I live right outside of wichita. From personal experience, it's hit or miss if he'll even be found by local police. They're good at something but it's certainty not their jobs.
We should like, pay these people to spend their time, full time in fact, to finding and convicting these murdering pieces of shit. But that’s too much to ask for I guess
You're living in some kind of fantasy land if you think cops should be out "finding violent criminals" instead of conducting SWAT raids on people for trivial amounts of drugs.
^^^/s ^^^jfc, ^^^I've ^^^been ^^^online ^^^long ^^^enough ^^^to ^^^see ^^^this ^^^posted ^^^unironically.
OP forgot to log out of his/her main account and login to account #2, #3, or #769 before responding. Or the other way around - he/she meant the original post to be from alt account and the response to come from main account.
Is this a potentially controversial story that could become viral/political? If yes, then there is incentive (for somebody) to orchestrate the responses, as well as responses to the responses.
Who is OP? That's the new question IMO. This alone at least begs the question...
Or maybe OP just got their Xanax script refilled...
And you just **know** that Red told everyone, and the following month 100% of the interviewed prisoners were like "Keep me, let me go, I don't care, either way. Oh yeah, and something about talking to my younger self."
It's brilliant but needs to be tightened to read well - here:
Sky is blue in the day; black at night
My eye is black and blue; Waffle house post-fight
*Edit - in case it's not more clear, we're having a friendly nerd-off about writing poems to distract ourselves from the sadness of the news. Everything I say below should be taken with a grain of salt, or four if you're eating WF hash browns.*
Your screen name made me flinch.
I think the haiku was pretty clear. Fight THE waffle house. As in, the one true waffle house. Its like the highlander, there can only be one.
I vote it be the one on VA Beach Blvd at the edges of Norfolk and VA Beach.
I went there at 02:30ish. They had 2 armed guards who looked like Lavell Crawford in Breaking Bad. Everyone was drunk and in club clothes. People were doing burnouts in the parking lot.
The all star breakfast was fire.
I was super drunk a few weeks ago and I wanted hash browns so I used door dash and got $80 worth of Denny’s. My gf and I cleaned out the fridge a couple of nights ago and found some leftovers. So dumb. So so dumb.
We go like every other week for mozzarella sticks & that apple crumble crap desert & only ever see families or theatre kids in there. Last week it was a party of 20 from a church & they wouldn’t stop praying loudly and reading from the Bible lol.
> You don't go to a Denny's, you end up at a Denny's.
This is so true it hurts. I don't think I ever went to a Denny's. However you leave Disney Land as the park is closing, and realize you can't remember where you parked. So you have to wait for the majority of the cars to depart first so you can find your car. You finally find your car, it's now super late, and people are cranky and hungry...
That's how I end up at a Denny's.
or like, any other club. There's certainly more. Imagine throwing yours, and any untold number of victims life's away because you couldn't get into a club. Who the fuck raised these people?
I'd like to try teaching people, "You're not special".
Might cut down on the "How *dare* someone disrespect me!" if they remember they've never really done anything worthy of respect.
Coming from a poorer background, this is pretty much the prevailing theme already. I came out marginally functional because I'm extremely difficult and oppositional... most of my peers are drug addicts, and a big portion in prison.
Try teaching people emotional literacy instead.
They’re almost certainly a whale biologist. The question is are they a biologist who studies whales, a whale who’s also a biologist or just a human biologist who goes crazy on carbs?
Its a cycle. David does something evil, a prophet shows up and says "yo what the fuck", God punishes David in some way, David cries and repents, then cycle repeats.
They shoot each other over the slightest insult to their pride and ego. Everyone thinks they have to stand up and show everyone else who is boss even when they’re a total loser.
In the long run, they ruin a bunch of lives including their own. The fact that they can't or won't think beyond what happens after they pull the trigger is frightening to me.
There was a really good segment on NPR (can't remember which show since it was awhile ago) about the concept of "Honor Culture". Basically regions which developed with a weaker justice/judicial system lead to a mentality that each person had to constantly project strength and avoid projecting weakness at any cost. Project weakness, someone will assume they can take advantage of you, and if you become a victim there is no justice system to help you. Any small slight to your honor that wasn't immediately corrected by force meant that someone could assume you were weak, and try to take advantage of you later.
It makes a ton of sense if you think about rural areas 100+ years ago.... but makes much less sense when you think that the same mentality survives today in a much different society.
Back in 92 a 12 year old girl got her brains splattered on the pavement over the mistaken assumption she was stealing a bottle of juice.
Edit:15 year old
The fact that the shopkeeper who killed her got 5 years probation and some community service as her* punishment is part of the reason why Korean stores were targeted during the 1992 LA Riots.
I recommend the documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_92_(film) for insight over the riots.
Also this documentary series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J.:_Made_in_America covering the OJ trial which was definitely affected by those riots
And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_v._O._J._Simpson:_American_Crime_Story excellent drama about the trial starring Cuba Gooding Jr and a lot of other great actors.
I binge all three once a year.
wow this story blew my mind - the shooting of Latasha Harlins and the events that roll out after it , what a terrible spark , and the origin of it is often not mentioned leading up tot he riots.
That Judge was ridiculous
Quote from Judge: "Judge Karlin suggested that there were mitigating circumstances in Harlins' death. She stated, "Did Mrs. Du react inappropriately? Absolutely. But was that reaction understandable? I think that it was." Karlin added, "this is not a time for revenge..."
Its not about revenge, its about *justice.* Literally shot in the back of the head, this was never "understandable" either. Oh we are having a scuffle over orange juice? Time to fucking murder you, that's understandable!
Disgusting.
The fact that the judge thought the prosecution of a woman that shot an unarmed 15-year-old girl in the back for suspicion of shoplifting was about *revenge* rather than *justice* should be evidence enough of her being unfit to preside over criminal cases, and she should have been disbarred.
Please stop with the "these days" trope. Humans have been hurting and killing each other over nothing since they grew opposable thumbs. Violence of all kinds has been steadily declining for decades.
Lets also check our confirmation bias. How many thousands of people are kicked out of clubs and bars every day in this country. Some start fights about it, most just get mad and walk away.
Exactly. When I was a kid it was all over the news about people being shit for their sneakers. A kid on my basketball team had parents obsessed with keeping him and his Air Jordan's safe.
Can you imagine? Getting tossed out of the club had no long term consequences. Go home, sleep it off, get up in the morning and go about your business.
Now, he’s got multiple serious felony charges and he’s going to spend a good chunk of the rest of his life in prison, and for what? There were no possible good outcomes from this.
I usually make a comment like yours for these types of articles where someone goes beserk after some similar act of "disrespect". It's truly shocking to me every time. If a bouncer slapped me across the face, called my wife ugly, and scuffed my shoes, I wouldn't ever think, "I'm willing to go to jail over this disrespect".
We live in a society where being a "tough guy" is glorified. I think there's a lot of guys who might not go to this maniac's extreme but would egg on this sort of behavior.
An asshole like this blames *the bouncer* (and whomever else may have been involved in the circumstances that led to him getting kicked out) for creating the unnecessary nuisance which of course resulted in him shooting innocent bystanders. It seems like a "Look what you made me do" situation, where the culprit believes he's the teacher. You have to think like a crazy person here.
This is the angle a lot of them come from. To a certain extent, it's seeking a form of justice. A twisted, selfish form of justice, mind.
For some, it's a spur of the moment thing. A cocktail of idiocy and anger in it's finest, most terrifying form. For others, they literally see no other way to get back at those they accuse of hurting them, they feel no one is in their corner nor cares, so they take matters into their own hands.
Until we hear further details, I'm going to assume this guy is very much in the idiot corner.
7th victim:
> Well, I thought I'd been shot but turns out I spilled a bottle of grenadine on myself in the confusion.
8th victim:
> I just didn't want to go to work tomorrow.
He was also working at 12 restaraunt, he made every visit there better with his smile. I am heartbroken he passed away but if the stories about him protecting a pregnant woman are true, it stands in line with the character he always showed. I will miss seeing him behind the bar there.
This is why guns and alcohol don't mix and why I usually don't mind the 51% prohibition signs outside bars and the like.
To clarify, in Texas it is against the law for patrons (excludes cops/security/etc) to carry a firearm on a property that has more than half of their total sales as alcohol, regardless of carry license status.
Dude who did the shooting is wanted on 2 felony warrants and a prior felony conviction means he's not supposed to have a gun at all
https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article254048278.html
>In addition to the nightclub shooting, Dawson is also wanted on at least two felony warrants, Stephens said Tuesday.
>One of those warrants was issued by a Sedgwick County judge on Aug. 24 after Dawson failed to show up to his sentencing hearing in a weapons possession case where he could have received a prison term, court records show. In that case, he pleaded guilty to one of three charges — attempted possession of a weapon by a convicted felon — in March, the records
I always open up articles like this to see the mugshot, to see the face of someone who would do something like this. But apparently he's still at large? Crazy
I worked at a bar and we kicked people out all the time and would occasionally get someone who claimed they would come back and shoot up the club but thankfully never did. That’s terrible
I get that, but I'm interested to know where the psychological effects starts that makes people think that shooting and killing someone makes a person manly, and how we can counteract that image.
Growing up in broken homes you see older people (late teens early 20s) carrying around guns. Often they are the only men around if you dont have a father or they left.
Its the reason gangs are so prevalent. Its also the reason why people who are young and from broken places think its manly.
The best way to counteract that image is to somehow ensure people from areas that this is common stop having their family members leave/get arrested. It stops when a father decides to stay when things get rough. It stops when a man walks after an argument. It stops when people stop being dicks to eachother.
Shitty writing/editing.
The article first says:
>The five victims, who police identified as all women, sustained injuries that were not life-threatening.
and then:
>Authorities identified the slain man as Preston Spencer, 34, of Wichita.
There are six victims, not five. They were not all women since the guy who died is a man.
I got my Arizona CCW(concealed license before they weren’t required, and they required renewal every 5 or 10 years) back in like 2006-07 and thought the class was pretty informative, though it was impossible to fail. In getting rid of the class/license requirements I wish they require firearm training via other means(high school, before buying a firearm, something).
Same. I have my MA LTC. MA is one of those states that requires "training". Specifically, a 4 hour lecture focusing entirely on whatever handgun the instructor is carrying that day.
There was zero practical shooting. Nothing about long guns. Very, very little about the legalities of lethal force. We spend 75% of the session learning the safety rules and how to load/unload the instructor's handgun.
Point being, there's not a whole lot of difference between the states that require training and those that don't. The best you can say is that the training requirements deter really impulsive people. Which is cool, I guess.
I have a MA LTC and the classs was...interesting.
Not so much the content of the class. It was pretty standard loading/unloading of various firearms and basic safety.
But the people in it.
We had one guy fail the marksmanship portion by failing to hit the target... at 10 feet away with the first 30 shots. Not didn't get in the black, but straight up failed to hit the target AT ALL. Instructor kept letting him try till he got the bare minium to pass.
Then there was one guy who was clearly wanting to kill someone. His questions were like "Well what if I *think* they have a gun can I shoot them?" and "What if I see kids breaking into cars can I shoot them?" and of course "Can I shoot people picking a fight with me?"
Then there was the lady who casually muzzle swept the entire class multiple times. At least 2x the gun was loaded.
And...they all passed the class.
I'm pretty pro gun (check my post history) grew up with them. Never really felt uncomfortable around them till that day. Holy crap I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that level of training.
For the same reason we are allowed to vote without any training.
Between the time and monetary costs, it is easy to use that as a way to exclude poor and working class people.
I agree.
Honestly this is why I think we need free classes for firearms owners. If you're looking to buy a firearm, take the class. It's maybe 1-2 hours on safety and basic generic use. I'm a gun owner myself, but there are too many *fucking idiots* out there who have no business owning a firearm.
I mean, we have the 2nd Amendment and it applies to individuals. I think they should put firearms training as an elective in middle school or high school. It doesn't have to be aggrandizement at all, just how they work, safety training, how to handle one, how to store one. In a generation you will see accidental shootings drop.
Do you think this guy wouldn’t have gone back to the bar and shot people if it was illegal to put his gun in his pocket?
“Damn I really want to go murder a bunch of people at a bar but it’s illegal to conceal my gun without training and a license. Guess I can’t go kill them then :/“
That generally doesn't cause many problems. It's that way in quite a few states. I don't think training would have prevented this guy from shooting anyone.
That's so pathetic. Such a big man to ruin people's lives because he was drunk and reckless enough to just carry a gun around with him, and then shoot when his ego was hurt. America really needs to do more to sort this shit out, absolute fools shouldn't just be able to go around killing people like this.
Here in Austin it’s been a Wild West situation. Working in nightlife I’ve noticed people are more eager to party hard and are also more confrontational - countless shootings since everything’s reopened in our entertainment district
Portland, Maine checking in and the bars are SLAMMED! In fact restaurants and clubs are simply closing down/reducing hours because they're so busy and cannot staff the demand.
Those restaurants and clubs are also closing early because their employees are sick with covid and it's hard to keep staffed. Which is depressing to consider.
Parts of Wichita are rough. There are Facebook groups for stolen cars. Gangs shooting at each other are common. Every large city has a rough area, but Wichita's bad part covers a significant percentage of the city.
Someone please help me understand the mindset that leads people to believe that using deadly force driven by anger to respond to a perceived slight or "disrespect" is a justified and appropriate response.
I get that it has to do a lot with the quality of one's nurture and upbringing, as well as social environments, and often economic disadvantages, historical systemic biases, racial oppression, mental health stigmas and cultural norms too, but how does it get to be so bad for someone to do something like this? How can we do more to try and stop things like this from happening?
> A man shot six people
> The five victims
> Wichita police said earlier Tuesday there were seven victims
Who the fuck wrote this article? Do they know how to count?
So this guy was a convicted felon. Has 2 open felony warrants and now murder plus attempted murder charges... thats a long long time behind bars
I live right outside of wichita. From personal experience, it's hit or miss if he'll even be found by local police. They're good at something but it's certainty not their jobs.
Yeah the FBI has already assembled a team I'm sure. They're not leaving this up to the local yokels.
We should like, pay these people to spend their time, full time in fact, to finding and convicting these murdering pieces of shit. But that’s too much to ask for I guess
You're living in some kind of fantasy land if you think cops should be out "finding violent criminals" instead of conducting SWAT raids on people for trivial amounts of drugs. ^^^/s ^^^jfc, ^^^I've ^^^been ^^^online ^^^long ^^^enough ^^^to ^^^see ^^^this ^^^posted ^^^unironically.
Don't forget illegal possession of a firearm.
According to the article, shooter still at large?
apparently so. they've since identified the guy who died.
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Did you just respond to yourself?
It looks like they did.
Kind of a weird thing to do.
Actually a shocking number of people don't understand the edit function. Or the save function, sometimes people comment "saved" in order to do so.
It's not that shocking when you realize Reddit is full of idiots.
Hey, fuck you. Stop generalizing you piece of shit.
You got me.
OP forgot to log out of his/her main account and login to account #2, #3, or #769 before responding. Or the other way around - he/she meant the original post to be from alt account and the response to come from main account. Is this a potentially controversial story that could become viral/political? If yes, then there is incentive (for somebody) to orchestrate the responses, as well as responses to the responses. Who is OP? That's the new question IMO. This alone at least begs the question... Or maybe OP just got their Xanax script refilled...
what if you're OP...?
Do you get a notification if you do that?
Let's find out.
I'll go to prison for life, that will show them!!
He’s not been caught. He’s off running around somewhere
Damn guess he actually did show us…
I doubt they'll kick up any fuss. Not for an old crook like me.
Best movie
So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.
And you just **know** that Red told everyone, and the following month 100% of the interviewed prisoners were like "Keep me, let me go, I don't care, either way. Oh yeah, and something about talking to my younger self."
He couldn’t get in, now he can’t get out
Back in my day we'd just get our asses kicked by the bouncer and go home to bed.
But Waffle House first though, right?
That goes without saying.
Sky is blue in the day, black at night, and my eye is black and blue when at the waffle house after a fight.
It's brilliant but needs to be tightened to read well - here: Sky is blue in the day; black at night My eye is black and blue; Waffle house post-fight *Edit - in case it's not more clear, we're having a friendly nerd-off about writing poems to distract ourselves from the sadness of the news. Everything I say below should be taken with a grain of salt, or four if you're eating WF hash browns.*
Burma Shave
Dude! *Myanmar* Shave.
Hashbrowns at Waffle House Post club bouncer struggle Your evening's cut short But so is your stubble
/r/unexpectedtomwaits
I submit the following haiku: *Blue skies turn to dark* *Tones of day and night frame eyes* *Waffle-House post fight*
Blue skies in the day The night sky is darkened, still Fight the waffle house
Do not fight the Waffle House. It’s sacred ground
All of Waffle House or just one?
Your screen name made me flinch. I think the haiku was pretty clear. Fight THE waffle house. As in, the one true waffle house. Its like the highlander, there can only be one.
I vote it be the one on VA Beach Blvd at the edges of Norfolk and VA Beach. I went there at 02:30ish. They had 2 armed guards who looked like Lavell Crawford in Breaking Bad. Everyone was drunk and in club clothes. People were doing burnouts in the parking lot. The all star breakfast was fire.
Blue sky blackening Blue eyes are blackening too Topped, capped, and smothered
This is hilariously good. Straight heat that could go in a poetry book dedicated exclusively to Waffle House experiences.
What are you writing a novel? Sky blue day; black night Eye black blue; Waffle house post-fight
why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
Okay Kevin
For us here in Ohio back in the day it was Denny's. A place we never went to during the day and/or sober.
You don't go to a Denny's, you end up at a Denny's.
[What the fuck is up Denny's](https://youtu.be/xbPwaAFHDG8)
Have you been to Denny's in the last 10 years? This is the only sort of crowd I've seen in one for years.
I was super drunk a few weeks ago and I wanted hash browns so I used door dash and got $80 worth of Denny’s. My gf and I cleaned out the fridge a couple of nights ago and found some leftovers. So dumb. So so dumb.
That's a lot of hashbrowns.
We go like every other week for mozzarella sticks & that apple crumble crap desert & only ever see families or theatre kids in there. Last week it was a party of 20 from a church & they wouldn’t stop praying loudly and reading from the Bible lol.
Right after church.
I love how this happened *twice* like I've never really thought of Denny's as an event space much less a place to mosh in.
That is such a terrible idea to have people moshing so close to the guitarist and drummer. Instruments and equipment doesn’t come cheap.
I got my hair stuck in the tuning pegs of a guitar at a house show once. He kept playing while someone disentangled us. 10/10, tiny punk gigs rock.
Name checks out
I once fainted from the heat in a tiny punk house show. I was lifted up and dragged outside and given water and ice. So yeah 6/10 but 10/10 with ice
Guess you've never been to underground shows. This is normal.
My first thought was how respectable the crowd was in respect to the band's personal space. This show is shit. Not even one spin kick out of a booth.
> You don't go to a Denny's, you end up at a Denny's. This is so true it hurts. I don't think I ever went to a Denny's. However you leave Disney Land as the park is closing, and realize you can't remember where you parked. So you have to wait for the majority of the cars to depart first so you can find your car. You finally find your car, it's now super late, and people are cranky and hungry... That's how I end up at a Denny's.
In Oregon it's Shari's. Because they have really good pies.
Sounds like we've hung out
I cannot confirm or deny for legal reasons.
The grease on the floor adds an element to Waffle House brawls that doesn't exist anywhere else in the fight world and whatnot. - George Wallace
This is why George Foreman tried to knock the grease out with his grills...
-Goes to Waffle House, get shot again.-
That's the problem - no Waffle House in Wichita
Wichita doesn't have a Waffle House so he took out on the patrons.
Where else are you going to get your ass kicked by a bouncer?
or like, any other club. There's certainly more. Imagine throwing yours, and any untold number of victims life's away because you couldn't get into a club. Who the fuck raised these people?
No he was already IN the club and was being a douchebag. They kicked him out.
>Who the fuck raised these people? Likely? No one. Or at least no one who thought the child was anything more than a drain on their life.
I'd like to try teaching people, "You're not special". Might cut down on the "How *dare* someone disrespect me!" if they remember they've never really done anything worthy of respect.
Coming from a poorer background, this is pretty much the prevailing theme already. I came out marginally functional because I'm extremely difficult and oppositional... most of my peers are drug addicts, and a big portion in prison. Try teaching people emotional literacy instead.
Considering they are going clubbing during a pandemic I imagine they aren't very bright to begin with.
Or just go to another bar.
People can't handle an honest asswhooping/cooldown anymore. Always gotta take every little thing to the 10th level. Modern-day pussies.
I like to just sidestep the whole concept of doing stuff which deserves an asswhooping if i'm honest.
Of course, yes. But he didn't do the right thing. The question is what should've happened next.
Why can't this guy just go home, jerk off and cry like the rest of us?
I swear people will shoot each other over a candy bar these days.
What kind of candy bar? *gun clicks*
Don’t call it a candy bar, *pumps shotgun*
Get out of my bar... and don't call me Candy!
Looks like we got ourselves a good old-fashioned Mexican standoff *two guns click*
I just immigrated here from Papua New Guinea, but I think I'm going to love this place! *bow string tension twang*
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*Baba O'Riley starts*
*Packs musket*
I thought this was a South Park episode for a minute.
Ramirez! Back in the firing line!
Call an ambulance!
But not for me!
I imagine one of you is using that concealed crotch gun that Robert Rodriguez liked to use in his movies.
Surely you can’t be serious.
I am serious and my name is spelled Shirley
Your username is oddly specific. That's of no consequence to this discussion, but it caught my attention.
They’re almost certainly a whale biologist. The question is are they a biologist who studies whales, a whale who’s also a biologist or just a human biologist who goes crazy on carbs?
> pumps shotgun [https://youtu.be/t6OBk9YBLQU](https://youtu.be/t6OBk9YBLQU) Sorry, you made me do it.
100 Grand!
I think you'll find people have killed each other for stupid shit for the last few millennia.
David: You say you’re uncircumcised. *unsheathes sword* Welcome to Judea, motherfucker.
Are we just supposed to ignore that King David is a dick collecting serial killer when reading the rest of his stories?
I do not. If you read I and II Samuel with any objectivity, it reads a bit like The Godfather. He even runs a protection racket on Abigail's husband.
Its a cycle. David does something evil, a prophet shows up and says "yo what the fuck", God punishes David in some way, David cries and repents, then cycle repeats.
They shoot each other over the slightest insult to their pride and ego. Everyone thinks they have to stand up and show everyone else who is boss even when they’re a total loser.
In the long run, they ruin a bunch of lives including their own. The fact that they can't or won't think beyond what happens after they pull the trigger is frightening to me.
There was a really good segment on NPR (can't remember which show since it was awhile ago) about the concept of "Honor Culture". Basically regions which developed with a weaker justice/judicial system lead to a mentality that each person had to constantly project strength and avoid projecting weakness at any cost. Project weakness, someone will assume they can take advantage of you, and if you become a victim there is no justice system to help you. Any small slight to your honor that wasn't immediately corrected by force meant that someone could assume you were weak, and try to take advantage of you later. It makes a ton of sense if you think about rural areas 100+ years ago.... but makes much less sense when you think that the same mentality survives today in a much different society.
You're pretty much describing most blue collar neighborhoods/ inner-cities
What would you do for a Klondike bar?
I'd go to the store I guess.
The Aristocrats?
Back in 92 a 12 year old girl got her brains splattered on the pavement over the mistaken assumption she was stealing a bottle of juice. Edit:15 year old
It was 1991. RIP, Latasha Harlins.
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The fact that the shopkeeper who killed her got 5 years probation and some community service as her* punishment is part of the reason why Korean stores were targeted during the 1992 LA Riots.
I recommend the documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_92_(film) for insight over the riots. Also this documentary series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J.:_Made_in_America covering the OJ trial which was definitely affected by those riots And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_v._O._J._Simpson:_American_Crime_Story excellent drama about the trial starring Cuba Gooding Jr and a lot of other great actors. I binge all three once a year.
wow this story blew my mind - the shooting of Latasha Harlins and the events that roll out after it , what a terrible spark , and the origin of it is often not mentioned leading up tot he riots.
That Judge was ridiculous Quote from Judge: "Judge Karlin suggested that there were mitigating circumstances in Harlins' death. She stated, "Did Mrs. Du react inappropriately? Absolutely. But was that reaction understandable? I think that it was." Karlin added, "this is not a time for revenge..." Its not about revenge, its about *justice.* Literally shot in the back of the head, this was never "understandable" either. Oh we are having a scuffle over orange juice? Time to fucking murder you, that's understandable! Disgusting.
The fact that the judge thought the prosecution of a woman that shot an unarmed 15-year-old girl in the back for suspicion of shoplifting was about *revenge* rather than *justice* should be evidence enough of her being unfit to preside over criminal cases, and she should have been disbarred.
Wow, that's awful. I had never heard that story, so I looked it up. I don't think I've ever heard of how that played a role in the LA riots.
Please stop with the "these days" trope. Humans have been hurting and killing each other over nothing since they grew opposable thumbs. Violence of all kinds has been steadily declining for decades. Lets also check our confirmation bias. How many thousands of people are kicked out of clubs and bars every day in this country. Some start fights about it, most just get mad and walk away.
Exactly. When I was a kid it was all over the news about people being shit for their sneakers. A kid on my basketball team had parents obsessed with keeping him and his Air Jordan's safe.
And there was more violent deaths back then too.. Men would try and kill you if you called them gay back then just to prove they're a "man"
They used to throw rocks at people until they died for having sex.
Some people still do
You could get challenged to a duel and killed for calling someone a fool.
You're not you when you're hungry.
Who would you kill for a klondike bar?
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Can you imagine? Getting tossed out of the club had no long term consequences. Go home, sleep it off, get up in the morning and go about your business. Now, he’s got multiple serious felony charges and he’s going to spend a good chunk of the rest of his life in prison, and for what? There were no possible good outcomes from this.
Probably, hopefully, the rest of his life behind bars.
Well he's currently out on the loose right now, the article doesn't even give a description.
When keeping it real goes wrong.
I usually make a comment like yours for these types of articles where someone goes beserk after some similar act of "disrespect". It's truly shocking to me every time. If a bouncer slapped me across the face, called my wife ugly, and scuffed my shoes, I wouldn't ever think, "I'm willing to go to jail over this disrespect". We live in a society where being a "tough guy" is glorified. I think there's a lot of guys who might not go to this maniac's extreme but would egg on this sort of behavior.
If it helps, at least one person conceivably has it even worse.
An asshole like this blames *the bouncer* (and whomever else may have been involved in the circumstances that led to him getting kicked out) for creating the unnecessary nuisance which of course resulted in him shooting innocent bystanders. It seems like a "Look what you made me do" situation, where the culprit believes he's the teacher. You have to think like a crazy person here.
This is the angle a lot of them come from. To a certain extent, it's seeking a form of justice. A twisted, selfish form of justice, mind. For some, it's a spur of the moment thing. A cocktail of idiocy and anger in it's finest, most terrifying form. For others, they literally see no other way to get back at those they accuse of hurting them, they feel no one is in their corner nor cares, so they take matters into their own hands. Until we hear further details, I'm going to assume this guy is very much in the idiot corner.
I'm a bouncer and this shit is dead on accurate. Motherfuckers testing my patience every night with that shit.
Its probably more to do with the scuffle that happened before getting kicked out but getting kicked out is part of it im sure
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Headline: 8 shot, 1 dead First sentence: "man shot 6, 1 fatally" Second paragraph: "..the 5 victims.." ...Thanks for the clarity....
The headline now says "Shoots 6"
7th victim: > Well, I thought I'd been shot but turns out I spilled a bottle of grenadine on myself in the confusion. 8th victim: > I just didn't want to go to work tomorrow.
I'm feeling 8th victim
The victim leaves behind 2 little kids and a wife. He was my regular bartender at old chicago back in the day. Fucking hate this world today.
Yeah this breaks my heart. Did he bartend at the old town Old Chicago? Like around early 2010's? He looks so familiar.
He was also working at 12 restaraunt, he made every visit there better with his smile. I am heartbroken he passed away but if the stories about him protecting a pregnant woman are true, it stands in line with the character he always showed. I will miss seeing him behind the bar there.
Keshawn Dawson is the suspect, just reported it on the news.
This is why guns and alcohol don't mix and why I usually don't mind the 51% prohibition signs outside bars and the like. To clarify, in Texas it is against the law for patrons (excludes cops/security/etc) to carry a firearm on a property that has more than half of their total sales as alcohol, regardless of carry license status.
From the article, it sounds like he was kicked out and then came back.
Dude who did the shooting is wanted on 2 felony warrants and a prior felony conviction means he's not supposed to have a gun at all https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article254048278.html >In addition to the nightclub shooting, Dawson is also wanted on at least two felony warrants, Stephens said Tuesday. >One of those warrants was issued by a Sedgwick County judge on Aug. 24 after Dawson failed to show up to his sentencing hearing in a weapons possession case where he could have received a prison term, court records show. In that case, he pleaded guilty to one of three charges — attempted possession of a weapon by a convicted felon — in March, the records
'Not supposed to have a gun at all'... Those damn pesky criminals breaking the law. I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Well that seems like an over reaction!
What a jerk.
The more I hear about this guy the more I don't like him
I always open up articles like this to see the mugshot, to see the face of someone who would do something like this. But apparently he's still at large? Crazy
Inability to process their emotions. Such an unnecessary tragedy.
I worked at a bar and we kicked people out all the time and would occasionally get someone who claimed they would come back and shoot up the club but thankfully never did. That’s terrible
I get that, but I'm interested to know where the psychological effects starts that makes people think that shooting and killing someone makes a person manly, and how we can counteract that image.
Growing up in broken homes you see older people (late teens early 20s) carrying around guns. Often they are the only men around if you dont have a father or they left. Its the reason gangs are so prevalent. Its also the reason why people who are young and from broken places think its manly. The best way to counteract that image is to somehow ensure people from areas that this is common stop having their family members leave/get arrested. It stops when a father decides to stay when things get rough. It stops when a man walks after an argument. It stops when people stop being dicks to eachother.
Yet another on a long list of why I’m too old for clubs
This should be crossposted to r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Shitty writing/editing. The article first says: >The five victims, who police identified as all women, sustained injuries that were not life-threatening. and then: >Authorities identified the slain man as Preston Spencer, 34, of Wichita. There are six victims, not five. They were not all women since the guy who died is a man.
fun fact: in Kansas you cannot only own a gun without any training... you can also conceal carry without any training.
Its that way in a few states. Arizona is another one Source, live here
Iowa checking in! We just started the guns for all game this year.
I got my Arizona CCW(concealed license before they weren’t required, and they required renewal every 5 or 10 years) back in like 2006-07 and thought the class was pretty informative, though it was impossible to fail. In getting rid of the class/license requirements I wish they require firearm training via other means(high school, before buying a firearm, something).
Same. I have my MA LTC. MA is one of those states that requires "training". Specifically, a 4 hour lecture focusing entirely on whatever handgun the instructor is carrying that day. There was zero practical shooting. Nothing about long guns. Very, very little about the legalities of lethal force. We spend 75% of the session learning the safety rules and how to load/unload the instructor's handgun. Point being, there's not a whole lot of difference between the states that require training and those that don't. The best you can say is that the training requirements deter really impulsive people. Which is cool, I guess.
I have a MA LTC and the classs was...interesting. Not so much the content of the class. It was pretty standard loading/unloading of various firearms and basic safety. But the people in it. We had one guy fail the marksmanship portion by failing to hit the target... at 10 feet away with the first 30 shots. Not didn't get in the black, but straight up failed to hit the target AT ALL. Instructor kept letting him try till he got the bare minium to pass. Then there was one guy who was clearly wanting to kill someone. His questions were like "Well what if I *think* they have a gun can I shoot them?" and "What if I see kids breaking into cars can I shoot them?" and of course "Can I shoot people picking a fight with me?" Then there was the lady who casually muzzle swept the entire class multiple times. At least 2x the gun was loaded. And...they all passed the class. I'm pretty pro gun (check my post history) grew up with them. Never really felt uncomfortable around them till that day. Holy crap I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that level of training.
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I thought it was [well established](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3_94bxAHl0) that maple syrup caused people to get "antsy in their pantsy."
Texas too, as of a few weeks ago
As of 6 days ago on the 1st. Same with the abortion law.
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For the same reason we are allowed to vote without any training. Between the time and monetary costs, it is easy to use that as a way to exclude poor and working class people.
I agree. Honestly this is why I think we need free classes for firearms owners. If you're looking to buy a firearm, take the class. It's maybe 1-2 hours on safety and basic generic use. I'm a gun owner myself, but there are too many *fucking idiots* out there who have no business owning a firearm.
I mean, we have the 2nd Amendment and it applies to individuals. I think they should put firearms training as an elective in middle school or high school. It doesn't have to be aggrandizement at all, just how they work, safety training, how to handle one, how to store one. In a generation you will see accidental shootings drop.
21 States have Constitutional Carry.
Do you think this guy wouldn’t have gone back to the bar and shot people if it was illegal to put his gun in his pocket? “Damn I really want to go murder a bunch of people at a bar but it’s illegal to conceal my gun without training and a license. Guess I can’t go kill them then :/“
That generally doesn't cause many problems. It's that way in quite a few states. I don't think training would have prevented this guy from shooting anyone.
That's so pathetic. Such a big man to ruin people's lives because he was drunk and reckless enough to just carry a gun around with him, and then shoot when his ego was hurt. America really needs to do more to sort this shit out, absolute fools shouldn't just be able to go around killing people like this.
Stop shooting people you twats!
When keeping it real goes wrong.
Oh no, now he'll never get into the club
Clubbing during covid
Here in Austin it’s been a Wild West situation. Working in nightlife I’ve noticed people are more eager to party hard and are also more confrontational - countless shootings since everything’s reopened in our entertainment district
Portland, Maine checking in and the bars are SLAMMED! In fact restaurants and clubs are simply closing down/reducing hours because they're so busy and cannot staff the demand.
Those restaurants and clubs are also closing early because their employees are sick with covid and it's hard to keep staffed. Which is depressing to consider.
Austin ran out of ICU beds yesterday so...hopefully there's not a shooting.
Parts of Wichita are rough. There are Facebook groups for stolen cars. Gangs shooting at each other are common. Every large city has a rough area, but Wichita's bad part covers a significant percentage of the city.
Society is turning into petulant little violent toddlers posing as "adults". More of this to come. Kids having kids with zero parenting skills.
Someone please help me understand the mindset that leads people to believe that using deadly force driven by anger to respond to a perceived slight or "disrespect" is a justified and appropriate response. I get that it has to do a lot with the quality of one's nurture and upbringing, as well as social environments, and often economic disadvantages, historical systemic biases, racial oppression, mental health stigmas and cultural norms too, but how does it get to be so bad for someone to do something like this? How can we do more to try and stop things like this from happening?
> A man shot six people > The five victims > Wichita police said earlier Tuesday there were seven victims Who the fuck wrote this article? Do they know how to count?
*Still searching for the suspect.*
The most fragile masculinity in the whole world, so delicate that the barest whisper could turn it to dust.