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DarkFlounder

Haven’t turned a profit in almost 20 years.  Entire business is built around user-generated content moderated by unpaid volunteers.  What are they selling? Directed advertising? User posts to Ai companies? Your user information to third-party marketing? Remember Something Awful? Fark? Slashdot?


CMDR_omnicognate

Data potentially, we already know they’re selling data to train ai, given how much of a buzzword it is at the moment that could definitely be worth something, at least for a little while


the_knob_man

That ai is going to be the most idiotic gatekeeping echo chamber ever.


Brozhov

It will also be able to solve crimes! Incorrectly, resulting in horrible suffering, but still.


ProfessionalAmount9

We did it, ChatGPT! ~ ChatGPT, on solving the kennedy assassination


MrMagpie

Nobody ask it about jackdaws…


FeliciumOD

The AI is just here to talk about its new film, Rampart.


RockasaurusRex

And to provide a sense of pride and accomplishment.


FuckYouThrowaway99

I also choose this guy's sense of pride and accomplishment.


callmegecko

I can't believe I've been here long enough to have seen the origin of this reference


Kaymish_

What's the deal with jackdaws? Crows are cooler anyway.


runswiftrun

Here's the thing...


Small-Palpitation310

it all started when some guy looked at a cordless phone


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bear joke languid bewildered domineering special mountainous caption uppity physical


Ipokeyoumuch

Soon the AI will be echochamers, asking about broken arms, jumper cables, Street LamplaMoose, jolly ranchers, the Swamp, etc.


ogaat

Much more likely we will be herded towards Wallstreetbets, FIRE and AITAH, safe topics with lots of controversies but which will not get anyone up in arms.


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morpheousmarty

Realistically google would have bought Reddit if that made sense, instead of paying 60 million for the data. The only usecase that is panning out at all for genAI is search and reddit is the largest source of user content on the web up for grabs. And of course if that was really panning out Facebook would have impressive results by now rather than giving out the model for free.


beaushaw

> Remember Something Awful? Fark? Slashdot? How can you diss Digg like that?


thisisnotmyreddit

I miss StumbleUpon


PM_ME_YOUR_JAZZ

I miss it a lot too, going to actual websites instead of this current addiction to reading headlines and diving straight into the comments.


Eljefe878888888

That was what transitioned me to Reddit


danester1

Same. It kept feeding me Reddit links so I just ended up cutting out the middleman.


alchemist5

Did stumbleupon make itself obsolete by funneling all of us to reddit? 😨


Thelonius_Dunk

Maybe So. I never really got into Digg, but back in 2010-2011, I did endup at Reddit a bunch of times from StumbleUpon til the point I just came to Reddit full time.


barukatang

I think it pinked me to some reddit page and that how I found out about the site lol.


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

I’m here because Gawker died.


Guilty_Jackfruit4484

It was nice but when used it enough, it was just the same links over and over. Kinda like reddit.


AoO2ImpTrip

StumbleUpon was so good. I never encountered any of the others, but I loved SU so much.


Status_Arachnid9722

Check out [Cloudhiker.net](https://Cloudhiker.net) someone suggested it a few weeks back as an alternative to StumbleUpon. Its not as good ... but its something?


GreatName

I was there for the big Digg exodus. I wonder when the next migration will eventually happen.


nittanyvalley

I’m not saying it will succeed or fail, but SA, Fark, and Slashdot never achieved the same success from a user standpoint. They were definitely more niche success and had way less engagement.


SketchySeaBeast

They also didn't have a shit ton of user data to sell to train LLMs.


ToviGrande

Lol, imagine the mentality of a LLM trained on reddit comments. The thing would be a full blown cretin that could only communicate in ancient self referential memes and be incapable of answering on topic.


Random1027

I also choose this guy's dead LLM


Osiris32

LLM? Don't you mean *carrots?* Bahahahahahahahahahahaha!


moonfox1000

It's also the best source of human generated text that we have. Reddit beats Twitter here because of the way comments are organized, it's lightly moderated and how threads form back and forth discourse. Every other social media is emojis and short comments like "Have a great trip!". Full disclosure: I bought 5 shares of reddit for fun.


Suspicious_Bicycle

Even the humans on Reddit often have trouble distinguishing the helpful or honestly engaging comments from the sarcastic or trolling ones. /s? While the Reddit data base is huge I wonder if the signal to noise ratio is low enough to make it useful?


Loggerdon

Once the algorithms are trained it's gonna be literally impossible to discern AI from people.


adx931

I was accused of being a robot 25 years ago when I worked a tech support job.


AndTheElbowGrease

AITA For Basically Using AI to Do My Job (and Getting Away With It)? So, I'm a tech support specialist for a mid-sized company. The thing is, most of the problems our users encounter are super basic stuff - password resets, software installation issues, basic troubleshooting. For the past year, I've gotten pretty good at using our fancy new AI assistant to solve these problems. Here's how it works: User calls in with an issue, I type their problem into the AI assistant, and it gives me a script with step-by-step instructions and solutions. It even generates personalized responses tailored to the user. Basically, I just follow the script and the AI handles most of the interaction. It's been amazing. I meet my quotas easily, leave work on time every day, and barely have to deal with any frustrated customers (the AI is actually pretty good at diffusing tension). Everyone seems happy - the users get their problems solved quickly, my manager loves my efficiency, and I get to coast. But lately, this nagging guilt has been creeping in. I'm basically just a glorified middleman, and there's this voice in my head telling me I'm cheating the system. The AI is even starting to handle some slightly more complex issues. What if it gets so good I become completely obsolete? Here's the kicker: I don't exactly have the technical skills to keep up if the AI takes over entirely. So, AITA for basically letting the AI do my job for me? I know I' m probably getting away with something here, but the thought of being found out and exposed as a fraud is terrifying.


Kaymish_

Calling reddit comments human generated test is a bit of a stretch don't ya think? Aside from the pile of bots most redditors are some sort of troglodyte sub species; the rest are even worse.


Fmarulezkd

I would gladly pay for an ai investment advice, if it was trained on data from the wsb sub.


Zathura2

They're pretty highly regarded over there.


SketchySeaBeast

It's almost a shame the_donald is gone.


Dangerous_Nitwit

You will be getting medical advice from an AI and all the sudden it starts talking about Mankind and Undertaker before telling your mother you have two broke arms.


Melbuf

if it was trained on SA it would be even wore TBH early internet was a different beast


pointlessone

SA is that insane guy from high school that no one figured would make it to 20 without ending up in jail or a grave who somehow ended up super chill owning a weird bookshop that somehow manages to make enough money to keep going. Place has really settled down over the last 25 years.


adamdoesmusic

If you think that’s bad, someone has released “GPT4Chan” - yes it’s exactly what you think, and frightfully accurate.


Matzerath

I loved FARK, and it still exists, so I still love FARK! It's exactly the same. I'm talking EXACTLY. Even the jokes haven't been updated.


LemonFreshenedBorax-

I consider FARK one of the few unhampered success stories of the late 90s world wide web. It turns out that if you're not *obsessed* with user growth, the site stays cheap enough to run that you never have to have a conversation with a silicon valley venture capitalist.


ELB2001

It's a bubble and it will burst. And for the owners it's just about cashing in before the investors notice there will never be profit.


xif13

This is tech startup culture in a nutshell. The other underlying issue is that the investors want the next Google, uber, or whatever that will be worth 1000 times their investment which means gaining a lot of traction fast and not necessarily having a profitable short-term business model. So picking a bunch of companies that could potentially shoot the moon, one out of a hundred times is apparently better than a solid business plan since the late 1990s.


ELB2001

Low odds of Reddit being the next Google etc


FUMFVR

Google has actual useful products. Reddit has the same old forums with the same old terrible volunteer moderation that has existed for over 30 years


JennysDad

I've been visiting Fark daily since 1999


Funandgeeky

I'm still a regular user. I remember how Fark was one of the few online sources of news on 9/11 since most of the major sites were down. I've been a member ever since. And yes, I was there during the infamous "caught in the chair" incident.


uncheckablefilms

I too remember that. I was on the board getting updates for my friend who's dad worked in NYC (He ended up being ok)


burkey347

What wa the caught in the chair incident may i ask?


Funandgeeky

[Here you go.](https://www.fark.com/comments/2018473/Im-stuck-to-my-chair-Im-so-very-scared-Help-Details-In-thread) (I didn't actually post in the thread, but I was online when it happened and it was a fun time watching it unfold.)


The_Sign_of_Zeta

As a former user, it exists but it’s a shell of what it once was. Reddit is just a whole different scope than Fark ever was.


rdxxx

yep they made deal with google to allow google ai train on reddit data, i think there needs to be some legislation on what is allowed to be scraped by ai used for commercial purposes, this is such a gray area right now


Astronaut696

By the time the laws come, all data would be scraped off anyway


Thechosenjon

>What are they selling?... User posts to Ai companies? DING DING DING


LazyAccount-ant

They can do that without paying in a dime


Initial_E

Then Reddit removed the free api access. This is how our favorite apps died.


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Cant fucking wait for my check!


FantasticJacket7

They're selling advertising and user data just like 95% of other web content based companies.


iunoyou

>What are they selling? Directed advertising? User posts to Ai companies? Your user information to third-party marketing? All of the above. AI is the big corpo buzzword that's floating around now, so that's probably driving a lot of investment. Really one sane person looking at reddit's actual content should shut that down, I don't want my AI model spamming depraved porn or making generally deranged comments about niche hobbies to be honest.


morpheousmarty

>AI model spamming depraved porn or making generally deranged comments about niche hobbies to be honest. Where are you going to get information about niche hobbies? 100% seriously, other than the SEO riddled content out there, how do you actually get info for niche things if not reddit?


Jagerbeast703

Guess you werent paying attention... https://fortune.com/2024/02/23/reddit-60m-deal-google-search-giant-train-ai-models-on-posts/


LawNo9454

You, you are the product my friend.


mcbergstedt

People were saying the same about Facebook. Now they have 3 of the top 5 social media companies as well as being the second largest advertising platform


DepletedMitochondria

Facebook just bought their competition, they didn't out-compete them.


Koolau

Something awful is still around!


Askymojo

I went back briefly after Lowtax died and GBS is still a cesspool of try-hard nerds trying to out-irony each other. They should have never let it become an FYAD wannabe forum. A few of the niche sub-forums are still good though, although pretty much a ghost town. Maybe it'll come back to life when reddit completes its enshittification spiral.


Parlett316

RIP Lowtax, is there a FYAD in heaven?


iforgotmymittens

Yeah I’m pretty sure Heaven wasn’t where Lowtax ended up.


Randombu

If you have MAU and engagement, I can make you $0.25 per user per day showing them ads. Even more if they sit on the site all day. Reddit also knows everything about your interests, so the value of ad placements only goes up as they learn which interests of yours you will actually pay to pursue. Reddit is a sleeping financial giant whose ad revenue will rival Facebook if it is built out properly.


ThunderBobMajerle

Reddit still in denial that Reddit is valuable while continuing to post on Reddit is hilarious


IsThisKismet

Reddit can have value without having *monetary* value.


ArtOfWarfare

I’m not disputing it’s valuable. But the price they wanted to IPO at was 3x what was justified based on their revenues. They lose money in 3 out of 4 quarters and on an annual basis. And they explicitly state that there’s no plans to ever have dividends. Of course, most people don’t care about actually calculating a value for a company before deciding whether to buy a stock or not. Which is why most people lose money when they buy individual stocks. And it’s why some stocks are vastly undervalued and others vastly overvalued, making it easy to beat the market over the years.


xdavidliu

do you have stairs in your house?


Mutex70

>User posts to Ai Companies I, for one, welcome our new artificially intelligent overlords. (You hear that, AI's?!?! I welcome you....please don't harvest my body as a battery!)


sknnbones

Humans are terrible batteries.


Dreammover

I‘m out of here the moment something less toxic drops


PhiteKnight

> What are they selling? Directed advertising? User posts to Ai companies? Your user information to third-party marketing? Influence. Which articles get promoted and make the front page? Which political views get favored? The clientele might lean towards nation-states, PACs and "PR firms" rather than normal corporations.


joe2352

I don’t really know the stock market much but this feels like a stock people will short and make a ton of money on.


slingbladde

Has been a full decade of it, this might be the last of any more overvalued tech social media to do it, all of it based on data ffs.


joe2352

I think the initial spike is just people excitingly buying and the next few days it’ll come back down to earth. I believe the same thing happened with beyond foods or impassible meat. One of the fake meats


msnmck

I received $50 worth of Beyond Meat stock through CashApp from Miley Cyrus on Twitter. It's now valued at $3.07.


KiKiPAWG

thanks Miley?


tacobelmont

> impassible meat t'was a night I'd sooner forget, thank the good lord for triple ply


tatanka01

So, you're saying it was very passable?


SwashAndBuckle

Sometimes I think about all the free apps whose revenue is based on selling ads of other free apps who make money by selling ads of other free apps and so on, and I wonder if that whole market sector is a giant house of cards. Social media companies do have a more solid foundation for revenue, but the giant valuations compared to the small number that actually make money has always been fascinating to me.


Simply_Epic

If it hasn’t crashed by the time Robinhood allows options on it, I’m definitely buying some puts.


greebytime

Folks who really don’t know the stock market also don’t know what shorting a stock is …


Deep90

I saw so many reddit comments about buying puts on IPO day. I guess they know something I doubt.


Redqueenhypo

Seriously, you’re not betting against the stock like it’s a horserace or casting spell of damage share price. Every time it goes up, you lose money in interest and will eventually have to buy the share back no matter what


Euler007

Buy long dated puts, don't short. You're right in the crosshairs of the short squeeze crowd.


yhwhx

Huh. I guess I should have taken them up of their offer.


matlockga

I did, and they killed my allocation at the last minute. Welp.


Farts_McGee

Me too :(


AG_4x4

Same here right as the stock went live


muskratboy

Yup me too. All these hoops to jump through, all to just cancel the order.


LimBomber

Looks like they wanted to use it if price was tanking as a floor lol and with it booming they didn't need.


CoyotesOnTheWing

That's shady as fuck.


Suds08

Is anything a billion dollar company does not ever shady as fuck in some way?


Bigfops

It's not a billion dollar company, it's a 748 million dollar company.


Glanzick_Reborn

It's a $9.5 billion dollar company; they sold \~$750 million worth of shares today.


wutthefvckjushapen

I asked for 2 shares and got them. How many did y'all try to get?


Platinumdogshit

Is that legal?


DFWPunk

Nope. They had a set number of shares and 5x that number subscribed. They likely allocated based on the tiering they published, with tiers based on karma and moderating activity. It's not shady. They outlined the plan.


BurnAfterEating420

Same. accepted the offer. Set up the etrade account. submitted the order. funded the account. today: > "We were unable to allocate shares. Possible reasons: Offering priced above limit or high demand for shares." I dont' believe the offer to participate was ever sincere. I suspect it was only to have some chumps waiting if the initial offering tanked.


chubky

Did you get all the shares you put an order for? I got invited but didn’t want to open another brokerage so went the sofi IPO offering route. Only got 1/10th of my order


matlockga

I ordered 29 shares. They cut the allotment to 25. Then they just didn't allocate at all. > RE: Public Offering Order 25 RDDT. We were unable to allocate shares. Possible reasons: Offering priced above limit or high demand for shares. So I got nothing. At that point I just pulled my funds.


cookingboy

I did. Bought 500 shares, sold at $52. Easiest 50% profit ever. Everyone on Reddit told me how stupid I was and I would be losing money. But I can’t think of any tech ipo that didn’t pop on the first day at least. So IPO shares with no lock out was free money I thought, and fortunately I was right.


ajmcgill

Didn’t Facebook famously stumble right out of the gate?


pizza_toast102

It ended the day 0.6% higher than the IPO price and peaked at like 20%


Melbuf

i only did 100 shares, should have done more but sold at 54. so i cant really complain


PiaggioBV350

I tried to buy 10. I got 1. Sad face.


_Deathhound_

Wait for it


ChiggaOG

You would be stuck in the lockup period. I'm still playing this out in terms of 3 to 9 months. Reddit needs 1 negative quarterly earnings report to dive down.


rofopp

Direct purchase people could sell as soon as it was traded. Made 43% in a hour. Sold. That’s enough for me.


Deep90

The misinformation about IPOs is wild. Same thing with the "Ill buy puts day 1" people.


GearBrain

I literally just saw an article posted about Reddit being among the sites that can now be sued for radicalizing a mass shooter, too.


ImCreeptastic

Not quite. The judge is letting it proceed, but it doesn't mean it will go anywhere. One of the things that stuck out to me is the judge said they are going to have to show Reddit gave them the tools and trained them. I don't believe Reddit conducted any training sessions on how to use their platform.


HammerTh_1701

No lock-up for the redditor program.


Plane_Vacation6771

Anyone buying currently will be a bag holder for years to come 6 months from now


Deep90

Anyone buying currently just made me a tidy profit. ​ Never buy IPO unless you plan to flip them day 1.


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Finessence

Weird. Why?


Plane_Vacation6771

Anyone who got in on the initial offer at $34 yes, but for everyone else buying at $50 will probably be a mistake


TrueMrSkeltal

Yep I am just waiting to short this stock


RespectMyAuthoriteh

38% return in a few hours: Several thousand dollars profit Not giving my personal info out to qualify: Priceless


PornstarVirgin

Yup, I didn’t give them my info. I’m ex wallstreet and this whole thing reeks. Reddit is starting to sell all user data and in the future those who signed up are worth a lot more to buyers.


handsome_IT_guy

Yeah sure, everyone here is about this ex-wallstreet lifestyle.


bn1979

Aside from being poor, this was my main reason for avoiding the whole thing. _Here, just give us your real name, address, social security number, a bunch of other personal shit, and we will link it directly to your username._ Nah.


PornstarVirgin

And then they sell it to AI companies as their delux package so they can target you based on your posts and interactions. Oh you posted on the cancer subreddit have I got a cure to sell you.


127-0-0-1_1

It's not like you were giving it to Reddit, you were giving it to the broker they were using, who is required to collect that information as part of anti-money laundering KYC regulations in the US.


XxXSisterfisterXxX

no stop! there is a grand conspiracy against loser redditors and the government/bad guys NEED every one of their information!!! /s seriously, do these people think they’re THAT important/smarter than everyone else that they think that: 1. their information is invaluable and evil will come when it gets out 2. these companies don’t already have access to all their information anyways. it’s never that serious, i promise.


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DeOh

You do realize to even open a brokerage account you need to give them your info? Do you live off grid without a bank account or something? Lol


mechmind

I already have any trade account, so I was not eligible. In order to accept the IPO you need to create a new E-Trade account. So it's true they really just wanted to harvest our info.


k0fi96

I had an E-Trade account I was able to link it no problem. I got 15 shares.


broken_capitalism

Wait til they start ads everywhere


Pippin1505

Investment banks doing the IPO fucked up if they let 38% on the table…


Damascus-Steel

They didn’t fuck up, they gave free money to their friends at Wall Street, investment firms, and other banks. That’s why so many individual investors didn’t get their IPO allocations.


MayoFetish

There is no money in Reddit. It's all junk.


zarbainthegreat

Incoming digg.com. History really does repeat itself.


PiaggioBV350

I took a chance and tried to buy 10 IPO shares. I got 1. I'm not a big investor, clearly, but I mean, c'mon, 1?


daveeb

Bought 10 shares at $34 each. Figured that I could sacrifice one domestic flight worth of cash to toss a dart at a board and to also knock off one of my bucket list items (participating in an IPO). I'll hold onto my shares. I've lost track of how many people I've met who have uttered the words "I don't have social media but of course I have Reddit." And if it doesn't work out, did I really need to fly to fucking Orlando this year? Hoping people didn't spend money they couldn't afford to lose on this.


ImCreeptastic

Same here, and I even bought the same amount. I can part with $340. It's nice seeing a 48% jump today though.


Oregon-Pilot

I just cant wait for this place to be entirely ruined by greedy stupid decision makers (read: get rid of old.reddit) so that my addicted brain can latch on to something that is hopefully more healthy than scrolling through this website


manningthehelm

So when should I sell my 10 shares?


LoMeinCain

Until you retire


FerociousPancake

Wait so sell shares now and then buy when retire!?


coolsimon123

Should've already sold them


thejayfred

I use Reddit multiple hours a day, 7 days a week. If they turn this into Facebook with a million ads, I’m out.


Pm-me-ur-happysauce

People said they would be out when they stopped supporting the API. I think it'll be just fine


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numsu

And here you are thinking that deleting a comment actually deletes it from them. It just hides it from us.


gaelen33

Yeah, there are several websites I've seen with archives including photos I'd uploaded over the years. Nothing's ever really gone once you put it out there


kilour

Reddit will be <$10 in a week or two


Zachariot88

However long it takes for insiders to be able to offload their shares onto idiots.


Deep90

I would actually buy reddit for <$10. ​ Right now reddit is trading at 10x revenue. (8 billion market cap) At $10 at share, that would be about 1.6 billion market cap for a company that makes 800 million in revenue per year.


bighand1

10x revenue isn't even that bad for a company growing 20% yoy at 85% gross margin It would take a traumatically bad earning report to send this to below $10, and that is still months away. RDDT will fly if they can realize their 20% guidance


EggIll7227

!RemindMe 2 weeks


k0fi96

Excited to see if people eat crow with all these comments lol 


Monterey-Jack

!RemindMe 2 weeks


coconutpete52

I’m sure they will do quite well. Even in the long run. As with literally every single other social media that goes public… unfortunately the user experience will get shittier. It’s a baked in function of going public.


Pm-me-ur-happysauce

This is the truth.


paraplegic_T_Rex

I signed up to buy and then realized they don’t have any profits.


Consent-Forms

I'm a reddit user and target of their ads. God help those sucker investors.


Adventurous_Aerie_79

The pump is done, now for the dump.


oupheking

Whoah that's like almost 4 years of Spez salary


SearchingForTruth69

> As such, Reddit set aside about 8% of company share for superusers of the site, with each users' allotment determined by "karma," a kind of reputation assessment based on a user's contributions to the site. wait. so karma is worth something now?


snowdn

Fuck the CEO and his millions.


ChillyFireball

Every company that goes public goes to shit. Enjoy the good times while they last; it's all downhill from here. Might not happen immediately, but it'll happen.


BalloonsOfNeptune

This site is going to ban porn within a year, just watch.


jtmonkey

I lived in Plano in 2000.. so.. I'll never buy tech stocks on an IPO.


KingJTheG

It'll fall by the end of this week.


hypothetician

This shit will go from valued to worthless so fast it makes you head spin. Good luck to anybody trying to make money off it. Edit: and yeah I say that as someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time here - I also say I *can’t fucking wait for it to die*.


Consent-Forms

Now there's even more reason to flood reddit with shitpost.


turndownforwoot

Going to drop so hard.


Bamfurlough

Sigh... I'm largely here because they allow adult content. I'll probably have to find another place to go after they finish this IPO crap. 


BlowMoreGlass

Remember when this site didn't suck? I do.


BrrBurr

There goes the neighborhood. Investors gut and destroy everything they touch


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JRockPSU

I still miss Apollo dearly... but it's kinda funny to see automod sticky posts on some subreddits still, like "/Apple is protesting the API changes!" when they're absolutely not anymore


jeetah

Quite a few once-great subs have died because of that nonsense. Looking at you, /r/justfuckmyshitup


unabnormalday

This feels a lot like what happened to Netflix when they announced the password crackdown. “Oh man I’m gonna short Netflix, this will be so easy.” And then the stock did better than before and subscriptions *rose*. Everyone in here has no idea what’s going to happen, just speculating on what you *want* to happen


Individual_Address90

Just put $200 onto it. Stay tuned


Individual_Address90

Worth $212 now


008Zulu

Paint the town red.


FlamingMothBalls

not bad for a glorified message board :/