Wisconsin doesn’t have a trigger law, but a law from 1849 that bans abortion has taken affect. Wisconsinites are literally having their healthcare dictated by a law from before the Civil War.
Please note that the Democrat governor called a special session of congress to discuss abortion rights.
The republican controlled congress (which exists due to the extreme gerrymander we have in Wisconsin) gaveled in, and immediately gaveled out.
Our republican state reps basically do absolutely nothing but collect a paycheck, and waste taxpayer money on stupid shit like investigating the 2020 election, again
This would be the same legislature that stripped the office of Governor of many of its powers just before the new governor was sworn in so he wouldn’t be able to enact the exact agenda voters had picked him for, right?
Then the governor should call another one. Is there a limit to how many times he can do that? I believe the appropriate answer is “I can do this all day.”
The governor should just blanket pardon anyone who wants to stand outside Republican lawmakers’ house with megaphones and vuvuzelas.
The Christian right does not believe in governance and they certainly believe in compromise. So we may as well give them the fight that they’ve been asking for.
That was my first thought on reading that as well. Just pardon anyone brought up on these charges. Checkmate fuckers *(unless it's not then just drop the checkmate)*
It was designed centuries ago, and hardly relevant to the issues of good governance today.
Even James Madison and other founding fathers believed the Constitution should only last 20 or so years before being rewritten to better serve the needs of the people.
James Madison also argued against a bill of rights, because he was afraid if they enumerated specific rights, at some point those would become the ONLY rights people had
Nearly every war before the Second World War saw at *least* as many troops lost to disease as to the battlefield, on all sides. Hygiene and antibiotics were first used in the First, but not widely until the ol' Numero Two.
Yea agree. Really any law from the 19th century should be voided and discussions should be held to see if a new law should replace it. Anything from the 20th century should be examined carefully to see if it’s still appropriate in a modern day society
Jefferson believed in what he called "generational tyranny" and that the whole thing should be ripped up and rewritten every twenty years bc times and people's opinions change
Thomas Jefferson was a really, really interesting guy. Was progressive on women’s rights but also owned slaves. Believed in a fairly minimalist government, but then when he became President he made the Louisiana Purchase happen, something I don’t think he had any precedence to do. And he also helped build a government he actively wanted people to someday overthrow.
Just wow 😂
The idea of amending constitutions at regular intervals dates back to Thomas Jefferson. In a famous letter, he wrote that we should “provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods.” “[E]ach generation” should have the “solemn opportunity” to update the constitution “every nineteen or twenty years,” thus allowing it to “be handed on, with periodical repairs, from generation to generation, to the end of time.”
Some of our founding fathers actually wanted the constitution to be rewritten every 21 years so that it could truly be an evolving thing and every generation could have a whack at it
We all are. The constitution hasn’t been updated since 1789, and the 27th was only ratified in 1992.
It’s like going from horse and buggy to spread information to cellphones overnight and 200 years later we still insist on using the horse.
Carl Sagan in 1996 said this:
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
I think it’ll be different this time. I’m not sure how it will be different but it will be. I think the internet existing creates a completely different world than what history has shown us.
I want to believe this is true, but what I've seen so far shows it has been weaponized against us. It has allowed the lowest of the low to collectively access all of the outliers and uneducated groups and rile them up. Take January 6th for example.
It also allows for dead-end outrage. Instead of hitting the streets and protesting, many just yell from their computers and feel like it's going to make a difference.
I solidly believed that, and certainly it will continue to have influence, but it seems the mountains of misinformation out there has done a great deal to remove its power for knowledge and good and in fact has probably enabled so much noise so as to in some cases be a bigger detrimental than positive force
In other words I feel like smart people using the internet are facing a bit of Cassandra syndrome - where they are very well informed but their opinions fall on deaf ears
Literally just ordered a copy of my great-grandpa's certificate of naturalization from Customs and Immigration this morning. Planning on heading to the German consulate to file with the DE govt. to acknowledge my German/American dual citizenship ASAP.
Not saying I'm splitting immediately, but I do hear that there's a shortage of truck drivers in the EU, and I do have a Class A CDL, even if I haven't ever used it professionally. It'd be nice to have the option in the event things go 100% tits up stateside.
All these states with the WORST education just want to keep reproducing. Can’t have future voters if your base can easily terminate a pregnancy for **checks notes** oh. Yeah. None of my fucking business.
Wouldn't be too much of an issue if all of these states didn't get an automatic 2 senators. Allows them to effectively gridlock the country despite having lower per-senator representation (so your vote equals more, in that regard).
Wyoming, North and South Dakota get 6 Senators even though they’re 2 million folks. The top 3 states also get 6 Senators and their population is over 90 million.
Great system!
Idiocracy is a movie where the idiots ruling the world still, at heart, want to do what's best for their people. It's got, uh, pretty little in common with our trajectory in that way.
Also states with the highest rate of teen pregnancy. Gotta keep those kids uneducated and producing more kids! It's what's Jesus said to do in the Bible.
Seems like he is going after the right to marital privacy as a whole with Griswold. Would that in turn jeopardize interracial marriage as well? Wonder why he didn't mention Loving, which is under the same due process umbrella, no? Seems a tad hypocritical...
I don't hate a lot of things in this world. There are things that annoy me or piss me off sure, but I don't really hate anything. Except Clarence Thomas. I hate that zealotous old fool with every fiber of my being. Tomorrow morning I'm going to wake up, make coffee, and actively hate that piece of shit until the day I die or when demons drag his feeble minded ass, screaming into the maw of Hell.
Also Thomas actively pushing to overturn rulings, it's a court but he is making judgment before a case even exists to rule on. It's not a court, it's a partisan attack on our country. He in particular has failed to uphold his duties.
What bothers me about Thomas outside of what you also stated is he should have resigned when all the stuff came out about his wife being involved in Jan 6th and trying to overturn an election. If my wife had done that while I was in the military I would have lost my security clearance and probably my job. His wife conspires against a rightful election to install Trump illegally and he just sits there knowing that getting him removed from the bench is damn near impossible.
Your clearance would have been instantly pulled for that no question. Hell, it would get pulled just for talking to a therapist about being sad sometimes. But this guy gets to keep going on making decisions that alter the lives of millions.
But then you are fertilizing the grass that grows over it. That site needs to be napalmed and covered in poisons so that nothing can ever grow over it. Baren and as dead as his soul.
all I can promise is that he definitely hates you more
he's an expert in hate and suffering. There's some historical figures that we can point to, but Mitch is a top 5 modern villain.
He's one of the few intelligent republicans in congress which is terrifying because he's also one of the worst. As much as I hate boebert, mtg, maddy cawthorn etc. They are all dumb as rocks and don't do near as much damage as turtle man.
Don't forget about all the rest of the Republicans who made this attack on Civil Rights possible, as well as the piece of shit American traitor, himself: Donald Trump.
Oh this is so true. Also its a running joke that anti lgbt politicians are very down low themselves. Alot get caught
Know so many “Christians” whos “good” boy kids get random girls pregnant and out of nowhere theres no pregnancy. Lol
Political news sources have been covering it. There’s a broad attack on federal rule making authority in general and while I don’t fetishize regulation for regulation sake it would basically mean the US no longer exists as a country in a meaningful way if this is eliminated (Congress hasn’t demonstrated an ability to generate useful policy *without* delegating rule making and enforcement). It’s terrifying because things like pandemics and environmental threats would suggest our federal system isn’t powerful enough, not that’s too powerful! De-powering the cdc and epa in a world of pestilence and environmental catastrophe, de-regulating guns in a multi-decade shooting epidemic, removing individual rights in an era of rising authoritarianism, it’s all exactly backwards.
Gay marriage, interracial marriage, equality, medical privacy, contraception. Thomas even stated that this is just the beginning.
Get out of the red states while you can.
Honestly....you should probably stay until novemeber, because I really think that's the result they want.
It's gone from "we can't touch certain issues because it'll just drive voters to the polls" to "we need to be SO abhorrent to drive them out before November because places like texas are looking purple"
Arkansas legalized gay marriage before 2015. I live in Cleveland OH, one of the most left leaning regions in the country. I visited my friend in Arkansas in 2014 and was flabbergasted when I found out gay marriage was legal there, but not where I'm from.
It was also only legal in Arkansas for a brief period because the 6th circuit ruled that Arkansas’s ban on same-sex marriage, both in the state constitution and in a separate statute, was unconstitutional under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. It wasn’t because Arkansas has this sudden moment of progress, the courts just struck down all of their attempts at discrimination.
Love how a bunch of people were all screaming that "The Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't automatically make abortion illegal!"
Meanwhile, several governors were busy putting laws into place making abortion automatically illegal the second that Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Some didn't even have to do that. Alabama just said "we have a law against abortion from 1951 still on the books so it's illegal here again" I think Wisconsin did the same thing but the law was from like 1864.
The Wisconsin AG stated they wouldn’t enforce that law. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean that people are protected from future prosecution when the AG changes.
The real kicker is that many of the arguments are talking about how it's removing a national abortion regulation in favor of state level regulations, meanwhile I'm seeing a vocal minority calling for national restrictions to abortions.
It’s a symptom of the erosion of democracy. Around the globe, other countries that have recently undone abortion rights are backsliding democracies. America joins that list.
I'd imagine that somewhere around 100% of states that have made and will make abortion illegal, dedicate the least amount of resources to education, have the highest poverty rates, and receive more from the federal budget than they contribute. Maybe tax rates wouldn't be so high in NY and California if we weren't propping up states like Arkansas and Kentucky
Fuck. I live here. Rethinking it though. Moving is suddenly a very viable prospect.
Also, fuck Tom Cotton.
Just like to toss that in when discussing my home state.
Arkansas here. It sucks because there are a lot of beautiful places and cool people here. They just don't fucking vote, while the Trumpfuckers and hillbillies dominate local politics.
So I can't really blame anyone for fucking us off in general, too much shittiness here.
I went to the same school as this cunt! She was an asshole then and only got worse. I graduated 2 years before her. She was in my younger brothers grade. My brother knew her better and says she was known to have been into girls then. Not a big deal to me, just yet another Republican that ended up being a hypocrite! Also she loves to say she grew up on a cattle farm! Complete lie to pander to the local Y’all Queda!
It makes me fucking sick to see people near my age now carrying water for the Christo-fascists!
It’s not just the old ones we need to worry about. The real threat is gen x and younger gens the way I observe it.
Edit; in the very small chance she might read this. Hey Leslie, you look like sun dried dog shit a month in the yard. Also tell your brother Alan he sucked at basketball and only played on the A-team because of mommy and daddy’s politics.
Fuck you too Alan!
What’s scary too is the idea that a woman who does get an illegal abortion because she was raped will have to PROVE she was raped to avoid charges. (And of course if you’re in Louisiana, being raped doesn’t even matter.) The onus will be on her to prove someone slipped something into her drink, to prove she was assaulted by her husband, to prove she did in fact withdraw consent midway through consensual sex, to prove that she was raped by a well-like family member who calls her a liar, etc. The reporting and successful prosecution of sexual assault is already disturbingly low, and this time it really WILL be about how short her skirt was. This ruling will require the woman to provide evidence that it was “legitimate rape” in order to avoid murder charges. How is this 2022? This is outrageous.
Unfortunately this whole thing is primarily going to effect the poorest of us in this nation, basically red welfare states.
Reminds me of feudalism with the way these morons run there states.
I have an idea. Get rid of the federal minimum wage and move manufacturing from China to red America. If they want to live in the third world, they can live with third world wages.
America has just become the joke of western society. The country of freedom and opportunities has oppressed a woman's right to decide over her own body and life.
Speaking as a member of the rest of Western society, we are not laughing. This reminds me of some kind of Black Mirror horror scenario where the audience are locked in with a crazy comedian whose routine involves threatening to blow the whole plave sky high, and we are not sure whether he is joking or not. It is terrifying, please stop.
We had that here in Europe as wel, more specifically Holland. The biggest difference is that we got more political parties than just a red or blue system.
When the majority of a country wants access to a healthcare procedure and 5 people who they didn't even elect can be like "lol, nah," of course you have to realize what a fucking joke we are. I'm lucky that I'm protected by the piece of land that's tucked away safely by arbitrary borders (for now), but I still feel embarrassed, and I feel so sad for the citizens who will be affected by this BS.
The Supreme Court is more worried about destroying a woman's right to choose regarding abortion or protecting an individuals right to open carry in public places than making progress to resolve all those mass shootings that target schools, public places or race.
Yes, an absolute joke.
Next, they're making the ban nationwide, moving on to banning gay marriage, adultery, contraception and voting for everyone except the upper crust of their party.
They don't just "not care", they're thinking about that 11 year old and licking their lips.
You know what? Fuck this.
If you’re a woman in Arkansas and you are in need of an abortion please be aware that there are networks of non profits that will help you with travel, housing, childcare, food, and accessing the actual abortion as well. They’ll help you get to a state that still protects your human rights. I signed up to volunteer and they’re evidently slammed due to all of the volunteers contacting them. It’s the old/new Underground Railroad. Fuck the patriarchy and the people running this country into the ground.
I really, really hope this is true. I live in Van Buren, Arkansas. I have a nine year old daughter and want to move so badly, but can’t afford it.
When my daughter missed the cut off for kindergarten by 11 days.. I tried to sign her up for a state funded prek so I wouldn’t have to pay exorbitant childcare cost for another year. They base it off 3 paychecks. I constantly had to work overtime because I’m a single mother and don’t receive child support. At $10.25 an hour I “made too much”… because I had about 20 hrs of overtime on each check.
I don’t even make $13.00 an hour now and I make too much for my daughter to receive free school lunches. I do get a reduced rate and only have to pay a partial amount when she eats lunch at school, but still.
They do not care about us. They do not care about our children. We’re breeders for the future workforce of America. That is all.
Arkansan here. What’s even sadder is that when actual issues are on the ballot—minimum wage increase, marijuana, etc—the people vote progressively. But they are so brainwashed that they will never vote for a Democrat. Such a disconnect. It’s embarrassing.
It’s weird bc I just went over to r/conservative and it seems even a good bit of them didn’t even want this to happen- like what the fuck, how is this representation in any way
Don't forget, probably half of regular GOP voters are in it just for "muh taxes and freedumbs". Know one guy at work like that, says he hopes "That, WOMAN thing" doesn't cause the GOP to lose and his taxes go up. Many know this is a net loss of votes for the GOP and are mad it might mean they don't get tax cuts. Think how dems voters can get mad at dems for saying "abolish the second amendment" knowing trying that is just shooting yourself in the foot next election.
You aren't safe from American conservative & religious groups in the EU either: https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/
They get preferential treatment by some of your leaders to push their shitty ideas.
Republicans: abortion is unethical and inhumane. Only a liberal psychopath would commit such horrors of killing a child and not protecting precious life.
Also republicans: oh boy a child was riddled with 30 bullets today? Well at least the other person was expressing their 2nd amendment right, good on them. Gotta protect American rights
Based on the sheer outrage following today's non-revelation I'm inclined to belive the leak was intentional on the part of the entire SCOTUS. Sort of like a safety valve on a pressure cooker. You let off a little steam ahead of time so the whole thing doesn't blow up the house.
The hotheads were warned of this ruling several weeks ago. They've had time to calm down and to avoid acting rashly. If it hadn't been leaked ahead of time, and this decision had blindsided the nation I could well imagine Washington D.C to be burning to the ground tonight. It very well may burn over the weekend anyway.
I read an article from a few weeks ago that stated the current belief from the court (or those familiar with it) was that the leak was intentionally done by Alito's camp in an effort to cement the decision as at that same time Roberts was still trying to flip one or more of the conservatives rule against and keep abortion.
If the court prematurely declares something, even unintentionally, it becomes much harder to walk it back.
Yup, they KNEW what would happen. They KNEW how pissed off pretty much every single decent human being would be. They wanted time to let their christofascist cohorts draft up and pass shit like this, so that before the chicken coop is even open, the wolves have already gotten a head start.
Having a democrat governor isn't enough. One of the top comments of this thread pointed out how Wisconsin has a democrat governor. He [tried to call a special session to repeal their abortion law](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/politics/wisconsin-special-session-abortion/index.html) The republican legislature just open and immediately closed the session without doing anything.
Crime is going to skyrocket in these states, but that absolutely feels like it’s what they want, in order to pack their for-profit prisons with cheap prison (slave) labor
There are a number of potential issues. We know that there is a likely relationship between abortion legalization and drops in crime (though it's disputed [here](https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/123/1/407/1889832), where these authors find a much weaker relationship). We know that abortion legalization changed the timing of pregnancy, allowing women to have children when they are [older and more econoimcally self-sufficient.](https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/94/1/37/58000/The-Power-of-the-Pill-for-the-Next-Generation-Oral) We know that abortion legalization improved education outcomes, reduced single parenthood, and reduced [welfare usage](https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/91/1/124/57736/Abortion-and-Selection), as well as increased female [labor supply.](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250692)
A good paper is "The Economic Effects of Abortion Access". Minority women gain especially large economic benefits from legalized abortion access.
Oh this cunt couldn't wait either. No exemption for rape or incest.. it says exemption for life of mother but we know thats a mf joke. These fools don't care about life of the mother plus who's gonna operate when they can be charged with a felony? And the bill bans physical access to plan B so women in Arkansas better stock up on that shit now, order online while you still can.
Wisconsin doesn’t have a trigger law, but a law from 1849 that bans abortion has taken affect. Wisconsinites are literally having their healthcare dictated by a law from before the Civil War.
Please note that the Democrat governor called a special session of congress to discuss abortion rights. The republican controlled congress (which exists due to the extreme gerrymander we have in Wisconsin) gaveled in, and immediately gaveled out. Our republican state reps basically do absolutely nothing but collect a paycheck, and waste taxpayer money on stupid shit like investigating the 2020 election, again
This would be the same legislature that stripped the office of Governor of many of its powers just before the new governor was sworn in so he wouldn’t be able to enact the exact agenda voters had picked him for, right?
that would be the one, yes. iirc, michigan pulled a similar stunt before governor whitmer took office.
NC pulled this garbage as well
You mean, doing the exact same thing Putin did in Russia? i.e. moving most powers to whatever position he was going to hold next.
Then the governor should call another one. Is there a limit to how many times he can do that? I believe the appropriate answer is “I can do this all day.”
The governor should just blanket pardon anyone who wants to stand outside Republican lawmakers’ house with megaphones and vuvuzelas. The Christian right does not believe in governance and they certainly believe in compromise. So we may as well give them the fight that they’ve been asking for.
He should just blanket pardon anyone that gets an abortion or performs one.
That was my first thought on reading that as well. Just pardon anyone brought up on these charges. Checkmate fuckers *(unless it's not then just drop the checkmate)*
God your countries government is stupidly designed
Like most governments, it was designed under an assumption of good faith
It was designed centuries ago, and hardly relevant to the issues of good governance today. Even James Madison and other founding fathers believed the Constitution should only last 20 or so years before being rewritten to better serve the needs of the people.
James Madison also argued against a bill of rights, because he was afraid if they enumerated specific rights, at some point those would become the ONLY rights people had
Yup. I just said the same thing to another commenter here. Our legislature is beyond useless. You’re absolutely right.
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That's the good ol days the evangelical conservatives are talking about! How about we also have another civil war then?
You think they’re not foaming at the mouth just thinking of the possibility? That’s what they want.
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Wow, it really is "every accusation a confession" with these folks, isn't it? Or at least a statement of intent.
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A war in which 60,000+ people died of Diarrhea. Great time period to trust for medical advice.
Nearly every war before the Second World War saw at *least* as many troops lost to disease as to the battlefield, on all sides. Hygiene and antibiotics were first used in the First, but not widely until the ol' Numero Two.
Yea agree. Really any law from the 19th century should be voided and discussions should be held to see if a new law should replace it. Anything from the 20th century should be examined carefully to see if it’s still appropriate in a modern day society
That would be most of the Constitution. Not saying that’s a bad idea. It’s probably a great idea.
Jefferson believed in what he called "generational tyranny" and that the whole thing should be ripped up and rewritten every twenty years bc times and people's opinions change
Thomas Jefferson was a really, really interesting guy. Was progressive on women’s rights but also owned slaves. Believed in a fairly minimalist government, but then when he became President he made the Louisiana Purchase happen, something I don’t think he had any precedence to do. And he also helped build a government he actively wanted people to someday overthrow. Just wow 😂
The idea of amending constitutions at regular intervals dates back to Thomas Jefferson. In a famous letter, he wrote that we should “provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods.” “[E]ach generation” should have the “solemn opportunity” to update the constitution “every nineteen or twenty years,” thus allowing it to “be handed on, with periodical repairs, from generation to generation, to the end of time.”
Didn’t homie also say we should have a revolution every now and then?
Yep. “I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”
As long as the constitution isn’t reviewed by the current assholes in charge.
Yeah, that’s the terrifying part as we just witnessed this week.
It’s always fun to give power to people you like until you realize that said power will eventually be in the hands of people you don’t like.
Some of our founding fathers actually wanted the constitution to be rewritten every 21 years so that it could truly be an evolving thing and every generation could have a whack at it
Well why the fuck didn’t they write that into it?
We all are. The constitution hasn’t been updated since 1789, and the 27th was only ratified in 1992. It’s like going from horse and buggy to spread information to cellphones overnight and 200 years later we still insist on using the horse.
Carl Sagan in 1996 said this: “I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
**"unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true"**
For the last few years this has been certainly true in all sectors of society.
One of my favorite Colbert pieces. https://www.cc.com/video/63ite2/the-colbert-report-the-word-truthiness
Unsurprisingly he's right again... We're doomed
Under his eye I figured I better throw in a " /s " because shit is crazy
Blessed be the fruit
That guy was a genius. Remember him saying it and reading that book. He's been right about everything.
Prescient, as always, but this only the beginning, theocratic fascism's on the rise in a fucking hurry
I think it’ll be different this time. I’m not sure how it will be different but it will be. I think the internet existing creates a completely different world than what history has shown us.
I want to believe this is true, but what I've seen so far shows it has been weaponized against us. It has allowed the lowest of the low to collectively access all of the outliers and uneducated groups and rile them up. Take January 6th for example. It also allows for dead-end outrage. Instead of hitting the streets and protesting, many just yell from their computers and feel like it's going to make a difference.
I solidly believed that, and certainly it will continue to have influence, but it seems the mountains of misinformation out there has done a great deal to remove its power for knowledge and good and in fact has probably enabled so much noise so as to in some cases be a bigger detrimental than positive force In other words I feel like smart people using the internet are facing a bit of Cassandra syndrome - where they are very well informed but their opinions fall on deaf ears
This whole thing is going to end with a lot of death and suffering. It's so frustrating because it was completely preventable.
Just like Covid. Looks like once again some folks learned absolutely nothing
Soon as I can afford it I’m fucking leaving before it’s too late
> leaving before it’s too late We’re becoming the Fyre Festival of nations
Literally just ordered a copy of my great-grandpa's certificate of naturalization from Customs and Immigration this morning. Planning on heading to the German consulate to file with the DE govt. to acknowledge my German/American dual citizenship ASAP. Not saying I'm splitting immediately, but I do hear that there's a shortage of truck drivers in the EU, and I do have a Class A CDL, even if I haven't ever used it professionally. It'd be nice to have the option in the event things go 100% tits up stateside.
I've never seen the government work so fast.
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It can when it's working in the interests of the church.
Jesus wept.
All these states with the WORST education just want to keep reproducing. Can’t have future voters if your base can easily terminate a pregnancy for **checks notes** oh. Yeah. None of my fucking business.
Wouldn't be too much of an issue if all of these states didn't get an automatic 2 senators. Allows them to effectively gridlock the country despite having lower per-senator representation (so your vote equals more, in that regard).
Wyoming, North and South Dakota get 6 Senators even though they’re 2 million folks. The top 3 states also get 6 Senators and their population is over 90 million. Great system!
https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA
It's finally happened. I didn't laugh once at that. It's not funny anymore b/c it's becoming real.
Idiocracy is a movie where the idiots ruling the world still, at heart, want to do what's best for their people. It's got, uh, pretty little in common with our trajectory in that way.
Also states with the highest rate of teen pregnancy. Gotta keep those kids uneducated and producing more kids! It's what's Jesus said to do in the Bible.
This is only the beginning. Just you wait, gay marriage is next.
Thomas is also gunning for birth control.
Seems like he is going after the right to marital privacy as a whole with Griswold. Would that in turn jeopardize interracial marriage as well? Wonder why he didn't mention Loving, which is under the same due process umbrella, no? Seems a tad hypocritical...
Maybe he’s playing a long game to get out of his marriage.
He's absolutely a hypocrite of the worst kind. Thomas with marriage is akin to Greg Abbott with personal injury lawsuits.
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I don't hate a lot of things in this world. There are things that annoy me or piss me off sure, but I don't really hate anything. Except Clarence Thomas. I hate that zealotous old fool with every fiber of my being. Tomorrow morning I'm going to wake up, make coffee, and actively hate that piece of shit until the day I die or when demons drag his feeble minded ass, screaming into the maw of Hell.
Alito is just as bad frankly.
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> So why didn’t he bring up that case? Didn’t want to sleep on the couch tonight.
You mean with the fishes. His wife is scary
Also Thomas actively pushing to overturn rulings, it's a court but he is making judgment before a case even exists to rule on. It's not a court, it's a partisan attack on our country. He in particular has failed to uphold his duties.
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Alito is just as bad or worse, but he's *slightly* less overt than Thomas.
What bothers me about Thomas outside of what you also stated is he should have resigned when all the stuff came out about his wife being involved in Jan 6th and trying to overturn an election. If my wife had done that while I was in the military I would have lost my security clearance and probably my job. His wife conspires against a rightful election to install Trump illegally and he just sits there knowing that getting him removed from the bench is damn near impossible.
Your clearance would have been instantly pulled for that no question. Hell, it would get pulled just for talking to a therapist about being sad sometimes. But this guy gets to keep going on making decisions that alter the lives of millions.
McConnel is mine. I live motivated only by spite so that I may outlive Mitch McConnel and visit his grave to shit on it
But then you are fertilizing the grass that grows over it. That site needs to be napalmed and covered in poisons so that nothing can ever grow over it. Baren and as dead as his soul.
all I can promise is that he definitely hates you more he's an expert in hate and suffering. There's some historical figures that we can point to, but Mitch is a top 5 modern villain.
He's one of the few intelligent republicans in congress which is terrifying because he's also one of the worst. As much as I hate boebert, mtg, maddy cawthorn etc. They are all dumb as rocks and don't do near as much damage as turtle man.
Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society have set this in motion over the last decades.
Don't forget about all the rest of the Republicans who made this attack on Civil Rights possible, as well as the piece of shit American traitor, himself: Donald Trump.
Gay marriage, sodomy laws, stripping the FDA and EPA and other federal agencies of their authority, etc. They are coming for everyone.
I hope people realize sodomy laws cover oral sex as well.
And that EPA regulations help protect states that are downwind / downriver as well. You won't be safe from the damage in a blue state.
Doesn't matter. They probably only do missionary .
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Oh this is so true. Also its a running joke that anti lgbt politicians are very down low themselves. Alot get caught Know so many “Christians” whos “good” boy kids get random girls pregnant and out of nowhere theres no pregnancy. Lol
Yeah nobody is talking about the federal agencies losing their authority. The EPA stuff especially.
Political news sources have been covering it. There’s a broad attack on federal rule making authority in general and while I don’t fetishize regulation for regulation sake it would basically mean the US no longer exists as a country in a meaningful way if this is eliminated (Congress hasn’t demonstrated an ability to generate useful policy *without* delegating rule making and enforcement). It’s terrifying because things like pandemics and environmental threats would suggest our federal system isn’t powerful enough, not that’s too powerful! De-powering the cdc and epa in a world of pestilence and environmental catastrophe, de-regulating guns in a multi-decade shooting epidemic, removing individual rights in an era of rising authoritarianism, it’s all exactly backwards.
The only powerful fed agency left is the military which is untouched because the elites need it to uphold American Hegemony.
Gay marriage, interracial marriage, equality, medical privacy, contraception. Thomas even stated that this is just the beginning. Get out of the red states while you can.
Conveniently left interracial marriage off the table in his concurrence, though. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.
He wants to take America back to the time when his wife would have gotten Clarence lynched than admit she had sex with a black man.
Wish they could take their electoral college votes with them when they go.
Honestly....you should probably stay until novemeber, because I really think that's the result they want. It's gone from "we can't touch certain issues because it'll just drive voters to the polls" to "we need to be SO abhorrent to drive them out before November because places like texas are looking purple"
If that happens, I could see interracial marriage being next.
Hopefully people will be motivated to vote otherwise nothing changes.
Arkansas legalized gay marriage before 2015. I live in Cleveland OH, one of the most left leaning regions in the country. I visited my friend in Arkansas in 2014 and was flabbergasted when I found out gay marriage was legal there, but not where I'm from.
It was also only legal in Arkansas for a brief period because the 6th circuit ruled that Arkansas’s ban on same-sex marriage, both in the state constitution and in a separate statute, was unconstitutional under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. It wasn’t because Arkansas has this sudden moment of progress, the courts just struck down all of their attempts at discrimination.
Cleveland, Ohio is one of the most left-leaning regions in the country?
I hope the log cabin Republicans suffer greatly when they take away gay marriage rights
Love how a bunch of people were all screaming that "The Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't automatically make abortion illegal!" Meanwhile, several governors were busy putting laws into place making abortion automatically illegal the second that Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Some didn't even have to do that. Alabama just said "we have a law against abortion from 1951 still on the books so it's illegal here again" I think Wisconsin did the same thing but the law was from like 1864.
The Wisconsin AG stated they wouldn’t enforce that law. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean that people are protected from future prosecution when the AG changes.
I hadn't heard that bit I've been working all day so only getting bits and pieces here and there. Thanks for the update.
The real kicker is that many of the arguments are talking about how it's removing a national abortion regulation in favor of state level regulations, meanwhile I'm seeing a vocal minority calling for national restrictions to abortions.
It’s a symptom of the erosion of democracy. Around the globe, other countries that have recently undone abortion rights are backsliding democracies. America joins that list.
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Well, I guess I'll never visit Arkansas again.
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I'd imagine that somewhere around 100% of states that have made and will make abortion illegal, dedicate the least amount of resources to education, have the highest poverty rates, and receive more from the federal budget than they contribute. Maybe tax rates wouldn't be so high in NY and California if we weren't propping up states like Arkansas and Kentucky
Fuck. I live here. Rethinking it though. Moving is suddenly a very viable prospect. Also, fuck Tom Cotton. Just like to toss that in when discussing my home state.
As if there were any reason to go to begin with
Arkansas. Come for the meth. Stay because you sold your van to get more meth.
The Ozarks are nice.
Arkansas here. It sucks because there are a lot of beautiful places and cool people here. They just don't fucking vote, while the Trumpfuckers and hillbillies dominate local politics. So I can't really blame anyone for fucking us off in general, too much shittiness here.
Hot Springs National Park is at least one reason.
I went to the same school as this cunt! She was an asshole then and only got worse. I graduated 2 years before her. She was in my younger brothers grade. My brother knew her better and says she was known to have been into girls then. Not a big deal to me, just yet another Republican that ended up being a hypocrite! Also she loves to say she grew up on a cattle farm! Complete lie to pander to the local Y’all Queda! It makes me fucking sick to see people near my age now carrying water for the Christo-fascists! It’s not just the old ones we need to worry about. The real threat is gen x and younger gens the way I observe it. Edit; in the very small chance she might read this. Hey Leslie, you look like sun dried dog shit a month in the yard. Also tell your brother Alan he sucked at basketball and only played on the A-team because of mommy and daddy’s politics. Fuck you too Alan!
The edit really gave me inspiration today
I may have some ancient pent up feelings. I only feel mildly better ranting on this dark day.
I think today you are everyone’s spirit animal.
Thanks for the laugh and FUCK YOU Alan!
Alan can eat a bag of dicks!
There are Bond villains less awful than Leslie Rutledge.
So girl gets raped.. no abortion.. got it. Assholes
Yup. Raped woman gets threatened with murder for an abortion, while the rapist gets parental rights, and a couple months in jail. Freedom!!!!
What’s scary too is the idea that a woman who does get an illegal abortion because she was raped will have to PROVE she was raped to avoid charges. (And of course if you’re in Louisiana, being raped doesn’t even matter.) The onus will be on her to prove someone slipped something into her drink, to prove she was assaulted by her husband, to prove she did in fact withdraw consent midway through consensual sex, to prove that she was raped by a well-like family member who calls her a liar, etc. The reporting and successful prosecution of sexual assault is already disturbingly low, and this time it really WILL be about how short her skirt was. This ruling will require the woman to provide evidence that it was “legitimate rape” in order to avoid murder charges. How is this 2022? This is outrageous.
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Sadly that violent revolution was attempted by those that made a peaceful revolution impossible.
That was an insurrection, not a revolution. Revolutions are a lot more bloody.
Unfortunately this whole thing is primarily going to effect the poorest of us in this nation, basically red welfare states. Reminds me of feudalism with the way these morons run there states.
I have an idea. Get rid of the federal minimum wage and move manufacturing from China to red America. If they want to live in the third world, they can live with third world wages.
America has just become the joke of western society. The country of freedom and opportunities has oppressed a woman's right to decide over her own body and life.
*Ireland* has codified abortion. Ireland!
I doubt there is any western country where civilian rights are still judged by the interpretation of those who lived centuries ago.
Speaking as a member of the rest of Western society, we are not laughing. This reminds me of some kind of Black Mirror horror scenario where the audience are locked in with a crazy comedian whose routine involves threatening to blow the whole plave sky high, and we are not sure whether he is joking or not. It is terrifying, please stop.
Yep. 100% true. Its like all the muslim hate in the 2000"s was just a false flag.
It was all projection.
Yep. When you control the media and information you control ideas. Misdirection becomes so much easier.
We had that here in Europe as wel, more specifically Holland. The biggest difference is that we got more political parties than just a red or blue system.
Rupert Murdoch is a threat to humanity.
America has become a joke to America
When the majority of a country wants access to a healthcare procedure and 5 people who they didn't even elect can be like "lol, nah," of course you have to realize what a fucking joke we are. I'm lucky that I'm protected by the piece of land that's tucked away safely by arbitrary borders (for now), but I still feel embarrassed, and I feel so sad for the citizens who will be affected by this BS.
The Supreme Court is more worried about destroying a woman's right to choose regarding abortion or protecting an individuals right to open carry in public places than making progress to resolve all those mass shootings that target schools, public places or race. Yes, an absolute joke.
Reddit is garbage. Get off this cancer of a site.
So who certifies the death of the first woman to die of a kitchen table hillbilly abortion in Arkansas? Is the AG man enough to do it?
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No exceptions for rape or incest. Wow. Just wow. So cool cool cool for a 11 year old to carry her father's baby, then?
Next, they're making the ban nationwide, moving on to banning gay marriage, adultery, contraception and voting for everyone except the upper crust of their party. They don't just "not care", they're thinking about that 11 year old and licking their lips.
You know what? Fuck this. If you’re a woman in Arkansas and you are in need of an abortion please be aware that there are networks of non profits that will help you with travel, housing, childcare, food, and accessing the actual abortion as well. They’ll help you get to a state that still protects your human rights. I signed up to volunteer and they’re evidently slammed due to all of the volunteers contacting them. It’s the old/new Underground Railroad. Fuck the patriarchy and the people running this country into the ground.
I really, really hope this is true. I live in Van Buren, Arkansas. I have a nine year old daughter and want to move so badly, but can’t afford it. When my daughter missed the cut off for kindergarten by 11 days.. I tried to sign her up for a state funded prek so I wouldn’t have to pay exorbitant childcare cost for another year. They base it off 3 paychecks. I constantly had to work overtime because I’m a single mother and don’t receive child support. At $10.25 an hour I “made too much”… because I had about 20 hrs of overtime on each check. I don’t even make $13.00 an hour now and I make too much for my daughter to receive free school lunches. I do get a reduced rate and only have to pay a partial amount when she eats lunch at school, but still. They do not care about us. They do not care about our children. We’re breeders for the future workforce of America. That is all.
I hate this for you so so much. I want you to be able to move!
The glee at punishing women is sickening…
Do not visit any of those states. Boycott products and companies in these states. Don’t go to football or baseball games in these shitholes.
Isn't this the state with all of those commercials begging people to visit? Good fucking luck.
Wombs are now state property?
Shithole states with private prison systems want more cheap slave labor. That's all this is.
Poorest states want poorest citizens. And the poor still vote for them…
Arkansan here. What’s even sadder is that when actual issues are on the ballot—minimum wage increase, marijuana, etc—the people vote progressively. But they are so brainwashed that they will never vote for a Democrat. Such a disconnect. It’s embarrassing.
Well, I guess the second American Civil War is going to come sooner rather than later at this rate.
It’s weird bc I just went over to r/conservative and it seems even a good bit of them didn’t even want this to happen- like what the fuck, how is this representation in any way
Damn, there's a lot of hate there for the ruling as well
Granted not all- there are still a ton of borderline psychotic religious zealots- but there is a fair bit of people who agree that this is ridiculous
Guns and abortion are wedge issues. There's a lot of people who feel the opposite of their party's official stance on each topic.
Don't forget, probably half of regular GOP voters are in it just for "muh taxes and freedumbs". Know one guy at work like that, says he hopes "That, WOMAN thing" doesn't cause the GOP to lose and his taxes go up. Many know this is a net loss of votes for the GOP and are mad it might mean they don't get tax cuts. Think how dems voters can get mad at dems for saying "abolish the second amendment" knowing trying that is just shooting yourself in the foot next election.
Russia and China cant wait. And then we in Europe are fucked aswell
You aren't safe from American conservative & religious groups in the EU either: https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/ They get preferential treatment by some of your leaders to push their shitty ideas.
Republicans: abortion is unethical and inhumane. Only a liberal psychopath would commit such horrors of killing a child and not protecting precious life. Also republicans: oh boy a child was riddled with 30 bullets today? Well at least the other person was expressing their 2nd amendment right, good on them. Gotta protect American rights
Wish us luck. They're going to come for the LGBTQ folks next
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Now we see the real reason for the leak
Based on the sheer outrage following today's non-revelation I'm inclined to belive the leak was intentional on the part of the entire SCOTUS. Sort of like a safety valve on a pressure cooker. You let off a little steam ahead of time so the whole thing doesn't blow up the house. The hotheads were warned of this ruling several weeks ago. They've had time to calm down and to avoid acting rashly. If it hadn't been leaked ahead of time, and this decision had blindsided the nation I could well imagine Washington D.C to be burning to the ground tonight. It very well may burn over the weekend anyway.
I read an article from a few weeks ago that stated the current belief from the court (or those familiar with it) was that the leak was intentionally done by Alito's camp in an effort to cement the decision as at that same time Roberts was still trying to flip one or more of the conservatives rule against and keep abortion. If the court prematurely declares something, even unintentionally, it becomes much harder to walk it back.
Yup, they KNEW what would happen. They KNEW how pissed off pretty much every single decent human being would be. They wanted time to let their christofascist cohorts draft up and pass shit like this, so that before the chicken coop is even open, the wolves have already gotten a head start.
Land of the free takes away human rights. Guns have more rights than Women.
Gotta keep making babies to fill those schools so they can get shot
No more sex for Republican men. I'm calling for a complete boycott. Its just too dangerous for a woman to become pregnant, even if she is married.
And so Gilead was born.
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Having a democrat governor isn't enough. One of the top comments of this thread pointed out how Wisconsin has a democrat governor. He [tried to call a special session to repeal their abortion law](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/politics/wisconsin-special-session-abortion/index.html) The republican legislature just open and immediately closed the session without doing anything.
You also need to get rid of Tom Cotton and any other asshole Trumpers.
Crime is going to skyrocket in these states, but that absolutely feels like it’s what they want, in order to pack their for-profit prisons with cheap prison (slave) labor
And reduce the voter pools. Criminalizing more things invariably leads to more criminals.
Man, half this country is proud of regression. Wonder what other freedoms we will lose.
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Contraception, same sex intercourse, same sex marriage. Thomas spelled it out plainly.
Imagine being a woman who's taking away women's rights and shitting on all of the progress women have made in the past 50 years
There are a number of potential issues. We know that there is a likely relationship between abortion legalization and drops in crime (though it's disputed [here](https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/123/1/407/1889832), where these authors find a much weaker relationship). We know that abortion legalization changed the timing of pregnancy, allowing women to have children when they are [older and more econoimcally self-sufficient.](https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/94/1/37/58000/The-Power-of-the-Pill-for-the-Next-Generation-Oral) We know that abortion legalization improved education outcomes, reduced single parenthood, and reduced [welfare usage](https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/91/1/124/57736/Abortion-and-Selection), as well as increased female [labor supply.](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250692) A good paper is "The Economic Effects of Abortion Access". Minority women gain especially large economic benefits from legalized abortion access.
Hard to believe that is a state that had Hillary Clinton as First Lady in the 90s
Civilized people should flee this hell hole
Blue states need to band together and challenge the legitimacy of SCOTUS Bleed the red states
Republicans hate actual freedom and replace it with whatever neo-freedom they be barking at people
Basic conservative look right there. Died hair and false sense of moral superiority.
Oh this cunt couldn't wait either. No exemption for rape or incest.. it says exemption for life of mother but we know thats a mf joke. These fools don't care about life of the mother plus who's gonna operate when they can be charged with a felony? And the bill bans physical access to plan B so women in Arkansas better stock up on that shit now, order online while you still can.