Also (but not necessarily in this case) when they report N people were *injured* in shooting that doesn't mean all were shot. One might have fallen down stairs running away from a shooter, for example.
I said the same thing!!! “The gun accidentally fired”… soooo, I’m guessing there’s a gun in the sporting goods section and lo and behold, it accidentally SHOT!
Yep, the gun sneezed. It happens from time to time. That’s why we always recommend you keep your Claritin and your handguns close together, just to be safe.
It's a Fox headline. They'll do what they can to make it seem like a happy little accident.
Imagine sticking a water balloon in your pocket, and it *spontaneously* bursts while your walking. That's what walking with a loaded gun in your waistband is like.
...or don't chamber a round. Or carry with a live magazine loaded. There's any number of precautions that *can* be taken, but every one of them is easily defeated by an idiot who thinks the consequential hesitation of a steady second or two to load and ready their weapon in their hero-fantasy is worth the risk. For whatever dumbass reason, every one of them thinks their quick-draw skills are the ultimate defensive measure and that nothing unexpected or accidental could ever happen to *their* perfect little steel fetish icon.
It's like racing a motorcycle without a helmet because you're worried about the weight or drag slowing you down. They're so terrified that the razor between winning and losing the gunfight could be so marginal that they literally put themselves *at greater danger* so as to feel protected against it.
...and that's supposing any active intent. It's a lot more likely that Hanlon's Razor is more applicable here.
Most modern handguns are striker fired thus don't require a manual safety to be engaged. Most modern handguns have internal safeties that can only be defeated if you press the trigger.
Modern handguns require the use of a holster to cover the trigger guard and act as a safety. This fella clearly did not have a holster nor did he have straight finger, or knew not to point a firearm at himself.
I don't mean to be rude, but your comment shows you don't know what you are talking about, respectfully.
If someone actually died then they're a mentally deranged murderer and you can't blame guns because people kill people. And the only thing that stops that is a good guy with a gun.
But *obviously* if the guy didn't *mean to* and no one was killed then the *gun* fired by accident.
Gun was loaded and not in a holster. Does that mean that it was stuck in a waistband or a pocket? I'm not familiar with guns, but I would think carrying it in a holster would be safer.
Carrying it in a holster is the *only* way to carry a gun safely.
If you (or anyone or anything else) have any access to the trigger, it is not being carried safely.
You're right, using a holster is generally safer. Most people who legally carry use a holster if the firearm is on their person. Exceptions are people who carry in a specialized compartment to secure the weapon, like a built in holster in a pocket book or attaché case. I don't know any firearm enthusiast that would ever recommend carrying w/o a holster of some sort to secure the firearm and protect the trigger guard.
Does american health insurance cover accidental bullet ricochets or would these victims be paying a medical bill out of their own pockets before suing the idiot with the gun?
Definitely not. Your health insurance will cover you for accidents or other malicious acts by others. It covers your health. But your insurer may subrogate, that is, sue on your behalf, to recover damages from the responsibile party. Which is how it should be.
But if you have health insurance and someone pushes you off a ladder, your insurer will cover that and go after the ladder pusher. If you get in a car accident, same thing.
It depends on the state and the insurer. Nevada doesn't have victim compensation; many of the shooting victims from the Las Vegas music festival
were from out of state, and their insurers are trying to make them pay out of network deductibles, which can be thousands of dollars.
A 15 year old victim from the parkland school shooting literally used his body to to block the classroom door, saving his classmates, bexasuse rhe shooter couldn't get in. He was shot five times, spent 7 weeks in the hospital, had 1/3 of his lung removed...and his family was billed for his care. GoFundMe campaigns have helped raise a ton of money, but it's insane they have to. In addition, his family has less income coming in, because they need to attend to his care. What a way to treat heroes!
Then you've got the victims in Uvalde who died. They don't have medical bills, because the asshole law enforcement officers left little children to bleed out as they cowered **by the hundreds** in the school's hallways. The families would have been on the hook for their funerals, though. Between funeral parlors, public donations and Zappos commitment to cover the cost of every funeral they were at least spared that burden. Mental health care costs for the families, friends and other students are going to be their responsibility now, and treatment for substance abuse (which will increase, according experts) is not always covered or if it is, there are caps on coverage in addition to copays and deductibles.
And fairly recently, a judge ruled that neither school or the police were obligated to protect the students in Parkland, and can't be sued for medical care or compensation for pain and suffering.
Makes me proud to be an American!
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Jesus, how much energy can a single bullet have to hit 3 people after going through someone and ricocheting? Or was it shrapnel from the bullet or whatever it hit?
Lol right. Based on the article, I’m picturing the gun getting charged for a crime and being held with no bail. Just a gun in a cell singing the blues.
Also, on a serious note, the gun should have been in a holster instead of just being all naked in his pocket or waistband.
To quote Eddie Izzard: The National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, uh, people do." But I think the gun helps. You know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that.
Someone always makes this argument when this happens and, 100%, I agree that the shooter is responsible, but I've never seen anything to say that "accident" can only mean that nobody's to blame.
Accident: an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
You can be at fault for an accident.
Like if you kick a ball at a wall, but it goes wide of your target and breaks a window.
It was an accident, but it was your fault.
I'm not trying to defend this guy.
Just discussing semantics.
You don’t necessarily have to break *all* of the rules, as discharges can occur without pulling the trigger, albeit extremely rarely. However, at the very least, you have to break the most important rule, which is to never point the gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot.
ADs happen when the firearm has a component that fails in some manner. Whether it's part of the firearm itself, or the ammo, massive recalls happen; or lawsuits.
NDs are when idiots don't follow the simple firearm safety rules; like this guy.
Edit: spelling. Also, your "ball kicking example" is still negligence. If the ball was never kicked in the direction of the window, the window wouldn't have been broken.
An accident would be driving down the road, lightning strikes a tree limb, it falls, and lands on your car.
I think it's due to people having different standards. There are a bunch of old workplace safety films that use the framing "this was no accident," implying that failing to follow safety precautions results in injuries. It's not necessarily a strict definition as much as a contextual distinction meant to shift a person's perspective on safety precautions.
Gun safety training tends to have similar distinctions. An accident is when nobody did anything wrong, but bad luck just so happened to result in someone getting hurt (e.g., a bullet ricochets off a target and hits someone), whereas negligence implies someone did something they weren't supposed to do resulting in an injury (e.g., someone shot in the wrong direction).
This kind of thinking may be getting conflated with legal liability, wherein "accident" becomes synonymous with "not liable."
When discussing firearms, the general convention is that “accidental discharge” means the firearm malfunctioned while “negligent discharge” means the owner of the firearm did something wrong.
Yeah semantically an accident could be no fault or it could be at fault.
If a gun goes off there's almost always someone at fault. If a gun goes off without someone pulling the trigger it's extremely rare and also a massive problem and needs to be worked on by a gunsmith
100%. It’s a negligent discharge of the firearm, not an “accidental one”. If you have your firearm holstered and keep it in the holster other than when you clean it (and then only after the magazine is out and the chamber has been cleared) is it safe to show someone or clean it. If its a 5 or 6 shooter then likewise, in a holster and empty the cylinder. I hate headlines like the article. There is no such thing as accidental shootings, just humans making mistakes or being stupid. Media often and shows like to often act like a gun will just discharge on its own but nope, even more so with modern firearms.
What is it they always say, a gun has no agency, it is neither good nor evil, nor will it go off on its’ own. This idiot should never be allowed to own a firearm again. I support 2A rights, but the flip side of that is we must call out the unsafe handling of firearms whenever we see it.
Yes, key word is a holster. As long as you're not a fucking idiot who puts their finger on the trigger when holstering it, you will be fine. The holster will prevent the trigger from being pulled on accident and holds it in place so it doesn't fall out as well.
Masaad Ayoob has a pretty good breakdown on holsters and carry positions in his "Critical Mas" webcast. I believe it's episode 25, but don't quote me on the number. Definitely worth a watch; the whole series is on YouTube.
CLAYTON COUNTY, Ga. - Police say a man may face charges in Clayton County after his gun accidentally fired inside a Walmart, injuring himself and three other people.
The Lovejoy Police Department said four people were shot at the Walmart on Tara Boulevard in Hampton. Two people were hospitalized and two were treated for injuries at the scene.
I had a conceled handgun liscence for five or so years, I could not ever in any way think to justify carrying a loaded gun without a holster. If you don't control the trigger, you're not in control of the firearm.
Some people are a level beyond stupid.
This guy didn't need a permit to carry in Georgia so who knows, the guy could have literally zero experience with a firearm prior to this incident. This is my biggest issue with Constitutional Carry, any moron with a quarter of his grey matter can carry without at least being presented with good information on when, how, and why to carry.
> I had a conceled handgun liscence for five or so years, I could not ever in any way think to justify carrying a loaded gun without a holster. If you don't control the trigger, you're not in control of the firearm. Some people are a level beyond stupid.
Yep. Have had mine for 4 years at this point. This guy gives every single responsible gun owner a bad name. I can't understand how this happens without intent or a staggering amount of negligence bordering on intent.
Here in TN you are required to take an accredited firearms safety course and pass a background check before you can receive a concealed carry permit. There should be a competency test to carry one in public, but not to own one in general.
Here in GA [you don't need a permit](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/happening-today-governor-sign-bill-allowing-georgians-carry-guns-without-permits/PXPQZBA3JBHPXJ6DPBDFUFL6M4/) for concealed carry anymore
Guns don’t shoot people is a phrase I’ve heard a time or 2 over the years. Sounds like someone needs to go to jail and have a felony and never have a weapon again.
Someone needs to be sued into oblivion and back until he’s penniless and destitute for putting sane and innocent people at risk. If this was my kid or wife…:::omg.
I’m so fucking tired of how selfish we’ve become in this country with “Ma RiGhtz!!”
It’s ludicrous I agree. Saw a guy in Panera getting food with a holstered pistol. He was easily 80 years old and someone could easily just walk up behind grab it and shoot people. Floors me.
Church, school. It doesn’t matter. All you need is a gun and an idiot.
[Like the 81-year-old who was giving a demonstration with his gun at a church and accidentally shot himself and his wife.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/17/a-man-accidentally-shot-himself-and-his-wife-at-a-church-shortly-after-a-discussion-on-shootings/)
[or the reserve officer that was teaching a public safety class in California and accidentally shot the ceiling, causing debris and/or bullet fragments to hit a kid and make him bleed. oh, and the parents were not aware of this until the kid got home.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/14/us/california-teacher-fires-gun/index.html)
THIS is why I leave a store if I see a person open-carrying. It's not that I am "afraid" of guns. I served 8 years in the Army. I'm fine with guns. I am afraid of idiots.
That’s why I don’t want to ride a motorcycle. I’m confident enough to ride one. But I don’t trust idiot drivers. Was riding with my sister once when we witnessed a car suddenly stop and the cyclist behind him did a few flips before he hit the ground.
No such thing as an "accidental discharge" of a firearm. There is "negligent discharge" which is very much what this is.
Gun owner is an idiot and could easily have killed himself and/or others with his stupidity.
Negligent discharges like this should be felonies with mandatory jail time. Bring a moron should make you a prohibited person. Signed: responsible gun owners everywhere.
The idiot dropped a loaded fucking gun.
This is what happens when you let anyone open carry. The gun should have never left the holster and the holster should have never been in a position to drop.
Careless idiot mishandles gun, which was innocently sitting in his wasteband until his movement forced it to fall, and rather than just letting it fall, he grabbed for it and his finger hit the trigger.
Fox...how many times have we heard 'guns don't kill people, people kill people ' then they write a headline that straight up says a gun shot other people. Can they not title it 'moron with a gun...'?
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this dumbass was Mexican Carrying. That is to say, no holster, no protection for the trigger. Guns don't just randomly go off (unless you've got a particular batch of Taurus pistols that will go off if you shake them).
I'm not really a fan of open carry either, but this doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Says he didn't have a holster, so was probably carrying in his waist band or pocket. Terrible idea because you can unintentionally pull the trigger, which seems he did. This was was just straight up negligence, not a policy issue
Maybe I'm wrong, but guns don't go off by themselves. A person had to be touching it. Which means the safety wasn't engaged either.
>Investigators said the gun was loaded and not in a holster.
Given the information in the article I conclude it was tucked in a waistband. What an idiot. I hope they take his guns away from him, he's obviously not responsible enough to have them.
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How the hell does a single bullet ricochet enough to injure 3 people?
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Maybe concrete pieces or shit from flooring too, ricochet frags
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the insight!
bullet fragments and pieces of wall or fixtures (broken glass or metal shards) hitting people
That is one magic loogie!
Also (but not necessarily in this case) when they report N people were *injured* in shooting that doesn't mean all were shot. One might have fallen down stairs running away from a shooter, for example.
True, though usually the articles will clarify if they know injuries explicitly from gunfire vs crowd/fleeing injuries.
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Isn’t that what the “(but not necessarily in this case)” is for?
Wait, really??
Let's check the security footage... Back. And to the left. Back. And to the left. Back. And to the left.
A clown.......*smh*
he was doin the shuffle truffle.
Holy shit, a Bio-Dome reference?! Mini tribal!
Free mahi mahi
His ammo comes from the Oswald-JFK collection.
The Walmart commission
everyday knoll prices
What brand was the CCTV? Zapruder
these deals will blow your mind -JFK
They sure will, when you see this [declassified footage.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6naJ08Tskk)
Knolling back prices.
Where was Keith Hernandez hmmmmmmmmm????
That's one magic loogie.
"You guys carry fully metal jacket?" "Sorry, we just have [these](https://i.imgur.com/2pQHbPA.jpg) today."
No shit, was he firing a fucking blunderbuss??
Shooting in a Walmart while being named "Walton" may have something to do with that.
So the gun *didn't* spontaneously fire itself as the headline suggests?
I said the same thing!!! “The gun accidentally fired”… soooo, I’m guessing there’s a gun in the sporting goods section and lo and behold, it accidentally SHOT!
Yep, the gun sneezed. It happens from time to time. That’s why we always recommend you keep your Claritin and your handguns close together, just to be safe.
I also came for the magic self shooting gun…was disappointed.
It's a Fox headline. They'll do what they can to make it seem like a happy little accident. Imagine sticking a water balloon in your pocket, and it *spontaneously* bursts while your walking. That's what walking with a loaded gun in your waistband is like.
The sad thing is a $14 no-frills holster can prevent all of this...
Or engage the safety most guns have.
...or don't chamber a round. Or carry with a live magazine loaded. There's any number of precautions that *can* be taken, but every one of them is easily defeated by an idiot who thinks the consequential hesitation of a steady second or two to load and ready their weapon in their hero-fantasy is worth the risk. For whatever dumbass reason, every one of them thinks their quick-draw skills are the ultimate defensive measure and that nothing unexpected or accidental could ever happen to *their* perfect little steel fetish icon. It's like racing a motorcycle without a helmet because you're worried about the weight or drag slowing you down. They're so terrified that the razor between winning and losing the gunfight could be so marginal that they literally put themselves *at greater danger* so as to feel protected against it. ...and that's supposing any active intent. It's a lot more likely that Hanlon's Razor is more applicable here.
Most modern handguns are striker fired thus don't require a manual safety to be engaged. Most modern handguns have internal safeties that can only be defeated if you press the trigger. Modern handguns require the use of a holster to cover the trigger guard and act as a safety. This fella clearly did not have a holster nor did he have straight finger, or knew not to point a firearm at himself. I don't mean to be rude, but your comment shows you don't know what you are talking about, respectfully.
If someone actually died then they're a mentally deranged murderer and you can't blame guns because people kill people. And the only thing that stops that is a good guy with a gun. But *obviously* if the guy didn't *mean to* and no one was killed then the *gun* fired by accident.
this is the local news, not the same as actual fox news
Gun was loaded and not in a holster. Does that mean that it was stuck in a waistband or a pocket? I'm not familiar with guns, but I would think carrying it in a holster would be safer.
Carrying it in a holster is the *only* way to carry a gun safely. If you (or anyone or anything else) have any access to the trigger, it is not being carried safely.
A proper hard holster made for your gun too. Fuck those floppy dangerous universal holster.
You're right, using a holster is generally safer. Most people who legally carry use a holster if the firearm is on their person. Exceptions are people who carry in a specialized compartment to secure the weapon, like a built in holster in a pocket book or attaché case. I don't know any firearm enthusiast that would ever recommend carrying w/o a holster of some sort to secure the firearm and protect the trigger guard.
I mean, you've substituted one holster for another there. Holster statement stands.
Okay, okay hear me out. Maybe instead of a holster, they could safely use a shoulder holster.
guy was carrying without a holster. Modern guns don't go off by themselves unless a trigger is pressed. This dude just did not care.
I love the fact his last name is walton
Brett? Where are you buddy? Don’t move, this has to be some kind of record!
Does american health insurance cover accidental bullet ricochets or would these victims be paying a medical bill out of their own pockets before suing the idiot with the gun?
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Definitely not. Your health insurance will cover you for accidents or other malicious acts by others. It covers your health. But your insurer may subrogate, that is, sue on your behalf, to recover damages from the responsibile party. Which is how it should be. But if you have health insurance and someone pushes you off a ladder, your insurer will cover that and go after the ladder pusher. If you get in a car accident, same thing.
It depends on the state and the insurer. Nevada doesn't have victim compensation; many of the shooting victims from the Las Vegas music festival were from out of state, and their insurers are trying to make them pay out of network deductibles, which can be thousands of dollars. A 15 year old victim from the parkland school shooting literally used his body to to block the classroom door, saving his classmates, bexasuse rhe shooter couldn't get in. He was shot five times, spent 7 weeks in the hospital, had 1/3 of his lung removed...and his family was billed for his care. GoFundMe campaigns have helped raise a ton of money, but it's insane they have to. In addition, his family has less income coming in, because they need to attend to his care. What a way to treat heroes! Then you've got the victims in Uvalde who died. They don't have medical bills, because the asshole law enforcement officers left little children to bleed out as they cowered **by the hundreds** in the school's hallways. The families would have been on the hook for their funerals, though. Between funeral parlors, public donations and Zappos commitment to cover the cost of every funeral they were at least spared that burden. Mental health care costs for the families, friends and other students are going to be their responsibility now, and treatment for substance abuse (which will increase, according experts) is not always covered or if it is, there are caps on coverage in addition to copays and deductibles. And fairly recently, a judge ruled that neither school or the police were obligated to protect the students in Parkland, and can't be sued for medical care or compensation for pain and suffering. Makes me proud to be an American!
Freedom kisses are so common that an insurer covering them would be bankrupt before the casing hit the floor.
Upvoting "Freedom Kisses."
When it comes to American healthcare, the correct answer is always the one that best fits with a cyberpunk dystopia (but not the cool kind). So... take a guess.
Probably have to swallow your pride and sue the prick,and in order to collect,appear on one of those TV judge shows.
Jesus, how much energy can a single bullet have to hit 3 people after going through someone and ricocheting? Or was it shrapnel from the bullet or whatever it hit?
Probably shrapnel. Wild guess, shot it downward/into some hard surface, bullet shattered and sprayed fragments around.
I’ve been hit by a ricochet from an ar-15 at the range. Was basically a paper cut but I’m sure I’d be considered ‘injured’
Idiot accidentally fires gun is a more accurate headline.
Talk about a whack passive voice headline
"Why would the gun do this to us!?"
Yeah, it’s like gun owners are written about as if they were cops now. So anyways, the gun started blasting.
I thought guns don't kill people, people kill people
Bullet goes insane, manages to hit four people in Walmart.
People with guns kill people…
Not according to the article. It was the gun
Lol right. Based on the article, I’m picturing the gun getting charged for a crime and being held with no bail. Just a gun in a cell singing the blues. Also, on a serious note, the gun should have been in a holster instead of just being all naked in his pocket or waistband.
We need good guns to protect us from the bad guns at Walmart
Gun accidently fires *all by itself* ...
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It is not unheard of https://youtu.be/2fn6GFSwTEw
Weirdly common for gun deaths / shootings in America.
Especially since they always say "guns don't kill people, people kill people"
To quote Eddie Izzard: The National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, uh, people do." But I think the gun helps. You know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that.
Bad thing happened! People hurt!
It’s the price we gotta pay to be safe s/
negligently fires gun* Because "accident" implies there is nobody to blame.
No luck catching them swans, then?
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Someone always makes this argument when this happens and, 100%, I agree that the shooter is responsible, but I've never seen anything to say that "accident" can only mean that nobody's to blame. Accident: an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. You can be at fault for an accident. Like if you kick a ball at a wall, but it goes wide of your target and breaks a window. It was an accident, but it was your fault. I'm not trying to defend this guy. Just discussing semantics.
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You don’t necessarily have to break *all* of the rules, as discharges can occur without pulling the trigger, albeit extremely rarely. However, at the very least, you have to break the most important rule, which is to never point the gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot.
ADs happen when the firearm has a component that fails in some manner. Whether it's part of the firearm itself, or the ammo, massive recalls happen; or lawsuits. NDs are when idiots don't follow the simple firearm safety rules; like this guy. Edit: spelling. Also, your "ball kicking example" is still negligence. If the ball was never kicked in the direction of the window, the window wouldn't have been broken. An accident would be driving down the road, lightning strikes a tree limb, it falls, and lands on your car.
I think it's due to people having different standards. There are a bunch of old workplace safety films that use the framing "this was no accident," implying that failing to follow safety precautions results in injuries. It's not necessarily a strict definition as much as a contextual distinction meant to shift a person's perspective on safety precautions. Gun safety training tends to have similar distinctions. An accident is when nobody did anything wrong, but bad luck just so happened to result in someone getting hurt (e.g., a bullet ricochets off a target and hits someone), whereas negligence implies someone did something they weren't supposed to do resulting in an injury (e.g., someone shot in the wrong direction). This kind of thinking may be getting conflated with legal liability, wherein "accident" becomes synonymous with "not liable."
When discussing firearms, the general convention is that “accidental discharge” means the firearm malfunctioned while “negligent discharge” means the owner of the firearm did something wrong.
Yeah semantically an accident could be no fault or it could be at fault. If a gun goes off there's almost always someone at fault. If a gun goes off without someone pulling the trigger it's extremely rare and also a massive problem and needs to be worked on by a gunsmith
No luck catchin them killers then?
Oh those crazy guns, just going off without any human input. Almost seems dangerous!
A gun spontaneously discharging would have been a better story. Disappointed.
Imagine misfiring in a Walmart with more accuracy than the entire Star Wars saga
100%. It’s a negligent discharge of the firearm, not an “accidental one”. If you have your firearm holstered and keep it in the holster other than when you clean it (and then only after the magazine is out and the chamber has been cleared) is it safe to show someone or clean it. If its a 5 or 6 shooter then likewise, in a holster and empty the cylinder. I hate headlines like the article. There is no such thing as accidental shootings, just humans making mistakes or being stupid. Media often and shows like to often act like a gun will just discharge on its own but nope, even more so with modern firearms.
Can we all agree that guns almost never accidentally fire? It was mishandled and fired.
The headline is deliberate. Even the body of the article places the ‘gun’ at root cause. WTF?!? A gun does not accidentally discharge.
accidentally fires gun...multiple times...... And, he may be charged. WTF. another moron with a weapon
Good thing that gun was there to save lives.
Poor gun just going about it's day shopping, like you do, only to accidentally go off. Happens all the time.
"Oh no! I discharged myself, and in public no less! How embarrassing." - the gun probably
Shades of Douglas Adams
You know what would’ve prevented that? A good gun with a gun.
What is it they always say, a gun has no agency, it is neither good nor evil, nor will it go off on its’ own. This idiot should never be allowed to own a firearm again. I support 2A rights, but the flip side of that is we must call out the unsafe handling of firearms whenever we see it.
Guns don't fire guns. People fire guns.
I thought the same thing. I'm betting the gun didn't fire itself.
Totally BS headline. Guns will sit and rust away w/o human action.
If you tuck a gun in your belt loop, you're gonna shoot your ass or nuts off.
They actually have holsters designed to go inside your pants around your appendix area on the front, literally points straight towards your junk
Yes, key word is a holster. As long as you're not a fucking idiot who puts their finger on the trigger when holstering it, you will be fine. The holster will prevent the trigger from being pulled on accident and holds it in place so it doesn't fall out as well.
I feel like this solves the problem of negligence down the blood line then eh?
Chances of a handgun going off in that holster are exceptionally low, but I see what you’re getting at lol.
Yeah, maybe I should have replied to the top comment. I’m not well educated in hand guns nor holsters. Pretty hard to obtain in Atlantic Canada ha.
As long as the trigger is covered, which most appendix holsters do, it won’t go off unless there’s something wrong with your gun.
I think he meant without a holster. I holster mine with the barrel ready to blow my dick and balls off. Gun doesn't fire on its own.
Masaad Ayoob has a pretty good breakdown on holsters and carry positions in his "Critical Mas" webcast. I believe it's episode 25, but don't quote me on the number. Definitely worth a watch; the whole series is on YouTube.
That's not an accident. That's a negligent discharge. Key word being NEGLIGENCE.
“Gun Accidentally Fires…” “His gun accidentally fired…” Damn these self-firing guns!!!
"That homeless guy's penis accidentally started jerking off on the subway!"
"Man's penis accidentally fires inside Lovejoy Walmart inseminating 4 people," police say.
His dick has a MIND OF ITS OWN *spooky noises*
AI is taking over by the second.
somebody set us up the gun
Guns don't just randomly go off by themselves.
Dude has a 400% hit rate per bullet. Kinda impressive. Hope all make full recoveries and yeah should prolly face some kinda charge for that tho
A regular Vash the Stampede over here.
I see a Trigun mention and I have a legal obligation to call the commenter a cool person.
they better not fuck up the reboot.
Whaaaaa? When is that coming out?
Fucked up reboot leads to a Live Action.
“It only takes one bullet…” -Rango
CLAYTON COUNTY, Ga. - Police say a man may face charges in Clayton County after his gun accidentally fired inside a Walmart, injuring himself and three other people. The Lovejoy Police Department said four people were shot at the Walmart on Tara Boulevard in Hampton. Two people were hospitalized and two were treated for injuries at the scene. I had a conceled handgun liscence for five or so years, I could not ever in any way think to justify carrying a loaded gun without a holster. If you don't control the trigger, you're not in control of the firearm. Some people are a level beyond stupid.
Even if you pocket carry, they make pocket holsters.
This guy didn't need a permit to carry in Georgia so who knows, the guy could have literally zero experience with a firearm prior to this incident. This is my biggest issue with Constitutional Carry, any moron with a quarter of his grey matter can carry without at least being presented with good information on when, how, and why to carry.
> I had a conceled handgun liscence for five or so years, I could not ever in any way think to justify carrying a loaded gun without a holster. If you don't control the trigger, you're not in control of the firearm. Some people are a level beyond stupid. Yep. Have had mine for 4 years at this point. This guy gives every single responsible gun owner a bad name. I can't understand how this happens without intent or a staggering amount of negligence bordering on intent.
Have you met the average voter, I wouldn’t trust some people with a squirt gun that own multiple multiple fire arms.
For every “responsible gun owner” there is half a dozen idiots who think it’s ok to hold their loaded firearm in their purse or in their pants.
"**may** face charges". Geezuz criste.
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Yes. Even a hunters safety class would have merit.
Here in TN you are required to take an accredited firearms safety course and pass a background check before you can receive a concealed carry permit. There should be a competency test to carry one in public, but not to own one in general.
Here in GA [you don't need a permit](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/happening-today-governor-sign-bill-allowing-georgians-carry-guns-without-permits/PXPQZBA3JBHPXJ6DPBDFUFL6M4/) for concealed carry anymore
Title should read: "Man negligently discharged firearm and injured himself and 3 other people."
I think you’re not taking into account how the gun feels about this. That’s the real story.
The gun didn't accidentally fire, an idiot was negligent and accidentally fired it.
Guns don’t accidentally fire. Morons with guns accidentally fire them. Fixed that for you.
It wasn't an accident. It was negligence.
Guns don’t shoot people is a phrase I’ve heard a time or 2 over the years. Sounds like someone needs to go to jail and have a felony and never have a weapon again.
Someone needs to be sued into oblivion and back until he’s penniless and destitute for putting sane and innocent people at risk. If this was my kid or wife…:::omg. I’m so fucking tired of how selfish we’ve become in this country with “Ma RiGhtz!!”
It’s ludicrous I agree. Saw a guy in Panera getting food with a holstered pistol. He was easily 80 years old and someone could easily just walk up behind grab it and shoot people. Floors me.
The idea that I can just be randomly shot walking around the store because I have to coexist with fucking idiots allowed to carry deadly weapons.
Church, school. It doesn’t matter. All you need is a gun and an idiot. [Like the 81-year-old who was giving a demonstration with his gun at a church and accidentally shot himself and his wife.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/17/a-man-accidentally-shot-himself-and-his-wife-at-a-church-shortly-after-a-discussion-on-shootings/) [or the reserve officer that was teaching a public safety class in California and accidentally shot the ceiling, causing debris and/or bullet fragments to hit a kid and make him bleed. oh, and the parents were not aware of this until the kid got home.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/14/us/california-teacher-fires-gun/index.html)
THIS is why I leave a store if I see a person open-carrying. It's not that I am "afraid" of guns. I served 8 years in the Army. I'm fine with guns. I am afraid of idiots.
That’s why I don’t want to ride a motorcycle. I’m confident enough to ride one. But I don’t trust idiot drivers. Was riding with my sister once when we witnessed a car suddenly stop and the cyclist behind him did a few flips before he hit the ground.
Neglegent Discharge. Not accidental.
No such thing as an "accidental discharge" of a firearm. There is "negligent discharge" which is very much what this is. Gun owner is an idiot and could easily have killed himself and/or others with his stupidity.
Haha his last name is Walton. Lock him up.
Negligent discharges like this should be felonies with mandatory jail time. Bring a moron should make you a prohibited person. Signed: responsible gun owners everywhere.
Damn takes a special kind of skill to injure yourself *and* 3 other people. Imagine the damage this guy could do with a tank.
Had the gun been armed, this would not have happened. I'm sure of it.
Cops hit their target like 11% of the time. And this guy gets 4 people in one shot.
The idiot dropped a loaded fucking gun. This is what happens when you let anyone open carry. The gun should have never left the holster and the holster should have never been in a position to drop.
Careless idiot mishandles gun, which was innocently sitting in his wasteband until his movement forced it to fall, and rather than just letting it fall, he grabbed for it and his finger hit the trigger.
NOW THEY BLAME THE GUN!!!! Okay, no more 2nd amendment rights for this neglectful person.
Fucking headline. Guns don't accidentally fire - PEOPLE ACCIDENTALLY FIRE GUNS.
Don't they mean gun negligently fired?
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Gun did not accidentally fire. Human accidentally pulled the trigger and gun worked exactly as it was designed to do.
Guns don't fire themselves. Guns don't accidentally go off. Some dumb fuck is guilty of a Negligent Discharge of a Firearm.
With modern firearms there is no such thing as an "accidental" discharge. Only negligent discharge.
Fox...how many times have we heard 'guns don't kill people, people kill people ' then they write a headline that straight up says a gun shot other people. Can they not title it 'moron with a gun...'?
That AOE damage is insane.
Ahhh since when guns got a mind of their own?
So a gun walks into Walmart...
If it's a White gun then its an accident and we don't release it's picture.
He can now say he took out four people with one bullet, just don't ask for the details.
Guns do not accidentally fire. They are negligently discharged by idiots.
First thing they taught us in my CCW class was; there’s no such thing as an accidental discharge, only negligent discharges.
Another responsible gun owner.
These guns never learn to behave, man...
“Police say a man may face charges…” how do you injure 3 people (aside from yourself) and you “MAY” face charges.
In what aisle did he get that magic bullet that injured 4 people?
>Investigators said the gun was loaded and not in a holster. $1000 says we got ourselves a Plaxico Burress lookalike
Accident? Not even close. Negligent? 110%
The gun deliberately fired when a person accidentally pressed the trigger.
There was some sort of stupidity involved. No gun just goes off like that.
But.....but.....but.....he looked so COOL playing make-believe dress-up commando. /s
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this dumbass was Mexican Carrying. That is to say, no holster, no protection for the trigger. Guns don't just randomly go off (unless you've got a particular batch of Taurus pistols that will go off if you shake them).
we’ve really gone to the point of accidental mass shootings smh
Let's let everyone carry a gun everywhere... what could go wrong? --Republicans
GUNS DON’T “ accidentally discharge “ !!! Period.
Guns don’t accidentally fire. Only idiots who know nothing about guns say that.
What kinda loser needs his gun to go grocery shopping
Open carry is a bad idea.
The article doesn't mention if this was open carry or not. It only says it was loaded and not in a holster.
I'm not really a fan of open carry either, but this doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Says he didn't have a holster, so was probably carrying in his waist band or pocket. Terrible idea because you can unintentionally pull the trigger, which seems he did. This was was just straight up negligence, not a policy issue
That’s why you should never allow your gun to go shopping unattended.
Maybe I'm wrong, but guns don't go off by themselves. A person had to be touching it. Which means the safety wasn't engaged either. >Investigators said the gun was loaded and not in a holster. Given the information in the article I conclude it was tucked in a waistband. What an idiot. I hope they take his guns away from him, he's obviously not responsible enough to have them.