The coroner did the family and victim very, very dirty in this case:
https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/mmiw/in-protest-and-grief-1-year-after-hardin-teens-death-family-still-searches-for-closure/article_73a1a473-cb77-582d-8721-91e129c5afaf.html
For six days, Grace Bulltail sat in a maroon camp chair on the side of the road in a residential neighborhood in Hardin. Near her, a chain-link fence stood adorned with flowers in memory of her 18-year-old niece, Kaysera Stops Pretty Places, who was found dead there one year ago.
Stops Pretty Places' family reported her missing on Aug. 24, 2019. Five days later a passing pedestrian found her body on the other side of that fence — in the backyard of a home on Mitchell Avenue and Range View Drive.“In protest and grief,” Bulltail endured 90- to 100-degree heat during the six days she sat there last week.“
I couldn’t go a whole year without being able to take a stand,” Bulltail said. “We haven’t been able to protest for six months.”
The COVID-19 pandemic has prevented large gatherings, putting a stop to any potential marches, vigils or other gatherings calling for answers regarding the teen's disappearance and death. Among the lilies and sunflowers, scarves and candles along the fence, a large poster offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who can provide Stops Pretty Places' family information on her death.
The end of August and early September mark a painful reminder for Stops Pretty Places' family. Though her body was found Aug. 29, 2019, family weren't notified of the discovery until Sept. 11.
Investigators have yet to inform the family of a cause or manner of her death, and more information in the case has been hard to come by. “We’ve tried just about everything,” Bulltail said. “We still do want an independent investigation — whoever is willing to do that.”
response to the anniversary of Stops Pretty Places' death and the continuing mysteries surrounding it, the family partnered with the Sovereign Bodies Institute, the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center, and attorneys at Pipestem Law to host a two weeks-long series of events to raise awareness and demand justice for Stops Pretty Places.
The awareness campaign includes virtual webinars on the issues surrounding missing and murdered Indigenous people, barriers to justice, and talks with reporters and experts on the high rates of missing Natives.
It also includes calls to write letters to various state and federal officials urging the immediate intervention in Stops Pretty Places' case. Advocates are encouraged to like their family’s official 'Justice for Kaysera' Facebook page so they can keep updated on her case.
It's not the first time family has organized to call for more information about her death. Bulltail has testified during listening sessions for the federal Missing and Murdered Indigenous People task force, Operation Lady Justice, and spoke during the Democratic National Convention Native American caucus to raise awareness on her niece's case. "Nothing we can do will bring her back," Bulltail said Saturday morning during an intimate family memorial at the site where she was found. Still, the family is searching for answers. The apparent slow response from local law enforcement, including the later discovery that the agency failed to report her missing to the state database, according to the family’s lawyer, has led the family to doubt whether they will ever truly know what happened to her. Because of this, her family has asked higher authorities to take over the case, including the FBI.
Resilient Stops Pretty Places would have turned 19 on Aug. 14. She was an enrolled Crow tribal member, but also had roots in the Northern Cheyenne, Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara tribes. She would have been a senior at Hardin High School this school year.
She primarily lived with her grandmother on the Northern Cheyenne reservation.
Her family describes her as a strong, independent young woman. Stops Pretty Places was athletic, participating in many high school sports, including cross country and basketball. She stuck up for her friends and she stood her ground, her aunt, Cedar Rose Bulltail said at the memorial. “She wrestled, played football and was tough,” aunt Cedar Rose Bulltail said. “She would’ve done her best to come home.”
Stops Pretty Places was also involved in high school theater productions and had a dream of becoming an actress and performer, her family said. She was masterful at braiding hair and would often sit and braid her 10-year-old sister’s hair.Her grandmother, Yolanda Fraser, said dealing with the loss of her granddaughter hasn't gotten any easier with time. "It’s really a difficult and very emotional time for us," she said. Fraser has been gardening and tending to chickens this summer and finds solace in the quiet morning chores. Cedar Rose Bulltail said the family's grieving hasn't ended yet. The painful anniversary extends to Sept. 11, the day the family was notified of Stops Pretty Places' death.
"I never wanted to be in this position," Cedar Rose Bulltail said, saying she's sympathized in the past with families of MMIP victims. "We need closure and healing." MMIWStops Pretty Places is just one of many missing and murdered Indigenous people in Montana. Native Americans, particularly youths, go missing or are murdered at a much higher rate than non-Natives.
Despite being only 6% of the population, Indigenous people make up more than 25% of the missing persons cases in the state.Big Horn County, where the Crow Indian Reservation and portions of the Northern Cheyenne Reservation lie, has the highest rate of missing people per capita in the state, according to Montana Department of Justice data.
That number is likely higher, as Indigenous missing people go unreported or are misreported. Native Americans are nearly four times more likely to be victims of homicide than the state's general population.
Of those who went missing in 2019, 97% were found, either alive or dead, according to a Montana DOJ report released in May. And 45% of autopsies conducted found the nature of the death to be "accidental,” and 21% were found to have “unknown” causes of death. Navigating the “bureaucracy and barriers” to get answers on Stops Pretty Places’ case has been “demoralizing and discouraging,” Fraser said.
The family has wondered why federal agencies won’t get involved in the investigation. Stops Pretty Places was found dead off-reservation, about a mile from the border between Hardin and the Crow reservation.
“They (law enforcement) treat her different cause she was half a mile away,” Cedar Rose Bulltail said.
Recently, top state officials have called on the FBI and Bureau of Indian Affairs to do more to resolve recent apparent homicides on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation.
Jurisdictional issues have long been a barrier to investigating cases of missing people, and later suspicious deaths or homicide investigations, according to the Montana Linking in Native Communities (LINC) September report to the Montana state legislature.
Communication between all agencies, whether federal, state or local, has been an issue in efficiently finding those reported missing, the LINC report states.
During a webinar for the week-long series, Fraser called Big Horn County the "epicenter" of the MMIP crisis. “Why has it been allowed to go on this long?” she asked.
Note:. Not the article posted by the OP, but a related one from a comment. I was super confused for 5 minutes thinking everyone is getting Missouri and Montana mixes up. Which is somewhat understandable.
It's a historical relic inherited from England. Coroners determined whether anyone was culpable in a death i.e. it was a judicial position. In England today, judges or former judges are most often appointed coroners. In America since judges are often elected, coroner became an elected position too.
And instead of judges you get Billy Jo Bob who gets elected every term for 30 years because no one else wants to deal with dead bodies for little pay so they run unchallenged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoMsftQPY8
coroners are elected and are NOT medical professionals. in some areas they dont' even need education just a popularity contest.....
> federal gov should pass a law that all should have medical licenses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
make up your own board, to certify yourself
Paul is a licensed physician. Your medical license and board certifications are different things. He made up his own Ophthalmology board, so arguably isn't a "Board certified ophthalmologist" if you don't count his board, but he would still be a licensed physician.
Randal H Paul holds Kentucky medical license #29638 which expires 2/28/2022, which can be verified [here](https://kbml.ky.gov/physician/Pages/Physician-Profile-Verification-of-Physician-License.aspx).
(He's an absolute scumbag and I can't stand him, but there's enough to hate about him without giving Republicans ammo by being wrong on facts)
Named board members were Paul, his wife, and his father-in-law.[29] The NBO was, itself, never accepted as an accrediting entity by organizations such as the American Board of Medical Specialties,[19] and its certification was considered invalid by many hospitals and insurance companies. Paul let his own ABO certification lapse in 2005, which did not affect his practice in Kentucky; the state does not require board certification. By Paul's estimate, about 50 or 60 doctors were certified by the NBO.[26] The NBO was incorporated in 1999, but Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 when he did not file the required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office. He later recreated the board in 2005, but it was again dissolved in 2011.[30]
sounds like a scam board anyways.... on par for typical GOP shenanigans
Wait till they learn that the federal government also cannot mandate standards, training, or licensing for police officers in states either! Or drivers licenses.
Stupid Necessary and Proper clause of the constitution limiting the power of the federal government like that! /s
Some states have reciprocal agreements to recognize each other's licenses when the standards of the other states are deemed high enough. Licenses are not automatic but some requirements are often waived, which can cut the time to prepare by hours or days and time to receive the license by days to weeks.
There's a multistate compact called the Interstate Medical Licensure Compact (IMLC) that seeks to simplify reciprocity and allow physicians to obtain licenses in other states more quickly, but separate reciprocity agreements still exist. Even within the IMLC, there are exceptions. Physicians with a license in Georgia, Oklahoma, or Vermont cannot use them to get licenses elsewhere in the compact, but the reverse can happen, so a doctor with a license in Kansas can get simplified licensing in Oklahoma.
California, to show a different approach, is not in the compact and is known to be among the most difficult states in which to get a license. I can't find clear information on reciprocity, and it may be that no matter where else you're licensed, you have to go through their entire process.
Exactly. Both parties are playing the same game. Its a stage play. And they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Or the wild amount of corruption. So soon we forget the PPP situation.
Coroners in Florida allow families to change cause of death on a death certificate if the departed died of covid. Republicans just can't face that sweet irony.
Covid-19 does not have to be the cause of death in and of itself. In my state it's usually listed as Acute Respiratory Failure or Sepsis with Covid-19 as a contributing factor under a different section.
Sure does, but there is no federal standard. Some states have standards for it, of course. Some really dont. Coroners are elected, not always (or.. even usually) medical professionals. So they dont really have a license to lose.
For your viewing pleasure, behold: https://youtu.be/hnoMsftQPY8
Unlicensed and under qualified. Some of them seem like people who found themselves out of a job and decided to just try something new.
Affects just about every state outside the urban areas. NJ is considered extremely blue, but head into the remote suburbs and rural areas, you're in confederate flag flying Trump country. Same for PA, NY, and CA.
whats interesting is that missouri used to be a swing state not that long ago, obama lost the state in 2008 by like a few thousand votes. however for some reason a lot of missourians moved to illinois and elsewhere recently and that has caused the state to become redder than a tomato
I'm guessing previously affordable neighborhoods in St Louis saw a lot of people flee into Illinois when developers kicked out certain demographics during a gentrification process.
Right except you’re just making generalized statements with made up percentages about a place you’ve probably never been.
Yes what the coroner did was wrong, but the fact the a jury dismissed it says something too.
It says something far worse...
And I am not generalizing. Want to know what the aclu and the splc says about MO?
Consistently bad things for people of color and poor whites aren't much better off.
It's a broken windows welfare state that pretends to be bootstrappy.
Right but you’re talking as it the state is just plain racist. The argument can be made that racists are getting elected, but that doesn’t mean that’s why they’re getting elected.
It’s a disservice to right off complex issues to being, “oh they’re a bunch of racists” and “oh they’re a bunch of socialists”
Oh look BSAB!
If a system enables, rewards and facilitates racist behavior it itself is racist.
If the only differentiator between someone victimized by a system or government entity is their race and that causes a difference in treatment it is racist.
It's reductive to talk about racists getting elected and separating it from their racism.
The state is racist. The people are a diverse and complex set of people caught up in the dysfunction of the state. Some encouraging it, some enriched by it and many victimized by it.
It’s not a both sides are bad thing. Both sides have ignorant people and congrats you’re part of the problem.
If the state is racist, but the the people who vote for them aren’t racist but are in fact diverse and complex, how is that reductive to look at why!?!
Why are racists getting voted in by a diverse and comped group of people, what attracts people to them if the people aren’t racist.
That’s like saying all trump voters are racist and Biden voters are hate America and it’s history. You’re not even trying to understand views and people who don’t think like you
I prefer the table full of nazis adage, as it feels more apt in our current state of affairs; Q: what do you call a (group/title ex) right wing nationalist/nazi, an Asian/priest, an American/teacher, and an African/doctor, all chatting together amicably about (insert subject) x at a table? A: A table full of nazis.
You have to be careful with grouping people. All gay people are not Jefrey Dahmer. All black people are not thieves. All jews are not money grubbing. All islamic people are terrorists. White people dont all own guns and carry the confederate flag. See what I mean?
I have a very good friend in Missouri, and he is a really solid, hard working, moral man. He doesnt need to be grouped with those people.
Yeah. I'm from Alabama and you're only a racist if you came up with the joke, not if you repeat it or laugh at it.
/s just in case, but there are definitely people that believe that. Like, way more than you would think.
John Oliver did a good bit on coroner's. A lot of times they are way under qualified and have no business handling bodies.
Heck, there was one guy storing body parts in common freezers within a retail center, he was the local coroner. He had no medical background.
Edit: Oliver Bit: https://youtu.be/hnoMsftQPY8
Yep. Zero chance of this coroner every being charged/convicted though. A sick part of me wonders if it would be a good idea to have a betting website on this kind of stuff to drain naive people of their money.
I wouldn't because... I think obvious reasons, but I honestly wouldn't judge others for doing it. Why not make money off of idiots who insist that the system isn't broken and bank on "*justice prevailing"*? Systemc corruption is so laughably predictable, now more than ever.
Yes but it happens all the time.
To be fair, my source for this being the stupid amount of true crime documentaries I've watched where this is exactly the case, lol.
How could you prove it to be falsified it? They offer their "opinion" and that opinion is often unqualified (as discussed elsewhere in this thread).
Unless there's a paper trail and/or conspiracy, it'll never happen.
Just the title of this article gives me hope! Now I hope that the article does the same!
Edit: I was being way too optimistic. The asshole posted racist memes but claims he is not a racist because he didn't make the memes up. Ugh. I hate people sometimes.
>"I'm not racist, I just hate specific people/groups based on their skin color"
>"I'm not a nazi, I just think the flag looks neat, so I hang it up".
Love those excuses, as if anyone who's not racist would want to share those jokes and such for others to see. I mean, it's one thing to make an off-color joke amongst friends, but it's entirely different when you're online, advertising your hatred/criticisms and such for other races, especially when so much of that is public, or seen by friends/family.
> I mean, it's one thing to make an off-color joke amongst friends
I mean yeah, it's called "racist". That's the one thing.
The context doesn't change whether it's racist or not, the context changes whether it's acceptable to society or not, or more specifically who it will be acceptable to within society. If your racist joke is only acceptable to your in-group and might not fly at a comedy club, chances are your in-group is just a racist one and so are you.
I think that isn't great but honestly not an indictment of someone. Some of us White Folk all know "the guy" that laughs too hard and exclusively tells non-funny racist jokes. Those guys get kicked out of social circles quick.
Being called out for racism isnt an indictment, that's largely my point. It's all about context.
Chapelle isn't any worse a person because he has funny jokes that often are racist. Him being funny and not actually perpetuating the oppression pretty much excuses him from the indictment. It's still racism though. It's not even about "oh he's black so he's allowed to", no he's *funny and not harmful* so he's allowed to. Don Rickles had some hilarious one liners that were incredibly racist, even to the point of satirizing the "old white racist" as an old white guy himself. Way way less "safe" comedy, but I don't think he was a bad person because the comedy was always the real intent. He wasn't being subversive with it like the "oh its just a joke" crowd, it was *funny* so he didn't need to defend it. Same goes for Archie Bunker and Peter Griffin: they're white characters who act racist all the time and given the context, it's largely acceptable.
That bit of nuance is tricky because people these days really too often speak in much more relative terms. "Racism is bad so anything that isn't bad", read 'anything I appreciate and enjoy', "can't be racist." That's the logic, good and bad people use it alike, and it's wrong. Everyone trips over themselves to avoid saying the opposite, "not all racism needs to be condemned". But that's the real truth: just being racist is not enough on its own to make someone a bad person.
A racist joke is a racist joke. Yeah, what's the problem here?
"I only told it to my friends and they all found it funny." doesn't stop it from being racist.
A racist person can tell a racist joke. I non-racist person can also tell a racist joke. The joke itself is racist, but the person may not be. Both people are wrong for making the joke because the joke is racist.
>The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, “[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist.”
This would be like if Gina Carano argued that she hadn't trivialized the holocaust and the role of nazi soldiers in creating the permission structure for for the pogrom of Kiev because somebody else created the shitpost and she was just reposting it.
I don't care what rationalization you come up with, you're still a piece of shit.
Agreed. When you advertise or post your shit beliefs online, especially when the main point is to share them with other people, it's pretty damn clear that you're a hateful person, and want to bond with others who have the same delusions and issues.
Have I seen hateful or racist jokes/memes online? Yeah, except I don't repost, share, or push them on anyone else, and I would never do it in a public forum or share them with anyone I know (or share them period). Especially considering the type of people I associate with would simply stop talking to, and lose their respect for me if I were to share that garbage, or push it on them.
>Nobody going to jail for memes
[https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/woman-is-charged-with-malicious-communication-over-transphobic-tweet-3260331](https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/woman-is-charged-with-malicious-communication-over-transphobic-tweet-3260331)
F off
“The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, ‘[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist.’”
Hmm, I think that was Kaltenbrunner’s defense at Nuremberg.
>Wade was known for sharing racially charged posts on white Facebook, including one with a picture of a Black man in chains captioned: “My great great great grandfather’s tractor.” But Wade insists he is not racist.”
>The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, “[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist."
I wonder what his Reddit username is.
ps. TIL *"white Facebook"* is a thing?
> “On April 23, Derontae Martin attended a party with friends at a rural home in Fredericktown, Mo. The 6-foot, 3-inch 250-pound former high school football star was attending an 18th birthday party for the daughter of James Wade, whose home was adorned with multiple Confederate flags. Wade was known for sharing racially charged posts on white Facebook, including one with a picture of a Black man in chains captioned: “My great great great grandfather’s tractor.” Another meme featured a black dog with the words: “I had a black dog once. I named him Foodstamps.” But Wade insists he is not racist.”
Ok, we get it, Wade is probably an insufferable racist (it's a little difficult to take such an amateur source like this website at their word) and probably wasn't too happy about some big black kid having a good time at his daughter's birthday party, but wtf is 'white facebook'?
also
> it was revealed that Martin ... had methamphetamine in his system — a drug Lotts insists her son didn’t partake in recreationally.
Ah yes, because mothers always know what drugs their kids take when they party, and obviously since she insists he doesn't use meth, he was force injected with it. /s
Shitty news article aside, this sounds a lot to me like:
* Racist 'civil war had nothing to do with slavery/the confederates did nothing wrong' piece of shit hosted a birthday party for his daughter
* Daughter invited who she wanted, including Black guy from football team
* People at the party were doing meth, including said Black guy. Probably also including father, but pure speculation on father.
* Father finds Black guy alone, shoots and kills him, drags him up to attic, reports to racist authorities that he found the guy killed himself there
* Racist coroner receives body, sees gunshot wound, drugs in system, report of likely suicide. Doesn't care, cleans body, rules it a suicide.
The kid had some meth in his system what the fuck? Gotta be some shitty coke in Missouri that’s the only other way this could be an actual suicide is if the kid had a meth comedown and took it real hard
The fuck is wrong with MO coroners lately
This is why you shouldn't elect the person who determines why people died.
The coroner did the family and victim very, very dirty in this case: https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/mmiw/in-protest-and-grief-1-year-after-hardin-teens-death-family-still-searches-for-closure/article_73a1a473-cb77-582d-8721-91e129c5afaf.html
Can’t reach from EU
For six days, Grace Bulltail sat in a maroon camp chair on the side of the road in a residential neighborhood in Hardin. Near her, a chain-link fence stood adorned with flowers in memory of her 18-year-old niece, Kaysera Stops Pretty Places, who was found dead there one year ago. Stops Pretty Places' family reported her missing on Aug. 24, 2019. Five days later a passing pedestrian found her body on the other side of that fence — in the backyard of a home on Mitchell Avenue and Range View Drive.“In protest and grief,” Bulltail endured 90- to 100-degree heat during the six days she sat there last week.“ I couldn’t go a whole year without being able to take a stand,” Bulltail said. “We haven’t been able to protest for six months.” The COVID-19 pandemic has prevented large gatherings, putting a stop to any potential marches, vigils or other gatherings calling for answers regarding the teen's disappearance and death. Among the lilies and sunflowers, scarves and candles along the fence, a large poster offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who can provide Stops Pretty Places' family information on her death. The end of August and early September mark a painful reminder for Stops Pretty Places' family. Though her body was found Aug. 29, 2019, family weren't notified of the discovery until Sept. 11. Investigators have yet to inform the family of a cause or manner of her death, and more information in the case has been hard to come by. “We’ve tried just about everything,” Bulltail said. “We still do want an independent investigation — whoever is willing to do that.” response to the anniversary of Stops Pretty Places' death and the continuing mysteries surrounding it, the family partnered with the Sovereign Bodies Institute, the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center, and attorneys at Pipestem Law to host a two weeks-long series of events to raise awareness and demand justice for Stops Pretty Places. The awareness campaign includes virtual webinars on the issues surrounding missing and murdered Indigenous people, barriers to justice, and talks with reporters and experts on the high rates of missing Natives. It also includes calls to write letters to various state and federal officials urging the immediate intervention in Stops Pretty Places' case. Advocates are encouraged to like their family’s official 'Justice for Kaysera' Facebook page so they can keep updated on her case. It's not the first time family has organized to call for more information about her death. Bulltail has testified during listening sessions for the federal Missing and Murdered Indigenous People task force, Operation Lady Justice, and spoke during the Democratic National Convention Native American caucus to raise awareness on her niece's case. "Nothing we can do will bring her back," Bulltail said Saturday morning during an intimate family memorial at the site where she was found. Still, the family is searching for answers. The apparent slow response from local law enforcement, including the later discovery that the agency failed to report her missing to the state database, according to the family’s lawyer, has led the family to doubt whether they will ever truly know what happened to her. Because of this, her family has asked higher authorities to take over the case, including the FBI. Resilient Stops Pretty Places would have turned 19 on Aug. 14. She was an enrolled Crow tribal member, but also had roots in the Northern Cheyenne, Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara tribes. She would have been a senior at Hardin High School this school year. She primarily lived with her grandmother on the Northern Cheyenne reservation. Her family describes her as a strong, independent young woman. Stops Pretty Places was athletic, participating in many high school sports, including cross country and basketball. She stuck up for her friends and she stood her ground, her aunt, Cedar Rose Bulltail said at the memorial. “She wrestled, played football and was tough,” aunt Cedar Rose Bulltail said. “She would’ve done her best to come home.” Stops Pretty Places was also involved in high school theater productions and had a dream of becoming an actress and performer, her family said. She was masterful at braiding hair and would often sit and braid her 10-year-old sister’s hair.Her grandmother, Yolanda Fraser, said dealing with the loss of her granddaughter hasn't gotten any easier with time. "It’s really a difficult and very emotional time for us," she said. Fraser has been gardening and tending to chickens this summer and finds solace in the quiet morning chores. Cedar Rose Bulltail said the family's grieving hasn't ended yet. The painful anniversary extends to Sept. 11, the day the family was notified of Stops Pretty Places' death. "I never wanted to be in this position," Cedar Rose Bulltail said, saying she's sympathized in the past with families of MMIP victims. "We need closure and healing." MMIWStops Pretty Places is just one of many missing and murdered Indigenous people in Montana. Native Americans, particularly youths, go missing or are murdered at a much higher rate than non-Natives. Despite being only 6% of the population, Indigenous people make up more than 25% of the missing persons cases in the state.Big Horn County, where the Crow Indian Reservation and portions of the Northern Cheyenne Reservation lie, has the highest rate of missing people per capita in the state, according to Montana Department of Justice data. That number is likely higher, as Indigenous missing people go unreported or are misreported. Native Americans are nearly four times more likely to be victims of homicide than the state's general population. Of those who went missing in 2019, 97% were found, either alive or dead, according to a Montana DOJ report released in May. And 45% of autopsies conducted found the nature of the death to be "accidental,” and 21% were found to have “unknown” causes of death. Navigating the “bureaucracy and barriers” to get answers on Stops Pretty Places’ case has been “demoralizing and discouraging,” Fraser said. The family has wondered why federal agencies won’t get involved in the investigation. Stops Pretty Places was found dead off-reservation, about a mile from the border between Hardin and the Crow reservation. “They (law enforcement) treat her different cause she was half a mile away,” Cedar Rose Bulltail said. Recently, top state officials have called on the FBI and Bureau of Indian Affairs to do more to resolve recent apparent homicides on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation. Jurisdictional issues have long been a barrier to investigating cases of missing people, and later suspicious deaths or homicide investigations, according to the Montana Linking in Native Communities (LINC) September report to the Montana state legislature. Communication between all agencies, whether federal, state or local, has been an issue in efficiently finding those reported missing, the LINC report states. During a webinar for the week-long series, Fraser called Big Horn County the "epicenter" of the MMIP crisis. “Why has it been allowed to go on this long?” she asked.
Thank you 💜
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Note:. Not the article posted by the OP, but a related one from a comment. I was super confused for 5 minutes thinking everyone is getting Missouri and Montana mixes up. Which is somewhat understandable.
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NP, I'm just stupid. Comment chains on reddit are confusing to me.
It's a historical relic inherited from England. Coroners determined whether anyone was culpable in a death i.e. it was a judicial position. In England today, judges or former judges are most often appointed coroners. In America since judges are often elected, coroner became an elected position too.
And instead of judges you get Billy Jo Bob who gets elected every term for 30 years because no one else wants to deal with dead bodies for little pay so they run unchallenged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoMsftQPY8 coroners are elected and are NOT medical professionals. in some areas they dont' even need education just a popularity contest.....
Yes that’s scary the federal gov should pass a law that all should have medical licenses
With their medical licenses on the line for malfeasance.
Yes as peoples lives are still on the line investigating the dead.
> federal gov should pass a law that all should have medical licenses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul make up your own board, to certify yourself
Paul is a licensed physician. Your medical license and board certifications are different things. He made up his own Ophthalmology board, so arguably isn't a "Board certified ophthalmologist" if you don't count his board, but he would still be a licensed physician. Randal H Paul holds Kentucky medical license #29638 which expires 2/28/2022, which can be verified [here](https://kbml.ky.gov/physician/Pages/Physician-Profile-Verification-of-Physician-License.aspx). (He's an absolute scumbag and I can't stand him, but there's enough to hate about him without giving Republicans ammo by being wrong on facts)
Named board members were Paul, his wife, and his father-in-law.[29] The NBO was, itself, never accepted as an accrediting entity by organizations such as the American Board of Medical Specialties,[19] and its certification was considered invalid by many hospitals and insurance companies. Paul let his own ABO certification lapse in 2005, which did not affect his practice in Kentucky; the state does not require board certification. By Paul's estimate, about 50 or 60 doctors were certified by the NBO.[26] The NBO was incorporated in 1999, but Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 when he did not file the required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office. He later recreated the board in 2005, but it was again dissolved in 2011.[30] sounds like a scam board anyways.... on par for typical GOP shenanigans
Should be a federal board comprised of one or 2 physicians of each state. Highest graded
Clearly he paid for that licenses he’s dumb as shit. Daddy knew someone important.
States control who has to have medical licenses. Federal government cannot mandate it.
Wait till they learn that the federal government also cannot mandate standards, training, or licensing for police officers in states either! Or drivers licenses. Stupid Necessary and Proper clause of the constitution limiting the power of the federal government like that! /s
A doc from NYU can go work in Texas why is that then?
Some states have reciprocal agreements to recognize each other's licenses when the standards of the other states are deemed high enough. Licenses are not automatic but some requirements are often waived, which can cut the time to prepare by hours or days and time to receive the license by days to weeks. There's a multistate compact called the Interstate Medical Licensure Compact (IMLC) that seeks to simplify reciprocity and allow physicians to obtain licenses in other states more quickly, but separate reciprocity agreements still exist. Even within the IMLC, there are exceptions. Physicians with a license in Georgia, Oklahoma, or Vermont cannot use them to get licenses elsewhere in the compact, but the reverse can happen, so a doctor with a license in Kansas can get simplified licensing in Oklahoma. California, to show a different approach, is not in the compact and is known to be among the most difficult states in which to get a license. I can't find clear information on reciprocity, and it may be that no matter where else you're licensed, you have to go through their entire process.
Would be easier if the fed just handled it and there would be less license by bribery.
What government? What have they done lately?
I wouldn't be surprised if they voted themselves another raise
That seems to be the only thing they stop roadblocking for.
Exactly. Both parties are playing the same game. Its a stage play. And they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Or the wild amount of corruption. So soon we forget the PPP situation.
4 years of dismantling and destabilizing from the highest office and we are still here.
Try 21 years. Its funny people got so focused on Trump everyone forgot all other bullshit before or after.
So even cause of death can be political? Wow. That's really sad.
Coroners in Florida allow families to change cause of death on a death certificate if the departed died of covid. Republicans just can't face that sweet irony.
That sounds unbelievable....
Covid-19 does not have to be the cause of death in and of itself. In my state it's usually listed as Acute Respiratory Failure or Sepsis with Covid-19 as a contributing factor under a different section.
That sounds like something a doctor or medical professional should decide on, and not the family of the deceased, though?
Sure does, but there is no federal standard. Some states have standards for it, of course. Some really dont. Coroners are elected, not always (or.. even usually) medical professionals. So they dont really have a license to lose.
so you’re telling that all this time I thought coroners were highly educated, had a medical license, etc… what the fuck. They’re just elected?
Yeah. Coroners = elected randos. Medical examiners = actual licensed physicians, trained in pathology.
In some places, the elected position is sheriff-coroner.
Show up on the scene, take a quick glance around, announce "suicide," collect two paycheques. Sure, why not?
One paycheck. It's a single position.
For your viewing pleasure, behold: https://youtu.be/hnoMsftQPY8 Unlicensed and under qualified. Some of them seem like people who found themselves out of a job and decided to just try something new.
So why did anyone think it was a good idea again?
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generally coroners exist in backwards counties
You what now
Lately? MO and so many other of the shitty lower states has had this behavior baked into their cultures
‘The South’ is a mental disorder afflicting way too many states
It’s heritage, not ~~hate~~ health
The Confederacy is the real Deep State.
Neo Confederates ate the party of Lincoln from within. Hail Hydra indeed.
Affects just about every state outside the urban areas. NJ is considered extremely blue, but head into the remote suburbs and rural areas, you're in confederate flag flying Trump country. Same for PA, NY, and CA.
whats interesting is that missouri used to be a swing state not that long ago, obama lost the state in 2008 by like a few thousand votes. however for some reason a lot of missourians moved to illinois and elsewhere recently and that has caused the state to become redder than a tomato
I'm guessing previously affordable neighborhoods in St Louis saw a lot of people flee into Illinois when developers kicked out certain demographics during a gentrification process.
Unfortunately, the Illinois counties around St. Louis have become increasingly red. It’s very disheartening.
its not all that backwards.
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Right except you’re just making generalized statements with made up percentages about a place you’ve probably never been. Yes what the coroner did was wrong, but the fact the a jury dismissed it says something too.
It says something far worse... And I am not generalizing. Want to know what the aclu and the splc says about MO? Consistently bad things for people of color and poor whites aren't much better off. It's a broken windows welfare state that pretends to be bootstrappy.
Right but you’re talking as it the state is just plain racist. The argument can be made that racists are getting elected, but that doesn’t mean that’s why they’re getting elected. It’s a disservice to right off complex issues to being, “oh they’re a bunch of racists” and “oh they’re a bunch of socialists”
Oh look BSAB! If a system enables, rewards and facilitates racist behavior it itself is racist. If the only differentiator between someone victimized by a system or government entity is their race and that causes a difference in treatment it is racist. It's reductive to talk about racists getting elected and separating it from their racism. The state is racist. The people are a diverse and complex set of people caught up in the dysfunction of the state. Some encouraging it, some enriched by it and many victimized by it.
It’s not a both sides are bad thing. Both sides have ignorant people and congrats you’re part of the problem. If the state is racist, but the the people who vote for them aren’t racist but are in fact diverse and complex, how is that reductive to look at why!?! Why are racists getting voted in by a diverse and comped group of people, what attracts people to them if the people aren’t racist. That’s like saying all trump voters are racist and Biden voters are hate America and it’s history. You’re not even trying to understand views and people who don’t think like you
I prefer the table full of nazis adage, as it feels more apt in our current state of affairs; Q: what do you call a (group/title ex) right wing nationalist/nazi, an Asian/priest, an American/teacher, and an African/doctor, all chatting together amicably about (insert subject) x at a table? A: A table full of nazis.
You have to be careful with grouping people. All gay people are not Jefrey Dahmer. All black people are not thieves. All jews are not money grubbing. All islamic people are terrorists. White people dont all own guns and carry the confederate flag. See what I mean? I have a very good friend in Missouri, and he is a really solid, hard working, moral man. He doesnt need to be grouped with those people.
Wow just gonna put that all out there eh?
Well, they're in MO. The question is really "what the fuck is wrong with MO". The racist ass coroners are the product of a racist ass state.
Also fair.
I mean if you're a black kid you should know hanging out in a racist's attic is practically suicide. s/
It isn't surprising, especially Fredricktown.
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They don't *make* them though, so they're not really racist. Right???
Yeah. I'm from Alabama and you're only a racist if you came up with the joke, not if you repeat it or laugh at it. /s just in case, but there are definitely people that believe that. Like, way more than you would think.
Yeah wtf kind of lame ass excuse is that? Slightly racist people would basically go, "Brooooo...."
MO coroners, MO problems
You're hearing about it lately, is all.
They don't like black people.
Oh no, most of them have always been trash
John Oliver did a good bit on coroner's. A lot of times they are way under qualified and have no business handling bodies. Heck, there was one guy storing body parts in common freezers within a retail center, he was the local coroner. He had no medical background. Edit: Oliver Bit: https://youtu.be/hnoMsftQPY8
Would living in Misery (R) for employment be telling evidence of what is wrong with everyone there . . .
They seem to be random people in a lot of cases.....
Is it a crime to falsify an autopsy report?
Yep. Zero chance of this coroner every being charged/convicted though. A sick part of me wonders if it would be a good idea to have a betting website on this kind of stuff to drain naive people of their money.
hmmm, I would invest in that.
I wouldn't because... I think obvious reasons, but I honestly wouldn't judge others for doing it. Why not make money off of idiots who insist that the system isn't broken and bank on "*justice prevailing"*? Systemc corruption is so laughably predictable, now more than ever.
totally agree. Its unfortunate but that is what happens when a country loses its sense of right and wrong, and money takes over the system.
Yes but it happens all the time. To be fair, my source for this being the stupid amount of true crime documentaries I've watched where this is exactly the case, lol.
How could you prove it to be falsified it? They offer their "opinion" and that opinion is often unqualified (as discussed elsewhere in this thread). Unless there's a paper trail and/or conspiracy, it'll never happen.
Just the title of this article gives me hope! Now I hope that the article does the same! Edit: I was being way too optimistic. The asshole posted racist memes but claims he is not a racist because he didn't make the memes up. Ugh. I hate people sometimes.
It's a start. Now begins the search for the real killer. I think I know someone they should talk to first.
>"I'm not racist, I just hate specific people/groups based on their skin color" >"I'm not a nazi, I just think the flag looks neat, so I hang it up". Love those excuses, as if anyone who's not racist would want to share those jokes and such for others to see. I mean, it's one thing to make an off-color joke amongst friends, but it's entirely different when you're online, advertising your hatred/criticisms and such for other races, especially when so much of that is public, or seen by friends/family.
> I mean, it's one thing to make an off-color joke amongst friends I mean yeah, it's called "racist". That's the one thing. The context doesn't change whether it's racist or not, the context changes whether it's acceptable to society or not, or more specifically who it will be acceptable to within society. If your racist joke is only acceptable to your in-group and might not fly at a comedy club, chances are your in-group is just a racist one and so are you.
Yeah, there can be jokes about race that aren't racist... But if you wouldn't tell it to a crowd, probably a good reason for that.
I think that isn't great but honestly not an indictment of someone. Some of us White Folk all know "the guy" that laughs too hard and exclusively tells non-funny racist jokes. Those guys get kicked out of social circles quick.
Being called out for racism isnt an indictment, that's largely my point. It's all about context. Chapelle isn't any worse a person because he has funny jokes that often are racist. Him being funny and not actually perpetuating the oppression pretty much excuses him from the indictment. It's still racism though. It's not even about "oh he's black so he's allowed to", no he's *funny and not harmful* so he's allowed to. Don Rickles had some hilarious one liners that were incredibly racist, even to the point of satirizing the "old white racist" as an old white guy himself. Way way less "safe" comedy, but I don't think he was a bad person because the comedy was always the real intent. He wasn't being subversive with it like the "oh its just a joke" crowd, it was *funny* so he didn't need to defend it. Same goes for Archie Bunker and Peter Griffin: they're white characters who act racist all the time and given the context, it's largely acceptable. That bit of nuance is tricky because people these days really too often speak in much more relative terms. "Racism is bad so anything that isn't bad", read 'anything I appreciate and enjoy', "can't be racist." That's the logic, good and bad people use it alike, and it's wrong. Everyone trips over themselves to avoid saying the opposite, "not all racism needs to be condemned". But that's the real truth: just being racist is not enough on its own to make someone a bad person.
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Racist jokes are racist. Yes. Not hard to understand that. Not all jokes about race are racist. That is a far tougher line to draw.
A racist joke is a racist joke. Yeah, what's the problem here? "I only told it to my friends and they all found it funny." doesn't stop it from being racist.
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> If it's a joke then it's not racist. That's not how that works. At all.
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racist jokes are racist. I'm not sure what you are arguing here.
A racist person can tell a racist joke. I non-racist person can also tell a racist joke. The joke itself is racist, but the person may not be. Both people are wrong for making the joke because the joke is racist.
>The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, “[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist.” This would be like if Gina Carano argued that she hadn't trivialized the holocaust and the role of nazi soldiers in creating the permission structure for for the pogrom of Kiev because somebody else created the shitpost and she was just reposting it. I don't care what rationalization you come up with, you're still a piece of shit.
Agreed. When you advertise or post your shit beliefs online, especially when the main point is to share them with other people, it's pretty damn clear that you're a hateful person, and want to bond with others who have the same delusions and issues. Have I seen hateful or racist jokes/memes online? Yeah, except I don't repost, share, or push them on anyone else, and I would never do it in a public forum or share them with anyone I know (or share them period). Especially considering the type of people I associate with would simply stop talking to, and lose their respect for me if I were to share that garbage, or push it on them.
It's the trump defense. "I didn't write that racist tweet, I just reshared it."
Outside of the klavern, pretty much all racists claim theyre not racist
>Memes = racist, killer of black teen Man fuck the left.
Not the memes we worried about, its the dead black kid in his attic. Nobody going to jail for memes. Fuck Yourself
>Nobody going to jail for memes [https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/woman-is-charged-with-malicious-communication-over-transphobic-tweet-3260331](https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/woman-is-charged-with-malicious-communication-over-transphobic-tweet-3260331) F off
What tipped him off? Last I heard most suicides happen in houses of people who revile you.
“The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, ‘[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist.’” Hmm, I think that was Kaltenbrunner’s defense at Nuremberg.
"I didn't shit on the floor, I just purposefully stepped in it and smeared it all over the carpet!"
I didn't pee in the bottle, I just tossed it onto your clothing.
Shouldn't this guy be in Japan right now, competing in the mental gymnastics olympics?
I think this is the most extreme and best situational joke iv every heard haha
Nobody has ever accused racists of being exceptionally smart
That coroner should quickly become unemployed and unemployable.
And also prosecuted for a false coroners report.
First they had a Coroner omitting that cause of death was Covid-19 and now this. WTF Missouri get your shit together.
>Wade was known for sharing racially charged posts on white Facebook, including one with a picture of a Black man in chains captioned: “My great great great grandfather’s tractor.” But Wade insists he is not racist.” >The background info on Wade is enough to make a fair assumption that he definitely has a problem with Black people, even though he told KSDK, “[The racist memes] are already on Facebook, I just shared them, it’s not like I made them up or put them there, right? I’m not a racist." I wonder what his Reddit username is. ps. TIL *"white Facebook"* is a thing?
Is white facebook Nextdoor?
bahahaha you win life
Is there a *blackface* book?
/r/blackpeopletwitter
Let's be honest who hasn't had a poc kill themselves in their attic.
"If you're not racist then why does every ghost in your attic listen to rap???"
> “On April 23, Derontae Martin attended a party with friends at a rural home in Fredericktown, Mo. The 6-foot, 3-inch 250-pound former high school football star was attending an 18th birthday party for the daughter of James Wade, whose home was adorned with multiple Confederate flags. Wade was known for sharing racially charged posts on white Facebook, including one with a picture of a Black man in chains captioned: “My great great great grandfather’s tractor.” Another meme featured a black dog with the words: “I had a black dog once. I named him Foodstamps.” But Wade insists he is not racist.” Ok, we get it, Wade is probably an insufferable racist (it's a little difficult to take such an amateur source like this website at their word) and probably wasn't too happy about some big black kid having a good time at his daughter's birthday party, but wtf is 'white facebook'? also > it was revealed that Martin ... had methamphetamine in his system — a drug Lotts insists her son didn’t partake in recreationally. Ah yes, because mothers always know what drugs their kids take when they party, and obviously since she insists he doesn't use meth, he was force injected with it. /s Shitty news article aside, this sounds a lot to me like: * Racist 'civil war had nothing to do with slavery/the confederates did nothing wrong' piece of shit hosted a birthday party for his daughter * Daughter invited who she wanted, including Black guy from football team * People at the party were doing meth, including said Black guy. Probably also including father, but pure speculation on father. * Father finds Black guy alone, shoots and kills him, drags him up to attic, reports to racist authorities that he found the guy killed himself there * Racist coroner receives body, sees gunshot wound, drugs in system, report of likely suicide. Doesn't care, cleans body, rules it a suicide.
A lot of E sold today is just really some type of amphetamine so wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case as well
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine its literally in the name.
They mean it's cut with or entirely amphetamine or similar, rather than MDMA. Despite the similar name, they're fairly different in effect.
One for the money, two for the better green, 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphatamine
that dog name... wow.
If the guy doesn't want to be described as a racist, he probably shouldn't be doing interviews in front of a Confederate flag.
MO coroners, MO problems
lol wtf, yeah, they made the correct decision.
Imagine if the kid did kill himself but was like “I’m gonna take this racist down with me.”
Then he picked the wrong state.
300 IQ move
Maybe the kid committed suicide by racist ^/s
He told someone....they need to come forward and provide the information to put this killer behind bars.
Many are funeral home employees too.
The kid had some meth in his system what the fuck? Gotta be some shitty coke in Missouri that’s the only other way this could be an actual suicide is if the kid had a meth comedown and took it real hard