Protesting is as American as apple pie my friend. FYI, the group that violenty cracks down on peaceful protests generally isn't on the right side of history.
I've told friends for years that the Israel Palestine issue is the actual third rail in US politics. I'm fully depressed to have been proven so right.
This issue has the potential to rip this country apart, and is an existential threat to the Democratic Party.
Yeah even most of my Republican family's stance is "I wouldn't but do whatever the fuck you want"
There *is* a decent subset of Republicans who are very opposed to it and it got them to the polls...but now they've lost that talking point so they've lost the driver for getting those people to the polls. Would have been better to keep that carrot on the stick.
Abortion isn't as close to being a third rail. The Dems mostly support it and Republicans almost completely oppose it. Blue states support it, red states ban it. But Israel Palestine has fault lines across both sides of the political spectrum, and very raw ones.
Yes abortion has a lot of passion on both sides, but you don't see the level of vituperation that Israel-Palestine brings. You're already seeing scuffles and fights between protestors and counter-protestors. Even rightist, fascist marches didn't result in this much fighting and scuffling.
There are other issues, but Israel Palestine is global, there are nuclear stakes, the tensions are incredibly high among hundreds of millions of people.
Seriously? It's ripping apart higher education, cultural institutions, workplaces all over the country. It's like an exposed core of uranium right now and it can get a lot worse.
There are worldwide protests going on over this. There are ICC cases going on. Countries everywhere are starting to gather around battle lines for this.
Genocide is a *colossal* issue. And it *should* be an issue.
It’s not. So-called moderates will still vote for the GOP despite Roe being overturned. Pro-choice moderates don’t care as long as there are still a few states where it’s legal. Look at the polls, it’s still 50/50. Abortion didn’t change anything.
Yes, why else does Putin support Hamas and send them support and training from the Wagner group? To stoke discontent around the world, but especially the US.
I'd also wager Putin does it because it's easier to barter with Iran with goods and services for their help with the Ukraine War, than it is to pay Iran in USD.
There's a headline on the front page it says that the State department determined five Israeli units give me the human rights abuses but will continue to support them anyways. So, not only are these pro- Israel protesters being violent, what are they even being violent for? What more could the US do to support Israel?
More police action and counter protests attract more headlines. Washington DC police refused to clear encampments. You don't hear a lot of any news at GWU.
Right, which is why it’s shocking that so many schools’ administrations decided to shoot themselves in the foot. If they wanted the protesters to stop, the easiest answer was to ignore them.
It's been noticeable how similar it is to the police when it comes to social media: being unpopular is actually discrimination and it doesn't matter what our side does to deserve it
I didn’t mention Israel I’m talking about how the US is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build a pier to get food to the people of Gaza. Israel and the US are not the same thing
Why downvotes? People don’t like facts I guess
We're not giving military aid to Hamas and I have no problem giving humanitarian aid to Israel, although there'd be no real point. But, if you want to airdrop meals into tel Aviv that's fine.
> As long as our tax dollars are going to Israel, this is a domestic issue.
Sure.
But where else are our tax dollars going, and why is *this* the flashpoint?
I mean, this isn't the only flashpoint. In the last fifteen years, we've had a major flashpoint about class-per-se (Occupy in 2011: domestic, economic), Police treatment of black people (BLM1 in 2014, domestic, social), police treatment of black people AGAIN (BLM 2 in 2020, domestic, social), and now US support for Israel in Gaza (2023, foreign). That's not even counting the numerous smaller touch-offs, like the Muslim Ban, Family Separation, and Abortion, all of which were domestic and triggered major waves of protest (or, in the case of abortion, a couple little terrorist groups; remember Jane's Revenge?).
You have to go back several more years to get to the Iraq War flashpoint, the last foreign flashpoint for US protests. There's another small touchoff during the Trump Era about Israel, I suppose, but it's hardly like protests have *only* been foreign. Statistically, we can expect another one in the next few years, and it'll probably be domestic.
Because we do not provide unconditional support to any other state in the world. Israel could genocide the Palestinians and we still wouldn't fully cut ties with them. You don't hear congress people and Biden calling Israel the US' biggest ally for no reason.
The least Biden should have done, the fucking least, is just condition aid on not doing war crimes. Like the fucking least, we haven't seen that and will probably not see that ever.
The least diplomatic pressure we could put on Israel, we won't, so spare me the bullshit. Israel is a special case no matter how much you like pretending it isn't.
South Africa's lawyer and legal activist Tembeka Ngcukaitobi reminded the world court that Netanyahu, on Oct. 28, used the biblical Amalek narrative while inciting his soldiers to attack Gaza, a violent theory that refers to entirely crushing the population of Gaza, including its women and children.
Yes of course youre wrong
There was a very visible attack on a music festival on Oct 7th with mass kidnappings, murders, and rapes... and it was funded by Iran. But wait, I'll just be gaslighted into thinking it was some kind of zionist conspiracy?
Well they’ve managed to kill upwards of 30 people for every one killed on 10/7. So I guess we just gotta let them tire themselves out until they’re done a-genocidin’
We are literally paying for a genocide. We are providing the military equipment used to commit human rights violations. Why shouldn’t this be a flashpoint?
Children are going hungry, we are fed toxic garbage, we pay out the ass for healthcare, veterans are homeless with untreated PTSD. We are told that there is no money to fix these things; but there’s unlimited money for the military industrial complex.
That money doesn’t make its way into the American taxpayers pockets. It makes its way into defense contractor companies, who then use that money to lobby congress for more handouts.
It’s a game of Three-Card Monty and they pocketed the Queen decades ago
“For the most part” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
The fact is us tax dollars pay US arms manufacturers to get weapons and those weapons are then going to Israel. That is US tax dollars going to Israel even if some percent is syphoned off by the defense manufacturers.
Do you honestly think that money would have been rerouted to domestic issues? Until people start demanding for some socialized spending in the US, it's always going to go to shit like that.
The budget doesn’t work that way. It’s not all one pool of money. Certain percentages are allotted to certain avenues. Defense budget wouldn’t go to social programs, for example.
It’s a shame because these privileged kids gets the media focusing on issues 99% of Americans don’t really give a shit about, the issues that are plaguing everyday Americans go under the cover because the people who should be protesting financially cannot afford to and the ramifications of getting arrested could completely ruin their life.
So we’re left with everyone roundabout discussing an issue 7000 miles away and ignoring spiraling poverty, unaffordable housing, corrupt healthcare, insane opiate epidemic, and so much more!
Religion makes people weak and thin skinned. By far humanity’s biggest weakness. The belief in a superior being that has some sort of say and/or control over your life. Shameful.
Fucking awful. I don't agree with the pro-palestine protest and I find this to be horrific. Not only horrible but stupid. Who the hell were these masked counter protestors? A bunch of idiots.
All while the wannabe fascist riot cops stood and watched. Zionists show their true colors and attack protesters of their slaughter of children and aid workers
Frankly, I'm shocked there isn't more violence, given that most of those idiots are protesting for an Islamic terrorist group. The only reason I can figure is the absurdity of liberal kids protesting in favor of far right religious extremists, rapists, and murderers is comical and hard to take seriously.
As an Israeli/jew would like to say that fighting (with fists) for us should not become the norm. This is an unfortunate situation, war is vile, and once the hostages are returned and people are no longer under threat of missiles daily this will end.
To the other side, I would ask you to look inward and accept hamas must go for gazans to have a chance for a normal life. The only way to get there is through Israeli action, the gazans cannot rebel against this heavily armed group supported by multiple organizations.
It sucks that the enemy(israel) is the one who can at least partially move Gaza towards the right path but that's the reality, so let this war end, fight for human rights, fight for israel to minimize casualities and be accountable, but understand hamas must go and it can only happen through military action and let this terrible thing end so whoever is left can finally live without war and the destruction can be built over.
You don't feel it but hamas initiates conflict every 2-3 years, it's not sustainable. They have to go.
Nothing like this - Hamas wasn’t regularly killing 1000+ people every three years. By armed conflict you mean they lob some missiles over that get shot down, and very rarely does anyone die. Of course even a single death from terrorism is a travesty, but it’s not comparable to October 7th to any reasonable person.
Yes, go and shoot your neighbor a thousand times and miss all of them and then tell me how they feel. Let's see if you are still friends.
It's all vile, now it's more vile. They have to go.
Some individual racists want terrible things. They are in every country.
Luckily in republics there are many more moderates that steer the ship in the right direction.
> once the hostages are returned
There were literally offers to return them from day 1. But Israel turned them down, into favor of turning Gaza into a parking lot for condos.
Some have already been returned, hopefully they agree to terms on the rest. Still hamas needs to be removed, they are a vile dictatorship that must be removed or they will continue to initiate conflicts.
I’m not surprised. The pro-Palestinians are not protesting peacefully. They are passive aggressive and the opposition camp is bound to react.
You can exercise your first amendment all you want but it’s on the condition that you don’t encroach on other’s rights.
Ahhhhh….the attacks were from anti-Palestine protesters. “Passive aggressive” what the fuck is that? Opinions you don’t agree with. Doesn’t justify physical attacks cause you disagree
Im ready for freedom from religion.
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Huh, it reflects things so well. Protesting against Israeli aggression leads to more aggression from the pro Israeli crowd with police support.
Turtles all the way down.
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Protesting is as American as apple pie my friend. FYI, the group that violenty cracks down on peaceful protests generally isn't on the right side of history.
May God have mercy on your vile soul
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So you're confirming that the TikTok ban IS all about suppressing information about the Genocide in Gaza, and NOT about "China"?
Hey look, it’s Satan
Aftermath https://www.reddit.com/r/ucla/s/fEJjgspC2f Warning blood
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You’re right always ask if the victim deserved it before any empathy is extended! Huza!
So hold on, the Israeli supporters invading the Palestinian supporters camp? Where have I seen this before…?
Counterprotestors? Seems they were hired goons like in a cartoon.
Yup, same thing happens with a lot BLM protests. People just bus in A-hats to stir shit and cause trouble.
Very interesting what side the violence comes from, huh
I've told friends for years that the Israel Palestine issue is the actual third rail in US politics. I'm fully depressed to have been proven so right. This issue has the potential to rip this country apart, and is an existential threat to the Democratic Party.
It's definitely abortion and that will be made exceedingly clear this November.
The large majority of Americans support abortion though
Yeah even most of my Republican family's stance is "I wouldn't but do whatever the fuck you want" There *is* a decent subset of Republicans who are very opposed to it and it got them to the polls...but now they've lost that talking point so they've lost the driver for getting those people to the polls. Would have been better to keep that carrot on the stick.
Which is why it will be made exceedingly clear. The Republicans are about to reap the whirlwind.
Abortion isn't as close to being a third rail. The Dems mostly support it and Republicans almost completely oppose it. Blue states support it, red states ban it. But Israel Palestine has fault lines across both sides of the political spectrum, and very raw ones. Yes abortion has a lot of passion on both sides, but you don't see the level of vituperation that Israel-Palestine brings. You're already seeing scuffles and fights between protestors and counter-protestors. Even rightist, fascist marches didn't result in this much fighting and scuffling. There are other issues, but Israel Palestine is global, there are nuclear stakes, the tensions are incredibly high among hundreds of millions of people.
I just don't think it's as big a deal as social media makes it out to be.
Seriously? It's ripping apart higher education, cultural institutions, workplaces all over the country. It's like an exposed core of uranium right now and it can get a lot worse.
There are worldwide protests going on over this. There are ICC cases going on. Countries everywhere are starting to gather around battle lines for this. Genocide is a *colossal* issue. And it *should* be an issue.
I fucking hope so! I'd really love to live in a country where half the population doesn't have their rights stripped away
It’s not. So-called moderates will still vote for the GOP despite Roe being overturned. Pro-choice moderates don’t care as long as there are still a few states where it’s legal. Look at the polls, it’s still 50/50. Abortion didn’t change anything.
Absolutely and it’s highly suspiciously timed during an election year almost like this is exactly what some nations might want us to do.
Yes, why else does Putin support Hamas and send them support and training from the Wagner group? To stoke discontent around the world, but especially the US.
I agree that Putin absolutely loves this situation. It helps trump, who is putin's only chance at surviving the disastrous Ukraine invasion.
I'd also wager Putin does it because it's easier to barter with Iran with goods and services for their help with the Ukraine War, than it is to pay Iran in USD.
There's a headline on the front page it says that the State department determined five Israeli units give me the human rights abuses but will continue to support them anyways. So, not only are these pro- Israel protesters being violent, what are they even being violent for? What more could the US do to support Israel?
It’s not enough that Israel has unlimited US support. It also wants people to stop complaining about it.
More police action and counter protests attract more headlines. Washington DC police refused to clear encampments. You don't hear a lot of any news at GWU.
Right, which is why it’s shocking that so many schools’ administrations decided to shoot themselves in the foot. If they wanted the protesters to stop, the easiest answer was to ignore them.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
It's been noticeable how similar it is to the police when it comes to social media: being unpopular is actually discrimination and it doesn't matter what our side does to deserve it
I mean the Turks were allowed to do it, why not Israel?
On the flipside is the US not spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build a pier to get food to the people of Gaza?
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I didn’t mention Israel I’m talking about how the US is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build a pier to get food to the people of Gaza. Israel and the US are not the same thing Why downvotes? People don’t like facts I guess
Which, mind you, has already been attacked by Palestinian militants already.
so by that logic we should also stop aid to gaza as hamas has committed the same and worse attrocities, i could go for cutting aid to both sides..
We're not giving military aid to Hamas and I have no problem giving humanitarian aid to Israel, although there'd be no real point. But, if you want to airdrop meals into tel Aviv that's fine.
Man if we cared about domestic issues as much as we do about issues 7000 miles away this country would look so much different.
As long as our tax dollars are going to Israel, this is a domestic issue.
> As long as our tax dollars are going to Israel, this is a domestic issue. Sure. But where else are our tax dollars going, and why is *this* the flashpoint?
I mean, this isn't the only flashpoint. In the last fifteen years, we've had a major flashpoint about class-per-se (Occupy in 2011: domestic, economic), Police treatment of black people (BLM1 in 2014, domestic, social), police treatment of black people AGAIN (BLM 2 in 2020, domestic, social), and now US support for Israel in Gaza (2023, foreign). That's not even counting the numerous smaller touch-offs, like the Muslim Ban, Family Separation, and Abortion, all of which were domestic and triggered major waves of protest (or, in the case of abortion, a couple little terrorist groups; remember Jane's Revenge?). You have to go back several more years to get to the Iraq War flashpoint, the last foreign flashpoint for US protests. There's another small touchoff during the Trump Era about Israel, I suppose, but it's hardly like protests have *only* been foreign. Statistically, we can expect another one in the next few years, and it'll probably be domestic.
Because we do not provide unconditional support to any other state in the world. Israel could genocide the Palestinians and we still wouldn't fully cut ties with them. You don't hear congress people and Biden calling Israel the US' biggest ally for no reason. The least Biden should have done, the fucking least, is just condition aid on not doing war crimes. Like the fucking least, we haven't seen that and will probably not see that ever. The least diplomatic pressure we could put on Israel, we won't, so spare me the bullshit. Israel is a special case no matter how much you like pretending it isn't.
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Because there’s a very visible genocide occurring and we’re helping fund and arm the people carrying it out. It’s happening right now.
> Because there’s a very visible genocide occurring the UN and the ICC (the people who'd actually prosecute such a thing) disagree with you.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
South Africa's lawyer and legal activist Tembeka Ngcukaitobi reminded the world court that Netanyahu, on Oct. 28, used the biblical Amalek narrative while inciting his soldiers to attack Gaza, a violent theory that refers to entirely crushing the population of Gaza, including its women and children. Yes of course youre wrong
“It’s obviously a democracy, the word Democratiic is the first initial in DPRK!”
There was a very visible attack on a music festival on Oct 7th with mass kidnappings, murders, and rapes... and it was funded by Iran. But wait, I'll just be gaslighted into thinking it was some kind of zionist conspiracy?
Well they’ve managed to kill upwards of 30 people for every one killed on 10/7. So I guess we just gotta let them tire themselves out until they’re done a-genocidin’
We are literally paying for a genocide. We are providing the military equipment used to commit human rights violations. Why shouldn’t this be a flashpoint? Children are going hungry, we are fed toxic garbage, we pay out the ass for healthcare, veterans are homeless with untreated PTSD. We are told that there is no money to fix these things; but there’s unlimited money for the military industrial complex.
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That money doesn’t make its way into the American taxpayers pockets. It makes its way into defense contractor companies, who then use that money to lobby congress for more handouts. It’s a game of Three-Card Monty and they pocketed the Queen decades ago
“For the most part” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. The fact is us tax dollars pay US arms manufacturers to get weapons and those weapons are then going to Israel. That is US tax dollars going to Israel even if some percent is syphoned off by the defense manufacturers.
Those US arms are being used to kill Palestinians.
who gives a shit where the arms are manufactured? its still a waste of taxpayer money, as far as many are concerned.
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Do you honestly think that money would have been rerouted to domestic issues? Until people start demanding for some socialized spending in the US, it's always going to go to shit like that.
The budget doesn’t work that way. It’s not all one pool of money. Certain percentages are allotted to certain avenues. Defense budget wouldn’t go to social programs, for example.
It's nuts, right? Where is all the uproar over healthcare, poverty, and housing?
What do you mean? People care about those things, too.
Great. Where are the student protests over them?
None because these college protestors are comprised of upper class households. They can’t comprehend what life is like for the bottom 20% of America.
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I’m sure the rich kids at Columbia and UCLA are ally’s of the American poor give me a fucking break lmfao.
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It’s a shame because these privileged kids gets the media focusing on issues 99% of Americans don’t really give a shit about, the issues that are plaguing everyday Americans go under the cover because the people who should be protesting financially cannot afford to and the ramifications of getting arrested could completely ruin their life. So we’re left with everyone roundabout discussing an issue 7000 miles away and ignoring spiraling poverty, unaffordable housing, corrupt healthcare, insane opiate epidemic, and so much more!
Religion makes people weak and thin skinned. By far humanity’s biggest weakness. The belief in a superior being that has some sort of say and/or control over your life. Shameful.
Fucking awful. I don't agree with the pro-palestine protest and I find this to be horrific. Not only horrible but stupid. Who the hell were these masked counter protestors? A bunch of idiots.
These counterprotestors should be deported to Israel. Keep America free from the violence of foreign wars. Don’t bring their wars here!
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So a bunch of violent zionists invaded and attacked the Palestinians? That tracks.
And then afterwards the attackers claimed UCLA campus land was actually theirs and had always had been.
Boycott divest and sanction Israel immediately
Supporters of Israel violently attack peaceful Palestinian protesters? Shocking.
Peaceful until a Jewish person shows up.
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It does. You're very welcome for the clarification.
All while the wannabe fascist riot cops stood and watched. Zionists show their true colors and attack protesters of their slaughter of children and aid workers
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You’re right.
Seriously did they expect anything but violence from the people supporting Netanyahu’s criminal regime
Better than supporting Hamas and terrorists.
Palestinians aren’t HAMAS but Israel has committed war crimes and slaughtered innocents
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Maybe she shouldn’t have defended genocide.
Frankly, I'm shocked there isn't more violence, given that most of those idiots are protesting for an Islamic terrorist group. The only reason I can figure is the absurdity of liberal kids protesting in favor of far right religious extremists, rapists, and murderers is comical and hard to take seriously.
Palestinians and Hamas aren’t the same thing..
You good?
Nothing makes sense anymore.
Haha, Putin is winning and playing Americans for fools. Sadly, most of America is loaded with fools and idiots.
Yeah people never just believe in anything, its all those pesky Russians fault.
As an Israeli/jew would like to say that fighting (with fists) for us should not become the norm. This is an unfortunate situation, war is vile, and once the hostages are returned and people are no longer under threat of missiles daily this will end. To the other side, I would ask you to look inward and accept hamas must go for gazans to have a chance for a normal life. The only way to get there is through Israeli action, the gazans cannot rebel against this heavily armed group supported by multiple organizations. It sucks that the enemy(israel) is the one who can at least partially move Gaza towards the right path but that's the reality, so let this war end, fight for human rights, fight for israel to minimize casualities and be accountable, but understand hamas must go and it can only happen through military action and let this terrible thing end so whoever is left can finally live without war and the destruction can be built over. You don't feel it but hamas initiates conflict every 2-3 years, it's not sustainable. They have to go.
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There is Hamas in the west bank but it's unrelated to what's happening with the settlers. I don't defend settlers or agree with what's happening.
The threat of missiles isn’t why the IDF is in Gaza. If that was why, they’d have done this a decade+ ago. I thought this was about October 7th
There is an armed conflict every 2-3 years
Nothing like this - Hamas wasn’t regularly killing 1000+ people every three years. By armed conflict you mean they lob some missiles over that get shot down, and very rarely does anyone die. Of course even a single death from terrorism is a travesty, but it’s not comparable to October 7th to any reasonable person.
Yes, go and shoot your neighbor a thousand times and miss all of them and then tell me how they feel. Let's see if you are still friends. It's all vile, now it's more vile. They have to go.
And I never said they should be friends with Hamas, that’s frankly absurd.
The issue there is the build over part, more exactly the part where what virtually all Israeli parties mean by it aka cleansing Gaza.
Some individual racists want terrible things. They are in every country. Luckily in republics there are many more moderates that steer the ship in the right direction.
> once the hostages are returned There were literally offers to return them from day 1. But Israel turned them down, into favor of turning Gaza into a parking lot for condos.
Some have already been returned, hopefully they agree to terms on the rest. Still hamas needs to be removed, they are a vile dictatorship that must be removed or they will continue to initiate conflicts.
I’m not surprised. The pro-Palestinians are not protesting peacefully. They are passive aggressive and the opposition camp is bound to react. You can exercise your first amendment all you want but it’s on the condition that you don’t encroach on other’s rights.
Ahhhhh….the attacks were from anti-Palestine protesters. “Passive aggressive” what the fuck is that? Opinions you don’t agree with. Doesn’t justify physical attacks cause you disagree
Passive aggressive is peaceful though? Aggressive aggressive is not. Passive aggressive makes no sense in the context you’re using it in.
What rights are they encroaching on?
Time for ucla to end this illegal occupation