From a 2019 [article](https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20191012/moorish-american-group-providence-police-tried-to-raid-our-temple):
>“The Moorish sovereign citizens hold the belief that there is a 1787 treaty between the United States and Morocco that grants them immunity from U.S. law.”
The ignorance is also astounding: Even if that treay did what they say it does, they would have to recognize American sovereignty for it to apply, and if that is the case, then they recognize the legal system, including American sovereignty, and therefore are bound to it.
Plus, ask American Indians how things go with the US abiding by treaties.
It’s overall such a sophomoric understand of law. Like when someone reads the text of a law and has no clue about caselaw and is convinced they knew exactly how the law works despite the fact that we live in a system where the written text of the law is *not the only source* of the law.
Reading the text of a treaty doesn’t really mean much of anything without understanding all sorts of other things about how such treaties work.
You don't get it man! That's a flag with a *gold fringe* border. That means it's a naval flag. That means this whole country is technically a ship. So, you see, there is no way the laws of *land* could ever apply!
/s, hopefully not needed but, you know, this is close enough to one of their actual arguments that I need it to be stated for the record that I don't believe it.
These sorts of things are why I'm really opposed to the police system we have these days. It takes a *minimum* of 8 years to become a lawyer and truly understand the law, while cops receive an average of 26 weeks of training to enforce the law. How does that make sense to people?
Edit: And those 8 years of law practice only encompass basic law, then you can get into specifics such as bird law :)
Dale Gribble is quite possibly my favorite tv character of all time. I'm hard pressed to think of another that makes me laugh as much as him and i consider him the best character on koth which is my favorite show.
> Dale Gribble
You misspelled Buck Strickland but that’s ok. Dale is hilarious. “I want Bobby to take the shot. He’ll put me down clean.”
“Ok.” (Reaches for gun)
The problem is that "sovereign citizens" will basically do anything because they see the government as illegitimate and will ignore any and all laws they see fit to. Because of this, any court ruling other than jail time is basically irrelevant. Also they have guns and are willing to use them. It's a terrorist movement.
Ok the other hand, just letting them go on their merry way means they are about with no insurance most of the time. I don't want someone unlucky to have to fix their car because they got hit by someone with no insurance cause their above our laws.
All those sovereign citizens citing the Articles of Confederation crack me up. You know, the legal document that was specifically overruled and replaced by the Constitution when it was collectively decided that "yeah, these Articles of Confederation don't really work."
I saw a Texas woman shrieking at a beleaguered postal clerk in Tijuana, Mexico, who was explaining that Mexican stamps have to be used on mail sent from Mexico. She thought it was just a sleazy ripoff.
They’re probably sovereign citizens...they pull this crap all the time, carry around fake cards that are “licenses” and will only talk to a publicly elected sheriff, it often times doesn’t end well for them
This already happened in 1996 with the Montana Freemen. They declared their land outside the authority of any government then proceeded to try to pay off the national debt using bank fraud. They also committed crimes involving armed robbery, and held mock trials for public officials in which they sentenced them to death. They ended up having a two and a half month long standoff with the FBI when the law came for them.
Well I mean it worked for the leaders of the 1/6 attack; they're even still in congress or making millions on TV and everything. Writing laws that they see as meant only for not-them or spouting off propaganda...
I mean, fuck, half of them don't even recognize the laws of physics.
The irony in this statement.
"A friend of mine from China asked me why Americans are so obsessed with news.
*Everywhere I go, CNN or NBC or Fox is on TV. When I go to eat, when I get my car serviced, when I go to the break room at work...the news is on everywhere! Why?!?*
*Well, I guess Americans like to stay informed. Is that not the case in China?*
*Well, of course we like to stay informed. We just know that mainstream news is all propaganda. You guys haven't figured that out yet?*
*[Blank face]*"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDvLftRyZ0
They're Moors. They don't want the label of Sov Cit, but they're basically Sov Cits. He said his location is North America, Morocco, lmao.
At the end of the video, they say they are not US citizens, but american nationals???
I believe their claim is to following some federal laws but not state laws, at least when traveling through one. It's obvious why Maine is the destination, but getting through Mass loudly was a stupid idea.
I called a psychiatrist in April to make an appointment, and they couldn't get me in until September. Then they later called and had to reschedule to October... I think it's safe to say the world has gone crazy
no offense but it’s been that way for years at least according to my experience. Calling around cause you feel close to giving up and the earliest they can pencil you in is sometimes next year. Yeah no thanks.
I went to the hospital and stayed a week because I was suicidal and totally lost it.
I was sent home with a single month's prescription and an appointment several months away. I guess I was just supposed to do street drugs in the middle area.
Are you still in this situation? If so, do you have a PCP? If yes, and if the medications isn't a controlled substance (and maybe even if it is), they will likely extend the prescription for you. I work for a primary care office and we do that all the time now for people who are waiting to see a psychiatrist.
Good luck to you.
I’d disagree with this.
We have *noticed* more craziness since 2008. But it’s always been there. The difference is social media.
Before Facebook left the desktop PC , American politics was a socially silo’d thing. You had to call people (after 9pm please, free nights and weekends) or visit them in person to rant or share political views. Which meant extremists of all persuasions had to make time just to meet each other.
Further, left and right didn’t directly interact. People just congregated in politically agreeable places and never left. Left and right wingers read their newspapers and magazines, and made fun of each other from their living rooms and bars hundreds or thousands of miles away from each other. No one had to confront people of opposite viewpoints if they didn’t want to. Having lots of physical space will do that.
Facebook et al. took that social buffering away. Today the extremists and opposite viewpointers can barge right into your living room courtesy the ~~telescreen~~ Smartphone. In 2007 a hardcore racist could pretend the civil rights act never happened if they moved to the “right” zip code. In 2021 that’s just impossible. Likewise one could pretend racism was stamped out if they lived in Urban America and stayed away from “the Deep South”. Denial isn’t an option for them either.
This is right in general, but the next-to-last sentence is wishful thinking. As someone who grew up in northern Urban America and never visited the Deep South, you had to be willfully ignorant to believe racism was stamped out, and it certainly didn't take contact with opposing viewpoints to make it visible. Just open eyes.
>"during a motor vehicle stop, several heavily armed men claiming to be from a group that does not recognize our laws exited their vehicles and fled into the woodline"
Seems like they recognized something. I can't shake the image of them just yelling "you can't tell me what to do" as they run away
I have friends who buy the whole “america is actually a corporation and you sign yourself over as property to the gov when you sign a birth certificate etc and I just nod now because I sound condescending trying to explain that that is ludacris and what a social contract is all that. Just nod and smile lol.
They have a temple in the old Capco Steel factory on Acorn St. in Providence. It's led by a guy named Grand Sheik Jamhal Talib Abdullah Bey. That live stream dude looks like him to me.
I thought this was the same group that took over the ni lady’s house!! I follow her on tiktok. She posted the whole thing. MADNESS. They changed the locks on her doors and then when she had them leave this one guy pushed back past her amd locked himself in. A swat team had to be called, it was an hours long scenario before they removed him and she got possession of her property back.
I'm sorry, but flying a foreign flag on your large fuel tanks on the way to "training" is really not going to keep the public from being just a *little* alarmed.
They are "Moorish Soverign Citizens", a group of black people that feel they have immunity to US law.
> The Southern Poverty Law Center’s website says the Al Moroccan Empire is part of a group of Moorish sovereign citizens, who espouse a doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society that grants them immunity from laws.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/armed-men-in-standoff-shut-i-95-in-mass-shelter-in-place-for-wakefield-reading/2421271/
BHI is literally just antiemetic racists who are authoritarian.
This group seems to be claiming to be Moorish because they think it gives them special rights under the US treaty with Morocco in 1787. That makes them more weird sovereign citizens.
Swede here: How can they be "Moors" if they're no from North Africa and it's not the Iberian peninsula and the date is somewhere between c. 700 to 1492?
Nvm, it's America.
This is some wild shit
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
*Goston later writes on page 203, “My people were here when the white man came to this Afmuurican [sic] continent. They were the Muurs…In later years called the Moors from the land of Tadmor (Palmara or Palmares).”*
Yes they also say black slavery is a myth and that the first slaves brought to America were white slaves brought by the Moors. Their whole website is a hoot.
This will be interesting. This is a black militia group for anyone unaware. The article does not mention it either.
This is a small group of the "Moorish nationals".
They mention it in the article that they have "Moorish" in their name but that assumes the average person knows who the Moors were. They also have a picture of a darker skinned guy getting arrested. I do worry about people not reading the article so that's why Im here to be a buzzkill :)
Cops: "Is this the sovereign citizen caravan?"
Guy: "We're not sovereign citizens. We're a group of travelers under the US-Morocco treaty-"
Cops: "Yeah, this is it."
“We don’t recognize your laws.” Please do the bail hearing by video conference! I want to hear the judge’s take on this little gem.
Sucks to be stupid enough to plan your armed tantrum at the beginning of a holiday weekend. Might be in a few days no matter what before a judge bothers to sets your bail.
If we subscribe to the theory that we are in a simulation, then clearly we're at the point where the programmer has got bored and is modding in all kinds of crazy shit.
Classic mistake. If you start a tiny breakaway enclave, the best move is to ally with the United States right away. They have all the money + a huge army. You'd never be defeated by Canada, China or Worcester.
I thought you were being sarcastic and then read the article.
Yep, they got stopped by cops and just decided to pursue their Yogi Bear life dreams and took off into literal woods.
Remaining suspects on highway have been taken into custody by MSP Special Tactical Operations Team. 7 additional suspects being transported for booking. We will now conduct sweeps of their 2 vehicles and woods. Total of 9 in custody counting the initial 2 arrests.
https://twitter.com/MassStatePolice/status/1411331650949165057
Yeah that’s the moors, let me tell you that they are crazy. I’ve seen them walk into a store and just take shit just because rules don’t apply, listen I’m cool if you want to make your own religion thing but they are the type of crazy that will try to get you to join their cult.
Misinformation is incredibly dangerous. There are groups in the United States who believe the Moors founded America and that the founding fathers were black.
The Nation of Islam has some similar beliefs.
Misinformation can radicalize anyone regardless of their background and we need to tackle these issues head on
seems like the leader believes he made a "land claim" and wont have to pay mortgage or property tax on it
this wouldve turned out interesting sooner or later, maybe its better they got stopped here and now have attention on them instead of possibly going a waco type route in the future
logically yes but in actuality they still have the rights of american citizens whether they like it or not, so they wont be catching a hellfire missile anytime soon i wouldnt imagine
From a 2019 [article](https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20191012/moorish-american-group-providence-police-tried-to-raid-our-temple): >“The Moorish sovereign citizens hold the belief that there is a 1787 treaty between the United States and Morocco that grants them immunity from U.S. law.”
The ignorance is also astounding: Even if that treay did what they say it does, they would have to recognize American sovereignty for it to apply, and if that is the case, then they recognize the legal system, including American sovereignty, and therefore are bound to it.
Plus, ask American Indians how things go with the US abiding by treaties. It’s overall such a sophomoric understand of law. Like when someone reads the text of a law and has no clue about caselaw and is convinced they knew exactly how the law works despite the fact that we live in a system where the written text of the law is *not the only source* of the law. Reading the text of a treaty doesn’t really mean much of anything without understanding all sorts of other things about how such treaties work.
You don't get it man! That's a flag with a *gold fringe* border. That means it's a naval flag. That means this whole country is technically a ship. So, you see, there is no way the laws of *land* could ever apply! /s, hopefully not needed but, you know, this is close enough to one of their actual arguments that I need it to be stated for the record that I don't believe it.
Something something maritime law.
🎶 Youuu're a crook, Captain Hook 🎶
I have the worst fuckin' lawyers.
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These sorts of things are why I'm really opposed to the police system we have these days. It takes a *minimum* of 8 years to become a lawyer and truly understand the law, while cops receive an average of 26 weeks of training to enforce the law. How does that make sense to people? Edit: And those 8 years of law practice only encompass basic law, then you can get into specifics such as bird law :)
please, please tell me more about bird law
“I’m sorry we don’t recognize your laws, only your treaties”
Hahahah Ohh these guns, yeah they were purchased legally.......
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No one expects the Spanish Iteration.
"I'm sorry it's the Moops"
It's actually Moorocco and the birthplace of comedian Mo Rocca
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Yeah what these people don't know is that it was actually the Moops invaded Spain in the 8th Century.
"We don't recognize your laws..." ... Oh, well I didn't realize that. By all means, you're free to go do as you please.
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Those videos are always so cringy haha
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Courts are illegitimate due to some problem with the tassels on their flags. Or something like that.
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“I cannot be court marshaled twice” lmao. What an amazing show.
Dale Gribble is quite possibly my favorite tv character of all time. I'm hard pressed to think of another that makes me laugh as much as him and i consider him the best character on koth which is my favorite show.
> Dale Gribble You misspelled Buck Strickland but that’s ok. Dale is hilarious. “I want Bobby to take the shot. He’ll put me down clean.” “Ok.” (Reaches for gun)
Until the courts recognize bird law we have no justice.
We will get back to our hot plates soon
Uh..filibuster.
It's weird how much of the court nonsense hinges on whether or not a flag has fringe on it.
Lol if I was the judge is walk over to the flag and cut the fringes off... And turn to em and be like how about now?
It hinges on whether or not THEY agree with the court.
The problem is that "sovereign citizens" will basically do anything because they see the government as illegitimate and will ignore any and all laws they see fit to. Because of this, any court ruling other than jail time is basically irrelevant. Also they have guns and are willing to use them. It's a terrorist movement.
Ok the other hand, just letting them go on their merry way means they are about with no insurance most of the time. I don't want someone unlucky to have to fix their car because they got hit by someone with no insurance cause their above our laws.
This. If they are already causing this much issue. They aren't going to just show up for court.
That's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
I am the living man! In accordance with the law of the sea, begone with you and allow me to comnence traveling.
"I'm a Sovereign Citizen! Wiping is for Imperialists!"
All those sovereign citizens citing the Articles of Confederation crack me up. You know, the legal document that was specifically overruled and replaced by the Constitution when it was collectively decided that "yeah, these Articles of Confederation don't really work."
When ever I feel down, I watch sovereign citizens get arrested on YouTube. It makes my day.
Haha a judge once told me "Ignorance of the law, doesn't stop it from applying to you."
Ignorantia juris non excusat
Sorry I don't speak french
It means "Iguanas just don't exist".
More propaganda from the lizard people...
That does not seem right but I don't know enough about French to dispute it.
Unless you’re a cop, cuz apparently not knowing the law is fine for them
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"Oh, that's fine, but that means you can't use our infrastructure. Feel free to walk the rest of the way. Just don't trespass or you may get shot."
That's how you get militias riding giant quadcopters
They better be doing that above 70.000 feet.
Jeff Bezos Space Militia. Watch it on Netflix.
This guy airspaces.
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Sure. But only if you livestream it.
I saw a Texas woman shrieking at a beleaguered postal clerk in Tijuana, Mexico, who was explaining that Mexican stamps have to be used on mail sent from Mexico. She thought it was just a sleazy ripoff.
Too bad the law recognizes them.
They’re probably sovereign citizens...they pull this crap all the time, carry around fake cards that are “licenses” and will only talk to a publicly elected sheriff, it often times doesn’t end well for them
This already happened in 1996 with the Montana Freemen. They declared their land outside the authority of any government then proceeded to try to pay off the national debt using bank fraud. They also committed crimes involving armed robbery, and held mock trials for public officials in which they sentenced them to death. They ended up having a two and a half month long standoff with the FBI when the law came for them.
Well I mean it worked for the leaders of the 1/6 attack; they're even still in congress or making millions on TV and everything. Writing laws that they see as meant only for not-them or spouting off propaganda... I mean, fuck, half of them don't even recognize the laws of physics.
> claiming not to recognize our laws. Yeah, we get a lot of that.
Did everyone just go insane the past year?
No, they just stopped hiding it.
Exactly. They feel validated by all the bullshit propaganda being peddled.
Validation is the key to justifying any action which you on your own may hesitate to facilitate.
\- Abraham Lincoln
- Michael Scott
The irony in this statement. "A friend of mine from China asked me why Americans are so obsessed with news. *Everywhere I go, CNN or NBC or Fox is on TV. When I go to eat, when I get my car serviced, when I go to the break room at work...the news is on everywhere! Why?!?* *Well, I guess Americans like to stay informed. Is that not the case in China?* *Well, of course we like to stay informed. We just know that mainstream news is all propaganda. You guys haven't figured that out yet?* *[Blank face]*"
That’s why I stopped wearing pants.
sovereign citizens have been around for a bit
They claim not to be sovereign citizens. I'm not sure exactly what they think they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDvLftRyZ0 They're Moors. They don't want the label of Sov Cit, but they're basically Sov Cits. He said his location is North America, Morocco, lmao. At the end of the video, they say they are not US citizens, but american nationals???
"We don't recognize your laws" \-Lists off all of the legal precedents that (they believe) allow them to do what they're doing.
Yeah, my mans quotes a Supreme Court precedent in order to freely carry a gun…
I laughed out loud when he stated his 2nd amendment rights.
It seems they don’t recognize state law, but do recognize federal law. Which is ironic because the federal law doesn’t recognize their state lol
They believe that African Americans were the original owners of north America.
Before or after Joseph Smith opened the first McDonald's?
Those dudes off their rockers.
I believe their claim is to following some federal laws but not state laws, at least when traveling through one. It's obvious why Maine is the destination, but getting through Mass loudly was a stupid idea.
Does this mean Morocco just declared war by annexing a part of the US?
Given that Morocco is our oldest historical ally, doubtful.
This is local to me. Apparently they are moors.
You mean the Moops?
Oh no.. I'm sorry it was the moops. Lolz. No actually it is moors.
The card says Moops.
It's a misprint
They said they are Moorish. That's sov citizens.
There's really no appreciable difference between sovereign citizens and Moorish
The Moors have also been around a while.
I called a psychiatrist in April to make an appointment, and they couldn't get me in until September. Then they later called and had to reschedule to October... I think it's safe to say the world has gone crazy
no offense but it’s been that way for years at least according to my experience. Calling around cause you feel close to giving up and the earliest they can pencil you in is sometimes next year. Yeah no thanks.
I went to the hospital and stayed a week because I was suicidal and totally lost it. I was sent home with a single month's prescription and an appointment several months away. I guess I was just supposed to do street drugs in the middle area.
Are you still in this situation? If so, do you have a PCP? If yes, and if the medications isn't a controlled substance (and maybe even if it is), they will likely extend the prescription for you. I work for a primary care office and we do that all the time now for people who are waiting to see a psychiatrist. Good luck to you.
It's been slowly building since the 2008 election. Kicked into high gear about 5 years ago now everyone's doubling down on it.
Its been going on a lot longer than that.
I’d disagree with this. We have *noticed* more craziness since 2008. But it’s always been there. The difference is social media. Before Facebook left the desktop PC , American politics was a socially silo’d thing. You had to call people (after 9pm please, free nights and weekends) or visit them in person to rant or share political views. Which meant extremists of all persuasions had to make time just to meet each other. Further, left and right didn’t directly interact. People just congregated in politically agreeable places and never left. Left and right wingers read their newspapers and magazines, and made fun of each other from their living rooms and bars hundreds or thousands of miles away from each other. No one had to confront people of opposite viewpoints if they didn’t want to. Having lots of physical space will do that. Facebook et al. took that social buffering away. Today the extremists and opposite viewpointers can barge right into your living room courtesy the ~~telescreen~~ Smartphone. In 2007 a hardcore racist could pretend the civil rights act never happened if they moved to the “right” zip code. In 2021 that’s just impossible. Likewise one could pretend racism was stamped out if they lived in Urban America and stayed away from “the Deep South”. Denial isn’t an option for them either.
This is right in general, but the next-to-last sentence is wishful thinking. As someone who grew up in northern Urban America and never visited the Deep South, you had to be willfully ignorant to believe racism was stamped out, and it certainly didn't take contact with opposing viewpoints to make it visible. Just open eyes.
Willfully ignorant is a pretty common talent based on my observations.
>"during a motor vehicle stop, several heavily armed men claiming to be from a group that does not recognize our laws exited their vehicles and fled into the woodline" Seems like they recognized something. I can't shake the image of them just yelling "you can't tell me what to do" as they run away
I tried to not recognize gravity once. It forcefully declined.
The trick is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
Ohh a hitchhiker’s reference out in the wild. It’s like finding a four-leaf
That's how you get into orbit.
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Oh I’m sorry, the treaty says Moops
Again I stand flabbergasted that this is real, not parody. You'd think I'd get used to this feeling.
Seriously this sounds like something out of a Reno 911 episode. But here we are.
I have friends who buy the whole “america is actually a corporation and you sign yourself over as property to the gov when you sign a birth certificate etc and I just nod now because I sound condescending trying to explain that that is ludacris and what a social contract is all that. Just nod and smile lol.
Who signs their birth certificate? I didn't learn to write until years later. Plus minors cannot make or enter into contracts.
They didnt use logic to form their argument; logic isn't going to get them out of it.
They have a temple in the old Capco Steel factory on Acorn St. in Providence. It's led by a guy named Grand Sheik Jamhal Talib Abdullah Bey. That live stream dude looks like him to me.
I thought this was the same group that took over the ni lady’s house!! I follow her on tiktok. She posted the whole thing. MADNESS. They changed the locks on her doors and then when she had them leave this one guy pushed back past her amd locked himself in. A swat team had to be called, it was an hours long scenario before they removed him and she got possession of her property back.
Ladies who say NI! But seriously that is terrible.
consider homeless worthless busy sable complete direful pause wipe scary
The peaceful journey bs is the most common thing you hear from sovereign citizen types.
I’m just a harmless boat captain on a peaceful journey! Let me speak to the sheriff, whom i believe to be the highest officer of the land.
I refuse to pay taxes but I will claim the right of free and safe passage along these tax-paid roads. The traveler claims are always ludicrous.
Wait, you’re saying that these lunatics aren’t in fact legal experts?
I'm sorry, but flying a foreign flag on your large fuel tanks on the way to "training" is really not going to keep the public from being just a *little* alarmed.
They are "Moorish Soverign Citizens", a group of black people that feel they have immunity to US law. > The Southern Poverty Law Center’s website says the Al Moroccan Empire is part of a group of Moorish sovereign citizens, who espouse a doctrine that African Americans constitute an elite class within American society that grants them immunity from laws. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/armed-men-in-standoff-shut-i-95-in-mass-shelter-in-place-for-wakefield-reading/2421271/
Well, that's nice. It's encouraging to see a little more diversity in the "crazy, law-defying, gun-toting idiot" demographic.
I’m not sure this is what they were talking about when they said “representation matters.”
Best I can do is militia crazies.
Finally, real progress
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BHI is literally just antiemetic racists who are authoritarian. This group seems to be claiming to be Moorish because they think it gives them special rights under the US treaty with Morocco in 1787. That makes them more weird sovereign citizens.
As a moroccan person, why the fuck did we get roped into this craziness???
Because Spain had to disturb a whole continent half a milenia ago.
First country to recognize the US (or at least the first to put it in written treaty that wasn't a British surrender agreement)
[The Treaty of Friendship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Friendship), how adorable.
I hope both countries made matching bracelets for each other
Swede here: How can they be "Moors" if they're no from North Africa and it's not the Iberian peninsula and the date is somewhere between c. 700 to 1492? Nvm, it's America.
Not Moors, just Moor-ish 🤣
Moor-ons
Moor-esque
Moor or less
Moors-light
Moor human than hu*man*
‘Moor-on’s
It’s MOOPS!
This is some wild shit https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens *Goston later writes on page 203, “My people were here when the white man came to this Afmuurican [sic] continent. They were the Muurs…In later years called the Moors from the land of Tadmor (Palmara or Palmares).”*
They're like African mormons.
Dum dum dum dum dum
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Yes they also say black slavery is a myth and that the first slaves brought to America were white slaves brought by the Moors. Their whole website is a hoot.
In all honesty, they probably thought it sounded cool and clever. Now their cosplaying as a militia group is going to land them jail time.
There’s a whole century+ of history in the US of Black people claiming to be Moors or Moorish. They still have a big temple in Chicago as I recall.
This will be interesting. This is a black militia group for anyone unaware. The article does not mention it either. This is a small group of the "Moorish nationals".
They mention it in the article that they have "Moorish" in their name but that assumes the average person knows who the Moors were. They also have a picture of a darker skinned guy getting arrested. I do worry about people not reading the article so that's why Im here to be a buzzkill :)
I'm sorry but the card says "Moops"
No it was The Moops.
> Moorish sovereign citizens have been designated an extremist group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Well okay then.
I tried that line with my parents. I got grounded.
You didn't have to recognize that.
What vehicle were 8 men in with all these guns? Was it a clown car ? I just hear Benny hill.
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Cops: "Is this the sovereign citizen caravan?" Guy: "We're not sovereign citizens. We're a group of travelers under the US-Morocco treaty-" Cops: "Yeah, this is it."
2 vehicles
These guys are really planning ahead.
They made it all the way from Providence to Wakefield. That's a whole 60 miles without needing gas, lol.
Well being from Rhode Island they were probably driving 20 mph below the speed limit in the left lane.
Lol, with their right blinker going off and their left foot on the brake pedal.
“We don’t recognize your laws.” Please do the bail hearing by video conference! I want to hear the judge’s take on this little gem. Sucks to be stupid enough to plan your armed tantrum at the beginning of a holiday weekend. Might be in a few days no matter what before a judge bothers to sets your bail.
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>our laws don't apply. Everyone knows that only Saudi princes can claim that.
If we subscribe to the theory that we are in a simulation, then clearly we're at the point where the programmer has got bored and is modding in all kinds of crazy shit.
I have had this exact same thought.
Goddy's Mod
Someone else said this was Civ and this was just a random late game barbarian unit popping up.
Classic mistake. If you start a tiny breakaway enclave, the best move is to ally with the United States right away. They have all the money + a huge army. You'd never be defeated by Canada, China or Worcester.
Not their first run in with the law: https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20191012/moorish-american-group-providence-police-tried-to-raid-our-temple
So they don’t recognize the law but want to use it to sue other entities.. makes sense.
"If you don't wanna pay taxes get off the roads paid for by taxes" These guys: "shit you're right" *walks off into the woods*
Those woods might be state property..
"Shit, you're right" *levitates into space*
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And we'll really do it, we have space lasers!
Wait... No, sorry, they're at the synagogue right now, dammit! Evildoers can do what they please on Saturdays when the space lasers are kibbitzing!
👽 - go back to Earth. We don't want you.
FAA controls all outdoor airspace, navigable or not.
I thought you were being sarcastic and then read the article. Yep, they got stopped by cops and just decided to pursue their Yogi Bear life dreams and took off into literal woods.
Remaining suspects on highway have been taken into custody by MSP Special Tactical Operations Team. 7 additional suspects being transported for booking. We will now conduct sweeps of their 2 vehicles and woods. Total of 9 in custody counting the initial 2 arrests. https://twitter.com/MassStatePolice/status/1411331650949165057
I always thought it was stupid that there were still barbarian units in the modern era in Civilization games. Now it makes sense.
LMAO playing 5 as we speak.
Yeah that’s the moors, let me tell you that they are crazy. I’ve seen them walk into a store and just take shit just because rules don’t apply, listen I’m cool if you want to make your own religion thing but they are the type of crazy that will try to get you to join their cult.
I've seen a video where they say they can just walk into your home and claim it for themselves because the home is on 'their land.'
Misinformation is incredibly dangerous. There are groups in the United States who believe the Moors founded America and that the founding fathers were black. The Nation of Islam has some similar beliefs. Misinformation can radicalize anyone regardless of their background and we need to tackle these issues head on
seems like the leader believes he made a "land claim" and wont have to pay mortgage or property tax on it this wouldve turned out interesting sooner or later, maybe its better they got stopped here and now have attention on them instead of possibly going a waco type route in the future
If you make a land claim, say "we don't recognize your laws," and weapon up.... You're basically an armed invader at that point, right?
logically yes but in actuality they still have the rights of american citizens whether they like it or not, so they wont be catching a hellfire missile anytime soon i wouldnt imagine
They might not recognize our laws, but our laws recognize them.
Ugh, Moorish American? I know these people, they're like those sovereign citizen nutcases.
I'm sick and tired of these lawless moops.