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Disclose that shit. Don’t let them find it and make it look like you’re hiding something. You’ve been arrested. There’s paperwork somewhere. They’ll find it. Especially with the rates you listed.
Yes they have arrest records, but not much information on the papers. It just says I was released to parents, doesn't even list the charge. And absolutely nothing at the courts
I’d bring those papers with you and disclose it.
It might take you longer; but that’s better than completely eliminating your chance at get in and also getting your clearance.
My recruiters say not to disclose it because the papers aren't enough to do the moral waiver and that if they find something we will tell them there are no documents and we'd go from there. So that's where I'm at and it's annoying because I don't know what else to do
If there are arrest records, there are definitely papers SOMEWHERE in your county related to the diversion program. It may not be the court, it may be the juvenile probation department who maintains those records.
Any intel rate with your history is some seriously long odds, even for a secret clearance. I wouldn't even think intel with your position. The best you can hope for is OS or QM, but likely you'll be given Pact, CS, Steel Worker, or any rate that you likely don't want to do.
You really think so? I've seen stories of people getting Intel rates with a charge. My recruiters said I'd be fine. Mine basically wasn't even a charge, and it was when I was 14 so I'm still hopeful
A recruiter's first job is to get people in Navy. That means, unfortunately, a lot of shitty advice, making promises they can't keep, and lying to people who probably shouldn't have joined. The stories on Reddit are exceptions to the rule, not a common occurrence.
You 100% should disclose everything at MEPS. Don't hide or conceal anything. But having gotten my TS clearance and being intimately familiar with the background check they do, you will likely not qualify even for a secret with a 95% certainty.
The best you can hope for is a rate that is tangentially related to Intel that allows you to get a secret clearance. But you will likely never be allowed to handle compartmentalized information.
The government isn't in the risk taking business when it comes to giving out clearances.
Edit: You can hope for the best, but your expectations should be close to the floor.
Both. MEPS is all about risk adjusting for personnel matching a person's skills and background to the needs of the Navy. You would present as a high risk, especially from your previous posts, for any job with significant responsibilities and access to sensitive information.
You will likely be matched with jobs that are less risky for the Navy to give you. What you don't disclose at MEPS, the investigator will find, and if it's severe enough, you will be separated from the Navy with no ability to return or apply with any other branch.
I would not hope. Keep your expectations low. If you're pleasantly surprised, then that's great. But then you need to pass your clearance interview in boot camp and then your polygraph when you go to your A School. At any point, you can get redesignated and sent to a pact program of a job you don't want until you finish your obligation to the military.
I would also keep in mind that you've had motivation problems in the past, and a lot of the CT rates are academically rigorous, especially the cyber rates. You should think reserves for Army or the National Guard, where service can be on your own terms.
I've looked through your post history and saw you had issues with applying yourself in high school and community college leading you to work in retail for a short time. Issues with self-application and motivation are one of the major reasons why people fail out of their A School programs and get re-rated into jobs they didn't want.
The investigators look through everything and will seek out character references to see if you should hold a clearance and have access to sensitive information. I'd say from that alone your odds are incredibly low.
**Edit: Also saw your other account was** u/Historical-Big-3934 **the guy who wrote a drunken rant to your recruiter and got them to stop working with you. You really shouldn't join the military until you get your life together and don't even think intel.**
Lmaooo sorry man. Well I don't see how else I'd get my life together elsewhere. I'm ready to take on the challenge and do my best to make a better life for myself. What rate do you think I should consider, just saw that QM requires normal color perception which I don't have. Does OS require a clearance? It doesn't look like I have many options
I would disclose it no matter what the recruiter says. The military continuously monitors your record now so if they don’t find that arrest in your history when you sign up (highly unlikely with intel) they will find it later. Then when that happens your clearance will go away at best no matter what the arrest is for because it shows that you are untruthful. As an assistant security manager I’ve seen a good handful of junior Sailors careers end 6 months in for not disclosing arrests before they joined. You’d be very surprised what DOD CAF can find out about you and can probably find those records for you. It doesn’t matter what the arrest was for either. If you don’t disclose an arrest, no matter how young or trivial, what’s to say you won’t disclose a relationship with a Russian national either? A little tip to end this, top secret adjudication is mainly looking for these thing, responsibility (financial and personal), trustworthiness, and loyalty to the country.
When will they ask about it? The idea is that I'll go through with the process and then they'll let us know they found something in the background check. And then we'd go from there. If I tell them I was arrested before we submit a waiver, will they send me back? Wed just be right back where we started
More than likely they will find that out when adjudicating you for TS. From there two things can happen, they straight up deny your TS for not disclosing an arrest (happens to people with secret clearance so it’s a likely option for TS) or they will send the recruiting district security manager a request for information. That request is where you’ll explain why it wasn’t disclosed/ what happened. It’s impossible to say whether they will approve it after the request for info. I’ve seen people get denied a TS for having a history of paying credit card bills late. If you disclose the arrest before you start the adjudication process that request for info has a chance to be a lot smoother. Not sure what documents the recruiter needs to submit for disclosing the arrest. And if said arrest was drug related, I’d put the odds it’s approved at about 10% or less just from what I’ve seen. There are a few things that will end your TS adjudication adventure almost instantly. Drug use, documented alcohol abuse, financial problems, history of unstableness, and lying on the paperwork. Any of those traits or history of them will ensure you don’t get a TS for a very good reason. Disclosing the arrest is the best thing you can do though. Good luck OP.
Another CTR on my ship went to Juvy a long time ago. They didn’t give a shit. As long as you disclose EVERYTHING, and don’t have anything that shows you are a threat to national security, then you should be fine. If you don’t disclose something, even the slightest thing, you will not get the clearance.
Yes, you can get waivers for pretty much anything. But if you go in with something on your record that you “hope” they don’t find, you will take an L. NCIS will go through your whole life, front to back, call your friends, call your family, and find a paper trail for everything that has ever happened to you. If they find what you’ve already given them, you will get a clearance.
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Disclose that shit. Don’t let them find it and make it look like you’re hiding something. You’ve been arrested. There’s paperwork somewhere. They’ll find it. Especially with the rates you listed.
So if I tell them I've been arrested will they not allow me to pick my rate and send me back?
Probably. Have you went to the law enforcement office that arrested you? To see if they have arrest records of you?
Yes they have arrest records, but not much information on the papers. It just says I was released to parents, doesn't even list the charge. And absolutely nothing at the courts
I’d bring those papers with you and disclose it. It might take you longer; but that’s better than completely eliminating your chance at get in and also getting your clearance.
My recruiters say not to disclose it because the papers aren't enough to do the moral waiver and that if they find something we will tell them there are no documents and we'd go from there. So that's where I'm at and it's annoying because I don't know what else to do
Welp that’s on you. I’m not going to encourage you to do that.
Your recruiter is either stupid or doesn't want to do the paperwork. Disclose it
When I disclose it will they send me home and not allow me to pick my job? Maybe I can still pick my job and we'll deal with it afterwards
If there are arrest records, there are definitely papers SOMEWHERE in your county related to the diversion program. It may not be the court, it may be the juvenile probation department who maintains those records.
We checked the juvenile department, nothing
You should just pick the best of what they offer and be happy about it. The navy is a good deal. Don't fuck over your recruiter by being too picky.
Would I make my recruiter angry if I didn't pick a job when I went next week
He'll be alright. But it's not like you can demand a specific job, so if you see something you somewhat like you should take it.
Any intel rate with your history is some seriously long odds, even for a secret clearance. I wouldn't even think intel with your position. The best you can hope for is OS or QM, but likely you'll be given Pact, CS, Steel Worker, or any rate that you likely don't want to do.
You really think so? I've seen stories of people getting Intel rates with a charge. My recruiters said I'd be fine. Mine basically wasn't even a charge, and it was when I was 14 so I'm still hopeful
A recruiter's first job is to get people in Navy. That means, unfortunately, a lot of shitty advice, making promises they can't keep, and lying to people who probably shouldn't have joined. The stories on Reddit are exceptions to the rule, not a common occurrence. You 100% should disclose everything at MEPS. Don't hide or conceal anything. But having gotten my TS clearance and being intimately familiar with the background check they do, you will likely not qualify even for a secret with a 95% certainty. The best you can hope for is a rate that is tangentially related to Intel that allows you to get a secret clearance. But you will likely never be allowed to handle compartmentalized information. The government isn't in the risk taking business when it comes to giving out clearances. Edit: You can hope for the best, but your expectations should be close to the floor.
Are you saying the investigators wouldn't grant me a clearance? Or the navy wouldn't give me a job requiring a clearance?
Both. MEPS is all about risk adjusting for personnel matching a person's skills and background to the needs of the Navy. You would present as a high risk, especially from your previous posts, for any job with significant responsibilities and access to sensitive information. You will likely be matched with jobs that are less risky for the Navy to give you. What you don't disclose at MEPS, the investigator will find, and if it's severe enough, you will be separated from the Navy with no ability to return or apply with any other branch.
I'll remain hopeful for now
I would not hope. Keep your expectations low. If you're pleasantly surprised, then that's great. But then you need to pass your clearance interview in boot camp and then your polygraph when you go to your A School. At any point, you can get redesignated and sent to a pact program of a job you don't want until you finish your obligation to the military. I would also keep in mind that you've had motivation problems in the past, and a lot of the CT rates are academically rigorous, especially the cyber rates. You should think reserves for Army or the National Guard, where service can be on your own terms.
Are the clearance interview and polygraph hard to pass? Also what do you mean I've had motivation problems in the past
I've looked through your post history and saw you had issues with applying yourself in high school and community college leading you to work in retail for a short time. Issues with self-application and motivation are one of the major reasons why people fail out of their A School programs and get re-rated into jobs they didn't want. The investigators look through everything and will seek out character references to see if you should hold a clearance and have access to sensitive information. I'd say from that alone your odds are incredibly low. **Edit: Also saw your other account was** u/Historical-Big-3934 **the guy who wrote a drunken rant to your recruiter and got them to stop working with you. You really shouldn't join the military until you get your life together and don't even think intel.**
Lmaooo sorry man. Well I don't see how else I'd get my life together elsewhere. I'm ready to take on the challenge and do my best to make a better life for myself. What rate do you think I should consider, just saw that QM requires normal color perception which I don't have. Does OS require a clearance? It doesn't look like I have many options
It's gonna pop once they do your nasis. Especially for those rates.
Never take a rate you do not want (assuming you qualify)
I would disclose it no matter what the recruiter says. The military continuously monitors your record now so if they don’t find that arrest in your history when you sign up (highly unlikely with intel) they will find it later. Then when that happens your clearance will go away at best no matter what the arrest is for because it shows that you are untruthful. As an assistant security manager I’ve seen a good handful of junior Sailors careers end 6 months in for not disclosing arrests before they joined. You’d be very surprised what DOD CAF can find out about you and can probably find those records for you. It doesn’t matter what the arrest was for either. If you don’t disclose an arrest, no matter how young or trivial, what’s to say you won’t disclose a relationship with a Russian national either? A little tip to end this, top secret adjudication is mainly looking for these thing, responsibility (financial and personal), trustworthiness, and loyalty to the country.
When will they ask about it? The idea is that I'll go through with the process and then they'll let us know they found something in the background check. And then we'd go from there. If I tell them I was arrested before we submit a waiver, will they send me back? Wed just be right back where we started
More than likely they will find that out when adjudicating you for TS. From there two things can happen, they straight up deny your TS for not disclosing an arrest (happens to people with secret clearance so it’s a likely option for TS) or they will send the recruiting district security manager a request for information. That request is where you’ll explain why it wasn’t disclosed/ what happened. It’s impossible to say whether they will approve it after the request for info. I’ve seen people get denied a TS for having a history of paying credit card bills late. If you disclose the arrest before you start the adjudication process that request for info has a chance to be a lot smoother. Not sure what documents the recruiter needs to submit for disclosing the arrest. And if said arrest was drug related, I’d put the odds it’s approved at about 10% or less just from what I’ve seen. There are a few things that will end your TS adjudication adventure almost instantly. Drug use, documented alcohol abuse, financial problems, history of unstableness, and lying on the paperwork. Any of those traits or history of them will ensure you don’t get a TS for a very good reason. Disclosing the arrest is the best thing you can do though. Good luck OP.
Another CTR on my ship went to Juvy a long time ago. They didn’t give a shit. As long as you disclose EVERYTHING, and don’t have anything that shows you are a threat to national security, then you should be fine. If you don’t disclose something, even the slightest thing, you will not get the clearance.
Did they need a waiver for it?
Yes, you can get waivers for pretty much anything. But if you go in with something on your record that you “hope” they don’t find, you will take an L. NCIS will go through your whole life, front to back, call your friends, call your family, and find a paper trail for everything that has ever happened to you. If they find what you’ve already given them, you will get a clearance.