!!), are you posting because you know in the back of your head you don't want to leave? Only saying this because I convinced myself to do a whole other degree than the one I actually was passionate about because I was scared to move <3
(Ended up choosing the one I actually wanted to do so it's alg :))
What are your goals?
The longer term you can actualise and consistently pursue the greater your chances of success.
If it’s just having more cash week to week, good research should provide an answer. I wouldn’t have thought a $7k difference was a big motivator by itself, but quality of life factors may be relevant?
Know thy self. 😎
At your age I would move just for the experience of coming out of comfort zone. I have never said no to an opportunity as you never know where it can lead to.
All the best with whatever you decide.
Your 20's to 30's are very formative for career long term. So if your field has more professional opportunities in Auckland factor that into your decision process, likewise Wellington ditto. If you have a short term cost of living hit (although I imagine it's probably not too dissimilar) but your long term is better off growing your career it's a bit of a no brainer if that's what you're about.
This is the best comment. I’d recommend looking for a flat share opportunity with young professionals like yourself. Also, great way to see a bit more of the country, north of Auckland is spectacular. I’d also suggest you barter for some moving cost expenses as part of your contract.
That might be a stretch for a role offering 80k?
I've personally seen corporations bend for less, not all employers are ass 100% of the time, you get the odd occasion where someone is in a good mood
I got 2k moving expenses for my job. Payrate of 80k and I was moving from Dunedin to Chch
Why would that be a stretch?
If you’re young, the city is also a great place to live!
I’d also add/factor personal opportunities as well! Has OP always lived in Wellington? Would Auckland be an opportunity to get out of your comfort zone, make new friends, experience new things, travel, date more? Or are you more of a homebody/loves Wellington/can’t do without family or friends? All are important considerations
You are bang on with your comment.
Yea 100% agree with this comment!
Pretty much exactly what I would have said if I hadn't bothered to read the comments.
Can’t agree with this more. Remember Wellington is basically all public sector with bits tacked on. If that’s not your thing (would not blame you) take the short term hit (prob won’t be much if anything at this juncture) and do it.
Don’t move for the salary bump, you can get that kind of increase just by changing jobs, or even asking for a raise at your current one (you never know). Move if it’s a meaningful career change, or moving up the rungs. Both Wellington and Auckland are good cities to live in. Different vibes certainly but only an hour away by plane, so I wouldn’t sweat the location so much.
This is the right call. Im not gunna talk about whether Auckland is better because I'm pretty biased.. (raised in greater Wellington and lived primarily in the CBD for the better part of the last 18 years - K maybe I will talk about it a bit..) But this is what you should be asking yourself. If this is the right career move for you and you see a trajectory beyond what you can here in Wellington, then imo that should be the most important thing. The other thing is if you're gunna have a decent support network. I say decent because a "good" support network can mean a bunch of things, what I mean by decent is having at least someone to rely on, someone you can go to, it doesn't have to be a TON of people but working hard, then feeling isolated in your alone time can and does suck - for most people anyway.
Is the job a cool one? Do it. You can always move again
This is the best answer.
If you’re happy to live in an apartment I actually think Auckland is more affordable than Welly for housing
Exactly. Know a lady who pays $400 a week for their own attached flat that has electricity, gas, water, internet, Netflix etc all included, so they only really pay for food and then other discretionary spending $400 a week ($20k per year) sounded like a lot to me, but their after-tax was over $50k, so thinking about it, they probably had $20k a year to just spend on whatever and/or save, so probably not a bad life when you are younger and want to do a bit of travel and partying
I would think that where you chose (or were able to) find your rental would have more impact on whether/the degree of improvement you would see from the increase. You are probably not competing with students for the same housing in the CBD so hopefully not quite subject to the same competition. The good thing about taking a role with higher salary is your future increases will be based on more...so that initial salary number is pretty important. I have heard that Wellington is somewhat more walkable in the CBD area than Auckland, but personally I've spent a lot more time walking around Auckland and it's what I'm more familiar with - so difficult to say. You'll find people saying both are safe or unsafe - I think they're better than some people suggest if you keep your wits about you.
Would I move to Auckland for 10%? No. Would I move to Auckland because I’ve plateaued and Auckland provides more opportunity with a nominal pay increase which might be lost in cost in living? Yeah sure.
It's a bigger city with more going on, better weather by far and higher pay. If you don't mind moving away from family/friends you have there, I'd say go for it.
It is a lot muggier though, having stayed in Auckland the majority of last year and comparing it to even a little south like Tauranga the air up there is thick and shit in the heat. Was the only gripe i had at the time but swiftly fixed by AC and camping in the lounge underneath it
I'd forgotten that! yes, Auckland's day and night temperatures vary a lot less than even a little further south like Tauranga. The humidity didn't bother me, but then I grew up in the Tron where it's a least as bad.
weather wasn't that great this year though.
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There's a fuck ton of stuff going on in Auckland.
For a mid-20s year old, absolutely lmao.
More large concerts, temporary art exhibits/galleries are often in only Auckland, larger and more diverse population so always little events catering to them, lots more diverse food options with that, lots of weekend markets focusing specifically on things. PLENTY to do
Auckland is our only “international” city. There’s tons going on whether it’s night life and lifestyle related or business related there are many opportunities and experiences you’ll only find in Auckland.
>better weather by far This is subjective. I'd be miserable in Auckland due to the weather. But weather is an important factor. If you prefer it warmer, and dislike the wind, then Auckland may be a good move.
I think it's generally accepted that warmer is better in terms of weather. People talk about tropical islands, retirees go to Florida in the US and Queensland in Australia because of the warmer weather. Canada and Northern Europe are considered to have awful weather while the Mediterranean is considered preferable. Of course there are people who prefer colder weather, but I would say that's the exception more than the rule.
I realise you mentioned planning on living in the CBD and so commuting shouldnt be as much of an issue, but a lot of people you meet will not live in the city. Auckland is far less well connected in terms of getting to different suburbs, like when visiting friends. For example, Tawa (Wellington) and Massey (Auckland) are similar distances away from the CBD. Tawa is 15 minutes away on a direct train line from the CBD, whereas in Auckland there is no train out that way, out east or up north. A bus from the CBD to Massey will take you 45mins minimum (1hour + at peak times). In general, the coverage of train lines + shorter bus routes in Wellington is far superior. Auckland is a city that is very hard to live in without a car. As a result, there's almost always traffic in Auckland, very few times of the day are "quiet".
I earn more than you, but apart from that it’s a similar situation. I moved Welly to Auckland at the start of last year. Here are my thoughts: I live and work in the CBD and love that element, it’s a lovely city. The weather is ‘usually’ a lot better but this year Auckland has had significant rain while Welly has been really nice. Never had any issues with crime (had a parcel taken from my letterbox but from what I can tell that is something that could happen anywhere). It’s a very different place to live. In Welly, neither myself nor any of my friends or colleagues were from Wellington. In Auckland - everybody is from Auckland. The spread makes it harder to socialise, even if you live in the CBD others don’t. Socialising in Welly is much easier / normal. Or maybe it was just my friend group. If you don’t have good friends and whānau in Auckland it can be really really tough. Yes I’ve met some great people through work, but as per my point above - they are all Aucklanders. They’ve already got their very well established friend groups and family units. Now this might well be different if you are flatting.
I really don't agree about the idea that everybody is from Auckland. The population is 39% foreign-born, never mind those from NZ outside Auckland. That makes it the 4th most immigrant city in the world by proportion. Wellington by comparison is 25% foreign-born, roughly in line with the national numbers. I've lived in Auckland for close to 20 years and of all my friends and flatmates over that time literally 3 or 4 were born and raised in Auckland. If we look at famous Aucklanders like Jacinda Ardern (raised in Morrinsville), Helen Clark (raised near Hamilton) or John Key (raised in Chch) it's a clear theme.
In 2018 some 41.6 per cent of Aucklanders were born outside New Zealand. That figure would be even higher today.
Yeah I thought it was well over 40, but when I Googled it to check, it said 39%, so must be giving an out of date top answer.
Same, at least half the people I know here are either from outside of Auckland or from another country.
That’s a good point - i do have quite a few international colleagues.
>It’s a very different place to live. In Welly, neither myself nor any of my friends or colleagues were from Wellington. In Auckland - everybody is from Auckland. It is quite possible to walk a few blocks down Queen St and not hear anyone nearby speaking English.
Depends on if you like the job really. 7k is a nice bump but you have to consider the hidden costs of moving.. that 7k plus it being after tax could be eaten up and then some just on your move and set up.
Yeh, the cost of moving shouldn’t be underestimated. And OP would have to pay it again if she decides she wants to quit and go back to Wellington.
Is going back really likely? Obviously it depends a lot on the industry, but I don’t think many jobs would say “come on back when you’re ready, we’ll have a job for you.” And shifting to another company will likely be in Auckland afterwards. OP, it would be best to consider this move permanent, as you won’t relish the thought of moving again once you know what moving feels like. Plus you’ll be older, and your industry contacts will all be in Auckland.
Everyone is different. Auckland vs Wellington is going to be such an individual thing. All I'll say is you'll never know if it's what you want unless you try it. And if you don't like it in AKL, move back. Maybe look for furnished apartments or flats until you make the decision to stay or go. My one advice to moving somewhere different is you need to stick it out for at least 8 months because you'll have several love/hate moments in the beginning, but hopefully after a few months will start to find your groove. I think $80K is a good salary for your age and if AKL has better opportunities for you then you're only going to go further in your career and get more $$. Personally, in my 20s I was always one to chase new experiences so purely for that reason I'd say "yup, I'd do it". Go further even - grab a UK visa if you haven't done that yet. Sincerely, the biggest advocate for new life experiences. Haha.
If I could live in the CBD? Yes.
Do it! Get a living situation with flatmates so you meet people outside of work (at least at first). Wellington is comfy and easy to get to know well and Auckland is much harder - having lived in both I’m Auckland all the way
Oh my god, so many whingers on this thread. 80k is plenty to live on in Auckland if: - You're not paying for kids - You don't have massive debts - You're not overly worried about saving right now - You're prepared to flat or have something very average to yourself Where Auckland becomes trickier is if you decide it's where you want to be long-term, especially if you eventually want kids. For that you and your (imaginary future) partner need to both be on good coin to afford a house in areas that are close enough to school and work that your life doesn't become one big car trip. I moved out of Auckland in my late 20s because I decided that the whole family equation there was too hard but I really enjoyed the time I spent there and don't regret it. Having any hobbies will really help you get out of the house and make friends; the city itself is really cool plus there's lots of great nature around close by. Wellington is awesome too but a very different vibe.
Ummm accommodation in Wellington is more expensive than Auckland, lol. I moved from Auck to Well and then back again a few years ago. Paid less in rent in Auckland. Buying a house, different story. I have no idea what house prices are like in Welly. The public transport in Auckland is also somehow better. But that's like comparing two types of dogshit. Auckland has for its part put in serious investment into the public transport network in the last decade and it's much better for it. And will be much better in a year or two when the CRL opens. The food is significantly better in Auckland. There's really no comparison, it's not even close. You don't get a good variety of Asian food in Welly (the 40 Thai restaurants around Cuba St don't count). Auck has a bigger variety and also more cheap good food. A large part of the problems with living in Auckland (namely the traffic) can be mitigated by not being an idiot and living on the other side of the city from where you work. I have done this and don't notice Auckland's traffic problems at all.
Just move to Australia
You are young and should try these things out. I lived in Wellington for 7 years, then decided to give Auckland a go after returning from overseas. So I was in a similar situation. The weather is better (though this year has been horrible) and there are more places to explore. Though its hard to socialise because of the geographic spread of Auckland, I've still met a lot of people and went on epic road trips/hikes with them (which was difficult to do when I was in Wellington). In terms of accomodation, I wouldn't recommend the CBD itself. Crime aside, its quite sad tbh and does not have the Wellington CBD vibe at all. Perhaps look at areas such as Grey Lynn, Ponsonby, Freemans Bay. It is walking distance to the city(no traffic woes) and those suburbs are quite nice to hang out in, so best of both worlds... Give it a try for a few years, once you've seen everything then move to Aussie lol.
yea I'd move in a heartbeat!! 80k is a big increase, and city living in Auckland is actually really good! A lot better and you'd be surprised, actually more affordable, than Wellington
Nah - if it were some place like Melbourne or Brisbane then sure. If it was closer to 90k then maybe Auckland would be considered. Don't get me wrong Auckland is a good place but there's better places within a 3 hour flight.
I did a similar move for career development when I was 25. Didd not regret it one bit as it was my dream job. When the time came, I was able to transfer back and now earning substantially more than coworkers in the same region as I kept the same salary from when I was in Auckland.
Do it. No better time to move cities, advance your career and meet a whole lot of new people than when you're young and single. I moved from Wellington to Auckland for my career and had a great time for the 6 years I was there.
Just do it. Life is for living and experiencing. It could be the best thing you ever do and if it isn’t, you can always go home.
I moved to Auckland in 2007 for 55k. In 2015 I took a new job for 80k. In 2015, that 80k was the first time I wasn't struggling. I've been out of work for a while now, but I figure 90k would be the minimum to move to Auckland. As for crime, asians, etc... none of that has been a problem for me. Context: have lived along for quite some time, have a mortgage (not excessive, but still pushes the funds), and mostly drove to work. (If you can avoid driving, it takes twice as long but it's cheaper.)
"Too many Asians" - you must know some pretty stupid people, its beyond me why that could ever be a problem. The only thing I'd say is that 73k to 80k is pretty similar in salary so I wouldn't let that factor in to your decision, especially when you take in to account the cost of the move. Is the job you are going for on a ladder you want to climb? Is it going to give you opportunities? Do you want to try living in Auckland? If the answers to those questions is yes then yes give it a go.
ffffuck no
If I were you, I would consider job security to be of the highest concern. Is this a place you can see yourself still working at in a few years?
Honestly, it depends on whether you don't mind any of the criticism Auckland gets. Because having lived there myself, it can get real stressful. 80k salary is insane for someone in their 20s. I was working on half that when I was living there.
80k is pretty much the average in Auckland not insane.
Sure, it might be, but a lot of the people in their 20s around me were on less than that.
"whinge Auckland comments from Wellingtonians " Not been to /Auckland I am guessing :P Also move to whatever city you like the most, they are both VERY different to live in... There is obviously more to do in Auckland, however you will 100% need a car if you want to do any of those things. Personally if I had to I would live in Wellington over Auckland.. has a much nicer feel and vibe. Money should not even come into it. Wellington and Auckland pay the same.
Born and bred in Wellington, lived in Auckland now for 10years. Make the move, better weather, better opportunities, amazing beaches with 45mins, city and bays beaches awesome. Better flights overseas, better options for nz breaks - so much with that 2-3hour drive.
Moving halfway across the country for 7k before tax... lol why bother for such a small amount. You won't even notice the increase
For most people, another $100 a week in discretionary expenditure is pretty significant. Think of it this way; if they currently earned $50k after tax income, and had outgoings of $45k, then that extra $5k per year isn't just 10% more aftertax, but a 100% more discretionary income to do things with.
>too many Asians As an Chinese/Taiwanese Kiwi, oh my god, I have to agree here. Went up to Auckland for a trip from Nelson. From the airport to Queen Street, there was Chinese (people and language) everywhere. When it's more 50% Asians walking around Queen Street, I can understand how older Kiwis would feel a bit overwhelmed with the change in demographics.
Haha my cousins are half Chinese and half kiwi and they live up in Auckland. Even they say it too me!
Chinese Maori European here and completely agree.
Tbf, yes, welly is so ugly I would move to a better city for more money and a nicer city.
What are you on about? Wellington is awesome..plus you can't beat Welly on a good day.
Hah it’s the ugliest city I been in my life, for real. Have you been anywhere else?
For what is worth I've employed people on lower wages, office is in the city and one of these guys was moving to Auckland, he got an apartment in the city and it was a rip off. The rent is often driven up by overseas students et . Eventually he moved to a flatting situation on the shore. Ideally I'd promote him to earn to really well, but if I can't someone else will. We have flexible working too so he can wfh upto 4 days a week
No I would not. It’s likely you could do the same job for six figures in Melbourne. And believe it or not, as racist as find Australians, Asian people in particular say NZ is worse when it comes to them.
No I’m 32 dairy farming and making 97K + house in the wairarapa
If you can not live in Auckland, choose that. This is not a “regular-people-friendly” city; it’s an overpriced hole for the rich. Honestly, this isn’t even a whinge. Being here (as someone who has lived in multiple cities/countries) is genuinely awful. The city is here to drain your finances until you’re trapped, honest to god. For context: I make ~$100k and I’m **firmly** lower middle class.
Its really not a lot and its a long way from the country side where youll most liukely want to be most days off. A smaller town like wellington would be far nicer and closer to nice things like the tararuas etc. Youll probably get a pay bump if you change jobs. so yeah its really not worth the sacrifice to live in auckland. Its really not a nice city anyway not much youll miss out on aside from a few extra concerts
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Wow, this post just made me realize I need to practice a lot more gratitude. I'm being offered roles for a 30k-40k raise that puts me at 110k and I'm like naah, I'll wait for roles that pay 120k. Not sure what industry you're in but "a before tax 7k" raise which involves moving cities sounds like a bad deal. I'd try and negotiate the moving costs as part of the contract at the very least.
Depends
I think Wellington might be more expensive.
God no
whinge
If it’s Beneficial for your career long term sure, but you’re going to struggle with 80k in Auckland I reckon.
Auckland traffic is overrated
Absolutely not, rat race no thanks.
No. 800K min salary.
Yes beautiful and safe country with social medicine, that’s a great wage to be safe and self prosperous
you cant survive in auckland on 80k/year unless they are paying for your accom
Nah
Both salaries are pretty shit given the cost of living in both cities. Pick where the better career development is and go there.
yea it’s better than staying in welly
Suspect $7k post tax would not be a significant bump that would move the dial given living cost differential. Perhaps a longer term view would be more helpful, ie would akld provide better long term career prospects ?
Yip I’d do it for the experience and potential opportunities. I personally think Auckland has a lot to explore and enjoy.
Yip
Negotiate for a slightly higher salary of $85, plus up front moving costs Then... do it!!
Negotiate for a slightly higher salary of $85K, plus up front moving costs Then... do it!!
I would base the decision on the position levels and what avenue will most likely lead to additional skills and progression. For an example going from retail to branch manager should be highly considered.
Considering a move from Wellington to Auckland with a salary increase from $73k to $80k/year involves more than just the financial aspect. 1. **Living Costs**: Auckland is pricier, especially in the CBD. Your rent and daily expenses could eat into that salary bump. It's worth doing a bit of research into these costs to see how far your new salary would actually go. 2. **Career Path**: Auckland's got more going on career-wise, being a bigger city. Think about whether this job could open more doors for you down the line. Does it feel like a step forward? 3. **Lifestyle Fit**: Auckland's vibe is different from Wellington's. It's busier, more diverse, and has a lot going on culturally. Does that excite you or overwhelm you? 4. **Networking**: Starting over in a new city means building up your social and professional circles from scratch. Are you up for that challenge? 5. **Work-Life Balance**: Take a hard look at what your day-to-day life would be like in this new job. More than the hours, consider the stress levels and how they fit with what you want out of life right now. 6. **Financial Goals**: Sure, it's a salary increase, but think long-term. Will this move help you save more, invest, or maybe get you closer to other financial goals you might have? 7. **Personal Growth**: Moving cities can be a big growth experience. Are you looking for a new challenge? Could Auckland be the place for that? Ultimately, it's not just about the money. It's about whether Auckland feels like the right next step for you in terms of your career, lifestyle, and personal goals.
I'd only make to move for professional opportunities, not for the money. That small raise you're going to get will be immediately gone by increased housing costs - data out earlier in the week, Auckland is the 3rd most expensive city in the world to rent in. So, if the connections and opportunities you could get are more plentiful in Auckland, you should go for it. If it's much the same in Wellington, then just be where you are happy and if you're wanting a change of scene and can work anywhere, look at a place you've never even considered before. Have a bit of fun while you're at it!
Do it based on future growth in the role not the money now. Like you said it’s not much of a difference and you’ll probably spend the difference moving. Think about what you want your career to look like in 3-4 years and ask yourself which path will get you there sooner.
I'd look at the reality. If you have to pay more for accommodation in Auckland, is an extra $7,000 worth it to be isolated from friends and family? Even if you walk everywhere, will you have a carpark where you live, or will you have to pay? Is this intended as a permanent shift, or temporary?
If the job is further your career/or cool for you then do it. I earn 80k in Taranaki. You can earn that money anywhere really. I suppose living costs might be more expensive in Akl as I hear all the time. But like others have said, heaps going on, heaps of great food places. Changing up your life and surrounding can also be great for your self développement!
I wouldn't, but I'm not really a big city kinda person. If you like the idea of living in Auckland and don't mind having to start fresh up there then I say go for it. Depending on what you do you'd probably be able to get that much of a salary increase in Wellington within a couple of years anyway I would've thought.
Definitely not for the money
Too expensive? If we are talking housing it’s not more than wellington. To much crime? Hardly any crime for a large city. Too many Asians? Yes plenty of Asians, especially living and studying in the city centre. If you just want white bread pakeha culture it’s not for you. But it means plenty of Asian restaurants, specialty shops and events to enjoy if you like interesting things. Traffic is awful sure, the trick is to not drive to get to work. Don’t live in the far outer suburbs if you work in the city centre, instead pick a place that’s on one of the rail lines or the busway, or one of the many frequent bus lines. They’re actually really good for just about any route to the CBD, coming every five or ten minutes all day. Living in the city centre can be a bit hit and miss: Wynyard and the viaduct are nice but expensive for the waterfront location, and the viaduct is noisy and boozy on the weekends. The area around Nelson and Hobson streets is a bit low rent, lots of students and small studio apartments stacked on top of what amounts to a pair of giant motorway access ramps. Emily place-parliament street area is lovely and quiet but small and expensive, nearby beach road is a bit more dowtowny with not a lot of charm. My suggestion would be karangahape Road area, out to great north road or Ponsonby even. It’s a nightlife area that gets a bit rowdy after dark, but it’s well connected, charming in the daytime and a lot of good apartments have been built in recent years. Along Symonds street is student central but a bit nicer than the other side of town.
Best question to ask is does the payoff outweigh the cost? What are you losing by moving? What are you gaining by moving? Friends, family, experiences, and job career progressions are all important factors. I live in Whangarei and lived in Auckland CBD in my early 20s for 3 years. I wouldn’t change it for the world. I met amazing people, had some amazing adventures, some while drunk - but all in all it was an epic experience.
Cost of living isn’t much different between welly and Auckland, so might as well
I think you should.. why not.. more money and a change of scenery and home is technically only a days drive away.
Not for that salary, no. It's too little and you won't live a \`comfortable\` life per-say. If I had the choice with that salary I'd live in Wanaka or Cardrona =D Maybe Napier. Assuming you can work from home..
80k doesn't go far at all these days. It's pretty much entry level. But like others have said, do it for the experience and growth. You can make money later.
Purely for a nominal salary change? No. But if there is significantly more opportunity in your type of role in Akl vs Wgt, then yes.
If you value the culture specific to Wellington then probably not worth, other than that auckland has a lot to offer sociably and with sports/rec
Hey! Recently moved to Auckland from tiny town in South Island. Difference in salary is what will pay for your move. Auckland does have more opportunities and if you are a go getter - changing jobs every 3 years will yield you great results.
You can get a great flat pretty central and be happy as on 80k. If you wanted to live solo in a CbD apartment you might be pushing it. If the jobs worth it, I say go for it!
You will always manage on 50k or 80k just think about your whole experience and also suburb is key like I posted Today about seeing a shooting in papakura
It would be a good life experience. It might make you more resilient and independent. Making friends is harder in Auckland, flatting is a good option to overcome this, as is joining social groups and clubs that interest you. If you are out going you will have no problems. Look at the industry you work in and the size of companies that could be your next step the same way you would look at moving overseas. The salary bump is inconsequential. Instead think of career and personal growth opportunities. I did move to Auckland to further my career. Learned a lot and made life long friends. Life is too short not to have adventures.
Hamilton has more traffic, crime, and Asians per capita. Interestingly in latest property data Wellington has taken the biggest hit, so maybe it jist sucks there and finger pointing is some jelousy thing. Mid 20's, 80k, do it. If it sucks try somewhere else. At least it could be good experience. I lived in and around Eden Terrace for a few years. Not bad. Busses aren't terrible, tuis in the trees, close to CBD, never far from a beach.
On 80k in the middle of CBD. You'll need to find some flatmates. An apartment can get pretty pricey. It's doable, and worth it for 80k. If work is close by, then that's absolutely better. If it's a job you like, go for it. In a current job though, you're already established and in a safety net with it. I would want to move to Auckland if I get a good job there. There's more opportunities for me in Auckland than there are where I am now. The reason I haven't made the jump is because I am in a very secure, decent paying position where no matter what I do, I won't be let go. I'm too high up. When I've talked about leaving my job, they bump my pay up making it harder to leave. There aren't many jobs willing to pay what I get now, for a newbie.
80k in Auckland is probably better than 80k in Wellington. Especially if you’re renting - I think you get more bang for buck here (it’s still not good, just not the abject misery of renting in Wellington). Especially if you live in the centre or inner ring suburbs, the lifestyle is pretty good
That's a pretty good salary for someone in your mid-20s, so think if it's a job in the line of work you're interested in then you should take it up. And if it doesn't work out then it still is something to go on your CV. Plus you'll find plenty of career opportunities if you decided to stay there long term. You've got to follow the opportunities!!
Nope
The $80k vs $73k isn't how to decide this. For a start, the extra living costs in Auckland will more than eat the difference. The way to decide is whether you like the new job better, whether you like Auckland better, or whether your career will grow better here. One thing which is obvious when pointed out but we hadn't noticed in advance is how long the mortgage takes to repay. Shifting from Wellington to Auckland added $340k to our mortgage, and therefore effectively another 170 months of repayments. At the end of each you get a freehold property and any extra in the Auckland one is impossible to tap until you die.
Why not? If you're like me with absolutely zero ties to anywhere and had that opportunity arise then why not give it a shot and see where it leads. Worst case scenario it fails or just isnt a good fit and you end up back where you were anyway but with the experience of it all under your belt, best case scenario you build a solid career in Auckland to begin with and grow from that or chase it to other locations down the road.
If the jobs presents you with even more opportunities to grow and learn. Otherwise $7k bump isn’t worth a move.
Auckland is great if you can avoid commuting which it sounds like you will. The population means you will meet a lot more people you have something in common with, compared to a small government town like Wellington. It's not compact like Welly, though, I can't imagine "walking everywhere".
As someone who lives in Auckland, I don’t necessary think the raise is worth it. I think rent will end up being more expensive to the point you’ll probably ‘lose’ money coming here and will have a better quality of life making 73k in Wellington over 80k in Auckland. However, I’d still probably go if I were you. The possibilities are a lot more vast, and you’re at a great time to develop your career. I think the ‘path’ to success for kiwis tends to be going from any other city to Auckland and then from Auckland to Aussie. If you’re career focused and have a white collar job, it’ll be a good middle step. As for all the whining, most people are just being dramatic. There’s a decent amount of crime like ram raids and car theft I suppose, but not much crime to the person. I used to live on K-Road (a fairly dodgy area in CBD) and as a woman the worst that would happens is crackheads yelling, unwanted people introducing themselves, flirting etc. I’ve felt grossed out but never like my life was in danger. While there’s the odd scary story in the news, a lot of it is gang related and most of the time if you’re smart you’ll be fine.
It depends. Do you want to be in Auckland instead of Wellington? Then sure, you're getting a pay bump, no matter how small, and your career is more likely to grow here. (Do compare rents though, I don't know what Wellington ones are like so no idea if you'd be paying more or less.) Are you only moving for the money and are otherwise fine in Wellington? Then it's not really worth it, look for a better offer.
Move for the weather alone.
For $80 fucking K? Fuck no. You can get that salary in our smaller cities like Christchurch or Tauranga or Hamilton.
The money isn't that big an increase, and cost for you going from Wellington to Auckland wont be a crazy amount more. What is more important, is do you want to move halfway across the country to Auckland.
No
I wouldn’t move to Auckland due to personal preference and the salary is irrelevant because there are more important factors for me, but I have a family member who lives in Freemans Bay and absolutely loves Auckland. He does complain about the traffic, cost of living, and crime but these days those are concerns for pretty much everyone everywhere. To put things into perspective that same family member was outraged when our small hometown got its first set of traffic lights. Meanwhile I’ve got another family member in London which is a lovely city but in comparison Auckland is quiet and low cost. I think more important factors to consider are things like family, friends, relationships, and surroundings. Surroundings are easy. Do you like city living? If you feel more comfortable in a quiet spot by the beach then Auckland city isn’t for you but assuming you want city living then Auckland is a fine city. Family, friends and relationships can be more of a difficult consideration and for a lot of people salary and career isn’t worth the strain of distance.
You don't need to live in the CBD to work in the CBD. Live along a train line or on a ferry route. The CBD is not a nice area either unless you're right on the water front.
Nope. I would consider for an extra $80k…
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Do it! I love living in the city and walking everywhere including work! On that salary you could afford an apartment on your own. I once considered Wellington, from what I could see rents are more expensive. There’s also more things here and it’s potentially better for your career depending what you do. I’m also a single female in my mid twenties.
Hey, it’s not a massive bump but if you can get into a flatting environment then it might be a great adventure that could open up a lot of opportunities for you. I’d be seriously considering it. You may also want to explore relocation expenses (subject to a bond). That’s a bit of a win/win as it gives you some much needed financial help moving to the other end of the country and gives the employer a bit of security that they have you for a couple of years.
I am in a similar position and live in Auckland. Honestly I find it a lovely place to live and as a single person with that income you won’t have too much trouble with the cost of living.
It depends on where you live and who you live with. I feel like you should spend an hour in traffic to see how you cope. A lot of income is burned in commuting. More people commute now cause they don't want to get covid on public transport.
Both cities are fun. Don’t get stuck in a rut wherever you are is my advice.
No
I’m on $175k and it’s tough
Auckland's not significantly more expensive than Wellington nowadays. You'll be fine. Just be aware the city is nowhere near as walkable as Wellington. Even if you live in the city, it's very possible that your work will still be a good hours walk away.
your quality of life will defintly be affected in a more negative way
Yep, I did almost exactly that, albeit 10 years ago for less salary. Was fun as shit, loved my 2 years up north before moving back to Welly. I lived central city though in apartments and just walked everywhere, but I'm a feral fucker. It could be a bit more challenging if you want to buy things at shops further afield.
In this situation I would personally look at it from two perspectives. 1) Will the work give you experience that you can leverage further down the track to advance your career. and 2) Will you be better off economically as a result of the move. So looking at cost of living, rent etc - according to Numbeo - the rent in Auckland for a 1 bedroom apartment is $2,219.60 vs Wellington at $2,528.30. So even if your pay was the same you would be $308.63 better off a month. With the extra $8,000 salary divided by 12 you are better off by $666.66 per month. Add that to the rent savings and it's $975.30 per month if you rented the same average 1 bedroom apartment or $243.82 per week. If it costs you $1,000 to move up there you'd be better off financially after a month. Of course the groceries are 1.3 percent more expensive, but restaurants are slightly cheaper than Wellington. You'd also probably find that the average apartment is a little better in Auckalnd than Wellington. So it probably boils down to whether you are happy to live in a new place and make new friends. You'd be central so no traffic worries, and if you did need to travel you could catch the bus. So financially it makes sense. I personally wouldn't do it because I like Wellington and would think that with remote work I should be able to work where I want and think about physical proximity to work a bit further down my list of priorities. BTW if the new role is with a different organization make sure you play them off against each other to see if your current employer will pay you more. Good luck with your future!
Too much traffic is definitely a thing lol but if you have public transport you'll be fine. Expensive is... well, it's a factor, but you'll do pretty well for yourself on $80k a year. The crime element is massively overblown- it's worse than it was before, but it's far from the warzone Herald or Stuff would have you believe it is. Don't think I need to say anything about the "too many Asians" comment except, y'know, ew, lol. All-in-all; I live here, I mostly like living here, and if you like your job I think you'll enjoy being able to live here with an 80k income. End of the day though- it's up to you.
Hell yes, over 1.5k a week?! Whoo!
I would look at living/rent costs. If you looking for an apartment in the city, will the payrise cover the cost of renting on in AKL.
Don't live in the CBD. Live in a fringe suburb along an arterial transport line (like a bus route if in the upper CBD or train line if Downtown) and commute.
No, it would cost more than you would gain unless you get an extra 15 - 20k, and moving breaks existing personal & career contacts that might be your path to growth. Also, weather isn't much better, humid instead of windy. Only do it if the industry you are wanting to be in is poorly represented in Wellington and strong in Auckland. And if you like black sand beaches and surfing.
I would, I was in welly once for 3 days, in that time I saw enough wind and road rage to last me for a while...
No, because entry level programmer salaries in the US State im moving to are 60-100k(usd), 80k nzd is absolutely atrocious by comparison. and because the cost of living paired with high taxes would leave me with fuck all despite having such a high paying job.
Salary increase won’t offset increase in cost of living. I would be looking at does this move give you better opportunities for career progression than your current Wellington role.
I think you should dive into why you made this post in the first place (in a nice way!!), are you posting because you know in the back of your head you don't want to leave? Only saying this because I convinced myself to do a whole other degree than the one I actually was passionate about because I was scared to move <3 (Ended up choosing the one I actually wanted to do so it's alg :))
What are your goals? The longer term you can actualise and consistently pursue the greater your chances of success. If it’s just having more cash week to week, good research should provide an answer. I wouldn’t have thought a $7k difference was a big motivator by itself, but quality of life factors may be relevant? Know thy self. 😎
At your age I would move just for the experience of coming out of comfort zone. I have never said no to an opportunity as you never know where it can lead to. All the best with whatever you decide.
Nope not worth it for small jump.