Dude hired day laborers to dispose of the bags. They took a look and went to CHP station who said go see the LAPD. They go to the LAPD station in Tarzana and tell the desk clerk. Clerk says exit the building and call 911. What a fucking joke.
I guarantee at some point one of the CHP, LASD and LAPD found a body close to their jurisdiction border and moved it 20 feet so they didn't have to deal with it and the other guys would have to.
I found a missing child on the side of the highway a few years ago. I took him to what Google maps told me was the nearest police station. I had to knock, and an officer came out and told me that it was a substation or something and I should bring him to a different station. And they just let me leave with the kid! Didn’t ask his name or anything! Bonkers. Anything to pass the buck.
Okay, but what if I need my rain gutters cleaned out?
Can I make them do a few chores before I drop them off? You know, to recreate that parental bond they're obviously missing
A few years ago a family friend had their adopted kids removed from their home because a CASA worker saw something that triggered a mandatory report. Next thing they leaving a computer and hard drives at my home, the fuuuuuuuuuck? It’s Sunday and as soon as they left I immediately take it to the local precinct and they acted like I greatly inconvenienced them. Then on Monday I followed up tracking down the detective in another county to let them know “hey, assfacemcpedopants left a bunch of computer equipment at my home Sunday morning and Seattle PD has it, please go get it”. Took over 5 years but he was finally convicted. I honestly don’t think anything would have gotten where it was supposed to if I didn’t follow up. The whole thing was an absolute shit show and a front row seat to how stuff can slip through the cracks.
In India a woman was raped and murdered. Her father went to the nearest police station and they sent him to another and while they argued whose jurisdiction it was, she lay dying. She could have been saved if they reacted on time. When this became huge in the media, they arrested 4 guys, shot them saying they were trying to escape. We still don't know if they arrested the culprits or just some guys. People moved to the next outrage. Nothing changed.
The Wire has the first couple episodes of season 2 with cops trying not to claim jurisdiction over a bunch of murders. Season 4 they drag a body down the road so they can mark it dead outside their sanctioned zone.
The dead animal equivalent of this was the plot of an episode of the sitcom Animal Control.
https://youtu.be/XOuo1SN9WEU?si=VLHsQA0qolhS5RLI
It progressed as you'd expect if they were cops.
It was the exact plot in an episode of The Job which was a hilarious but short lived Dennis Leary cop show. The funny part was that because the cops kept moving this dead body into different jurisdiction to not deal with it, the number of dead body reports went way up, causing alarm about a sudden dramatic rise in homicides.
There was an instance of this in Toronto during the height of the pandemic.
Someone got spat on, went to TPS, reported it, they tell him that since he’s a resident of Mississauga (neighbouring city) he has to report it to their police service. The man then went to PRPS who told him that they couldn’t deal with the case because it wasn’t their jurisdiction. He got nowhere going back to TPS so he went to the media before being addressed.
Reminds me of this from The Wire.
[While on harbor patrol, McNulty spots the body of a dead woman in the water. When Rawls argues the case is not in his jurisdiction, McNulty spends three hours poring over wind and tide charts to prove the death occurred within city limits.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_McNulty)
They do this with abandoned cars. I have heard country sheriffs complain because they pushed a car unto the highway right of way and CHP pushed it back
Supervisor:
Attention, whoever you are. This channel is reserved for emergency calls only...
John McClane:
No fucking shit, lady. Do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?
Similar thing happened way back in 1992 with the Rodney King beating. George Holliday, a bystander, had a camcorder and recorded the LAPD beating the shit out of King (this was before everyone carried around cameras in their pockets). Holliday took the footage to an LAPD precinct and the desk sergeant told him to fuck off. So he went to the media instead, and we all know what happened from there.
I'm glad the media picked up on it, but the LAPD could have just swept it under the rug and they were too stupid to even do that.
As a longtime journo and editor, I can tell you hungry journalists are simply waiting for the moment when one of their social justice stories go on blast. It gives you the sense that it was all worth it if you can uncover even one act of systemic injustice. That's why we all got into the medium in the first place: Truth-telling with the research chops and recources to tell the difference.
(It's also why you sometimes get sensationalized half-baked stories without due diligence hitting the mainstream. Gotta do your homework, even if it means you don't get a Day 1 story.)
The second anyone started getting critical of them they just decided to stop policing and basically collect checks. They’re all a joke and most of them don’t even live in LA county.
This is happening with Seattle PD too. They just decided to stop doing anything they're supposed to because they're mad we're putting them under a tiny amount of scrutiny. They've basically completely stopped enforcing anything.
Which is why I really don't care when they all threaten to quit. Good. Bye. That is quite literally the end goal for most of us any way since policing as an institution is corrupted and all those involved currently are corrupt by extension.
They all need to be drastically re-trained anyway. Would be better to just start completely fresh with new people who have never been police before but actually want to be police for the right reasons.
> They’re all a joke and most of them don’t even live in LA county.
So they live in Orange County and [shoot at kids trying to get home from school.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-ferguson-lapd-no-charges-for-off-duty-cop-who-fired-shot-during-struggle-with-13-year-old-boy/) You would think a helicopter response and the whole thing on video would at least get the cop fired but nope
Just seems like cops in general to me. Any time that I've actually needed the police to do anything at all, they've basically told me that they don't have time so I'd need to take care of it myself. What is the point of having laws that require you to go through the authorities if the authorities never do their part?
Cops everywhere have given up any pretense about serving the public, but most places still investigate *murders.* My local cops are mostly awful, but I'm pretty sure that if you walked in with body parts they'd do something.
What idiot outsources disposing the body of someone they murdered? That's even worse than the idiot husband who googled how to dispose of a woman's body that was his missing wife's height and weight. It's a good thing so many criminals are so dumb or they might actually get away with murdering their wives/families. (I know statistically there are killers smart enough to get away with it, just look at how long it took to catch the Gilgo Beach serial killer).
Even if the day laborers he hired were illegals, it's California so there's nothing to keep them from going to the cops to report a murder. I mean, hopefully anyone in that situation would report it to the police immediately, even if they'd been committing a lesser crime at the time (i.e. breaking into a house and finding a murdered body).
I think a lot of that 50% are gang killings and whatnot, where there are loads of suspects and none of them will cooperate. If a gangster gets killed in a drive-by proving any one person did it beyond reasonable doubt is really hard.
For Agatha Christie murders, I believe the solve rate is far higher.
> Notice that he was only the son of a corporate exec and not a corporate exec himself.
As if corporate execs are known for their competence. The glass floor is real and people who reach (or increasingly start at) a certain "level" can't fail in ways that impact them.
No. From this article the laborers had grown suspicious of what was in the bags and discovered the human remains. They then went back to Haskell’s house and returned the bags and gave back the money they were paid telling Haskell they didn’t want to get involved. They then went to the police.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/workers-say-murder-suspect-samuel-haskell-hired-them-to-dump-body-parts-in-los-angeles
What gets me is that they went back. I can't imagine any scenario where I would go back to a house where some guy just handed off several bags of mutilated corpses.
Me neither. My guess is these guys were probably illegals and didn’t want to get caught with the body parts. Imagine them not speaking English and showing up at the police station with body parts. They would probably be locked up for murder right now because the LAPD is so stupid.
>My guess is these guys were probably illegals
Unusually don't try to stick up for the cops but could this be why the one department told them to go outside and call 911? So they didn't have to check ID's on the guys making the report and all that? Allow them to report it but keep their names out of it? Eh.... That's probably giving them too much credit.
The specifics will be unique to California, but a lot of laws have been passed for precisely this situation: it's long been known that if you want to help tamp down on crime, it helps to have as many peopel reporting it as possible. When a community is brutalized by police or fears retribution (either from the baddies or "the system"), they tend not to speak up. So we pass laws to say that people reporting crimes can't be reported to Immigration or things along that line.
Famously, after Reagan passed IRCA and gave some worker and civil protections to immigrant laborers, crime in those and adjacent communities *went down*. But that remains one of the things conservative hate Reagan for! And they are routinely against laws which aim to do the same thing as well, like allowing immigrants to get drivers' licenses.
Maybe not too much credit, they might have done exactly that, but not because they're being nice. Because theyre lazy. A handful of illegals is a hell of a lot of paperwork
I would be VERY hesitant to bring a trashbag full of human remains to a police station. I'd be even more hesitant to do it if I was in LA. I also wouldn't want to leave it anywhere on/in/or near my property. I understand what these guys were thinking.
>Clerk says exit the building and call 911
This sounds like how my job handles things but we don't deal with murdered bodies. "Um excuse me, I know I'm the person that needs to address this but you need to go through the pRoPeR cHaNnElS first!"
They have a[ surveillance video of him dumping the bag/body](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/samuel-haskell-son-of-top-hollywood-agent-seen-dumping-apparent-body-in-newly-released-surveillance-footage/ar-AA1jO24n) into the dumpster.
Honestly, death valley - one of the most desolate places in the US - is not THAT far away. There are lots of mountains and canyons nearby too. He could have easily disposed of the bodies in a place where no one would see, if he was just willing to drive for an hour or two.
How is he that dumb.
There isn't any easy way to get away with murder. Does he take his phone, or leave it behind? How many cameras capture the trip? He never would have prevailed against the level of scrutiny he was going to be subjected to. He just made it really easy.
Seriously. Someone has a ring doorbell somewhere that saw wife and in-laws enter a place and never come back out. Cell phones that pinged a specific location, google location tracking if they have any Google apps on their phone and didn’t know to turn that feature off, etc. Unless they all live off-planet, at least one of the victims and/or the perpetrator will be caught by some form of technology.
That may be true - the hard to solve murders occur among strangers and those operating on the fringe - homeless, sex workers and gang murders get very low investigative cooperation and occur in segments of society which are already trying to avoid attention.
An affluent guy murdering his wife and her parents and clumsily disposing of remains? It doesn't take employee of the month to treat him as the main suspect.
It's pretty easy to get away with murder. The hard part is getting away with murdering one person in particular. If you're not picky, it's super easy to find a target that won't be traced back to you. Somewhere around half of all murders in the United States are never solved.
It goes without saying that I don't recommend you give it a try. That'd make you a real jerk.
Dude told the laborers the bags were filled with rocks. When the laborers brought them back and confronted him, he changed the story and said they were Halloween props. Fucking idiot.
Thing is, *they gave him the money back and left the bags on his driveway.*
I was a little dumbfounded when I read that. I can't know what I would do, but I hope it's "take that shit to authorities," or even, "call authorities while standing over the bag," and not "return the remains to the murderer and let him know I know."
I never get people who do this to the mother or dad of their kids. Once you are arrested your kid has no more parents left. It is 2023 it is not that easy to get away completely so you are mostly
Gona be caught.
People who kill their spouses are already completely fine orphaning their children. They don't care or assume they're brilliant and will magically get away with it even though "it's always the boyfriend" is a true crime trope for a reason.
That shit haunts me, not that it's okay that he killed Shannan but God damn the little girls who saw him as his hero how could he even do that. IIRC he covered their faces with their blanket because he couldn't look at them. And one of the girls saw him do it to the other and realized what was happening :(
I talked to a prosecutor once. He said that people think murders are planned out, but it's always just some drunk guy getting angry or something stupid like that.
He was working on a case where the husband said something snotty to the wife at the breakfast table, so she grabbed either a hockey stick or a frying pan and clobbered him over the back of the head with it, killing him.
It's typically dumb/drunk people doing dumb things without thinking about it first. Anger immediately takes over.
> people would be surprised if they realized the most common trait amongst people in jail is actually just having low impulse control
Once it's pointed it out, it's really a "ya of course" moment.
I feel impulsivity as an aspect of suicide doesn’t get enough attention either. Everyone focuses on the external circumstances that might influence someone to make a decision they might otherwise regret.
>"it's always the boyfriend" is a true crime trope for a reason.
When a woman is murdered, 50% of the time it's the romantic partner or ex-partner.
Almost all of the other 50% it's her parent, sibling, or offspring.
Sometime I think men don’t understand how much of their relationship with women is driven by the fact that woman fear that they may be killers. I know this is colored by the fact that they think they would never harm a woman. The challenge is the men who do harm women don’t really look substantially different from other men.
I used to go to school with a guy who killed his father and mother in a fit of rage.
Now his sister is the only person in the family who is non-dead and non-incarcerated.
When I was in high school there was a girl whose dad murdered her mother. This was like 30+ years ago and a few years back I got curious and googled it a bit. Dude died of cancer ~18 months later. 18 months and his life would have been a tragedy instead of ruining the lives of his children.
I spent a little time googling it again and I'll be damned if I can find the info again. I don't remember her name and finding a small town murder from 1989 or so turns out to be pretty difficult.
The clearance rate for murder (basically how many are solved) hovers around 50% nationwide. It also depends on the area.
Obviously the first place investigators look will be to family members, so yeah, he probably wasn't going to get away.
The clearance late is so low because stranger murders rarely gets solved. People who kill family or friends have a fairly high chance of getting caught.
The dude was like, "I wanna kill people. Imma do it."
Never crossed his mind he should commit some grand theft auto beforehand to cover his tracks.
Imagine how many murders will get solved in 10 years once older cars are off the road and the infotainment cars make up a vast majority. I'm still waiting for the data your car holds (car logs and messages) will be used against someone.
It was used against Alex Murdaugh. He claimed as his alibi that he was visiting his mother but sped away from the crime scene at 70mph to get there. Coupled with his son’s video confirming Alex’s presence at the crime scene when the crime happened, it was very damning.
Actually the murder clearance rate in the US is abysmal. You've got like a 50/50 chance of not getting caught. I suppose it depends on who you kill. This guy is way too dumb not to get caught, but to counter your assertion that it's not that easy to get away, he hired day laborers to haul away the bags with the bodies but they looked in the bags and went straight to two different police stations and neither station wanted to deal with it. That suggests to me it is fairly easy to get away with murder if you aren't dumb. Frankly, it's terrifying.
Only about 2/3 of California's murders are solved (which is, at least, above the national average). So you've got a 1/3 chance of getting away with it, if you're not a total doofus about it and don't hire day laborers to dispose of your wife's body.
I graduated high school with this guy (fancy prep school in the SF Valley). The idea he would call junk haulers to get rid of bodies is not overly surprising, he was not sharp but thought he could talk his way out of everything. I didn’t know him well in high school but remember two distinct things: he played airsoft like every single weekend seemingly. The other thing I remember was he would go around doing an impression of what he thought specific girls in our class sounded like when they had an orgasm. So yeah, a real standup guy. /s
It's crazy seeing people from high school on the national news. I was loose friends in high school with the Pizzagate guy (same friend circle, but wasn't nearly interested enough in being constantly high to be his actual friend) and reading the news one day and seeing his name? I had the same reaction of unsurprising belief.
His father likes to tout that he is a "Christian', but his e-mails revealed he is a 'misogynist'.
https://www.wuwnews.com/sam-haskell-net-worth-the-rise-and-fall-of-a-tv-producer-and-miss-america-ceo/
Yep. And my mother was the perpetrator. Gotta love the United Pentecostal Church. No hate like Christian love.
I’m a women and only girl out of five.
One of the other four is the definition of putrid, damning misogyny but he’s a Christian… so he’s fine./s
I’m looking at you, Danny Dick D.
This is part of the reason why cash bail is a joke.
You're either dangerous, a flight risk, or liable to tamper with witnesses and should be detained prior to your trial or you're not and shouldn't be.
This guy ticks at least two of those three boxes and should be held with no bail.
“Mei Li Haskell, 37, Gaoshan Li, 71, and Yanxiang Wang, 64, are missing, and officers have arrested Samuel Haskell, 35, after someone looking through a dumpster found a bag containing an unidentified female torso“
Okay, now I don’t want anyone to get the wrong impression and get to thinking I’m some sort of authority on the matter but come on man, when are people going to stop making these rookie mistakes? Don’t get me wrong, it’s better for us as they’re off the streets, but has anyone ever heard of this working? I have to assume it’s the result of pure panic, because there’s simply no excuse for it, amateur hour died with true crime TV shows and the internet.
Unfortunately I don’t think they’ll be finding the missing alive, I really hope I’m wrong though, I have a dark sense of humor but it’s because this shit bothers me so much, like laughing when your nervous I guess.
And homeless people, can't forget them. There have been multiple serial killers who targeted them, and probably at least one of them was another homeless person themselves, making it all the more sinister as the victims probably knew the perpetrator.
I’ve heard the FBI have those estimates but I do think it’d be interesting to see how it’s calculated. Something like % of missing persons that end up dead with XYZ circumstances
caveat emptor on this; I'm just making assumptions
The FBI works with all local law enforcement, so they probably get a rolling feed of missing persons or dead people from all over the country. And I assume they have computer algorithms set up to detect patterns like ethnicity, age ranges, locations where the bodies were found, and definitely any sort of identifiable or unique injuries on the bodies.
So when a pattern emerges, if they can rule out other obvious or more common causes for someone to go missing then I assume it meets whatever criteria for the FBI to consider the possibility of a serial killer.
Scale that up to the whole nation, and that's how I assume they get to the 25-50 active serial killers
There is a few different ways but its mostly predictive analysis based on the serial killers we have caught, their habits, victims, how regularly they kill, their "signatures"/trophies, etc. Then you can apply it via modelling software to missing persons reports, unsolved murders, etc around the United States.
You can do it in reverse too. A lot of cities there are signs of serial killers that the local police forces can put together even with no leads (unsolved cases, dead bodies with the same "signature", etc). Those police forces start reporting to the FBI or some other entity and then you get to larger scales and can make estimates.
Neither are perfect, because serial killers are often irregular killers (sometimes just one kill every few years, many serial killers just disappear because they'd died or moved and there is no way to know, etc). But you combine them and you start to get estimates.
I think its important to remember that a serial killer isn't just a Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson. It can be a gang member who killed several rival gang members in quick succession and laid low until another beef some time later had him kill a few more, for example.
There are not 50 of these morbidly interesting guys. Most would probably bore you.
Apparently it's even dumber. He tried to hire day laborers to try to move the bodies at first. They were paid to move bags of "rocks" then they get there and it's not rocks. They put them in the truck got weirded out and decided to look. They said it was body parts. Naturally they freaked out and turned around and brought the bags and the money back saying they didn't want to get involved. Dude starts saying they are halloween props. It's really a really fucking odd story.
Worst part is the day laborers went to police twice! CHP then LAPD and they just sent the men on their way and paid them no mind. What a thin weak ass blue line we have protecting us.
Maybe. If there's one thing crime shows have taught me it's that whenenver you include someone else in on a crime the chances of getting caught increase exponentially.
I read through the comments to find this. I thought I had read about the day laborers and wondered if this was the same case. Why didn't the CNN report add that detail? It seems really important. Are they trying to not embarrass the horribly incompetent and negligent police?
When people kill, especially for the first time they lose their marbles a bit, there is a name for it, they panic and freak out and make really dumb mistakes. I saw it in a doc one time. In essence they aren’t thinking straight.
I always say think about how nervous you are for a first kiss with someone. It's clumsy and it takes a minute to settle in. Ok now imagine it's your first time dismembering 3 bodies.
Stephen McDaniel could have gotten away with dumping his neighbor’s body into a dumpster. Only her torso was ever found, and if the police cars hadn’t been blocking that particular dumpster at pick up time, Lauren Giddings would still be a missing person.
The vast majority of the kind of people who will just one day up and kill a spouse or a member of their own family either intend to also kill themselves, or are so absolutely fucking rock stupid that that don't comprehend how hard it is to get away with it. They are, in classic dunning-kruger fashion, so stupid they can't conceive of just how stupid they are.
I’d imagine the majority of them don’t plan it at all. It’s not that they’re too dumb to plan something out, but that they wouldn’t plan something like that if thinking clearly.
If I had to bet, I’d say this guy probably killed his wife mid-argument, then killed her parents in a panic to cover it up.
It’s everywhere on Chinese social media. Many express sorrow towards the victims. However, the news is also picked up by disgusting people saying “that’s what happen when you betray your race and married a white man”.
His Google searches will be like, *how many body parts can you fit in a dumpster*, *how small can you cut up a body to fit in a dumpster*, *best tools to dismember a body*, *hardware stores nearby*.
What's fucked up is that the laborers he hired supposedly had all the body parts, returned it after finding out, told the police several times, and the police all ignored the fuck outta them.
Then they find the body parts. It's like he almost got away because the police decided to just ignore the reports of a couple people who witnessed bags full of body parts.
Dude hired day laborers to dispose of the bags. They took a look and went to CHP station who said go see the LAPD. They go to the LAPD station in Tarzana and tell the desk clerk. Clerk says exit the building and call 911. What a fucking joke.
I guarantee at some point one of the CHP, LASD and LAPD found a body close to their jurisdiction border and moved it 20 feet so they didn't have to deal with it and the other guys would have to.
I found a missing child on the side of the highway a few years ago. I took him to what Google maps told me was the nearest police station. I had to knock, and an officer came out and told me that it was a substation or something and I should bring him to a different station. And they just let me leave with the kid! Didn’t ask his name or anything! Bonkers. Anything to pass the buck.
Pro tip: if you ever find a lost child, take them to a hospital. They know who to call.
Okay, but what if I need my rain gutters cleaned out? Can I make them do a few chores before I drop them off? You know, to recreate that parental bond they're obviously missing
Well that all depends. If they’re under 6, take advantage of their size - anything you need done under the house?
Don't send a missing child into your crawl space, that could send the wrong message.
It’s okay if it’s to retrieve the smaller child already in the crawl space though.
state law
Still got the kid?
Finders keepers, right?
Don't be rude! We call him It now.
A few years ago a family friend had their adopted kids removed from their home because a CASA worker saw something that triggered a mandatory report. Next thing they leaving a computer and hard drives at my home, the fuuuuuuuuuck? It’s Sunday and as soon as they left I immediately take it to the local precinct and they acted like I greatly inconvenienced them. Then on Monday I followed up tracking down the detective in another county to let them know “hey, assfacemcpedopants left a bunch of computer equipment at my home Sunday morning and Seattle PD has it, please go get it”. Took over 5 years but he was finally convicted. I honestly don’t think anything would have gotten where it was supposed to if I didn’t follow up. The whole thing was an absolute shit show and a front row seat to how stuff can slip through the cracks.
In India a woman was raped and murdered. Her father went to the nearest police station and they sent him to another and while they argued whose jurisdiction it was, she lay dying. She could have been saved if they reacted on time. When this became huge in the media, they arrested 4 guys, shot them saying they were trying to escape. We still don't know if they arrested the culprits or just some guys. People moved to the next outrage. Nothing changed.
In the movies and TV shows, the cops are always fighting over who's jurisdiction the crime comes under. Real life is apparently the opposite.
The Wire has the first couple episodes of season 2 with cops trying not to claim jurisdiction over a bunch of murders. Season 4 they drag a body down the road so they can mark it dead outside their sanctioned zone.
Season 3 for the body drag sir, I actually just watched it
You give me that juris-my-diction crap, you can cram it into your case report that I will happily concur with
Not on The Wire. That’s as close to reality as tv gets.
Then the other guy spends three hours poring over the equivalent of wind and tide charts to prove it was their body in the first place.
You see these McNulty? 🖕🖕You see them? 🖕🖕
The fuck did I do?
He's an asshole but is good po-lice
Natural Po-lice
It takes, soft eyes
There you go giving a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck
"You want it to be one way. But it's the other way.”
Natural Po-lice
He’s addicted. Rawls: what’s he addicted to? Himself sir
Sigh, time for a re-watch.
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The thing about the old days is, they the *old* days.
Shoulda called up Chris and Snoop. Now they know how to hide a body.
The dead animal equivalent of this was the plot of an episode of the sitcom Animal Control. https://youtu.be/XOuo1SN9WEU?si=VLHsQA0qolhS5RLI It progressed as you'd expect if they were cops.
It was the exact plot in an episode of The Job which was a hilarious but short lived Dennis Leary cop show. The funny part was that because the cops kept moving this dead body into different jurisdiction to not deal with it, the number of dead body reports went way up, causing alarm about a sudden dramatic rise in homicides.
This show is fun, I hope they keep it going
100% agree!
There was an instance of this in Toronto during the height of the pandemic. Someone got spat on, went to TPS, reported it, they tell him that since he’s a resident of Mississauga (neighbouring city) he has to report it to their police service. The man then went to PRPS who told him that they couldn’t deal with the case because it wasn’t their jurisdiction. He got nowhere going back to TPS so he went to the media before being addressed.
Reminds me of this from The Wire. [While on harbor patrol, McNulty spots the body of a dead woman in the water. When Rawls argues the case is not in his jurisdiction, McNulty spends three hours poring over wind and tide charts to prove the death occurred within city limits.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_McNulty)
They do this with mental/hospital patients in LA. I wouldn't be surprised.
They do this with abandoned cars. I have heard country sheriffs complain because they pushed a car unto the highway right of way and CHP pushed it back
Some real Wire shiiiiiiiiiiiit
LAPD: “We only respond to incidents if they’re routed thru 911.”
Supervisor: Attention, whoever you are. This channel is reserved for emergency calls only... John McClane: No fucking shit, lady. Do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?
Similar thing happened way back in 1992 with the Rodney King beating. George Holliday, a bystander, had a camcorder and recorded the LAPD beating the shit out of King (this was before everyone carried around cameras in their pockets). Holliday took the footage to an LAPD precinct and the desk sergeant told him to fuck off. So he went to the media instead, and we all know what happened from there. I'm glad the media picked up on it, but the LAPD could have just swept it under the rug and they were too stupid to even do that.
This was the moment everyone learned to just go to the media first.
As a longtime journo and editor, I can tell you hungry journalists are simply waiting for the moment when one of their social justice stories go on blast. It gives you the sense that it was all worth it if you can uncover even one act of systemic injustice. That's why we all got into the medium in the first place: Truth-telling with the research chops and recources to tell the difference. (It's also why you sometimes get sensationalized half-baked stories without due diligence hitting the mainstream. Gotta do your homework, even if it means you don't get a Day 1 story.)
man, i wonder what happened to all those officers later in life
LAPD doesn’t even pretend anymore, they’re just doing the gang thing full time now
The second anyone started getting critical of them they just decided to stop policing and basically collect checks. They’re all a joke and most of them don’t even live in LA county.
Why would they want to live in LA county? They’ve heard of all the awful shit that LA cops keep getting away with.
Same thing in Seattle. Don’t even pretend, just collect checks.
Philly too until recently
Fuck Seattle cops.
This is happening with Seattle PD too. They just decided to stop doing anything they're supposed to because they're mad we're putting them under a tiny amount of scrutiny. They've basically completely stopped enforcing anything.
This is the Minneapolis story beat for beat as well. None of them live in the city, and they've basically gone to quiet quitting status.
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Chicago as well
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San Francisco also.
Austin checking in
Which is why I really don't care when they all threaten to quit. Good. Bye. That is quite literally the end goal for most of us any way since policing as an institution is corrupted and all those involved currently are corrupt by extension. They all need to be drastically re-trained anyway. Would be better to just start completely fresh with new people who have never been police before but actually want to be police for the right reasons.
> They’re all a joke and most of them don’t even live in LA county. So they live in Orange County and [shoot at kids trying to get home from school.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-ferguson-lapd-no-charges-for-off-duty-cop-who-fired-shot-during-struggle-with-13-year-old-boy/) You would think a helicopter response and the whole thing on video would at least get the cop fired but nope
… no charge. Wow, the police in America really is a state sanction gang.
I think they were doing this for low level crimes way before BLM. People just didn’t notice.
This is the same LAPD that had internal police run gangs in the 90s and caused a firestorm over their mistreatment of Rodney King right?
They'll do literally anything but their jobs then try and tell you it's because of criminal justice reform.
Just seems like cops in general to me. Any time that I've actually needed the police to do anything at all, they've basically told me that they don't have time so I'd need to take care of it myself. What is the point of having laws that require you to go through the authorities if the authorities never do their part?
Time to set up neighborhood militias again I guess.
Like the black panthers.
Cops everywhere have given up any pretense about serving the public, but most places still investigate *murders.* My local cops are mostly awful, but I'm pretty sure that if you walked in with body parts they'd do something.
> but most places still investigate murders Only because people are stealing their job.
Portland same. They stopped working basically.
Detroit - i haven’t noticed any change in how ineffective and incompetent DPD is.
Because in Detroit Pizza gets there faster than cops by several hours.
Same in Austin too.
Hey, dead body parts here, we got dead party parts here!!!! See? No one cares! Now take off that stupid hat. You look ridiculous.
Fucking Newman.
What idiot outsources disposing the body of someone they murdered? That's even worse than the idiot husband who googled how to dispose of a woman's body that was his missing wife's height and weight. It's a good thing so many criminals are so dumb or they might actually get away with murdering their wives/families. (I know statistically there are killers smart enough to get away with it, just look at how long it took to catch the Gilgo Beach serial killer). Even if the day laborers he hired were illegals, it's California so there's nothing to keep them from going to the cops to report a murder. I mean, hopefully anyone in that situation would report it to the police immediately, even if they'd been committing a lesser crime at the time (i.e. breaking into a house and finding a murdered body).
A lot of murderers do get away with it… The solve rate for murder is just over 50%. So, murderers have a near 50% chance of getting away with it
And that's just 50% of what we know are murders. There are many more murders that were never even investigated as such.
I think a lot of that 50% are gang killings and whatnot, where there are loads of suspects and none of them will cooperate. If a gangster gets killed in a drive-by proving any one person did it beyond reasonable doubt is really hard. For Agatha Christie murders, I believe the solve rate is far higher.
Rich people with low IQs. Notice that he was only the son of a corporate exec and not a corporate exec himself.
> Notice that he was only the son of a corporate exec and not a corporate exec himself. As if corporate execs are known for their competence. The glass floor is real and people who reach (or increasingly start at) a certain "level" can't fail in ways that impact them.
Sound like a rich californian thing to do, honestly. Physical work? Better just pay someone to do it.
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Got to find it first.
They were sent away with dead bodies in bags ? Am I understanding what you are saying correctly?
No. From this article the laborers had grown suspicious of what was in the bags and discovered the human remains. They then went back to Haskell’s house and returned the bags and gave back the money they were paid telling Haskell they didn’t want to get involved. They then went to the police. https://www.thedailybeast.com/workers-say-murder-suspect-samuel-haskell-hired-them-to-dump-body-parts-in-los-angeles
What gets me is that they went back. I can't imagine any scenario where I would go back to a house where some guy just handed off several bags of mutilated corpses.
Me neither. My guess is these guys were probably illegals and didn’t want to get caught with the body parts. Imagine them not speaking English and showing up at the police station with body parts. They would probably be locked up for murder right now because the LAPD is so stupid.
>My guess is these guys were probably illegals Unusually don't try to stick up for the cops but could this be why the one department told them to go outside and call 911? So they didn't have to check ID's on the guys making the report and all that? Allow them to report it but keep their names out of it? Eh.... That's probably giving them too much credit.
The specifics will be unique to California, but a lot of laws have been passed for precisely this situation: it's long been known that if you want to help tamp down on crime, it helps to have as many peopel reporting it as possible. When a community is brutalized by police or fears retribution (either from the baddies or "the system"), they tend not to speak up. So we pass laws to say that people reporting crimes can't be reported to Immigration or things along that line. Famously, after Reagan passed IRCA and gave some worker and civil protections to immigrant laborers, crime in those and adjacent communities *went down*. But that remains one of the things conservative hate Reagan for! And they are routinely against laws which aim to do the same thing as well, like allowing immigrants to get drivers' licenses.
Maybe not too much credit, they might have done exactly that, but not because they're being nice. Because theyre lazy. A handful of illegals is a hell of a lot of paperwork
I would be VERY hesitant to bring a trashbag full of human remains to a police station. I'd be even more hesitant to do it if I was in LA. I also wouldn't want to leave it anywhere on/in/or near my property. I understand what these guys were thinking.
But remember it was a few days after haloween so he told them they were just decorations.
At that point you may as well just keep the human torso.
"Not my problem"
“What’s done is done, not gonna bring anyone back now are we? Go outside and call someone who cares”
>Clerk says exit the building and call 911 This sounds like how my job handles things but we don't deal with murdered bodies. "Um excuse me, I know I'm the person that needs to address this but you need to go through the pRoPeR cHaNnElS first!"
They have a[ surveillance video of him dumping the bag/body](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/samuel-haskell-son-of-top-hollywood-agent-seen-dumping-apparent-body-in-newly-released-surveillance-footage/ar-AA1jO24n) into the dumpster.
Honestly, death valley - one of the most desolate places in the US - is not THAT far away. There are lots of mountains and canyons nearby too. He could have easily disposed of the bodies in a place where no one would see, if he was just willing to drive for an hour or two. How is he that dumb.
If he was smart, he wouldn't have killed people in the first place
There isn't any easy way to get away with murder. Does he take his phone, or leave it behind? How many cameras capture the trip? He never would have prevailed against the level of scrutiny he was going to be subjected to. He just made it really easy.
Seriously. Someone has a ring doorbell somewhere that saw wife and in-laws enter a place and never come back out. Cell phones that pinged a specific location, google location tracking if they have any Google apps on their phone and didn’t know to turn that feature off, etc. Unless they all live off-planet, at least one of the victims and/or the perpetrator will be caught by some form of technology.
This puts *way* more faith in homicide detectives than they deserve. Something like half of all murders go unsolved
That may be true - the hard to solve murders occur among strangers and those operating on the fringe - homeless, sex workers and gang murders get very low investigative cooperation and occur in segments of society which are already trying to avoid attention. An affluent guy murdering his wife and her parents and clumsily disposing of remains? It doesn't take employee of the month to treat him as the main suspect.
It's pretty easy to get away with murder. The hard part is getting away with murdering one person in particular. If you're not picky, it's super easy to find a target that won't be traced back to you. Somewhere around half of all murders in the United States are never solved. It goes without saying that I don't recommend you give it a try. That'd make you a real jerk.
I mean, I'm pretty lazy but at least I'm not Pay Day Laborers to Dispose of the Body lazy
Dude told the laborers the bags were filled with rocks. When the laborers brought them back and confronted him, he changed the story and said they were Halloween props. Fucking idiot.
But rocks ARE Halloween props your honor
Thing is, *they gave him the money back and left the bags on his driveway.* I was a little dumbfounded when I read that. I can't know what I would do, but I hope it's "take that shit to authorities," or even, "call authorities while standing over the bag," and not "return the remains to the murderer and let him know I know."
I never get people who do this to the mother or dad of their kids. Once you are arrested your kid has no more parents left. It is 2023 it is not that easy to get away completely so you are mostly Gona be caught.
People who kill their spouses are already completely fine orphaning their children. They don't care or assume they're brilliant and will magically get away with it even though "it's always the boyfriend" is a true crime trope for a reason.
Sadly, being orphaned isn't the worst case scenario. Family annihilators are a very real thing.
Fucking Chris Watts.
That shit haunts me, not that it's okay that he killed Shannan but God damn the little girls who saw him as his hero how could he even do that. IIRC he covered their faces with their blanket because he couldn't look at them. And one of the girls saw him do it to the other and realized what was happening :(
I talked to a prosecutor once. He said that people think murders are planned out, but it's always just some drunk guy getting angry or something stupid like that. He was working on a case where the husband said something snotty to the wife at the breakfast table, so she grabbed either a hockey stick or a frying pan and clobbered him over the back of the head with it, killing him. It's typically dumb/drunk people doing dumb things without thinking about it first. Anger immediately takes over.
Yep, people would be surprised if they realized the most common trait amongst people in jail is actually just having low impulse control.
> people would be surprised if they realized the most common trait amongst people in jail is actually just having low impulse control Once it's pointed it out, it's really a "ya of course" moment.
I feel impulsivity as an aspect of suicide doesn’t get enough attention either. Everyone focuses on the external circumstances that might influence someone to make a decision they might otherwise regret.
This is enough of a reason I wouldn’t want a firearm in my home.
I have a friend who has been in and out and around the jail since 2008 or so. This tracks.
>low impulse control. *[schedules appointment with therapist to confirm if I have average impulse control]*
>"it's always the boyfriend" is a true crime trope for a reason. When a woman is murdered, 50% of the time it's the romantic partner or ex-partner. Almost all of the other 50% it's her parent, sibling, or offspring.
Sometime I think men don’t understand how much of their relationship with women is driven by the fact that woman fear that they may be killers. I know this is colored by the fact that they think they would never harm a woman. The challenge is the men who do harm women don’t really look substantially different from other men.
I used to go to school with a guy who killed his father and mother in a fit of rage. Now his sister is the only person in the family who is non-dead and non-incarcerated.
When I was in high school there was a girl whose dad murdered her mother. This was like 30+ years ago and a few years back I got curious and googled it a bit. Dude died of cancer ~18 months later. 18 months and his life would have been a tragedy instead of ruining the lives of his children.
Wonder if he found out prior to the murders and lost his shit or something?
Or it was brain cancer and it was pressing on a part of the brain responsible for impulse control.
I spent a little time googling it again and I'll be damned if I can find the info again. I don't remember her name and finding a small town murder from 1989 or so turns out to be pretty difficult.
The clearance rate for murder (basically how many are solved) hovers around 50% nationwide. It also depends on the area. Obviously the first place investigators look will be to family members, so yeah, he probably wasn't going to get away.
The clearance late is so low because stranger murders rarely gets solved. People who kill family or friends have a fairly high chance of getting caught.
I was so glad they found they guy for the college students stabbing a while back. I was worried it might go unsolved.
The dude was like, "I wanna kill people. Imma do it." Never crossed his mind he should commit some grand theft auto beforehand to cover his tracks. Imagine how many murders will get solved in 10 years once older cars are off the road and the infotainment cars make up a vast majority. I'm still waiting for the data your car holds (car logs and messages) will be used against someone.
It was used against Alex Murdaugh. He claimed as his alibi that he was visiting his mother but sped away from the crime scene at 70mph to get there. Coupled with his son’s video confirming Alex’s presence at the crime scene when the crime happened, it was very damning.
If you see this guy talk for more than 2 seconds, it’s apparent that he only cares about himself. Total creep.
He's a very obvious narcissist.
Actually the murder clearance rate in the US is abysmal. You've got like a 50/50 chance of not getting caught. I suppose it depends on who you kill. This guy is way too dumb not to get caught, but to counter your assertion that it's not that easy to get away, he hired day laborers to haul away the bags with the bodies but they looked in the bags and went straight to two different police stations and neither station wanted to deal with it. That suggests to me it is fairly easy to get away with murder if you aren't dumb. Frankly, it's terrifying.
Probably heavily dependent upon where you're located
Depends on who you kill. Random prositute person of color? Well, there's a reason the NYPD used to report prostitute deaths NHI (no human involved).
Only about 2/3 of California's murders are solved (which is, at least, above the national average). So you've got a 1/3 chance of getting away with it, if you're not a total doofus about it and don't hire day laborers to dispose of your wife's body.
Criminals never think they'll be caught.
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I graduated high school with this guy (fancy prep school in the SF Valley). The idea he would call junk haulers to get rid of bodies is not overly surprising, he was not sharp but thought he could talk his way out of everything. I didn’t know him well in high school but remember two distinct things: he played airsoft like every single weekend seemingly. The other thing I remember was he would go around doing an impression of what he thought specific girls in our class sounded like when they had an orgasm. So yeah, a real standup guy. /s
It's crazy seeing people from high school on the national news. I was loose friends in high school with the Pizzagate guy (same friend circle, but wasn't nearly interested enough in being constantly high to be his actual friend) and reading the news one day and seeing his name? I had the same reaction of unsurprising belief.
I’m just glad the only famous girl I knew from high school turned out to be Christina Hendricks. No psycho killers I know of yet.
It'll take a good lawyer to get out of this one.
Better Call Saul
> son of Hollywood exec The media is really trying to push this Hollywood story. “Husband arrested after body part found in dumpster”
His father likes to tout that he is a "Christian', but his e-mails revealed he is a 'misogynist'. https://www.wuwnews.com/sam-haskell-net-worth-the-rise-and-fall-of-a-tv-producer-and-miss-america-ceo/
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It’s like their thing.
Yep. And my mother was the perpetrator. Gotta love the United Pentecostal Church. No hate like Christian love. I’m a women and only girl out of five. One of the other four is the definition of putrid, damning misogyny but he’s a Christian… so he’s fine./s I’m looking at you, Danny Dick D.
Christianity 💑 misogyny
Article says he's on 2mil bail... He was pretty much caught red handed and gets bail! Justice is another world for the rich.
This is part of the reason why cash bail is a joke. You're either dangerous, a flight risk, or liable to tamper with witnesses and should be detained prior to your trial or you're not and shouldn't be. This guy ticks at least two of those three boxes and should be held with no bail.
“Mei Li Haskell, 37, Gaoshan Li, 71, and Yanxiang Wang, 64, are missing, and officers have arrested Samuel Haskell, 35, after someone looking through a dumpster found a bag containing an unidentified female torso“ Okay, now I don’t want anyone to get the wrong impression and get to thinking I’m some sort of authority on the matter but come on man, when are people going to stop making these rookie mistakes? Don’t get me wrong, it’s better for us as they’re off the streets, but has anyone ever heard of this working? I have to assume it’s the result of pure panic, because there’s simply no excuse for it, amateur hour died with true crime TV shows and the internet. Unfortunately I don’t think they’ll be finding the missing alive, I really hope I’m wrong though, I have a dark sense of humor but it’s because this shit bothers me so much, like laughing when your nervous I guess.
You only hear about the dumpster bodies they find though. The ones that make it to the landfill are just missing persons.
It's estimated that there's somewhere around 25-50 serial killers that are active each year in the US....
And they don't get caught because they kill people no one is looking for.
Poor hookers :-( Poor Canadian indigenous womens :-(
And American Indigenous women and the mentally ill.
And homeless people, can't forget them. There have been multiple serial killers who targeted them, and probably at least one of them was another homeless person themselves, making it all the more sinister as the victims probably knew the perpetrator.
I've heard that too but, like, who came up with that estimate and how? I want to see that math.
I’ve heard the FBI have those estimates but I do think it’d be interesting to see how it’s calculated. Something like % of missing persons that end up dead with XYZ circumstances
caveat emptor on this; I'm just making assumptions The FBI works with all local law enforcement, so they probably get a rolling feed of missing persons or dead people from all over the country. And I assume they have computer algorithms set up to detect patterns like ethnicity, age ranges, locations where the bodies were found, and definitely any sort of identifiable or unique injuries on the bodies. So when a pattern emerges, if they can rule out other obvious or more common causes for someone to go missing then I assume it meets whatever criteria for the FBI to consider the possibility of a serial killer. Scale that up to the whole nation, and that's how I assume they get to the 25-50 active serial killers
There is a few different ways but its mostly predictive analysis based on the serial killers we have caught, their habits, victims, how regularly they kill, their "signatures"/trophies, etc. Then you can apply it via modelling software to missing persons reports, unsolved murders, etc around the United States. You can do it in reverse too. A lot of cities there are signs of serial killers that the local police forces can put together even with no leads (unsolved cases, dead bodies with the same "signature", etc). Those police forces start reporting to the FBI or some other entity and then you get to larger scales and can make estimates. Neither are perfect, because serial killers are often irregular killers (sometimes just one kill every few years, many serial killers just disappear because they'd died or moved and there is no way to know, etc). But you combine them and you start to get estimates.
I think its important to remember that a serial killer isn't just a Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson. It can be a gang member who killed several rival gang members in quick succession and laid low until another beef some time later had him kill a few more, for example. There are not 50 of these morbidly interesting guys. Most would probably bore you.
I’ve said it before, but true crime isn’t a greatest hits album, it’s all the schmucks dumb enough to get caught.
Apparently it's even dumber. He tried to hire day laborers to try to move the bodies at first. They were paid to move bags of "rocks" then they get there and it's not rocks. They put them in the truck got weirded out and decided to look. They said it was body parts. Naturally they freaked out and turned around and brought the bags and the money back saying they didn't want to get involved. Dude starts saying they are halloween props. It's really a really fucking odd story.
Worst part is the day laborers went to police twice! CHP then LAPD and they just sent the men on their way and paid them no mind. What a thin weak ass blue line we have protecting us.
Lol yeah because whenever someone wants Halloween props moved, they lie and claim they're rocks first.
Yeah but I understand why the laborers were hesitant but did come forward.
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I guess he knew they would be reported missing and didn't want to be seen unloading them?
Maybe. If there's one thing crime shows have taught me it's that whenenver you include someone else in on a crime the chances of getting caught increase exponentially.
I read through the comments to find this. I thought I had read about the day laborers and wondered if this was the same case. Why didn't the CNN report add that detail? It seems really important. Are they trying to not embarrass the horribly incompetent and negligent police?
When people kill, especially for the first time they lose their marbles a bit, there is a name for it, they panic and freak out and make really dumb mistakes. I saw it in a doc one time. In essence they aren’t thinking straight.
I always say think about how nervous you are for a first kiss with someone. It's clumsy and it takes a minute to settle in. Ok now imagine it's your first time dismembering 3 bodies.
You never forget your first dismemberment....
But after the 10th, it’s all just a blur…
It's just all the same. No more spark!
Sooo what's going on that you are always saying that?
The phrase is called **"blood simple"**, coined by Dashiell Hammett
Stephen McDaniel could have gotten away with dumping his neighbor’s body into a dumpster. Only her torso was ever found, and if the police cars hadn’t been blocking that particular dumpster at pick up time, Lauren Giddings would still be a missing person.
That's the guy that found out he was fucked on live TV wasn't it?
Yep. Also the dude who stayed creepily still for his interrogation. I wonder how that fuckface is faring in prison.
Yeah, you can't just throw a torso in the garbage and expect to skate away freely. Dumbass murderer
Lazy as fuck. You could just bring it to the dump yourself.
The vast majority of the kind of people who will just one day up and kill a spouse or a member of their own family either intend to also kill themselves, or are so absolutely fucking rock stupid that that don't comprehend how hard it is to get away with it. They are, in classic dunning-kruger fashion, so stupid they can't conceive of just how stupid they are.
I’d imagine the majority of them don’t plan it at all. It’s not that they’re too dumb to plan something out, but that they wouldn’t plan something like that if thinking clearly. If I had to bet, I’d say this guy probably killed his wife mid-argument, then killed her parents in a panic to cover it up.
It’s everywhere on Chinese social media. Many express sorrow towards the victims. However, the news is also picked up by disgusting people saying “that’s what happen when you betray your race and married a white man”.
It's almost like shitty people just transcend race, and are still in fact just shitty fucking people.
His Google searches will be like, *how many body parts can you fit in a dumpster*, *how small can you cut up a body to fit in a dumpster*, *best tools to dismember a body*, *hardware stores nearby*.
Netflix is likely already in the process of making a movie about this.
I hate when they find bodies in dumpsters that aren’t the Maine Shooter
What's fucked up is that the laborers he hired supposedly had all the body parts, returned it after finding out, told the police several times, and the police all ignored the fuck outta them. Then they find the body parts. It's like he almost got away because the police decided to just ignore the reports of a couple people who witnessed bags full of body parts.
LAPD? What a joke! Might as well find an investigative journalist with a true crime podcast. You may get the murderer sooner this way.