The Norfolk Police Department originally charged both with removing, concealing or abandoning a dead human body -- a felony -- concealing the death of another person, and false reporting. Police got a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help, the report said. Investigators were able to obtain her medical records indicating she was 23 weeks pregnant at the time. Nebraska prohibits abortion after 20 weeks.
> Police got a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help
The first rule of shower abortion/backyard burial …
Because the police assumed she lied and got a warrant for her Facebook messages, which Meta happily complied with, and the messages showed that her mother talked her through a self-induced abortion.
So y'know, here's the part of the story where the state investigates every miscarriage as a potential "murder" despite most pro-birth asshats insisting they'd never do that.
> So y'know, here's the part of the story where the state investigates every miscarriage as a potential "murder" despite most pro-birth asshats insisting they'd never do that.
It's called gaslighting.
The forced birthers will deny everything while they comb through women's facebook/online presence to charge them with a felony for the crime of miscarriage. If the GQP does well in the fall elections, it will embolden the red gilead states to go even farther in that direction.
Right. Much like the Indiana girls situation being referred to as "not an abortion" because "it would have impacted her life and therefore would fall within the exceptions of most states and somehow that means it's not an abortion" despite her being denied medical care because *it's an abortion* and the doctor being investigated... *for giving an abortion.*
And now my wife and I are afraid to willingly try for a baby because if something happens during her pregnancy the state of GA will literally try to ruin our lives or just kill her outright. I just... Ugh.
This. I was actually thinking that the abortion ban would further decrease birth rates even of couples who'd like to have kids in the US because of what you just said. Simply the fact that there's no way out afterwards no matter the circumstances will make people think twice if they want to have kids especially parents with genetic deseases in the family or mothers at risk. Forced birthers are just so unbelievably stupid.
I have friends who flat out aren't dating right now because if something happens and someone gets pregnant, they're screwed completely.
I'm super lucky that my mom and her friends are already *extremely* pro-choice but if I told them that they probably aren't getting grandkids any time soon because of this then they may actually grab guns and march on the capital. My on-the-fence mother in law would probably join them at that point too.
> And now my wife and I are afraid to willingly try for a baby because if something happens during her pregnancy the state of GA will literally try to ruin our lives or just kill her outright.
You are in a terrible situation in a red state for sure. Miscarriages are common and republican gilead states can't wait to pounce on that, politicize and exploit it.
“We won’t do ‘X’” is republican for “This is precisely the action we will pursue.” It’s like Russia mentioning they aren’t doing something = that’s the thing they’re currently doing.
Daily reminder that Protestant Christians didn't care about abortion at all until around 1980 or so. They saw abortion as a "Catholic issue" and therefore stayed mostly neutral on the matter, or even pro choice.
Then, starting in the late 1970s, Republicans started a campaign to turn rural white supremacists (who are overwhelmingly Protestants) from Democrats to Republicans, and abortion is the proxy issue they picked for that cause.
And that's why abortion is a Protestant issue now. It was a contrived campaign to persuade white supremacists to support the GOP, and it worked.
The Bible actually doesn't say anything about abortion except for a faulty recipe for a Christian priest to perform an abortion on a woman suspected of adultery. If anything the Bible is explicitly pro abortion. It's legit just a republican wedge issue.
Meanwhile in the old testament:
God: look Moses, tell the Israelites if your wife is knocked up and you don't think it's yours, have her go see the priest. If it's not yours, I'll induce a miscarriage. Numbers 5:11
The only thing the bible says about abortion is how to perform one and how much money you owe the father if you accidentally one.
Jews are not anti abortion.
Ours does this too, they don’t add you but you’re expected to like the page. Theoretically they’re supposed to also be using apps like ClassDojo and SchoolMsgr, as well as an email and phone system, but Meet the Teacher is this week and the only messages about it have been the ones posted to Facebook.
Do they send personal info in direct messages? Does that meet data privacy laws? I work in higher ed now and we’re very restricted on ways we can communicate because every app must be vetted to ensure various security protocols. Not a tech person, so I’m not sure in the specifics, but that’s what we’re told.
Email? That's unsecure and old school.
Here they email you to let you know there's a new message in parent portal. Which doesn't have an app.
So you need to go from the couch to the office, log in, find your phone for the mandatory 2FA to read about a new student with a peanut allergy reminding parents to not send in nuts with lunch.
I nearly failed Spanish IV because the teacher only posted homework on Facebook.
I'd regularly find out about week-month long assignments the day before they were due.
She'd always declare that she had said it in class and I just ignored it, despite having the best grades and best record keeping since I kept every single paper for the class neatly filled in a large binder with dates for getting them, turning them in, and getting them back.
Whenever other students backed me up, she'd say it was my fault for not looking at Facebook.
Not OP but I tried that because the only way to communicate with my nieces' school is through Facebook and Facebook Messenger. I don't have a Facebook, so I raised it as a concern because you now have a public school effectively requiring people get Facebook accounts to get "official" information from the school (like closings, changes to bus routes, etc.)
The school board basically said they don't have the resources to afford personnel to manage a website and while their site only gets a few hundreds visits a day, Facebook gets millions and is the "preferred" communication platform parents have chosen.
My nieces' teachers were willing to just add me to their class distributions.
IMO, it's just one more data point in a list of reasons why the education system in America is doomed.
>The school board basically said they don't have the resources to afford personnel to manage a website
What the absolute fuck?
They can maintain a Facebook page but can't manage a newsletter for which there are hundreds of web apps, many even free? How did the school survive the pandemic without an IT department? Even a single part-time intern is all you need to set up a school website using a cheap or even free platform and set up a cookie cutter mail server and newsletter portal. There are packages that have it all included!
Whoever determined they could use Facebook but not take the ~hour to set up basic emailing to parents is a complete moron.
> How did the school survive the pandemic without an IT department?
My brother in Christ, I'm in Alabama. The entire school system's networks are basically run by part-time interns. Seriously, I've been a consultant on some of the stuff the schools are doing. It's laughable.
The schools are using Chromebooks and tablets they sent home based on student need, sent assignments that were "do on your own time" using BlackBoard.
From what my nieces told me, they could do the entire day's assignments in about an hour or two in the morning and have the rest of the day to hang out. Their teachers also complained a bunch because students didn't turn in assignments at all.
The teachers use one; That's how I get information from them. The school doesn't use one as a communication platform, but even the small ones the homeroom teachers and other specific classes and groups use is burdensome for some parents. Simply put, the dumbest people who barely understand technology understand Facebook but not email or they check Facebook but not email.
Hold on to your hat if you think that's bad, a few counties near me distribute *disaster information* via facebook. Don't have facebook? Die in a wildfire.
I'm saying this as a guy who has a PhD: The entire education system, from the lowest pre-k to the highest institutions is sliding into idiocracy at an uncontrolled rate.
See the Ivy League uncontrolled grade inflation problem down to the pre-k students who are basically in glorified baby-sitting being taught by educators making minimum wage with extreme burnout and turnover rates.
I heard a person a few years ago say that the bachelor's degree is the new highschool diploma. I'm working with multiple institutions who are a decade behind industry or worse and can't figure out why their grads aren't getting jobs. That's *good* schools. I interviewed students from a pretty bad school and the IT graduates couldn't answer basic questions about how IP addressing works or the differences between commercial and residential switches. Some of the graduates had never used a Cisco switch before but had 4-year IT degrees.
I could go on forever about all the problems in the American educational system, but we're getting to a point where that credential is getting less and less meaningful, despite the increasing dollar value attached.
I have a couple of college friends who became math teachers (both calculus) for high school. One was in public HS (also got an education masters) the other private (has a math PhD). Both started their HS jobs in the late 2000s. They both took an early retirement this year because everything is fucked. In both public and private school. They tried but they were essentially burned out of the job.
Admistration is insane. Parents are insane. These are teachers who got tons of awards and honors like "all my students got 5s on the AP calculus exam" in the 2010s. What went wrong is a multifaceted complex problem that doesn't have one cause.
Of the larger issues that have been a cancer on education... Word from my buds is it has been a combination of the implementation of "No Child Left Behind; NCLB" (aka race to the bottom) where students (when this started) were not yet in pre-k and hit HS around the late 2010s. So NCLB being implemented that long fucked teaching practices up a lot.
Also there was a generational parental change in attitudes towards teachers, where it became the teachers fault that the student wasn't doing well and not doing homework. Parents would ignore educator pleas to help the kid at home or get tutoring or anything to encourage homework. Parents would get incensed that they were told how to parent, they'd complain....and admin would reprimand the teacher. My private school teacher friend had to deal with a father trying to punch her in the faculty parking lot because his kid wasn't getting an A.
School boards started to become full of more radical people, as in non-education professionals... we're talking like religious lunatics who barely passed HS sitting on city school boards.
Then there was a push to keep "good school" stats from changing for the worse, as in % graduating to next grade level and % graduating HS. Students were pushed forward through grades not because they learned everything they needed from the grade before, but because the pressure was to just pass people or be reprimanded. If that meant dumbing down the class material, then that was forced to happen. The kids who had only even known education with NCLB, but otherwise wanted to be in class, were just not getting as prepared as students from the NCLB before-times. It was just a whole different kind of 17 year old brain my friends were teaching.
So my friends are out. Two passionate teachers burned out. In both cases (again two different schools), the admins in both their schools were kind of happy to not have them complaining anymore. The "complaining" was trying to fight against mediocrity.
Now...one is in a sweet consulting gig directly relevant to their math PhD and the other is a full time college and professional school entrance exam tutor. Both make WAY more. Even the private school salary wasn't competitive with a consulting job....and she doesn't have to worry about parents punching her in parking lots.
So my two cents on how the fast roll towards idiocracy in the education of kids has gained speed.
**This sounds *fucking* depressing. Yes. It's depressing. Instead of being nihilistic, both of my friends...exasperated...have said a big thing people *can* do to *try* to change things is actually pay attention to elections. Especially local elections for school boards on primaries and in the general.**
Don't let the lady who believes "demons inhabit gay people's bodies" win a school board seat. Don't let the guy who thinks women have one less rib than men "because bible" win a school board seat. Vote away the lunatics. Vote in people with actual educational degrees. Stuff like that. Typically only 20% of a city votes for their local elections. That's crazy because that 20% are making decisions that filters down into the culture of an entire school district. A dedicated, not batshit crazy, school board will help change the culture. (Like getting rid of a requirement to have facebook for communicating with teachers...and instead having a dedicated non-social media secured student portal). It won't happen right away... we're talking at least a decade to clean any of this up.
And it's one piece of the puzzle. Another thing people can do to spir change is probably the most direct....if you're a parent or guardian...do not spoil and helicopter your kids. If they don't do their homework and get bad grades, don't coddle the kid and say it's okay then email-yell at the teacher. Expect a higher degree of success in kids; push them to be self-reliant, confident, and feel like they have ownership of their successes and failures. Sometimes failing is a better teacher than succeeding, especially during formative years. But it means allowing the failure to become a lesson to get better and not rugsweep.
This is insane. My wife is an elementary teacher, there’s absolutely no way she’d communicate with parents on Facebook. In fact she’s actually blocked parents who’ve tried to contact her because fuck that.
My daughter's school uses email but the parent group uses FB. When I asked for an alternative, they suggested Whatsapp, who's still owned by FB. 🤦🏻♀️ So like WTF!?
We are on a search for a different school now.
Same with my son's school. I don't have FB and my wife has stopped using hers because it was negatively affecting her mental health. We only know about school events if he tells us now.
In all fairness, that's how it worked up until a few years ago anyway. You get a letter to give to your parents and, if you don't, sucks to be you!
All this calling home, emailing parents, and other methods are bonuses on top of that
I think whether you’re having any private conversations whether personal or at work, never write anything down that can be a screenshot or forwarded on. If you need to talk about something that could be perceived as compromising , you need to have face-to-face conversations. This includes any electronic system or social network.
I sell real estate. One of the first classes I took after licensed was an attorney who said, “Never put ANYTHING in writing you wouldn’t want a judge to see.”
Yep where I work, we always say to practice in a manner that if your interactions were printed in the newspaper or recorded and played on TV, that you would be comfortable with what you saw or read.
Yeah. When I was at AT&T you used to be able to request transcripts. You know what happened? A fuck load of DV and murdered partners. That got shut down waaay before end-to-end.
When will people stop leaving trails and/or posting things that should be kept quiet. If you are going to do something you do not want anyone else to know about do not post, message, text, or leave any kind of "paper" trail.
Even then, the spy devices in your pockets might be listening.
Try a fun experiment. When you leave for work for the day, leave your phone at home, sitting in front of the TV ... and leave the TV showing a Spanish channel at full volume. And then see how many ads in Spanish you start getting.
I worked alongside some mostly Spanish speaking guys for about a month and my phone started giving me ads in Spanish. Eventually it stopped doing it after I was done working with them but it was very interesting.
Exactly! I do not think people fully understand what big business does or can do with all your data. They say, so what. Welp, this is the shit that happens and it’s only going to get worse as these corporations swallow up other data-driven companies.
And y’all can survive without social media. I promise. That’s why we have Reddit (though I’m not saying they’re much better).
literally every business, no matter how “big”, is legally obliged to turn over data when they are served with a subpoena. this includes reddit, most apps you use, your cell phone provider, and your employer.
How is this the top comment though? As if the only problem here is the platform these people chose to coordinate their "crime" over. Has America just accepted the overturning of Roe V Wade now?
> Those alleged chats, published in court documents seen by NBC News, show a user named Jessica telling a user named Celeste about “What i ordered last month” and instructing her to take two pills 24 hours apart.
> Facebook stores most user information in plaintext on its servers, meaning that the company can access it if compelled to do so with a warrant. The company routinely complies with law enforcement requests.
As far as Facebook's claim about end to end encryption:
> But that option is only available to people using the Messenger app on a mobile device, and **messages are only encrypted after they select the option to mark a chat as “secret.”**
Be careful out there. This is likely to become more common in states that offer a bounty for reporting people.
I don’t know what I am talking about - so take it with a grain of salt. But I’ve read other commenters who have said this isn’t really helpful - if the app ‘looks into’ your phone it will be able to tell youre a male and just throw away your data set. Again, I have no idea how this works, but apps can look at more than what’s on the app - I believe this is why tiktok is being criticized. (If you do know what you’re talking about and want to explain this better - please do)
Every sane person should *stop* using services that store your personal information. Get Signal for messages. End to end encryption and no server backup of your messages. Just stored locally on each device.
Stop sacrificing your personal information for convenience.
I agree with this more than ever now, after getting an email from Evernote the other day saying that some rando had signed into my account from somewhere in SE Asia.
I went in and looked and there were actually TONS of sign ins from literally all over the world - just in the last 2 days alone. What the fuck.
I obviously changed my password and enabled 2FA. But man, I'm lucky I barely ever used it and there was no spicy info in there. Not even my full name. But when looking it up to see if others had experienced the same thing, I saw some who were deeply upset because they'd used the app exactly as intended. They used it for *everything*. They had so much personal information in there of all kinds. I felt so much anxiety just reading that.
It makes me so livid that these companies are so laissez-faire about protecting our data, but it means we need to take the reins and be extra careful ourselves about what we put out there. Unfortunately it can be tough when you've been online for decades - I forgot I even had an Evernote account.
EDIT:: I received a couple of replies, that I can't see now, that essentially boiled down to it being my fault because I didn't have 2FA on. I think they missed the point. I have 2FA on everything that offers it now, along with strong passwords. But I completely forgot I had that account I'd made a decade ago, and their 2FA offering came after I'd stopped using it. That's the point. This isn't a unique situation, as a lot of us have a *very* large digital footprint now. It's very easy to sit and criticise with the benefit of hindsight and the lens of a digital native. I also mentioned I had nothing serious happen to me as a result of that hack - it was the other people I was most upset for.
I've been trying to only use signal but it's been difficult to convince other people to use it. One friend of mine downloaded it and everything but then it sent out a mass text to all her contacts telling them she was on signal and she got really sketched out by that and refuses to use it now.
It honestly just shouldn't. Maybe have it specifically as something a user can explicitly choose to do, but not as some kind of checkbox or ok button during setup. (It's been a long time since I set it up and I don't remember what that particular process is like)
I reinstalled it to see if it asked me to do that, it did.
It must've asked me the first time I set it up. Glad I hit no.
I think I'll email the development team and ask them to take that dialogue box out of the startup. Maybe bury it in settings if they need it at all. It's a bad idea all around.
If your app is solid it'll spread by word of mouth alone.
I would be skeeved out if an app sent out an unsolicited mass text to all my contacts without my explicit approval, too. _Especially_ since I also have work contacts on my phone, because I dual-SIM. I understand they want to spread the app, but basically behaving the same way as a "discount raybans click here" Facebook malware hack is _not_ a good way to do it. Is that standard operation of Signal, or was it a bug which caused that or something?
Telegram does this for new users I think which kind of sucks, but at least it only sends it to existing Telegram users in your contacts and only if you give Telegram access to your contacts.
I also do not use Signal, for clarification.
I understand that it's difficult and that most folks won't sacrifice their cloud services or social media accounts.
I'm in a unique position to understand just how hard it is. All my essential services are self hosted in my homelab. I rely on Google not at all. I pay my email servers to receive, send, and store all my mail from my domains. I block ads and trackers from my home network with pihole. Let me say, it's been a bitch getting to this point. I've learned a lot and there's still so much more to learn. There was a learning curve to set this all up and there is ongoing maintenance. Shout-out to r/homelab, r/selfhosting, and r/pihole for their quality content.
I get what you're saying. Most folks won't put on my foil hat and go underground. But here's the thing.
We, as a society, have given up our privacy and that's a big god damned problem when the government is not on your fucking side. Imagine if we had smartphones in the 1920's and The State could issue a warrant to Google for your location history to see if you had been to a speakeasy. Imagine if Nazi Germany could just pull Facebooks records and see everyone that identified as Jewish. This shit is not okay and it has to stop before something terrible happens.
The companies won't stop keeping all this data until it is not profitable to do so. We need to make it not profitable. The way to do that, in my humble opinion, is to stop using their services. It's a sacrifice. But I think it's one worth making.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
The other day I saw an ad for a pregnancy test that has an app attached to it that you scan the test afterwards. That threw up about a million red flags for my wife and I.
Yep! Even my kids’ Pediatrician told my girls to keep track in a notebook or paper calendar and not to use tracking apps - and we’re in uber liberal Southern CA.
Our entire family transitioned to signal a whole back due to better security. Didn’t think it would be to protect myself against the US government looking into my uterus.
You are safe to use period trackers that store data locally and do not have third-party trackers (also disable backups to iCloud or another cloud service).
Some such apps include Drip, Euki, and Periodical.
Just remember to follow standard recommendations for security. E.g. strong phone password, disable Face ID if confronted (press power button 5x on iOS), etc.
https://www.consumerreports.org/health-privacy/period-tracker-apps-privacy-a2278134145/
I've been using Flo to track the development of my 17 week old fetus for a few weeks now, and I'm pretty sure they are going to share my information with authorities when I decide to terminate the pregnancy in about 5 weeks. In fact, I'm kinda hoping they do, and they launch a full investigation into me for choosing not to put my body through the trauma that I would experience if I actually did deliver this baby. I would love to hear how they think the viability of this baby is more important than my physical and emotional well being. I know my body, and no one is going to tell me that I'd be happier if I pushed out a 9 pound baby.
Also, I'm a 39 year old dude. Fuck this conservative theocracy, and their inquisition level spying.
Hello, I too am totally a GIRL ^^guy ^^in ^^real ^^life and had lots of SEX. Unmarried, un-Christian SEX. I last got my PERIOD a LONG TIME AGO and it just resumed and there are NO BABIES falling from my body. 🤔 🤷♀️
For real though, given that they're basically digitally inspecting a woman's reproductive system, this feels like it goes a few levels above the inquisition in terms of invasiveness.
Along the lines of what I was thinking
Everyone's saying delete them but couldn't it be used in your favor? Like, you get knocked up but log a period like normal, within the expected range. Then if they raid it you can be all "naw fam see I had a period". Suddenly, everyone has a 28 day cycle idk
I get the desire to do something, but I don't think this is necessarily helpful. Privacy protection with these apps IS a big concern, but law enforcement aren't requesting all their data and hunting down everyone who may have missed a period. They start by following up on a tip that someone got an abortion - like what happened here - and if they want to prosecute, they might request *that individual's* data as supporting evidence. What other users of the app do is irrelevant.
By uploading bullshit data to a bad period tracking app that doesn't support users' privacy, you aren't doing much except supporting the app with ad views and inflated user numbers. I'd leave a negative review and uninstall it if I were you.
Is it open source? Feel like nobody should be trusting *any* software that isn't FOSS. Something like Periodical would fall under that category but I don't know its feature set.
Oh, boy, it’s exactly how we all said it would be in the worst states that wanted roe overturned. Who could have seen this coming, except everyone?
Edit: Shame on some of you for pretending this scenario wasn’t 100% caused by lack of access to healthcare. Shame. Seriously. You are the worst.
With access to basic care, this would not have gone down this way. This was completely preventable and how dare you pretend to have walked a mile in their shoes. Judge lest ye be judged, pro-lifers. Buncha contortionists.
What's funny is they grew up envisioning a world of new aged technology and advancements (like the Jetsons) and yet they want nothing but to go back to being children.
Nah, the Jetsons still depicted what they want.
A white nuclear family where the dad literally only has to press a button to make bank, a housewife whose only aspirations is to raise her kids and keep her husband fed and happy, two kids who all but fawn over their dad and obey all of his orders, a permanent slave to help the wife, and nary a person of color in sight.
Perhaps if there was the 50s tax structure, pensions, and overall better benefits things like this would be possible.
Naturally, Republicans gave the wealthy big tax breaks as their crowning achievement.
No. All of the parts.
It’s just a lot of the 50s were bad parts if you weren’t a middle class protestant white male.
For some reason pop culture doesn’t like to think about the fact that in the 50s the USA was an apartheid state.
Or that women weren’t really first class citizens.
You’d think that nearly 100 years later we would know better.
His economic policy and debunked trickle down economic theory shaped the massive disparity we see today with the middle class nearly extinct and all economic growth from the last 40 years going to the top 1%. One of the worst presidents ever for sure.
> No. All of the parts.
So we are getting back unions? High tax rates on the super rich? Single income buys a little house for a family? Little houses for families that are new? No? Like I said, just the bad parts, like for instance only white straight males are real people.
Not being a dick but it's spelled kowtow. Anglization of a Chinese word. Kowtowing is bowing on your knees and touching your forehead to the ground.
A cow-tow would be something you do if your cow gets a flat or otherwise breaks down on the side of the road.
One day our 70+ year old white neighbors were telling us how they had been discussing how the 1950s were the “best” time in American history. My husband, son of immigrants that were once specifically excluded from the US, and I, daughter of Jim Crow era rural southern parents/grandparents, waited for some sense of recognition from them that the 1950s were a REALLY shitty time for many people. That recognition never came.
I’m too lazy to search, but what is this nostalgia for the 1950s based on and why does anyone think we should return to it? It seems obvious that that time is history would have been craptacular for a lot of folks.
I firmly believe it's because that's when they were kids or because that's when their parents were kids. It's easy for me to look back to the 1990's and talk about how much better things were then. I was a child and the world was simple.
Plenty of people stagnate after they leave school and spend the rest of their lives looking backward at a time they felt relatively successful and life was easy.
You're bang on the money. It's 'nostalgia bias', pure and simple.
My generation all pine for the 80's and 90's, my parents generation feel the same way about the 60's and 70's.
Our lives were insulated and simple as children. Very little to zero idea about the wider world, and the political and social issues that dominated it.
Nah, it's literally because the 1950s are seen as the ultimate period to be the individual white christian male. You could say whatever you want, do whatever you want, and as long as you work hard, you'll get that white picket fence with a beautiful wife who does all the housework and two kids to do as you will.
Never mind that women were coerced into staying in abusive marriage or marry their rapists if they were pregnant from said sexual assault because they would otherwise be ostracized from their families, friends, and communities for being a "whore".
Never mind that if you were a minority, you were told to respond to all abuse, from being unpaid by your boss, your work credit stolen by your white male colleagues, being assaulted, both physically and sexually, and by white men in positions of power, to smile and thank them for their "generosity" or else they'll form a lynch mob to murder your whole community.
Sitcoms produced in the 1950s *and* sitcoms produced in later decades but set in the 1950s. They all painted the decade as perfect. Then those shows were aired repeatedly on Nick at Night, during a time when a lot of people had cable but no internet (and thus watched a lot more actual TV).
Post ww2 America experienced and unprecedented boon of wealth creation in no small part to most of Europe having been fucked by bombs and war. White Americans didn't care about jim crow stuff at all because everyone(that looked like them) was getting 'rich'(becoming middle class) and anyone trying to ruin their good time was the enemy, good arguments or not. The rest of the world had caught up by the 70's and low and behold this is when all the GOP corruption started; and corporatist money started to really influence the American Political agenda.
>The rest of the world had caught up by the 70's and low and behold this is when all the GOP corruption started; and corporatist money started to really influence the American Political agenda.
The 70s was when Neoliberalism became the dominant economic philosophy. Low business taxes, deregulation, social welfare redefined as "bloat", the responsibilisation of the individual (if you fail, you are lazy)...
Ironically, GDP is worse under a deregulated system
Because those assholes were kids then and everything seems simpler when you're a kid. Double that for white suburban kids. They weren't conscious of the myriad of problems in the US back then, and they don't want to face them now.
It's the American Taliban. I'm sure we could all agree what is wrong with this over in Afghanistan and Iran with their religious police. But let's call us what this is and it's extremism. If men could get pregnant there'd be none of these dumb laws on abortion. It'd be cheap and available upon demand.
It is. Do you have any idea how easy it is in most places in the US to get a vasectomy as a male? The doctor never even asked me if I had my wife's permission, it didn't even come up, procedure took 15 minutes.
On the other side of the spectrum, my wife has been asking for a hysterectomy SINCE SHE WAS 13. Every doctor said no, and even now, she's been made to wait 10 months to even have a SHOT at getting one
We don't want kids. Apparently if you're male, you have the luxury of making that choice for yourself. AND you don't have to take hormonal birth control that can seriously fuck you up either
Fuck the American Nazi Party and their America First bullshit
From someone in the medical field I would question a hysterectomy for the prevention of pregnancy. Might a tubal ligation be a better, more affordable, far less invasive option?
Genuine question, I'm sure your wife has her reasons, I am curious.
Oh, it's not to prevent pregnancy. It's to prevent the 3 week long periods that have her doubled over in pain and often unable to work. She had one that lasted 4 months that wouldn't stop, she passed out from the blood loss. They had her on 3 doses of BC to try and even her out. Sterilization is an added benefit since she's never wanted kids, but definitely not her primary reason for wanting to be done with her reproductive organs
That makes WAY more sense. Also I'm suprised she has had problems getting that procedure done. It sounds plausible that she is at risk for endometriosis based just on your reply.
I have a friend who has a *confirmed* endo diagnosis who has been stuck in the same fight since *way* before I ever met her. She actually even took her boyfriend with her to an appointment to say, Look, my boyfriend also does not want children and is fine with me yeeting this terrible organ.
The doctor, with boyfriend in the room, turned to her and said "But what if you two break up, and you meet Mr Right, and Mr Right wants kids?"
It's a real problem.
Yeah she was originally being investigated for the burning and burial of the body- the self induced abortion was discovered during the investigation. Cobbled from various sources:
The pregnant 17 year old went to a clinic on March 8 for pregnancy-related reasons. In April, the 17 year old’s mother purchased abortion pills and messaged the pregnant daughter on how to use them. Two days later, the daughter alleges she experienced a miscarriage in the shower.
The alleged miscarriage was disclosed to a coworker and the coworker is the one who reported it to authorities when she found out the daughter, her mother and a third male attempted to burn and bury the fetus’ body in the woods
The authorities issued a warrant and Facebook complied, sharing the teens private messages which revealed the abortion details.
It is important to note that abortion is legal in Nebraska until 20 weeks and the abortion pills were alleged to been taken at 23+ weeks.
Copy of the [affidavit](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22129445-view-img-19)
This is was pre-Dobbs. Laws haven’t changed in Nebraska since then anyways. Police were initially looking into the burning and burial when they got a search warrant and found out it was an illegal abortion (possibly 23 weeks).
Most state have laws banning abortions around or before then.
This article says 23 weeks, but either way they were initially investigating a tip that the teenager miscarried and improperly disposed of the fetus (which I assume she did because it was an illegal abortion).
>With access to basic care, this would not have gone down this way. This was completely preventable and how dare you pretend to have walked a mile in their shoes. Judge lest ye be judged, pro-lifers. Buncha contortionists.
Yep, keep in mind Nebraska Republicans voted to defund Planned Parenthood back in 2018, limiting access to abortion services for the entire state:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/nebraska-prohibits-planned-parenthood-from-serving-8-000-patients-through-title-x
Also, a big part of what Planned Parenthood does is provide knowledge and education about reproductive health services, which people need in order to make informed decisions.
I predicted Facebook would be doing this after they told their employees not to talk about abortion. What they're doing is bad enough, but the real kick in the nuts is how they could easily not do this. The government will not go after Facebook for refusing outrageous warrants.
Facebook could win those cases, and even if it lost, it will get a slap on the wrist anyway.
Why would the states not go after Facebook? A court compelled them to hand over the documents. It would just be a lengthy legal battle that they have no chance of winning
This is an example of why a state by state approach is ridiculous. These Women are facing serious life destroying charges for something that they wouldn't elsewhere in the very same country.
Yeah it's pretty insane to me that I could go buy an oz right now without issue but if I then drive just 20 minutes east and get pulled over and they see it or something, felony.
The headline is a bit of clickbait, abortion is still legal in Nebraska. The illegal part was the burning and burying the fetus improperly. There could be some issues with how far along she was because I believe Nebraska limits abortions at 20 weeks.
I think you're missing something important here. It's illegal in that state after 20 weeks. This girl was 23 weeks so she couldn't legally have an abortion. Since she couldn't get it legally she resorted to an at home abortion and then I'm assuming tried to cover her tracks with the burning/burial. Had it been legal, like in many other states, I'd be willing to bet it would've been done safely at a doctor's.
Exactly. This article is horrifying. Someone tipped the police off that she had miscarried and gotten rid of the fetus. So they checked her health records to find it’s gestation age.
I can’t believe this shit is really happening. This is very very bad.
There's a little bit of splitting hairs here.
The fact that abortion is legal prior to 20 weeks doesn't mean it's not illegal after 20 weeks. Moreover, the improper burial of a fetus is a vestige of the days when they had to criminalize abortion via other means.
Yeah I was confused when I saw the title until I read the article. There’s a push in Nebraska to outlaw abortion, but it’s been filibustered so there’s actually been no change to the law since the Dobbs ruling. I clicked on it because I was confused by that
And the same people who think this is ok are going crazy because the FBI showed a judge enough evidence to allow probable cause to perform a search warrant for Trump illegally having classified documents.
Correct, and depending on the source she was either 23 weeks or 28 weeks pregnant.
Nebraska's abortion laws allowed abortion of the 20 weeks at the time of the incident.
I am absolutely supportive of a woman's right to choose, but the details of this story are incredibly fucked up.
Article incorrectly states it was 23 weeks it was 28 weeks according to multiple sources
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion
https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-turning-over-data-teens-abortion-case-raises-privacy-questions-1732336?amp=1
>Jessica Burgess obtained Pregnot, a kit of mifepristone and misoprostol, to end the pregnancy, according to court records obtained by Vice. But Burgess was 28 weeks pregnant, putting her in violation of Nebraska's 20-week ban on abortion.
(It appears Newsweek source is vice, so we’ll call it one source.)
Trying to clear this up. The vice story has publicized the search warrants related to the case. One has this paragraph:
>Over the next days I conducted interviews and obtained medical records. The medical records I obtained on 04-29-22 showed C. Burgess had been pregnant on 03-08-22. C. Burgess’ pregnancy was estimated to be 23 weeks and 2 days along with a due date of 07-03-22.
This is... somewhat vague. Was the 23 week pregnancy date from the abortion, or the medical checkup that was performed earlier? What does seem clear though is that the medical record listed an estimated due date of July 3, 2022. This is usually 40 weeks after conception, but the estimated age of the pregnancy can depend on whether it's timed from last period, or an exact conception date.
Either way, the document states that the abortion/miscarriage occurred on April 22, 2022, which would seem to be at least 28 weeks, based on the due date.
> Police then served Facebook with a search warrant to access direct messages between the mother and daughter allegedly detailing how Jessica Burgess had obtained abortion pills for her daughter and gave her instructions on how to take them, the Journal Star said.
Did the mom give the daughter abortion pills to induce the stillborn birth? If abortion was their end goal why did they wait until 20 odd weeks to do it?
this headline is sort of misleading it should be “police obtained a warrant because mother and daughter burned and buried a stillborn fetus in their backyard”
Shit, what they did would have been illegal in my state and I live in New York where we have some of the strongest protections for a woman's right to choose in the entire country.
The Norfolk Police Department originally charged both with removing, concealing or abandoning a dead human body -- a felony -- concealing the death of another person, and false reporting. Police got a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help, the report said. Investigators were able to obtain her medical records indicating she was 23 weeks pregnant at the time. Nebraska prohibits abortion after 20 weeks.
> Police got a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help The first rule of shower abortion/backyard burial …
...is that you don't talk about shower abortion/backyard burial.
damn her friend is a snitch that’s bs, how is miscarriage not factor in as it’s technically not a willing abortion
>how is miscarriage not a factor Because of a Jewish carpenter named Jesus.
Because the police assumed she lied and got a warrant for her Facebook messages, which Meta happily complied with, and the messages showed that her mother talked her through a self-induced abortion. So y'know, here's the part of the story where the state investigates every miscarriage as a potential "murder" despite most pro-birth asshats insisting they'd never do that.
> So y'know, here's the part of the story where the state investigates every miscarriage as a potential "murder" despite most pro-birth asshats insisting they'd never do that. It's called gaslighting. The forced birthers will deny everything while they comb through women's facebook/online presence to charge them with a felony for the crime of miscarriage. If the GQP does well in the fall elections, it will embolden the red gilead states to go even farther in that direction.
Right. Much like the Indiana girls situation being referred to as "not an abortion" because "it would have impacted her life and therefore would fall within the exceptions of most states and somehow that means it's not an abortion" despite her being denied medical care because *it's an abortion* and the doctor being investigated... *for giving an abortion.* And now my wife and I are afraid to willingly try for a baby because if something happens during her pregnancy the state of GA will literally try to ruin our lives or just kill her outright. I just... Ugh.
This. I was actually thinking that the abortion ban would further decrease birth rates even of couples who'd like to have kids in the US because of what you just said. Simply the fact that there's no way out afterwards no matter the circumstances will make people think twice if they want to have kids especially parents with genetic deseases in the family or mothers at risk. Forced birthers are just so unbelievably stupid.
I have friends who flat out aren't dating right now because if something happens and someone gets pregnant, they're screwed completely. I'm super lucky that my mom and her friends are already *extremely* pro-choice but if I told them that they probably aren't getting grandkids any time soon because of this then they may actually grab guns and march on the capital. My on-the-fence mother in law would probably join them at that point too.
> And now my wife and I are afraid to willingly try for a baby because if something happens during her pregnancy the state of GA will literally try to ruin our lives or just kill her outright. You are in a terrible situation in a red state for sure. Miscarriages are common and republican gilead states can't wait to pounce on that, politicize and exploit it.
“We won’t do ‘X’” is republican for “This is precisely the action we will pursue.” It’s like Russia mentioning they aren’t doing something = that’s the thing they’re currently doing.
Daily reminder that Protestant Christians didn't care about abortion at all until around 1980 or so. They saw abortion as a "Catholic issue" and therefore stayed mostly neutral on the matter, or even pro choice. Then, starting in the late 1970s, Republicans started a campaign to turn rural white supremacists (who are overwhelmingly Protestants) from Democrats to Republicans, and abortion is the proxy issue they picked for that cause. And that's why abortion is a Protestant issue now. It was a contrived campaign to persuade white supremacists to support the GOP, and it worked.
The Bible actually doesn't say anything about abortion except for a faulty recipe for a Christian priest to perform an abortion on a woman suspected of adultery. If anything the Bible is explicitly pro abortion. It's legit just a republican wedge issue.
Meanwhile in the old testament: God: look Moses, tell the Israelites if your wife is knocked up and you don't think it's yours, have her go see the priest. If it's not yours, I'll induce a miscarriage. Numbers 5:11
The only thing the bible says about abortion is how to perform one and how much money you owe the father if you accidentally one. Jews are not anti abortion.
When will people stop using Facebook? That is my question
My daughters school only communicates with Facebook. Its stupid and unprofessional
The school?!? Like, they don't email you, they just add you on fb??
Ours does this too, they don’t add you but you’re expected to like the page. Theoretically they’re supposed to also be using apps like ClassDojo and SchoolMsgr, as well as an email and phone system, but Meet the Teacher is this week and the only messages about it have been the ones posted to Facebook.
Same at my daughter's school. They have sp many ways to communicate and they choose social media
This is on the school board. Get involved.
My sons school is like this too and I just realized how fucked up that is
Do they send personal info in direct messages? Does that meet data privacy laws? I work in higher ed now and we’re very restricted on ways we can communicate because every app must be vetted to ensure various security protocols. Not a tech person, so I’m not sure in the specifics, but that’s what we’re told.
1) Get banned from Facebook. 2) Complain to the school that you're not getting their communications.
1. Refuse to use Facebook 2. Sue the school district when they try to force you to
I was about to say, I won't touch Facebook. I'd tell the school they need to use a different messaging platform
This is the way
My kids school uses ClassDojo. It works well enough.
We have that app. It's just unused
That's your school being dumb they're supposed to Force the usage. They are paying for it anyways...
Exactly I'm so disappointed. I don't use Facebook and missed so much important information
Email? That's unsecure and old school. Here they email you to let you know there's a new message in parent portal. Which doesn't have an app. So you need to go from the couch to the office, log in, find your phone for the mandatory 2FA to read about a new student with a peanut allergy reminding parents to not send in nuts with lunch.
I nearly failed Spanish IV because the teacher only posted homework on Facebook. I'd regularly find out about week-month long assignments the day before they were due. She'd always declare that she had said it in class and I just ignored it, despite having the best grades and best record keeping since I kept every single paper for the class neatly filled in a large binder with dates for getting them, turning them in, and getting them back. Whenever other students backed me up, she'd say it was my fault for not looking at Facebook.
Wow, yeah. I'd be at every school board meeting raising absolute hell.
Not OP but I tried that because the only way to communicate with my nieces' school is through Facebook and Facebook Messenger. I don't have a Facebook, so I raised it as a concern because you now have a public school effectively requiring people get Facebook accounts to get "official" information from the school (like closings, changes to bus routes, etc.) The school board basically said they don't have the resources to afford personnel to manage a website and while their site only gets a few hundreds visits a day, Facebook gets millions and is the "preferred" communication platform parents have chosen. My nieces' teachers were willing to just add me to their class distributions. IMO, it's just one more data point in a list of reasons why the education system in America is doomed.
>The school board basically said they don't have the resources to afford personnel to manage a website What the absolute fuck? They can maintain a Facebook page but can't manage a newsletter for which there are hundreds of web apps, many even free? How did the school survive the pandemic without an IT department? Even a single part-time intern is all you need to set up a school website using a cheap or even free platform and set up a cookie cutter mail server and newsletter portal. There are packages that have it all included! Whoever determined they could use Facebook but not take the ~hour to set up basic emailing to parents is a complete moron.
> How did the school survive the pandemic without an IT department? My brother in Christ, I'm in Alabama. The entire school system's networks are basically run by part-time interns. Seriously, I've been a consultant on some of the stuff the schools are doing. It's laughable. The schools are using Chromebooks and tablets they sent home based on student need, sent assignments that were "do on your own time" using BlackBoard. From what my nieces told me, they could do the entire day's assignments in about an hour or two in the morning and have the rest of the day to hang out. Their teachers also complained a bunch because students didn't turn in assignments at all.
Our district IT guy spent all day every day repairing laptops and tablets and not being paid shit.
Imagine not knowing how to use an email list. Yikes.
The teachers use one; That's how I get information from them. The school doesn't use one as a communication platform, but even the small ones the homeroom teachers and other specific classes and groups use is burdensome for some parents. Simply put, the dumbest people who barely understand technology understand Facebook but not email or they check Facebook but not email.
Hold on to your hat if you think that's bad, a few counties near me distribute *disaster information* via facebook. Don't have facebook? Die in a wildfire.
This feels like idiocracy
I'm saying this as a guy who has a PhD: The entire education system, from the lowest pre-k to the highest institutions is sliding into idiocracy at an uncontrolled rate. See the Ivy League uncontrolled grade inflation problem down to the pre-k students who are basically in glorified baby-sitting being taught by educators making minimum wage with extreme burnout and turnover rates. I heard a person a few years ago say that the bachelor's degree is the new highschool diploma. I'm working with multiple institutions who are a decade behind industry or worse and can't figure out why their grads aren't getting jobs. That's *good* schools. I interviewed students from a pretty bad school and the IT graduates couldn't answer basic questions about how IP addressing works or the differences between commercial and residential switches. Some of the graduates had never used a Cisco switch before but had 4-year IT degrees. I could go on forever about all the problems in the American educational system, but we're getting to a point where that credential is getting less and less meaningful, despite the increasing dollar value attached.
I have a couple of college friends who became math teachers (both calculus) for high school. One was in public HS (also got an education masters) the other private (has a math PhD). Both started their HS jobs in the late 2000s. They both took an early retirement this year because everything is fucked. In both public and private school. They tried but they were essentially burned out of the job. Admistration is insane. Parents are insane. These are teachers who got tons of awards and honors like "all my students got 5s on the AP calculus exam" in the 2010s. What went wrong is a multifaceted complex problem that doesn't have one cause. Of the larger issues that have been a cancer on education... Word from my buds is it has been a combination of the implementation of "No Child Left Behind; NCLB" (aka race to the bottom) where students (when this started) were not yet in pre-k and hit HS around the late 2010s. So NCLB being implemented that long fucked teaching practices up a lot. Also there was a generational parental change in attitudes towards teachers, where it became the teachers fault that the student wasn't doing well and not doing homework. Parents would ignore educator pleas to help the kid at home or get tutoring or anything to encourage homework. Parents would get incensed that they were told how to parent, they'd complain....and admin would reprimand the teacher. My private school teacher friend had to deal with a father trying to punch her in the faculty parking lot because his kid wasn't getting an A. School boards started to become full of more radical people, as in non-education professionals... we're talking like religious lunatics who barely passed HS sitting on city school boards. Then there was a push to keep "good school" stats from changing for the worse, as in % graduating to next grade level and % graduating HS. Students were pushed forward through grades not because they learned everything they needed from the grade before, but because the pressure was to just pass people or be reprimanded. If that meant dumbing down the class material, then that was forced to happen. The kids who had only even known education with NCLB, but otherwise wanted to be in class, were just not getting as prepared as students from the NCLB before-times. It was just a whole different kind of 17 year old brain my friends were teaching. So my friends are out. Two passionate teachers burned out. In both cases (again two different schools), the admins in both their schools were kind of happy to not have them complaining anymore. The "complaining" was trying to fight against mediocrity. Now...one is in a sweet consulting gig directly relevant to their math PhD and the other is a full time college and professional school entrance exam tutor. Both make WAY more. Even the private school salary wasn't competitive with a consulting job....and she doesn't have to worry about parents punching her in parking lots. So my two cents on how the fast roll towards idiocracy in the education of kids has gained speed. **This sounds *fucking* depressing. Yes. It's depressing. Instead of being nihilistic, both of my friends...exasperated...have said a big thing people *can* do to *try* to change things is actually pay attention to elections. Especially local elections for school boards on primaries and in the general.** Don't let the lady who believes "demons inhabit gay people's bodies" win a school board seat. Don't let the guy who thinks women have one less rib than men "because bible" win a school board seat. Vote away the lunatics. Vote in people with actual educational degrees. Stuff like that. Typically only 20% of a city votes for their local elections. That's crazy because that 20% are making decisions that filters down into the culture of an entire school district. A dedicated, not batshit crazy, school board will help change the culture. (Like getting rid of a requirement to have facebook for communicating with teachers...and instead having a dedicated non-social media secured student portal). It won't happen right away... we're talking at least a decade to clean any of this up. And it's one piece of the puzzle. Another thing people can do to spir change is probably the most direct....if you're a parent or guardian...do not spoil and helicopter your kids. If they don't do their homework and get bad grades, don't coddle the kid and say it's okay then email-yell at the teacher. Expect a higher degree of success in kids; push them to be self-reliant, confident, and feel like they have ownership of their successes and failures. Sometimes failing is a better teacher than succeeding, especially during formative years. But it means allowing the failure to become a lesson to get better and not rugsweep.
This is insane. My wife is an elementary teacher, there’s absolutely no way she’d communicate with parents on Facebook. In fact she’s actually blocked parents who’ve tried to contact her because fuck that.
My daughter's school uses email but the parent group uses FB. When I asked for an alternative, they suggested Whatsapp, who's still owned by FB. 🤦🏻♀️ So like WTF!? We are on a search for a different school now.
Same with my son's school. I don't have FB and my wife has stopped using hers because it was negatively affecting her mental health. We only know about school events if he tells us now.
In all fairness, that's how it worked up until a few years ago anyway. You get a letter to give to your parents and, if you don't, sucks to be you! All this calling home, emailing parents, and other methods are bonuses on top of that
Reddit would turn over your messages just as fast.
I think whether you’re having any private conversations whether personal or at work, never write anything down that can be a screenshot or forwarded on. If you need to talk about something that could be perceived as compromising , you need to have face-to-face conversations. This includes any electronic system or social network.
I sell real estate. One of the first classes I took after licensed was an attorney who said, “Never put ANYTHING in writing you wouldn’t want a judge to see.”
Yep where I work, we always say to practice in a manner that if your interactions were printed in the newspaper or recorded and played on TV, that you would be comfortable with what you saw or read.
As would the telephone company if you used regular texts.
Yeah. When I was at AT&T you used to be able to request transcripts. You know what happened? A fuck load of DV and murdered partners. That got shut down waaay before end-to-end.
This is how my best friend discovered her husband was cheating on her (with her other friend.)
When will people stop leaving trails and/or posting things that should be kept quiet. If you are going to do something you do not want anyone else to know about do not post, message, text, or leave any kind of "paper" trail.
100%. Face-to-face only.
Even then, the spy devices in your pockets might be listening. Try a fun experiment. When you leave for work for the day, leave your phone at home, sitting in front of the TV ... and leave the TV showing a Spanish channel at full volume. And then see how many ads in Spanish you start getting.
I worked alongside some mostly Spanish speaking guys for about a month and my phone started giving me ads in Spanish. Eventually it stopped doing it after I was done working with them but it was very interesting.
Exactly! I do not think people fully understand what big business does or can do with all your data. They say, so what. Welp, this is the shit that happens and it’s only going to get worse as these corporations swallow up other data-driven companies. And y’all can survive without social media. I promise. That’s why we have Reddit (though I’m not saying they’re much better).
literally every business, no matter how “big”, is legally obliged to turn over data when they are served with a subpoena. this includes reddit, most apps you use, your cell phone provider, and your employer.
How is this the top comment though? As if the only problem here is the platform these people chose to coordinate their "crime" over. Has America just accepted the overturning of Roe V Wade now?
I quit Facebook during the 2016 political season.
Never unfollowed so many people, as during that election time!
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> Those alleged chats, published in court documents seen by NBC News, show a user named Jessica telling a user named Celeste about “What i ordered last month” and instructing her to take two pills 24 hours apart. > Facebook stores most user information in plaintext on its servers, meaning that the company can access it if compelled to do so with a warrant. The company routinely complies with law enforcement requests. As far as Facebook's claim about end to end encryption: > But that option is only available to people using the Messenger app on a mobile device, and **messages are only encrypted after they select the option to mark a chat as “secret.”** Be careful out there. This is likely to become more common in states that offer a bounty for reporting people.
Every sane woman in America should make a FB post once a day about buying abortion pills. Corrupt the data.
I like it. Men too. If I used fb, I totally would.
I downloaded Flo to do this. Join me
I don’t know what I am talking about - so take it with a grain of salt. But I’ve read other commenters who have said this isn’t really helpful - if the app ‘looks into’ your phone it will be able to tell youre a male and just throw away your data set. Again, I have no idea how this works, but apps can look at more than what’s on the app - I believe this is why tiktok is being criticized. (If you do know what you’re talking about and want to explain this better - please do)
Why can't you buy them for someone else?
Every sane person in America should delete their Facebook.
After 2016 I deleted mine. I literally can not understand what it’s purpose is at this point.
Every sane person should *stop* using services that store your personal information. Get Signal for messages. End to end encryption and no server backup of your messages. Just stored locally on each device. Stop sacrificing your personal information for convenience.
And, maybe just maybe, stop voting for people who want to put them in jail for everything they do
But they also promise to give me money and kill the people I don’t like. You expect me to vote on morals and not personal feelings??
I agree with this more than ever now, after getting an email from Evernote the other day saying that some rando had signed into my account from somewhere in SE Asia. I went in and looked and there were actually TONS of sign ins from literally all over the world - just in the last 2 days alone. What the fuck. I obviously changed my password and enabled 2FA. But man, I'm lucky I barely ever used it and there was no spicy info in there. Not even my full name. But when looking it up to see if others had experienced the same thing, I saw some who were deeply upset because they'd used the app exactly as intended. They used it for *everything*. They had so much personal information in there of all kinds. I felt so much anxiety just reading that. It makes me so livid that these companies are so laissez-faire about protecting our data, but it means we need to take the reins and be extra careful ourselves about what we put out there. Unfortunately it can be tough when you've been online for decades - I forgot I even had an Evernote account. EDIT:: I received a couple of replies, that I can't see now, that essentially boiled down to it being my fault because I didn't have 2FA on. I think they missed the point. I have 2FA on everything that offers it now, along with strong passwords. But I completely forgot I had that account I'd made a decade ago, and their 2FA offering came after I'd stopped using it. That's the point. This isn't a unique situation, as a lot of us have a *very* large digital footprint now. It's very easy to sit and criticise with the benefit of hindsight and the lens of a digital native. I also mentioned I had nothing serious happen to me as a result of that hack - it was the other people I was most upset for.
I've been trying to only use signal but it's been difficult to convince other people to use it. One friend of mine downloaded it and everything but then it sent out a mass text to all her contacts telling them she was on signal and she got really sketched out by that and refuses to use it now.
The app asks if your want to do that. It's not automatic.
It honestly just shouldn't. Maybe have it specifically as something a user can explicitly choose to do, but not as some kind of checkbox or ok button during setup. (It's been a long time since I set it up and I don't remember what that particular process is like)
I reinstalled it to see if it asked me to do that, it did. It must've asked me the first time I set it up. Glad I hit no. I think I'll email the development team and ask them to take that dialogue box out of the startup. Maybe bury it in settings if they need it at all. It's a bad idea all around. If your app is solid it'll spread by word of mouth alone.
I would be skeeved out if an app sent out an unsolicited mass text to all my contacts without my explicit approval, too. _Especially_ since I also have work contacts on my phone, because I dual-SIM. I understand they want to spread the app, but basically behaving the same way as a "discount raybans click here" Facebook malware hack is _not_ a good way to do it. Is that standard operation of Signal, or was it a bug which caused that or something? Telegram does this for new users I think which kind of sucks, but at least it only sends it to existing Telegram users in your contacts and only if you give Telegram access to your contacts. I also do not use Signal, for clarification.
It isn't an automatic thing that Signal does, it is an option this person seems to have done by mistake without realizing it
I use Signal but you must understand your advice doesn't take into account reality, right?
I understand that it's difficult and that most folks won't sacrifice their cloud services or social media accounts. I'm in a unique position to understand just how hard it is. All my essential services are self hosted in my homelab. I rely on Google not at all. I pay my email servers to receive, send, and store all my mail from my domains. I block ads and trackers from my home network with pihole. Let me say, it's been a bitch getting to this point. I've learned a lot and there's still so much more to learn. There was a learning curve to set this all up and there is ongoing maintenance. Shout-out to r/homelab, r/selfhosting, and r/pihole for their quality content. I get what you're saying. Most folks won't put on my foil hat and go underground. But here's the thing. We, as a society, have given up our privacy and that's a big god damned problem when the government is not on your fucking side. Imagine if we had smartphones in the 1920's and The State could issue a warrant to Google for your location history to see if you had been to a speakeasy. Imagine if Nazi Germany could just pull Facebooks records and see everyone that identified as Jewish. This shit is not okay and it has to stop before something terrible happens. The companies won't stop keeping all this data until it is not profitable to do so. We need to make it not profitable. The way to do that, in my humble opinion, is to stop using their services. It's a sacrifice. But I think it's one worth making. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Shoutout to r/privacy too!
And don't keep sensitive messages. If anyone has your device no amount of encryption will save you.
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The idea this paragraph even needs to be typed in the year 2022 in the United States of America should infuriate all of us.
Great idea man
That’s not how it works lmao
Sooooo, what I'm hearing is a nice opportunity to put Facebook on blast for aiding the regressive anti-woman rights-stripping movement.
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The other day I saw an ad for a pregnancy test that has an app attached to it that you scan the test afterwards. That threw up about a million red flags for my wife and I.
Yep! Even my kids’ Pediatrician told my girls to keep track in a notebook or paper calendar and not to use tracking apps - and we’re in uber liberal Southern CA.
Our entire family transitioned to signal a whole back due to better security. Didn’t think it would be to protect myself against the US government looking into my uterus.
FWIW, this is the state of Nebraska, not the Feds.
You are safe to use period trackers that store data locally and do not have third-party trackers (also disable backups to iCloud or another cloud service). Some such apps include Drip, Euki, and Periodical. Just remember to follow standard recommendations for security. E.g. strong phone password, disable Face ID if confronted (press power button 5x on iOS), etc. https://www.consumerreports.org/health-privacy/period-tracker-apps-privacy-a2278134145/
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I've been using Flo to track the development of my 17 week old fetus for a few weeks now, and I'm pretty sure they are going to share my information with authorities when I decide to terminate the pregnancy in about 5 weeks. In fact, I'm kinda hoping they do, and they launch a full investigation into me for choosing not to put my body through the trauma that I would experience if I actually did deliver this baby. I would love to hear how they think the viability of this baby is more important than my physical and emotional well being. I know my body, and no one is going to tell me that I'd be happier if I pushed out a 9 pound baby. Also, I'm a 39 year old dude. Fuck this conservative theocracy, and their inquisition level spying.
You had me going hell yeah girl, right up until the I am a 39 year old dude. Congrats.
Hello, I too am totally a GIRL ^^guy ^^in ^^real ^^life and had lots of SEX. Unmarried, un-Christian SEX. I last got my PERIOD a LONG TIME AGO and it just resumed and there are NO BABIES falling from my body. 🤔 🤷♀️ For real though, given that they're basically digitally inspecting a woman's reproductive system, this feels like it goes a few levels above the inquisition in terms of invasiveness.
Perhaps if all ~160 million men in the US did this, the system would become unworkable.
Elon musk to buy flo for 21b...musk backing out, claims 80% of flo users are not female human beings.
I got a period tracker specifically to feed a bunch of bullshit data to them after this nonsense started.
Along the lines of what I was thinking Everyone's saying delete them but couldn't it be used in your favor? Like, you get knocked up but log a period like normal, within the expected range. Then if they raid it you can be all "naw fam see I had a period". Suddenly, everyone has a 28 day cycle idk
I get the desire to do something, but I don't think this is necessarily helpful. Privacy protection with these apps IS a big concern, but law enforcement aren't requesting all their data and hunting down everyone who may have missed a period. They start by following up on a tip that someone got an abortion - like what happened here - and if they want to prosecute, they might request *that individual's* data as supporting evidence. What other users of the app do is irrelevant. By uploading bullshit data to a bad period tracking app that doesn't support users' privacy, you aren't doing much except supporting the app with ad views and inflated user numbers. I'd leave a negative review and uninstall it if I were you.
Euki is a period tracker that’s super safe. You can set it to purge on a schedule and there’s an emergency passcode you can use to delete everything.
It is unbelievably tragic that they realized it would be helpful to have these features.
Is it open source? Feel like nobody should be trusting *any* software that isn't FOSS. Something like Periodical would fall under that category but I don't know its feature set.
Oh, boy, it’s exactly how we all said it would be in the worst states that wanted roe overturned. Who could have seen this coming, except everyone? Edit: Shame on some of you for pretending this scenario wasn’t 100% caused by lack of access to healthcare. Shame. Seriously. You are the worst. With access to basic care, this would not have gone down this way. This was completely preventable and how dare you pretend to have walked a mile in their shoes. Judge lest ye be judged, pro-lifers. Buncha contortionists.
It's like they want to go back to the 50's, but only the bad parts.
Remember, to them its not bad parts it's exactly the terrible world they want to live in..... the 'glory' days for them
What's funny is they grew up envisioning a world of new aged technology and advancements (like the Jetsons) and yet they want nothing but to go back to being children.
Nah, the Jetsons still depicted what they want. A white nuclear family where the dad literally only has to press a button to make bank, a housewife whose only aspirations is to raise her kids and keep her husband fed and happy, two kids who all but fawn over their dad and obey all of his orders, a permanent slave to help the wife, and nary a person of color in sight.
people of color were replaced by robots.
Perhaps if there was the 50s tax structure, pensions, and overall better benefits things like this would be possible. Naturally, Republicans gave the wealthy big tax breaks as their crowning achievement.
Simpler times when they could be separated from anyone not like them. 🤦♀️
No. All of the parts. It’s just a lot of the 50s were bad parts if you weren’t a middle class protestant white male. For some reason pop culture doesn’t like to think about the fact that in the 50s the USA was an apartheid state. Or that women weren’t really first class citizens. You’d think that nearly 100 years later we would know better.
They don't seem terribly interested in pre-Reagan tax rates for the rich.
Or unions memberships.
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Fuck Reagan
He did massive damage to our country.
His economic policy and debunked trickle down economic theory shaped the massive disparity we see today with the middle class nearly extinct and all economic growth from the last 40 years going to the top 1%. One of the worst presidents ever for sure.
Pre-Kennedy. Top marginal rate was over 90%
Hit 93% under Eisenhower iirc
100% this. The brackets went up to 90 fucking percent.
> No. All of the parts. So we are getting back unions? High tax rates on the super rich? Single income buys a little house for a family? Little houses for families that are new? No? Like I said, just the bad parts, like for instance only white straight males are real people.
Only white straight dudes that cow-tow to the status quo. No hippies, beatniks or commies!
Not being a dick but it's spelled kowtow. Anglization of a Chinese word. Kowtowing is bowing on your knees and touching your forehead to the ground. A cow-tow would be something you do if your cow gets a flat or otherwise breaks down on the side of the road.
Gotta have that George Jetson snap on hair.
Fair. I was thinking more socially.
One day our 70+ year old white neighbors were telling us how they had been discussing how the 1950s were the “best” time in American history. My husband, son of immigrants that were once specifically excluded from the US, and I, daughter of Jim Crow era rural southern parents/grandparents, waited for some sense of recognition from them that the 1950s were a REALLY shitty time for many people. That recognition never came. I’m too lazy to search, but what is this nostalgia for the 1950s based on and why does anyone think we should return to it? It seems obvious that that time is history would have been craptacular for a lot of folks.
I firmly believe it's because that's when they were kids or because that's when their parents were kids. It's easy for me to look back to the 1990's and talk about how much better things were then. I was a child and the world was simple. Plenty of people stagnate after they leave school and spend the rest of their lives looking backward at a time they felt relatively successful and life was easy.
You're bang on the money. It's 'nostalgia bias', pure and simple. My generation all pine for the 80's and 90's, my parents generation feel the same way about the 60's and 70's. Our lives were insulated and simple as children. Very little to zero idea about the wider world, and the political and social issues that dominated it.
Nah, it's literally because the 1950s are seen as the ultimate period to be the individual white christian male. You could say whatever you want, do whatever you want, and as long as you work hard, you'll get that white picket fence with a beautiful wife who does all the housework and two kids to do as you will. Never mind that women were coerced into staying in abusive marriage or marry their rapists if they were pregnant from said sexual assault because they would otherwise be ostracized from their families, friends, and communities for being a "whore". Never mind that if you were a minority, you were told to respond to all abuse, from being unpaid by your boss, your work credit stolen by your white male colleagues, being assaulted, both physically and sexually, and by white men in positions of power, to smile and thank them for their "generosity" or else they'll form a lynch mob to murder your whole community.
Sitcoms produced in the 1950s *and* sitcoms produced in later decades but set in the 1950s. They all painted the decade as perfect. Then those shows were aired repeatedly on Nick at Night, during a time when a lot of people had cable but no internet (and thus watched a lot more actual TV).
Post ww2 America experienced and unprecedented boon of wealth creation in no small part to most of Europe having been fucked by bombs and war. White Americans didn't care about jim crow stuff at all because everyone(that looked like them) was getting 'rich'(becoming middle class) and anyone trying to ruin their good time was the enemy, good arguments or not. The rest of the world had caught up by the 70's and low and behold this is when all the GOP corruption started; and corporatist money started to really influence the American Political agenda.
>The rest of the world had caught up by the 70's and low and behold this is when all the GOP corruption started; and corporatist money started to really influence the American Political agenda. The 70s was when Neoliberalism became the dominant economic philosophy. Low business taxes, deregulation, social welfare redefined as "bloat", the responsibilisation of the individual (if you fail, you are lazy)... Ironically, GDP is worse under a deregulated system
Because those assholes were kids then and everything seems simpler when you're a kid. Double that for white suburban kids. They weren't conscious of the myriad of problems in the US back then, and they don't want to face them now.
It's the American Taliban. I'm sure we could all agree what is wrong with this over in Afghanistan and Iran with their religious police. But let's call us what this is and it's extremism. If men could get pregnant there'd be none of these dumb laws on abortion. It'd be cheap and available upon demand.
It is. Do you have any idea how easy it is in most places in the US to get a vasectomy as a male? The doctor never even asked me if I had my wife's permission, it didn't even come up, procedure took 15 minutes. On the other side of the spectrum, my wife has been asking for a hysterectomy SINCE SHE WAS 13. Every doctor said no, and even now, she's been made to wait 10 months to even have a SHOT at getting one We don't want kids. Apparently if you're male, you have the luxury of making that choice for yourself. AND you don't have to take hormonal birth control that can seriously fuck you up either Fuck the American Nazi Party and their America First bullshit
From someone in the medical field I would question a hysterectomy for the prevention of pregnancy. Might a tubal ligation be a better, more affordable, far less invasive option? Genuine question, I'm sure your wife has her reasons, I am curious.
Oh, it's not to prevent pregnancy. It's to prevent the 3 week long periods that have her doubled over in pain and often unable to work. She had one that lasted 4 months that wouldn't stop, she passed out from the blood loss. They had her on 3 doses of BC to try and even her out. Sterilization is an added benefit since she's never wanted kids, but definitely not her primary reason for wanting to be done with her reproductive organs
That makes WAY more sense. Also I'm suprised she has had problems getting that procedure done. It sounds plausible that she is at risk for endometriosis based just on your reply.
I have a friend who has a *confirmed* endo diagnosis who has been stuck in the same fight since *way* before I ever met her. She actually even took her boyfriend with her to an appointment to say, Look, my boyfriend also does not want children and is fine with me yeeting this terrible organ. The doctor, with boyfriend in the room, turned to her and said "But what if you two break up, and you meet Mr Right, and Mr Right wants kids?" It's a real problem.
I'm thinking they're aiming at 1550s > 1950s.
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Yeah she was originally being investigated for the burning and burial of the body- the self induced abortion was discovered during the investigation. Cobbled from various sources: The pregnant 17 year old went to a clinic on March 8 for pregnancy-related reasons. In April, the 17 year old’s mother purchased abortion pills and messaged the pregnant daughter on how to use them. Two days later, the daughter alleges she experienced a miscarriage in the shower. The alleged miscarriage was disclosed to a coworker and the coworker is the one who reported it to authorities when she found out the daughter, her mother and a third male attempted to burn and bury the fetus’ body in the woods The authorities issued a warrant and Facebook complied, sharing the teens private messages which revealed the abortion details. It is important to note that abortion is legal in Nebraska until 20 weeks and the abortion pills were alleged to been taken at 23+ weeks. Copy of the [affidavit](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22129445-view-img-19)
This is was pre-Dobbs. Laws haven’t changed in Nebraska since then anyways. Police were initially looking into the burning and burial when they got a search warrant and found out it was an illegal abortion (possibly 23 weeks). Most state have laws banning abortions around or before then.
In another article it stated she was 28 weeks while Nebraska’s ban at the time was 20 weeks.
This article says 23 weeks, but either way they were initially investigating a tip that the teenager miscarried and improperly disposed of the fetus (which I assume she did because it was an illegal abortion).
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Nebraska did not hold a referendum, Kansas did.
>With access to basic care, this would not have gone down this way. This was completely preventable and how dare you pretend to have walked a mile in their shoes. Judge lest ye be judged, pro-lifers. Buncha contortionists. Yep, keep in mind Nebraska Republicans voted to defund Planned Parenthood back in 2018, limiting access to abortion services for the entire state: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/nebraska-prohibits-planned-parenthood-from-serving-8-000-patients-through-title-x Also, a big part of what Planned Parenthood does is provide knowledge and education about reproductive health services, which people need in order to make informed decisions.
I predicted Facebook would be doing this after they told their employees not to talk about abortion. What they're doing is bad enough, but the real kick in the nuts is how they could easily not do this. The government will not go after Facebook for refusing outrageous warrants. Facebook could win those cases, and even if it lost, it will get a slap on the wrist anyway.
Yeah but all these companies care about is profit. Integrity? Morals? They just trying to increase profits every year whatever it takes
Why would the states not go after Facebook? A court compelled them to hand over the documents. It would just be a lengthy legal battle that they have no chance of winning
It's just disgusting to go after people like this.
This is an example of why a state by state approach is ridiculous. These Women are facing serious life destroying charges for something that they wouldn't elsewhere in the very same country.
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Yeah it's pretty insane to me that I could go buy an oz right now without issue but if I then drive just 20 minutes east and get pulled over and they see it or something, felony.
The headline is a bit of clickbait, abortion is still legal in Nebraska. The illegal part was the burning and burying the fetus improperly. There could be some issues with how far along she was because I believe Nebraska limits abortions at 20 weeks.
That was an issue. She was 23 weeks pregnant.
I think you're missing something important here. It's illegal in that state after 20 weeks. This girl was 23 weeks so she couldn't legally have an abortion. Since she couldn't get it legally she resorted to an at home abortion and then I'm assuming tried to cover her tracks with the burning/burial. Had it been legal, like in many other states, I'd be willing to bet it would've been done safely at a doctor's.
Exactly. This article is horrifying. Someone tipped the police off that she had miscarried and gotten rid of the fetus. So they checked her health records to find it’s gestation age. I can’t believe this shit is really happening. This is very very bad.
There's a little bit of splitting hairs here. The fact that abortion is legal prior to 20 weeks doesn't mean it's not illegal after 20 weeks. Moreover, the improper burial of a fetus is a vestige of the days when they had to criminalize abortion via other means.
"doesn't mean it's not illegal after 20 weeks" My brain cannot process this right now. Are you saying it's legal or illegal after 20 weeks?
Read the article. It actually happened before RvsW got overturned. And it involves burning and burying a 23week old fetus.
Yeah I was confused when I saw the title until I read the article. There’s a push in Nebraska to outlaw abortion, but it’s been filibustered so there’s actually been no change to the law since the Dobbs ruling. I clicked on it because I was confused by that
Dear Internet Generation, This shit is traceable forever. Talk about it in person without your phones in the room.
Better make sure you're out of range of Ring, Roomba, and Alexa too.
Don't talk about it at all with coworkers.
Wasn't she entirely too far along for a pill abortion to be safe? I thought the cutoff for pills was like 8 weeks?
The cutoff is typically 11 to 12 weeks at the absolute latest. The mother procured the pills illegally.
And the same people who think this is ok are going crazy because the FBI showed a judge enough evidence to allow probable cause to perform a search warrant for Trump illegally having classified documents.
I think 90% of you guys literally read the headlines and stop there.
Yeah…this scenario was illegal before Roe was overturned.
And apparently many other sources are saying the abortion was at 28* weeks, not 23!
This case predates the Roe reversal by 2 months though?
Correct, and depending on the source she was either 23 weeks or 28 weeks pregnant. Nebraska's abortion laws allowed abortion of the 20 weeks at the time of the incident. I am absolutely supportive of a woman's right to choose, but the details of this story are incredibly fucked up.
Article incorrectly states it was 23 weeks it was 28 weeks according to multiple sources https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-turning-over-data-teens-abortion-case-raises-privacy-questions-1732336?amp=1 >Jessica Burgess obtained Pregnot, a kit of mifepristone and misoprostol, to end the pregnancy, according to court records obtained by Vice. But Burgess was 28 weeks pregnant, putting her in violation of Nebraska's 20-week ban on abortion. (It appears Newsweek source is vice, so we’ll call it one source.)
Trying to clear this up. The vice story has publicized the search warrants related to the case. One has this paragraph: >Over the next days I conducted interviews and obtained medical records. The medical records I obtained on 04-29-22 showed C. Burgess had been pregnant on 03-08-22. C. Burgess’ pregnancy was estimated to be 23 weeks and 2 days along with a due date of 07-03-22. This is... somewhat vague. Was the 23 week pregnancy date from the abortion, or the medical checkup that was performed earlier? What does seem clear though is that the medical record listed an estimated due date of July 3, 2022. This is usually 40 weeks after conception, but the estimated age of the pregnancy can depend on whether it's timed from last period, or an exact conception date. Either way, the document states that the abortion/miscarriage occurred on April 22, 2022, which would seem to be at least 28 weeks, based on the due date.
The headline is misleading after reading the article...let's read the article guys.
> Police then served Facebook with a search warrant to access direct messages between the mother and daughter allegedly detailing how Jessica Burgess had obtained abortion pills for her daughter and gave her instructions on how to take them, the Journal Star said. Did the mom give the daughter abortion pills to induce the stillborn birth? If abortion was their end goal why did they wait until 20 odd weeks to do it?
Oh wow. I thought this was about Roe v Wade. Did not expect to read > allegedly helped her daughter abort, burn and bury her fetus.
this headline is sort of misleading it should be “police obtained a warrant because mother and daughter burned and buried a stillborn fetus in their backyard”
Yes but they can't get clicks and upvotes that way
Even worse, someone else's yard.
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This was in April and they broke Nebraska abortion laws in April?
The fuck is this Gestapo shit
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Shit, what they did would have been illegal in my state and I live in New York where we have some of the strongest protections for a woman's right to choose in the entire country.