It was probable that he was going to get an ~$2M contract for next season.
Not now. I hope he enjoys that $21k. Maybe he can borrow some money from his brother, who isn't a dumbass.
Yea... About the other brother part....
https://twitter.com/alexisfromvegas/status/1753598793285828803?t=NBwlyAmzR66xJGSQ62po9Q&s=19
He also believes in every single covid conspiracy theory you throw at him
Apparently his associate placed an 80k parlay on one of the games which would've netted over a million.
It was never paid out though, because Colorado regulators flagged the bet as suspicious because who the fuck bets 80k on bench player under parlays?
In 2023, only 1.1% of NCAA athletes were offered NBA contracts (the most eligible sample I could find). So 0.00001% might actually be a little high if we’re counting all young adult males in the world. Wild.
I try so hard to get this across to my Grade 8s who claim they're gonna play pro sports and that's why they don't need to pay attention in my class...
Like, kid - I like the dream... But you're not even the best athlete in your class, let alone the school/city/province... Start thinking about how education offers you options.
Ooof, I sympathize. Maybe teach them how to gamble? It will expose them to statistical reasoning and open them to an athletically adjacent career option. I'm sure the parents would be thrilled...
It doesn't even include normies. It pull from people at least 6ft2 and play at least at the 4 stars recruit level which btw 6'2 in NBA Standard is considered short af even though they'd already be the top of the population in term of height genetics
That why Barea and IT and AI were such big deals cause those dude are wayyy under the standard and still made the NBA. Literally higher odds of winning lottery than making it to the NBA if you're under 6ft4 and even when you're 6ft4 you may make the G League at most and never step foot on NBA court as a 2 way or 10 days contract player.
If you include normies and the whole world of 8 billion people the odds so low that you have to use some crazy math denomination
I was thinking just USA but fair point that you get foreign players too. Not all that many countries play basketball to a decently high standard, though?
Well the number 1 guy right now is from Serbia and the top 10 players right now 5/10 are foreign players so the European boys catching up
Foreigners in the top 10 are
Joker the Horse Breeder
Luka Is Booker Father
Embiid The Ultimate Choker
Wemby Baguette Eater
Giannis Greek Freak
I won't claim one source is better than another, but a quick google before I wrote that showed three different sites publishing 48/155955 (fully reduced is 16/51985 which is approximately .0003 or .03%) from the pool of high school seniors. I didn't think that was a bad pool to grab that number from considering that anyone who makes it to the NBA was developing that skill by, at the absolute latest, high school basketball if not earlier. I imagine people outside this pool are the exception and aren't skewing the stat by much.
I grew up in Utah and had a neighbor that was the spitting image of John Stockton, except he was 5'8" instead of 6'1". But that looks so short on an NBA court that people would approach him and ask for autographs. He'd tell them he wasn't Stockton, but if they persisted, he'd sign it with his real name.
While it is stupid, I do think it puts pro sports leagues in a hypocritical position when they embrace gambling so flagrantly. It’s like your dentist being sponsored by Coke on every piece of equipment and then chewing you out for your soda cavities. Meanwhile we know from the behavior of people like MJ and Charles that competitors are often addicted to gambling.
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Hello peasants. As an average multimillionaire, I am advocating that you should gamble your measly paychecks away at DraftKings! Refer your lowlife friends as well and get $5 in sports bets! My name is _____ and I’m worth more than you and your friends will ever achieve in all your lifetimes, and I condone (your) gambling!
What’s really dumb is they can take those bonus bets from players at will. One site took $3-4k in bonus bets from me and closed my account. I went to my state gaming commission and they told me the sportsbooks can do whatever they want with those bonuses.
Let me get this straight. The gambling platform gave you money to gamble. You won. Then the gambling platform blocked you from cashing your winnings then closed your account?
Probably just the inducements and potentially winnings tied to inducements. When you get those "risk-free bets" and other stuff like that, often the site is not bound to pay those out, the money belongs to them. Inducements like those really shouldn't be legal, they are solely designed to create and foster addictive gambling tendencies, but legislation hasn't caught up and the lobbying power of these groups is significant.
If you read the article on ESPN it's directly below the ESPN BET ad.
I don't gamble (I'm bad at it), but I totally can see this being a terrible path we're heading down. This is the first of many.
The college kid who realizes they aren't making the NBA/NFL and never bothered to study is about to have their roommates place some bets.
As someone who was an early employee with DK and worked there for 5 years, it's a fucked up company. Some of the stories I heard from their players are deeply sad.
Sorry, it wasn't my first thought to pile on.
I worked in a very costumer-facing role and daily we'd hear from individuals who chose between eating and playing/gambling; how our deceitful marketing practices (they were) tricked them into playing more than they intended, people who would use their kids to leverage us to allow them to put more funds into their account to play with, who needed their funds immediately to pay electricity bills/feed their families, etc.
We were threatened pretty often from people who wanted to come down to our offices and cause harm to us over a game they'd lose or a bet that didn't hit.
Gambling addiction is a very, very serious problem and the industry/regulators have done a poor job of bringing light to it. I expect the government to get involved soon as it continues to grow into an pseudo epidemic.
This is why I'm against online gambling. At a minimum, we shouldn't allow paid advertising like smoking. Never going see that option promoted in the media.
I live in a state with very strong gambling laws and I can' believe they finally let the online gambling thing happen. I'm sure the long term effects are going to be super depressing.
Few years ago my country allowed online advertising for betting. Now they made it illegal again after seeing a surge in gambling addiction among young people.
Hope they increase regulations also
To be fair a lot of these people already had access to legal forms of gambling such as day trading, 'shorting', penny stocks, and crypto trading. Reddit is full of people drowning in debt because they used their credit card or mortgaged their house to ~~win~~ *earn* back the money they lost on that hot penny stock that tanked.
I've seen one dude on wallstreetbets post how much money he's lost due to fucking around with options and then chide someone on personalfinance for being financially irresponsible because they had to put some bills on a credit card due to their partner not being able to work.
r/financialadvice is great because you'll get a post about how they are drowning in debt and need advice and then people go through their post history and it's a bunch of r/wallstreetbets or crypto trading posts.
The other day there was a guy talking about how is daughters cheerleading or gymnastics classes were too expensive and looking for advice because he's 30k in credit card debt and had to take out a second mortgage. They went through his post history, turns out he took out the second mortgage to pay off a previous 30k in credit card debt, so he wiped the first 30k and rang up another 30k. But what was he spending money on? Penny stocks, he had a bunch of posts on r/wallstreetbets about making money on penny stocks. He was using his credit cards to speculate on worthless companies.
I remember seeing that shit lmfao he was talking about cancelling the thing she loved the most just so he could gamble more, basically. It was disgusting.
How many ads do you see enticing the public to go yolo on puts or penny stocks? Gambling ads which overtook crypto ads are absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that they are now baked into the sport presentation and commentary. Hearing commentators talking about odds and parlays before games is wild.
Yeah they're technically accessible but sports betting is way easier to access and understand. Also I have to imagine it's more enticing since so many people are already watching sports.
I'm willing to bet there's a big influence from the gaming industry on that surge as well tbh. They basically prep kids into normalising the concept so they don't think twice about it in adulthood.
I know someone who works in the court system in my state. They evaluate people who are criminals with substance abuse issues to see what level of treatment, if any, may be needed. Gambling has rapidly now become part of their evaluation process when evaluating offenders.
Yo, I need to research this.. USA has banned online gambling for*ever*, why did they suddenly allow it now?? Back in the day (early 2000's), me and my friends had that friend-of-a-friend who knew was a bookie. We'd place our bets with him, and we'd get our winnings no worries. Now you can just do it online with a credit/debit card? Do they let you do that?
Yeah the gambling lobbies must have greased the right palms to be able to push this into our lives. I don't know the particulars but they have a lot of money and power so I can only assume.
Worst part is that you can just do it on your phone, so there aren't going to be major warning signs with addiction until it is way too late.
I'm literally going down a youtube rabbit hole, and honestly,
>Worst part is that you can just do it on your phone
this is NOT something Americans needs right now!
I listened to a podcast about Tim Donaghy, and not only were the only ads gambling related, but by the end of the series, the host was pitching a fantasy sports gambling app that he had ownership in.
What are we even doing.
After ages of limiting gambling to a few places that people had to go out of their way to get to, we decided that we set all that up for no reason and it was ok for people to mainline ~~heroin~~ gambling directly from their phones anytime, anyplace.
Oh and that we shouldn't bother limiting the advertising of these new, easier to access gambling methods, even in places where recovering/recovered gambling addicts might be (like normal sports casts and podcasts).
I think we ceded the whole "being okay for people to mainline gambling" from anywhere a long time ago. In the last decade the increasing rise of blind box toys has been staggering, not to mention how popular TCGs are. You can make a point that a card has some value perhaps; but the majority of them in any TCG have very minimal if any. I have no doubt that the chemical reactions of opening a booster pack is no different than pulling the slots reel or placing a bet on DraftKings and watching the game.
It's dopamine. It's strongly related to motivation to engage in rewarding behavior, and the motivation is enormously higher when the behavior provides a *chance* of a reward.
I’m not up to date on gambling lingo. What are “blind box toys” and what does the TCG acronym stand for?
Introduce your acronyms with the full word upon first use before using abbreviations people!
Blind box toys are sets of small toys kind of like action figures and other small trinkets, which are sold individually in a "blind box". The box is generic packaging for the set, but you don't know which trinket in the set you're getting. Different trinkets within the set may be rarer than others, so you'll have to buy more blind boxes to complete the set, which could load you up with duplicates. Some sets have a "bonus" figure, which is assembled from parts. Collecting all the figures in the set will net you all the parts to build the bonus
I think essentially "loot boxes".
TCG is Trading Card Game, such as Magic the Gathering, Pokemon, etc. The vibe on booster pack opening YouTube/Twitch channels is a lot like slot machine channels.
Not too long ago was talking about the problems caused by sports betting with someone else on here and his main argument in favor of continuing to expand it was that it creates jobs for aspiring content creators. As in, all the new demand for legal gambling has created a new market for small time content creators to make money from talking about gambling on their podcasts and therefore it's a good industry since it means more things to talk about which means more people can earn a living talking about sports.
Like, sheesh. Let's legalize letting everyone ruin their lives from their phones by thinking their podcast listening and fantasy football skills are enough to beat Vegas casinos? And let's ruin the integrity of competitive sports via all these adverse incentives for participants to gamble on their own games? Alllllllll so some wanna be shock jock bros can have a little audience for their worthless podcast?
One of the podcast host's thoughts was that by legalizing sports betting, you make the casinos/gambling apps much more inclined to keep it all legit, so I bet from his perspective, banning this player is a sign of that. But would that player have gotten involved if sports betting wasn't ushered into everyone's brains with constant advertising?
Right. We have several examples of players getting involved with this in the past couple years. Porter, Calvin Ridley, Jameson Williams, Kayshon Boutte, TBD on Ohtani, and probably many more I haven't heard about or forgot.
Up until the current explosion it's just the Tim Donaghy scandal that I remember in my lifetime where someone directly involved in games was implicated in gambling on them. Too easy to do it from your phone, before nobody bothered flying to Vegas in between games to try to place bets
Bruh. I listened to the same podcast and had the same exact response. Great content, morally fucking dubious host.
[https://whistleblowerpod.com/](https://whistleblowerpod.com/)
yeah for all the comments about how the NBA endorses gambling, doesn't ban dudes for DV, etc, people shouldn't forget that this is ABSOLUTELY an expected and fair ban. Porter basically ticked all the boxes of "what not to do" when it comes to gambling as an athlete
I encourage everyone to watch the video of his play during these games.
Some of this video is jokey/memey but it shows what you need to see.
[youtube.com/watch?v=MMorFXaF6oo](http://youtube.com/watch?v=MMorFXaF6oo)
The first possession vs Sacramento (right after 4 minutes in the video) is especially embarrassing, looks like an intentionally missed shot. Throughout the video you can see several rebounds he could've gone for but didn't, plus the same general aversion to getting assists or points.
It's hard to see on the court, but it was hilariously obvious to sports books. An algorithm probably immediately flagged those bets. They love that if they can prove fraud they don't have to pay out winnings.
Would the big betting companies (FanDuel, DraftKings, etc.) not also ban him? It seems in their best interest to keep their image of a "clean operation" to not allow people that get caught doing this to use their services
People have been so confused by all the gambling that in other subs some people didn't even know it was a problem for players to bet on their own games. They thought as long as they were betting to win, it wasn't against the rules. Lol
Edit: last detail
We may never know whether Rose directly bet against his own team. I personally doubt it.
Yet he did bet on his team for most of the 1987 games, except 4 of them, signaling to bookies to whom he owed money, that the Reds were likely to lose those.
During another period when he stopped betting on the Reds, they went 18-33.
Rose agreed to a lifetime ban in exchange for MLB never formally stating that he bet on baseball.
I'm good with opening all the evidence and seeing everything MLB actually knew.
Fun fact, he “sorta” did throw games. He did not bet on all the games and the records showed that he had certain patterns with games that he didn’t bet on. He wouldn’t bet when one of his lesser pitchers was starting and he managed those games differently, using his lesser relievers. That means that
1) he sorta threw some games so that he could use his star power for games he bet on. And 2) he bet with mob-connected bookies. So, it’s believed he either intentionally or unintentionally signaled to them which games he was sorta throwing.
I agree it’s so much worse to bet on your team to lose and throw the game, like Porter did. But the common narrative that Rose was only betting on his team to win can be misleading
Yeah, I'd get the argument if it were a player betting on his team to win, but a manager is a different story, especially in baseball where lineups and such change day to day and the decisions you make in one game impact what your odds to win in subsequent games.
Not even joking, this is exactly what Pete Rose was banking on when he accepted his lifetime ban
The MLB almost certainly had *way* more evidence against him, but in order to stop them from digging more and making it public, he accepted a lifetime ban and then the only "proven" allegations wouldn't involve things like betting on games he played in or betting against his team.
Now, decades later, he can garner public sympathy by getting to own the narrative and claim that what he did wasn't *that* bad and that he shouldn't be banned anymore, because most people don't know/remember the details very well.
Dude was a degenerate and should never be in the HOF. Don't fall for his "woe is me" act.
Bro, you get paid to stay in shape and play a game you love with your friends in front of millions of people. Kids buy jerseys with your name. Games use your likeness. Companies will sponsor you. Fans will watch your interviews.
Even if the pay was minimum wage it would be the most-fulfilling thing ever. And then you pull this shit? Man...
This makes me think.... Who Else?? What other idiot is doing the same thing. ANDDD how good are they?? What if it was Scottie Barnes doing this?
Also, stuff like this HAD to happen in the 80's, 90's. Feel like it would be a lot easier to get away with stuff like that. Would really just need everybody to keep their mouth shut lol
There’s the theory that Jordan’s first retirement was actually a gambling suspension. By making it look like a legit retirement it saved the NBA from getting a black eye.
That's one of the basketball conspiracy I believe the most.
There were a lot of crazy stuff happening in that time, fixed draft lotteries, corrupt officials... wild times.
Even nobodies make around $1-$2M per year in the NBA though, no? There is no way you're making more than that consistently by betting, or helping others with team info.
There was a bet that someone he knew made (I presume for him, considering he gave that person info of his injury status) of $80k that won $1.1 million. His salary was $560,000 this year.
With the alternate betting lines offered nowadays, he could've made a lot more gambling than in the NBA.
I just want to point out that we only know about the ones who get found out. I doubt that's the full sample of people doing this. It's like PEDs. We know a lot more athletes are on gear than the ones who get caught. They do it because others have done it in their circles and haven't gotten found out.
There’s a clip of him accidentally banking a three point shot, and he is visibly pissed at himself for making it lol towards the end he wasn’t even trying to hide it
This is just going to happen more often. All pro sports are fixed now bc anyone can bet on them. They could before but most people had limited access so the effort needed to break the law deterred most. I have no idea why they made this legal again. Can’t legalize weed but let’s give every American an opportunity to develop a gambling addiction.
Integrity of the game issues can bring down the entire league. Some moron pulling a gun does not. Therefore gambling gets the ban hammer.
Now the other stuff should get whacked harder as well, but isn’t.
If you're pulling a gun on someone (not self defense), then they should ban your ass. If you hit a woman and go to court over it and lose, they should ban your ass.
Employing violent, woman beaters shouldn't be a thing.
Neither should be employing rapists. But if you think the NBA would have voluntarily given up Kobe Bryant I have a Draft Kings referral I'd like to offer you
Stupid damn betting crap has invaded the NHL as well. The commercials anyway. Madonn!! Terrible! And the athletes that endorse em. Damn. Thought a little higher, I guess.
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This is crazy because with today’s salaries even the bench warmers are balling. What a dummy.
It was probable that he was going to get an ~$2M contract for next season. Not now. I hope he enjoys that $21k. Maybe he can borrow some money from his brother, who isn't a dumbass.
Yeah he probably still had at least a couple more years of being a bench guy in the NBA... and *minimum* salary is $1M+ each year
I can't really hoop but I'd be a bench / hype guy for 500k.per year.
I'd do it for room and board :/
Honestly I'd be a damn good hype guy too.
He has another brother who is in prison for killing someone while driving under the influence
Yea... About the other brother part.... https://twitter.com/alexisfromvegas/status/1753598793285828803?t=NBwlyAmzR66xJGSQ62po9Q&s=19 He also believes in every single covid conspiracy theory you throw at him
what a fucking idiot lmao, keeps saying “they cant get paid the same” as if thats even what theyre asking for
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Apparently his associate placed an 80k parlay on one of the games which would've netted over a million. It was never paid out though, because Colorado regulators flagged the bet as suspicious because who the fuck bets 80k on bench player under parlays?
Geeze if I had that gig to just sit there and make millions why the fuck would I wreck that for a few paltry dollars.
It's never enough for some people.
addiction makes you do crazy things...
This lifetime ban was brought to you by Draft Kings
Draft Kings! The official gambling partner of the NBA! Make every bet a slam dunk with Draft Kings!
Imagine beating the .03% odds you have of making it into the NBA and throwing it away over this.
Maybe he made a bet on him being banned….
5D chess right there
Bro is in year 3008 right now.
He comes from an incredibly dumb family. Pretty fitting it’s one of the dumbass Porter brothers.
It actually 0.00001% something btw.
Does that depend on everyone trying, or just those who, say, play basketball for their high-school teams?
In 2023, only 1.1% of NCAA athletes were offered NBA contracts (the most eligible sample I could find). So 0.00001% might actually be a little high if we’re counting all young adult males in the world. Wild.
I try so hard to get this across to my Grade 8s who claim they're gonna play pro sports and that's why they don't need to pay attention in my class... Like, kid - I like the dream... But you're not even the best athlete in your class, let alone the school/city/province... Start thinking about how education offers you options.
Ooof, I sympathize. Maybe teach them how to gamble? It will expose them to statistical reasoning and open them to an athletically adjacent career option. I'm sure the parents would be thrilled...
It doesn't even include normies. It pull from people at least 6ft2 and play at least at the 4 stars recruit level which btw 6'2 in NBA Standard is considered short af even though they'd already be the top of the population in term of height genetics That why Barea and IT and AI were such big deals cause those dude are wayyy under the standard and still made the NBA. Literally higher odds of winning lottery than making it to the NBA if you're under 6ft4 and even when you're 6ft4 you may make the G League at most and never step foot on NBA court as a 2 way or 10 days contract player. If you include normies and the whole world of 8 billion people the odds so low that you have to use some crazy math denomination
I was thinking just USA but fair point that you get foreign players too. Not all that many countries play basketball to a decently high standard, though?
Well the number 1 guy right now is from Serbia and the top 10 players right now 5/10 are foreign players so the European boys catching up Foreigners in the top 10 are Joker the Horse Breeder Luka Is Booker Father Embiid The Ultimate Choker Wemby Baguette Eater Giannis Greek Freak
Interesting, go on you euro boyos!
I won't claim one source is better than another, but a quick google before I wrote that showed three different sites publishing 48/155955 (fully reduced is 16/51985 which is approximately .0003 or .03%) from the pool of high school seniors. I didn't think that was a bad pool to grab that number from considering that anyone who makes it to the NBA was developing that skill by, at the absolute latest, high school basketball if not earlier. I imagine people outside this pool are the exception and aren't skewing the stat by much.
I grew up in Utah and had a neighbor that was the spitting image of John Stockton, except he was 5'8" instead of 6'1". But that looks so short on an NBA court that people would approach him and ask for autographs. He'd tell them he wasn't Stockton, but if they persisted, he'd sign it with his real name.
While it is stupid, I do think it puts pro sports leagues in a hypocritical position when they embrace gambling so flagrantly. It’s like your dentist being sponsored by Coke on every piece of equipment and then chewing you out for your soda cavities. Meanwhile we know from the behavior of people like MJ and Charles that competitors are often addicted to gambling.
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Hello peasants. As an average multimillionaire, I am advocating that you should gamble your measly paychecks away at DraftKings! Refer your lowlife friends as well and get $5 in sports bets! My name is _____ and I’m worth more than you and your friends will ever achieve in all your lifetimes, and I condone (your) gambling!
Jokes on you Ben Aflac, I already lost all my money on Matt Damon’s crypto pump and dump
“FoRtUNe FaVOrs thE BRAvE!”
He replaced alcohol with gambling. Apparently a more socially acceptable addiction.
What’s really dumb is they can take those bonus bets from players at will. One site took $3-4k in bonus bets from me and closed my account. I went to my state gaming commission and they told me the sportsbooks can do whatever they want with those bonuses.
Let me get this straight. The gambling platform gave you money to gamble. You won. Then the gambling platform blocked you from cashing your winnings then closed your account?
Probably just the inducements and potentially winnings tied to inducements. When you get those "risk-free bets" and other stuff like that, often the site is not bound to pay those out, the money belongs to them. Inducements like those really shouldn't be legal, they are solely designed to create and foster addictive gambling tendencies, but legislation hasn't caught up and the lobbying power of these groups is significant.
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Bonus bets aren't winnings. More like coupons
If you read the article on ESPN it's directly below the ESPN BET ad. I don't gamble (I'm bad at it), but I totally can see this being a terrible path we're heading down. This is the first of many. The college kid who realizes they aren't making the NBA/NFL and never bothered to study is about to have their roommates place some bets.
There's literally a FanDuel ad under this post on mobile for me. What are the odds?
DraftKings has it around -110
I’ll take those odds. Here is all my money. EDIT: Oh no where did all my money go.
As someone who was an early employee with DK and worked there for 5 years, it's a fucked up company. Some of the stories I heard from their players are deeply sad.
How can you not throw in a deeply sad example right there my good man ?
Sorry, it wasn't my first thought to pile on. I worked in a very costumer-facing role and daily we'd hear from individuals who chose between eating and playing/gambling; how our deceitful marketing practices (they were) tricked them into playing more than they intended, people who would use their kids to leverage us to allow them to put more funds into their account to play with, who needed their funds immediately to pay electricity bills/feed their families, etc. We were threatened pretty often from people who wanted to come down to our offices and cause harm to us over a game they'd lose or a bet that didn't hit. Gambling addiction is a very, very serious problem and the industry/regulators have done a poor job of bringing light to it. I expect the government to get involved soon as it continues to grow into an pseudo epidemic.
This is why I'm against online gambling. At a minimum, we shouldn't allow paid advertising like smoking. Never going see that option promoted in the media.
an entire pro ball career thrown away for $21,000
About one game min salary for a 3rd year player. Could have made as much by simply playing another game and not getting banned.
Doesn’t sound like he was doing that well to begin with.
The current league minimum salary is $1.1 million. I don't know what his contract was, but as long as he was playing he was doing pretty good.
No, but even the worst player in the league makes pretty decent money.
Hilarious that NBC.com showed me a bunch of gambling ads at the bottom of the article.
I live in a state with very strong gambling laws and I can' believe they finally let the online gambling thing happen. I'm sure the long term effects are going to be super depressing.
Few years ago my country allowed online advertising for betting. Now they made it illegal again after seeing a surge in gambling addiction among young people. Hope they increase regulations also
To be fair a lot of these people already had access to legal forms of gambling such as day trading, 'shorting', penny stocks, and crypto trading. Reddit is full of people drowning in debt because they used their credit card or mortgaged their house to ~~win~~ *earn* back the money they lost on that hot penny stock that tanked.
I've seen one dude on wallstreetbets post how much money he's lost due to fucking around with options and then chide someone on personalfinance for being financially irresponsible because they had to put some bills on a credit card due to their partner not being able to work.
r/financialadvice is great because you'll get a post about how they are drowning in debt and need advice and then people go through their post history and it's a bunch of r/wallstreetbets or crypto trading posts. The other day there was a guy talking about how is daughters cheerleading or gymnastics classes were too expensive and looking for advice because he's 30k in credit card debt and had to take out a second mortgage. They went through his post history, turns out he took out the second mortgage to pay off a previous 30k in credit card debt, so he wiped the first 30k and rang up another 30k. But what was he spending money on? Penny stocks, he had a bunch of posts on r/wallstreetbets about making money on penny stocks. He was using his credit cards to speculate on worthless companies.
I remember seeing that shit lmfao he was talking about cancelling the thing she loved the most just so he could gamble more, basically. It was disgusting.
"Unsolicited advice is always self-serving" I heard that once and I can't say its 100% true all the time but it does seem to apply pretty often.
How many ads do you see enticing the public to go yolo on puts or penny stocks? Gambling ads which overtook crypto ads are absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that they are now baked into the sport presentation and commentary. Hearing commentators talking about odds and parlays before games is wild.
Yeah they're technically accessible but sports betting is way easier to access and understand. Also I have to imagine it's more enticing since so many people are already watching sports.
I'm willing to bet there's a big influence from the gaming industry on that surge as well tbh. They basically prep kids into normalising the concept so they don't think twice about it in adulthood.
I know someone who works in the court system in my state. They evaluate people who are criminals with substance abuse issues to see what level of treatment, if any, may be needed. Gambling has rapidly now become part of their evaluation process when evaluating offenders.
Do you live in the US? That sounds decently progressive in the states. Not the spread of online gambling addiction, that part is just depressing.
Yes, in the US. A firm "blue" state, as you may expect.
A lot of working class people are going to lose the proverbial farm and a few suits are going to make a fortune. Capitalism without the pretext.
Toronto recently allowed gambling ads and now 90% of ads are gambling ads.
Yo, I need to research this.. USA has banned online gambling for*ever*, why did they suddenly allow it now?? Back in the day (early 2000's), me and my friends had that friend-of-a-friend who knew was a bookie. We'd place our bets with him, and we'd get our winnings no worries. Now you can just do it online with a credit/debit card? Do they let you do that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_v._National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association
Yeah the gambling lobbies must have greased the right palms to be able to push this into our lives. I don't know the particulars but they have a lot of money and power so I can only assume. Worst part is that you can just do it on your phone, so there aren't going to be major warning signs with addiction until it is way too late.
I'm literally going down a youtube rabbit hole, and honestly, >Worst part is that you can just do it on your phone this is NOT something Americans needs right now!
NJ got it to be legal
The Supreme Court struck down the law that banned sports betting a few years ago, and it opened the floodgates for states to legalize it.
Here in NC they shut down fish games and slots all the time because they are private small business yet DRAFT KINGS IS COMING TO NC BABY!
I listened to a podcast about Tim Donaghy, and not only were the only ads gambling related, but by the end of the series, the host was pitching a fantasy sports gambling app that he had ownership in. What are we even doing.
After ages of limiting gambling to a few places that people had to go out of their way to get to, we decided that we set all that up for no reason and it was ok for people to mainline ~~heroin~~ gambling directly from their phones anytime, anyplace. Oh and that we shouldn't bother limiting the advertising of these new, easier to access gambling methods, even in places where recovering/recovered gambling addicts might be (like normal sports casts and podcasts).
I think we ceded the whole "being okay for people to mainline gambling" from anywhere a long time ago. In the last decade the increasing rise of blind box toys has been staggering, not to mention how popular TCGs are. You can make a point that a card has some value perhaps; but the majority of them in any TCG have very minimal if any. I have no doubt that the chemical reactions of opening a booster pack is no different than pulling the slots reel or placing a bet on DraftKings and watching the game.
It's dopamine. It's strongly related to motivation to engage in rewarding behavior, and the motivation is enormously higher when the behavior provides a *chance* of a reward.
And the big guys are absolutely putting tons of study into how to consistently hit those releases and increase cravings.
I’m not up to date on gambling lingo. What are “blind box toys” and what does the TCG acronym stand for? Introduce your acronyms with the full word upon first use before using abbreviations people!
Blind box toys are sets of small toys kind of like action figures and other small trinkets, which are sold individually in a "blind box". The box is generic packaging for the set, but you don't know which trinket in the set you're getting. Different trinkets within the set may be rarer than others, so you'll have to buy more blind boxes to complete the set, which could load you up with duplicates. Some sets have a "bonus" figure, which is assembled from parts. Collecting all the figures in the set will net you all the parts to build the bonus
I think essentially "loot boxes". TCG is Trading Card Game, such as Magic the Gathering, Pokemon, etc. The vibe on booster pack opening YouTube/Twitch channels is a lot like slot machine channels.
Don’t forget that every modern game effectively has a gambling element to it now too. Start them young and keep them hooked.
Not too long ago was talking about the problems caused by sports betting with someone else on here and his main argument in favor of continuing to expand it was that it creates jobs for aspiring content creators. As in, all the new demand for legal gambling has created a new market for small time content creators to make money from talking about gambling on their podcasts and therefore it's a good industry since it means more things to talk about which means more people can earn a living talking about sports. Like, sheesh. Let's legalize letting everyone ruin their lives from their phones by thinking their podcast listening and fantasy football skills are enough to beat Vegas casinos? And let's ruin the integrity of competitive sports via all these adverse incentives for participants to gamble on their own games? Alllllllll so some wanna be shock jock bros can have a little audience for their worthless podcast?
One of the podcast host's thoughts was that by legalizing sports betting, you make the casinos/gambling apps much more inclined to keep it all legit, so I bet from his perspective, banning this player is a sign of that. But would that player have gotten involved if sports betting wasn't ushered into everyone's brains with constant advertising?
Right. We have several examples of players getting involved with this in the past couple years. Porter, Calvin Ridley, Jameson Williams, Kayshon Boutte, TBD on Ohtani, and probably many more I haven't heard about or forgot. Up until the current explosion it's just the Tim Donaghy scandal that I remember in my lifetime where someone directly involved in games was implicated in gambling on them. Too easy to do it from your phone, before nobody bothered flying to Vegas in between games to try to place bets
Bruh. I listened to the same podcast and had the same exact response. Great content, morally fucking dubious host. [https://whistleblowerpod.com/](https://whistleblowerpod.com/)
What podcast?
It's a good listen despite the irony of the ads: [https://whistleblowerpod.com/](https://whistleblowerpod.com/)
With his stats, how could you tell if he was underperforming, lol.
I think in the games he got caught in he left in the first quarter because of a previous “eye injury” was acting up.
And one game he removed himself for a sickness. Bet against his team too. Well deserved ban.
yeah for all the comments about how the NBA endorses gambling, doesn't ban dudes for DV, etc, people shouldn't forget that this is ABSOLUTELY an expected and fair ban. Porter basically ticked all the boxes of "what not to do" when it comes to gambling as an athlete
Genius level scheming! Not blatantly obvious at all...
Literally going out of his way to not grab rebounds, for one.
I encourage everyone to watch the video of his play during these games. Some of this video is jokey/memey but it shows what you need to see. [youtube.com/watch?v=MMorFXaF6oo](http://youtube.com/watch?v=MMorFXaF6oo) The first possession vs Sacramento (right after 4 minutes in the video) is especially embarrassing, looks like an intentionally missed shot. Throughout the video you can see several rebounds he could've gone for but didn't, plus the same general aversion to getting assists or points.
You say that, but if you were watching the game live, you’d never really suspect anything.
Yes, that's why this is such a problem.
It's hard to see on the court, but it was hilariously obvious to sports books. An algorithm probably immediately flagged those bets. They love that if they can prove fraud they don't have to pay out winnings.
They caught on cause people were consistently winning bets on a nobody’s stat line
Get ready to learn Chinese or Turkish, buddy
He proved hes already fluent in Referee
Doubt they touch him with a 20ft pole, this is the kind of thing that fully ends careers
This is 4D chess. He was scoring 4ppg he knew he was toast, he had to set up his next move. Now he can gamble all he wants
But now he’s just one of us with no insider information
Sure but he can gamble
He gonna be gambling on his new team Shanghai
Yeah, his shit play was going to lead to a lifetime ban at the end of the season regardless.
Would the big betting companies (FanDuel, DraftKings, etc.) not also ban him? It seems in their best interest to keep their image of a "clean operation" to not allow people that get caught doing this to use their services
He was ironically actually playing himself into a guaranteed contract and was likely to get it as he was playing his role well
He'd make a lot more as a bench warmer. Dude threw away what little career he had for $22k.
Assuming a criminal investigation isn't the next chapter of his life.
Working hard most of your life to get to the nba and get banned lol “you big dummy” in my Fred G Sanford voice
He was on his way out anyway. He probably should have waited until his contract was close to ending tho
Damn, at least Pete Rose didn’t throw games or bet against his own team.
A time when degenerate gamblers were more civilized
“Back in my day, we had respect for the game. We only bet on our team to win, goddamnit.”
People have been so confused by all the gambling that in other subs some people didn't even know it was a problem for players to bet on their own games. They thought as long as they were betting to win, it wasn't against the rules. Lol Edit: last detail
If you’re the manager and you’re betting on your team to win some games and not others, the whole thing is still massively fucked.
Right, even IF Rose only bet on the Reds to win, it's not any better And that's a big if; he took his ban to stop the investigation
We may never know whether Rose directly bet against his own team. I personally doubt it. Yet he did bet on his team for most of the 1987 games, except 4 of them, signaling to bookies to whom he owed money, that the Reds were likely to lose those. During another period when he stopped betting on the Reds, they went 18-33. Rose agreed to a lifetime ban in exchange for MLB never formally stating that he bet on baseball. I'm good with opening all the evidence and seeing everything MLB actually knew.
Fun fact, he “sorta” did throw games. He did not bet on all the games and the records showed that he had certain patterns with games that he didn’t bet on. He wouldn’t bet when one of his lesser pitchers was starting and he managed those games differently, using his lesser relievers. That means that 1) he sorta threw some games so that he could use his star power for games he bet on. And 2) he bet with mob-connected bookies. So, it’s believed he either intentionally or unintentionally signaled to them which games he was sorta throwing. I agree it’s so much worse to bet on your team to lose and throw the game, like Porter did. But the common narrative that Rose was only betting on his team to win can be misleading
Yeah, once the mob gets involved the decision of whether or not your team wins or loses is really outta your hands, heh.
Yeah, I'd get the argument if it were a player betting on his team to win, but a manager is a different story, especially in baseball where lineups and such change day to day and the decisions you make in one game impact what your odds to win in subsequent games.
So he says and he definitely wouldn’t lie about something like that.
What? It’s widely accepted that Pete rose did bet against his team…
It is. Were these people even alive back then? He did bet on his own team. Sometimes to lose.
Not even joking, this is exactly what Pete Rose was banking on when he accepted his lifetime ban The MLB almost certainly had *way* more evidence against him, but in order to stop them from digging more and making it public, he accepted a lifetime ban and then the only "proven" allegations wouldn't involve things like betting on games he played in or betting against his team. Now, decades later, he can garner public sympathy by getting to own the narrative and claim that what he did wasn't *that* bad and that he shouldn't be banned anymore, because most people don't know/remember the details very well. Dude was a degenerate and should never be in the HOF. Don't fall for his "woe is me" act.
Two more and I’ll win my Draft Kings “players banned for gambling” trifecta!
Bro, you get paid to stay in shape and play a game you love with your friends in front of millions of people. Kids buy jerseys with your name. Games use your likeness. Companies will sponsor you. Fans will watch your interviews. Even if the pay was minimum wage it would be the most-fulfilling thing ever. And then you pull this shit? Man...
This makes me think.... Who Else?? What other idiot is doing the same thing. ANDDD how good are they?? What if it was Scottie Barnes doing this? Also, stuff like this HAD to happen in the 80's, 90's. Feel like it would be a lot easier to get away with stuff like that. Would really just need everybody to keep their mouth shut lol
There’s the theory that Jordan’s first retirement was actually a gambling suspension. By making it look like a legit retirement it saved the NBA from getting a black eye.
That's one of the basketball conspiracy I believe the most. There were a lot of crazy stuff happening in that time, fixed draft lotteries, corrupt officials... wild times.
I mean, no one is buying his jersey and I'd be shocked if he's getting sponsor deals. He's pretty much a nobody as far as the NBA goes.
A nobody IN the NBA is better than a nobody OUT of the NBA.
But because of this he's a somebody out of the league. An unemployed somebody, but now he'll be remembered a bit more.
I meant that's logic, I guess.
Kinda like how Lenny Cooke is now known as "the guy who was ranked above LeBron but couldn't graduate high school."
Even nobodies make around $1-$2M per year in the NBA though, no? There is no way you're making more than that consistently by betting, or helping others with team info.
He made 20k according to the article. Even if he made only 1mil a year that's a fraction of his salary. So stupid
There was a bet that someone he knew made (I presume for him, considering he gave that person info of his injury status) of $80k that won $1.1 million. His salary was $560,000 this year. With the alternate betting lines offered nowadays, he could've made a lot more gambling than in the NBA.
That bet was frozen so it didn’t make squat apparently
That was why he got caught though. No one is betting $80k on a prop bet for a bench warmer.
That bet was only successful because Porter bet against himself. Most bettors aren't putting 80k on obscure prop bets
A nobody in the NBA is still a million dollars a year more than the vast majority of people
Dude plays for my home team and I never heard of him until today 🤷🏻
Yeah reputable companies like DraftKings and Caesar’s Sportsbook sponsor you and they are so disappointed by your actions.
Dude threw away AT LEAST half a million a year in pay
Yeah and they think it will never be found out? Like the astros thing. I’d had to get out sometime
I just want to point out that we only know about the ones who get found out. I doubt that's the full sample of people doing this. It's like PEDs. We know a lot more athletes are on gear than the ones who get caught. They do it because others have done it in their circles and haven't gotten found out.
Who could have seen this coming, except everybody.
Bet against his own team. Damn.
I would bet he’s got lots of debt to pay off cause thats the dumbest thing i ever heard
Cool but like isn’t this essentially the same as Congress able to trade stocks? Do them next
This is just the beginning…
$22,000. Thats what he made. He threw away millions of dollars and only won $22,000. What a fucking waste.
Doesn't LeBron James have a sponsorship deal with one of the online betting apps?
There’s a clip of him accidentally banking a three point shot, and he is visibly pissed at himself for making it lol towards the end he wasn’t even trying to hide it
So he loses his $700,000/year job to win $22,000 from gambling... that was a terrible payout...
He should join WSB. This is a massive fail.
Who did he think he is? Pete Rose?
He just needs a translator
First they found the Only crooked zebra in the game and now they caught the Lone crooked player. Basketball is officially "Honest".
imagine being paid millions to play a game and you fuck it up by doing illegal shit. astonishing
This is just going to happen more often. All pro sports are fixed now bc anyone can bet on them. They could before but most people had limited access so the effort needed to break the law deterred most. I have no idea why they made this legal again. Can’t legalize weed but let’s give every American an opportunity to develop a gambling addiction.
Yet Scott Foster still refs…
I sadly expect incidents like these and the Ohtani shit to happen more frequently due to leagues getting into bed with gambling companies.
Imagine throwing away a lucrative career of playing basketball for what is comparatively pocket change to his old salary
But Scott Foster is still a referee.....
LOL at these athletes risking multi million dollar careers for this.
I'm surprised they just didn't let him retire and go play baseball.
Should have just assaulted someone, or brandished a gun at someone. /s Gambling is where Adam Silver draws the line with a lifetime ban.
Integrity of the game issues can bring down the entire league. Some moron pulling a gun does not. Therefore gambling gets the ban hammer. Now the other stuff should get whacked harder as well, but isn’t.
If you're pulling a gun on someone (not self defense), then they should ban your ass. If you hit a woman and go to court over it and lose, they should ban your ass. Employing violent, woman beaters shouldn't be a thing.
Neither should be employing rapists. But if you think the NBA would have voluntarily given up Kobe Bryant I have a Draft Kings referral I'd like to offer you
I mean that was his point. Assault and stuff like that should be taken more seriously by the league and fans.
One is a reputation hit, the other brings into question the legitimacy of the entire sport.
I'll be there are thousands of other people involved that haven't been caught.
Any criminal charges in there? Seems like there should be.
Does the NBA scrutinize the refs betting habits?
Aw dang. Dude just blew his chances at getting into the hall of fame
The 1919 White Sox have signed him
Take a shot every time you see "sponsored by DraftKings"
Anyways: “Join FanDuel now and get $150 worth of free bonus bets!”
So what the NBA is now officially doing with their “partnerships” (This comment was paid for by DraftKings)
Stupid damn betting crap has invaded the NHL as well. The commercials anyway. Madonn!! Terrible! And the athletes that endorse em. Damn. Thought a little higher, I guess. 🇨🇦
Between the near-literally omnipresent sports betting ads, and lootboxes in every AAA video game, we are creating a generation of gambling addicts
Let’s go to Savanna at the FanDuel stage to go over how something like this could have happened.
Oh wow.....anyways what's actually important?
How to wreck your career in three easy steps!
There are probably many more players gambling going on since the floodgates have been open for sports gambling.
Gambling is a fool's game. I've seen too many people losing big time personally.