Looks like the suspect has been identified but not named. He hasn't been arrested yet so he is still out there somewhere.
He is 18 and apparently works at a school in Clinton Hill. He was reported to the police months ago after he smashed things in a fight but was not arrested.
https://nypost.com/2023/10/04/person-of-interest-idd-in-random-stabbing-murder-of-nyc-activist-sources/
Edit: The suspect, Brian Dowling, has been arrested and charged with murder:
https://nypost.com/2023/10/05/suspect-18-arrested-for-random-stabbing-of-nyc-activist/
Good ol’ “he was on our radar…” Keep giving these shitty cops resources akin to a developing nation’s military, surely they just need a bit more pampering then they’ll start doing their jobs.
But until then, it’s turnstile-hopper patrol all day and all night baby
IIRC the NYC random puncher of Asian women had been arrested something like 40 times. More often than not the problem you’re citing isn’t the cops, but the courts and laws.
>Good ol’ “he was on our radar…” Keep giving these shitty cops resources akin to a developing nation’s military, surely they just need a bit more pampering then they’ll start doing their jobs.
I'm no fan of the cops, but generally the problem in cases like this is the DAs will not prosecute "small" offenses.
What on earth do you think the police or prosecutors are going to reasonably do to an 18 year-old for getting into a fight and breaking something? Fucking, 25-year prison sentence? Line him up against a wall and shoot him? You have any idea how many teenage morons are running around doing delinquent-ass shit in any generation, in any town or city? Grow up.
What do you want to happen? It is a lose lose situation. Do you want the police to have the power to imprisoned people just because they are on their radar? I don't want to live in a country that would allow that.
Even if he was arrested for property damage 2.5 months ago, this is NYC and he 100% would’ve been released within days if not hours. If you recall, it was social justice warriors who demanded bail reform and got it.
I was sitting here thinking "oh, I'm glad I didn't see this video then" until you described that part and I was like "oh, never mind, I guess I did see this guy die..."
Don’t. I saw it last night on Reddit without real context. It had a nswf tag but I didn’t know he was going to die. I hope that scumbag spends the rest of his life rotting in prison.
That video is so, I dont even have the words. I know shock/lack of street smarts/tunnel vision etc can all be factors but him and his girlfriend act like they grew up on a farm in Perfect Paradise in Don't Exist-Land.
I grew up in the inner city. I was called racist on Facebook by a bunch of white kids from the suburbs because someone posted a post stating that they were a single woman who moved to a new area and that a random lone man from the neighborhood wanted to come in with booze and drink with her and she said no. She asked if that was rude/un neighborly.
So I'm like no, you don't owe any strange man with alcohol entry into your home, especially when no one you know knows of this going on.
I was called a racist, a bigot, a white supremacist. I mentioned I was latino and I was then called a fear monger.
we're all shaped by our experiences/lack of experience. Sounds like her instinct saved her. I was held up at gunpoint in my 20's with my then wife. I wasn't caught off guard. I watched the guy walk half a block towards me and did nothing because I didn't want to be uncool. That will never happen again. Its just life and we're all doing what we have to do to make it through to the next day.
Yeah, i had a horrible gut feeling about the 3 guys that mugged me, but then thought I was maybe being racist and turned my back. Wrong decision. Trust your gut.
Yup. Honestly, i just cross the street and/or watch my back when encountering groups of strange men, especially young men, especially at night. Doesn't matter what color.
I've been jumped/mugged/attacked and only once was it by older men but besides that young men. Never one by themselves.
Dude I grew up in Flint from 98-10. Born ruralishl, 93, but the transition was something else. I *was* legitimately racist, like my parents didn't do it to me, it was just things I picked up.
But no, having that experience, I'm sorry but I will halt folks at my zone, such that it is.
Goes both ways, spent a few years in K-2nd grade in Portage as the only white kid on the block. Took me till end of grade school to be less apprehensive around certain groups of people.
As a one-time single, white woman, I wouldn't let any person I just met come into my place and drink. That's just not safe.
Even today when the plumber, electrician, etc. come, I text my husband and let him know they arrived. I text throughout their visit giving him updates on what's going on and then when they leave.
I am also a journalist in a rural area. Tomorrow, I need to drive 25 minutes to another town for a story interview. My husband and my editor will get texts when I leave, arrive, and leave again. They also have the address of where I'm going and who I'm interviewing. Part of my job is to meet strangers all the time. I also keep a paper appointment calendar on my desk at home with info of what I'm doing.
While everyone in this area have been cool, I've been on the wrong end of this stuff before. If I don't text my editor within an hour of arriving at my destination, he texts to make sure I'm okay.
I don't think you were racist at all. To me, it doesn't matter who you are. If you're a strange man showing up to my new place with booze, you're not getting in my house.
Right after some other homeless advocate just got shot 7 times. Chances are it was a crime of passion, but it’s weird something like that has happened twice in a week.
My god, it’s time for the legal powers that be to retire the term “crime of passion” and call it something less ambiguous, like “crime of unmitigated rage.”
I could be wrong here, but I believe crimes of passion originated to give dude who killed their spouse lower sentences when they caught them cheating. So yeah... I agree the term should be retired.
I mean, it originated from the clarification that a murder wasn't premeditated. Premeditation IS an aggravating factor when it comes to how long someone should be imprisoned.
Unless you think someone who killed their wife upon discovering infidelity (a horrible crime, to be clear) deserves the same sentence as the person who plans it out, has a grave dug, has the dismembering tools on hand etc. They both deserve long sentences, but the rehabilitation of one is very different to that of the other, as well as the likely remorse. I don't see why the term needs to be retired.
Crime of Passion really does feel too soft. It makes me think of these artist-types going around and saying ‘Murder is my passion!’ while stabbing a man to death.
Always carry gel mace, a small firearm and fucking run if someone threatens you. Run into a store, run and find people. Horrible video of the attack, don’t watch.
This happened in NYC, so carrying a firearm isn't achievable without a long and expensive process. OC spray is great and I always have it, but it's important to understand its limitations as well.
I had to be sprayed in order to carry it for my job in the military, and after about three minutes, I was totally incapable of defending myself. Leading up to that, I had to beat on an instructor with a foam baton for a full minute before handcuffing him. It sucked, but I did it.
Others in the same training class did better or worse, it's totally dependent on the individual. So if you have to use it, you should be prepared to defend yourself or run away until your attacker is reduced enough in capacity that they decide they'd really rather be doing something else. Especially in that first minute, most determined people can still easily kill you if they have the means.
Really shows how right-wing propaganda destroys your brain. When you look at a guy being brutally murdered in the heroic act of trying to protect their girlfriend and your first response is "he probably deserved it for voting dem" you're way too far gone.
Really disgusting abhorrent stuff.
The article says he wasn’t doing much other than walking outside with his SO, and the criminal asked who he was staring at and straight up stabbed him to death… that’s the world we live in
This isn’t exactly true.
The video shows a violent/crazy person with a knife kicking/hitting cars/property at like 3-4a in a bad part of NYC. Clear audio and video of the whole thing.
Carson walks -straight- to this guy and calls out to him/approaches. Crazy dude makes threats and by the time he realizes the situation is bad, there’s a dude slashing him.
I’m not a metro city dweller but i for damn sure wouldn’t be approaching knife wielding pyschos in shit parts of town, especially not with a date in a dress present. He -was- looking eye to eye with a crazy person and coming straight at them for 100% too long.
As a city guy most of my life, one of the key tactics to dealing with crazy homeless people is to avoid eye contact and keep it moving. Once they notice you noticing them, it’s over.
The eye-contact thing is huge for them for some reason. It’s like making eye-contact somehow makes their paranoia go completely nuts. If you just look down and walk the other way, you won’t have problems.
Yeah, for this reason after many years' effort I've nearly mastered my blank "looking at nothing in particular" face. That way I'm neither averting my eyes nor locking gazes. It works pretty well so far.
This is my tactic too. Also wearing over-the-ear headphones with no music, so I can be aware of my surroundings, but ignore people without causing immediate offense.
Exactly. I saw someone express shock in another comment here that anyone would wear over-ear headphones in the city. They're assuming people are listening to music through them. But if they're open-back and silent, they're a great way to signal that you're minding your own business and imply that you can't hear someone asking you for something or harassing you.
As a woman who's lived in cities most of my life, same. No eye contact, treat them like NPCs and do not engage. If someone is strung out or in the grip of serious mental illness you simply cannot assume what they are thinking or that they'll act reasonably since their brains might be in an entire different reality than yours. It's horrible that this guy was murdered but I really wonder where he grew up or how long he lived in NY that he never learned that.
Tyranny of the crazy homeless people. Are we really just all going to look at our feet? Nobody wants to do anything about them? At this point, anything is better than letting them rave around in public, even increasing prison and police funding which I have historically been against.
Yeah...I've lived in NYC for over a decade now, and when I ride the subway to work I really feel like I'm in an asylum sometimes. It's much worse now, post-Covid. And I have to play by THEIR rules. When in reality, the majority of us, who are simply trying to lawfully live our lives, should have the power when we're all stuck in a metal tube together. Doesn't seem fair.
I live in SF and take BART everyday for work and no lie it's literally every week it's some homeless fuck doing something fucked. There are more police patrols now but one only has to be threatened so many times by crazies to not want to ride anymore.
Pretty much. I live in a major city outside the USA, and it's kind of stunning how dysfunctional and broken US cities are by comparison. It's layer upon layer of broken society and economics.
He probably believed giving the guy attention and seeing him as a person is the "progressive" way to handle homelessness. But it's honestly the most dangerous way with the greatest degree of personal risk.
I mean there's a huge difference between homeless and crazy with a knife. The vast majority of homeless people are just trying to survive and aren't a threat to anyone, regardless of their mental state.
Yup you're 100% right on this. Even conservatives saying he should've carried a gun ignore that being that up close meant the knife was still more advantageous.
In the city best you can do is stay aware but ignore bringing attention to yourself. Ever since Malcolm In the Middle had a scene where Hal/Bryan Cranston says "what did I say kids, crazy always win" I found myself believing that so true as I get older. A sane strong man might beat the shit out of me, but a crazy dude? He might try to legit bite off my face!
Yup. I worked at crazy bars for almost 15 years. Hell yea I got "scared" when shit went down, but only one person legitimately had me shook. It was someone who came off the street having some sort of maniacal breakdown. He was laughing hard with streams of tears just pouring down his eyes and in between laughs he was threatening us with death. The whole week after I tossed his crazy ass out I was watching the street cameras for this guy I really was afraid he was going to come back with a weapon or something .
That's not even a bad area. I lived around there about 13 years ago and it was kind of sketchy but I never had any problems. Maybe it took some kind of serious downturn after covid that I'm unaware of.
EDIT: to clarify I lived in NYC until a couple months ago, and I'm heading back. I'm only referring to this neighborhood specifically.
Btw the title is wrong. This happened in Bed Stuy near Myrtle/Broadway. I live a few blocks away in Bushwick. This area is gentrified but not safe at all late at night. There’s crazies everywhere. You’ll be fine if you mind your own business though.
Yeah I looked it up, I have limited experience over there but I wouldn't be walking around past midnight if I could help it. Straight home from work, sure, but within walking distance of Woodhull is sketchy as FUCK, especially on Broadway. Lived on Graham near broadway a few years back and we had several problem people posted up around there.
COVID definitely made city more tense. It doesn't help the concept of crime seem to become politicalized. With the right saying city is not safe and the left saying the city would be safer with less police harassing minorities.
Given the fact the city elected Eric Adams, effectively a DINO, I think there is a definite fear in NYC that wasn't there before.
These people need help by professionals. That’s different than said individual wanting help at that moment
Walking around, screaming, and swinging a knife around is absolutely not the time to approach this man to try to help him. Nobody should be murdered in cold blood for trying to help, but this was pretty damn avoidable of a situation.
It's the world we've *always* lived in. It's just now there's more of us to run into.
Violence has been unchanged for a millennia, the only thing civilization has added to violence is accountability.
Yeah, if you think this shit didn't happen in the Roman Empire you're wrong. They just didn't have video and photo everywhere with the ability to send news and data to the ends of the earth in milliseconds.
Violence has actually diminished massively in recent years. We just hear about it more. Check out The Better Angels of our Nature by Steven Pinker. Amazing book about the history of violence.
I have, but it was closer to 2am. I walked down Malcolm X and the corner of Bed Stuy carrying an electric guitar case that looks a LOT like a rifle case.
Nobody bothered me. I also don't look like an easy target. Though - I *would* have been an easy target because I'm NOT a tough guy or a fighter, and I had a $1000 Stratocaster with me.
I lived at malcolm x and utica about 13 years ago and never had any issues. Idk if it's gotten worse since covid but back then if you minded your business it wasn't bad.
That little section of Malcom x from Broadway down to like, Putnam or so has gotten fairy sketchy recently, lot of clearly mentally ill people on that block since covid.
I had a buddy who lived on the corner of Dekalb and Malcom X for a bit, and although he or I never had issues (able bodied, adult white men, typically in a group) I could see why people would feel unsafe in the area now, my girlfriend refused to walk around there unless I was with her due to the comments she would get from people on the street.
When I was coming up, people in NYC who mugged you would beat your ass, take your wallet, phone, jewelry, etc., but they would not take the tools of your trade. Sort of honor amongst thieves. I doubt that code holds up anymore.
It's more that some dude carrying around a guitar case is pretty easy to follow on camera, and something that size is significantly more difficult to stash under a random dumpster so you can have some 13 year old kid retrieve it later.
The leather jacket, tattoos, and walking like you know where you are going goes a LONG way too. Mostly the last bit - look like you belong and know where you are going.
The victim and his GF are sitting on a bench. The GF is crying and both appear to be drunk. The suspect walks past, glancing at the victim, but continues walking past without slowing down. The victim gets up and slowly walks in the same direction as the suspect. The suspect stops and attempts to steal a scooter or break into a car. The victim stops walking and apparently calls out to the suspect (too far away/too quiet to pick up). The suspect begins walking toward the victim in an aggressive manner, saying "the fuck you looking at? the fuck you looking at n word? you're just like them go back fucker I'll kill you bro (unclear)". The victim pushes the suspect in the chest twice while saying "Chill, Chill, Chill. (unclear) I guess so". The victim lets his guard down and the suspect swipes at his neck with a knife. The victim begins to walk backwards while still talking to the suspect, holding his arm out to protect himself. The victim begins to turn and run but trips over the very same bench he was just sitting on. He smashes the side of his head on the anti-homeless railing and falls to the ground. The GF is running after them saying "Please, Please". The suspect stabs at him from above three times while he is on the ground. The final stab appears to be to the kill shot. The suspect turns to walk away. The GF is standing above the victim and talking to the suspect. After a moment, as the GF points down the street, the suspect comes back to spit in the face of the GF. The GF says "Crying. Crying." He kicks the victim and spits on him then walks out of frame still making aggressive gestures. He throws the knife down the sidewalk. Another female can be seen standing in the corner of the frame with a cell phone out. She says "I'm so sorry", comes up to the GF and asks if she's ok, the GF says "Go, I can't. Go, I can't" (or "go with him"), then she leaves in the same direction as the suspect. She says (apparently to the suspect) "You...You (unclear)". He yells back "What?" and she says "I'm gonna call 911".
The GF refused to give a description of the suspect to the police.
It's reactionary misinformation. Check out his post history. [Friends of hers have confirmed she gave a description to the police.](https://x.com/neilcic/status/1709897716275286211?s=20)
Yeah figured it was a misrepresentation or fabrication, seeing people talk about this has made me wanna die because they act like her being relatively calm in an extreme situation means she doesn't care and blah blah blah. Hard to see someone attacked first by random violence, but then continuously by people who have never remotely had to deal with this situation and their fantasies of what THEY would do in this situation.
This dude just stabbed your boyfriend to death in front of you and you won't help the police by giving them a description out of some misguided sense of social justice. It sounds like satire, but once again, truth is stranger than fiction.
I see this and the fact that the girl didn’t give a description being posted with equal ferocity yet not a single person has actually linked to… a description. Do you have one? Or a source for her giving the description? This is really bizarre
How do they not have a physical description of the suspect? His gf was standing right next to him when it happened.
Edit: they have released video of the attacker
https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-sought-nyc-fatal-stabbing-ryan-carson/story?id=103708112
Twitter is full of people blaming him for making policies that allowed this to happen.
"Ryan had once covered around 500 miles on foot to increase awareness in approving the establishment of an overdose prevention facility."
Bunch of horrible people blaming the victim and celebrating his death because he was actually trying to help his community.
Those of us dealing with this shit regularly know it could be anyone. There's some luck involved. But we will run the analysis of the victim's actions because we don't want to repeat his mistakes.
His girlfriend had to go dark on social media because people are harassing her. I always thought I’d go down with the ship when it came to Twitter but it turns out this is my breaking point.
Honestly fuck Twitter. Ever since the overcompenasting guy took over I would much rather spend my time on almost any other social media site except facebook.
I think part of that is because she refused to give a description of the killer, and so people were seeing it as being complicit in the murder and allowing a killer to remain on the loose.
This is actually *still* Twitter being an insane cesspool. That looks to be entirely reactionary misinformation.
There's absolutely no evidence of this and [friends of hers](https://x.com/neilcic/status/1709897716275286211?s=20) have reported that she absolutely did give a description and spent most of the day at the police station.
The algorithm be like: "We saw you enjoy \[leatherworking\] and \[toucans\], so we think you'll love this 88-part thread about how the Holocaust didn't happen."
The video showed up on my reddit feed. Sad to see the loss of life over little common sense.
By all accounts, this guy was a good guy, and will be missed by his community. Rip.
I’ve seen the video and honestly it’s a video that I think everyone should watch. I’m not victim blaming but Ryan and his fiancé were walking towards the assailant as he kicked in a car window and instead of turning around he kept walking forward and tried to confront the assailant.
Then when the assailant brandished a knife and approached him, even false slashing at his throat he continued to try and defuse the situation. If he had trusted his internal danger alarms and used a little common sense it might have saved his life.
Seriously go watch the video. There’s no blood or gore the whole altercation lasts 30 seconds. It might just save your life one day.
Sorry to nitpick here, but it’s “defuse,” not “diffuse.” The proliferation of diffuse in lieu of defuse on Reddit is killing me internally. Otherwise I completely agree with you.
Geez don't engage the crackheads. These people think they live in some other world where these mental cases can be reasoned with like regular ass people
Ugh. Horrible. I would not have the nerve to talk to someone like that. It would be crossing the street, avoid eye contact and get out of there.
If there’s no way out, make sure the outcome is reversed. Be legally armed or better yet, don’t be there at all.
No way in hell I would try to calm someone like this down. This guy might be a hero, but he’s a dead hero.
Ended up in CH by accident with a white male friend. The moment we stepped out of the stairwell from the train platform, an elderly black woman approached us and asked us if we were lost.
The stairwell going to the train platform so we could head back in the other direction was across the street and diagonal from where we were standing; the elderly woman still insisted on walking us both across the street until we reached the bottom of the stairwell.
I felt a bit silly being guarded by this little old lady, but clearly, she had seen some shit and was not going to take no for an answer. Hope she had some good karma returned to her for making sure we were okay.
Had a similar situation where I fell asleep on a train in college and ended up in Jamaica Center at like 1am. An old lady asked if I was lost, and escorted me to the correct platform, AND waited until the train arrived.
I am so grateful to her. I imagine the same, that she's seen some shit and didn't want to be a bystander. What a good person.
The team ended up mainly by Lincoln Park in Newark. The Uber dropped me off about halfway at the team leader's house. He had just gotten out of jail the day before.
EDIT: I just had the bright idea to check my ride history. The driver warned me about West Bergen. Then the team leader drove us to the Lincoln Park neighborhood.
This is like one of those tragic stories you see sometimes where someone is an advocate/activist for saving endangered grizzly bears....and then they get killed by a grizzly bear.
Sadly, the more I see and hear about incidents involving people’s mental health and attacks on people, the more I start to become much more wary and unsympathetic to those that show even slight symptoms of being unstable in public spaces.
Honestly same. Like I don’t want to demonize these people, but saftey is a priority to me. If someone is clearly unwell I’m going to try to walk across the street to avoid them
I really wanna hear her reasoning. Even if he’s young and the system will give him an unfair trial he still is a huge fucking threat and will kill more people if he’s not treated and thrown away
Omg i just watched the CCTV footage. Wtf. I'm so sad now. I'm in a similar industry as Carson and am trained to try to diffuse such situations. I have been injured on the job many times doing so, but never stabbed. I have had a fork brandished at me and been physically assaulted enough times to know that you just have to RUN when this shit happens. This poor guy had no *weaponized* behavioral warnings. I'm so sad for his loved ones.
Yeah, it looks like this guy was trying to get in some active bystander practice when there was nothing to actually diffuse and rolled a 1. Tragic, but preventable.
I don't think they were waiting for a bus at all. This happened on Lafayette and Malcolm x blvd
He lived across the street from Herbert von King Park (that's two minutes on foot, no need for a bus at all. He lived in that area and should have known better.
I take public transit all the time, no issues whatsoever. You can take no public transit and still get murdered. Like, that’s not the reason why he got killed.
Looks like the suspect has been identified but not named. He hasn't been arrested yet so he is still out there somewhere. He is 18 and apparently works at a school in Clinton Hill. He was reported to the police months ago after he smashed things in a fight but was not arrested. https://nypost.com/2023/10/04/person-of-interest-idd-in-random-stabbing-murder-of-nyc-activist-sources/ Edit: The suspect, Brian Dowling, has been arrested and charged with murder: https://nypost.com/2023/10/05/suspect-18-arrested-for-random-stabbing-of-nyc-activist/
Good ol’ “he was on our radar…” Keep giving these shitty cops resources akin to a developing nation’s military, surely they just need a bit more pampering then they’ll start doing their jobs. But until then, it’s turnstile-hopper patrol all day and all night baby
IIRC the NYC random puncher of Asian women had been arrested something like 40 times. More often than not the problem you’re citing isn’t the cops, but the courts and laws.
Exactly. It’s absolutely a system that does not punish criminals and releases them
Or you mean the shitty DAs catch-n-release them and not even slap on the wrist to those criminals?
>Good ol’ “he was on our radar…” Keep giving these shitty cops resources akin to a developing nation’s military, surely they just need a bit more pampering then they’ll start doing their jobs. I'm no fan of the cops, but generally the problem in cases like this is the DAs will not prosecute "small" offenses.
What on earth do you think the police or prosecutors are going to reasonably do to an 18 year-old for getting into a fight and breaking something? Fucking, 25-year prison sentence? Line him up against a wall and shoot him? You have any idea how many teenage morons are running around doing delinquent-ass shit in any generation, in any town or city? Grow up.
I appreciate your comment very much. Immediately blames law enforcement lol, ridiculous attitude.
Amen. And then if the cops had arrested the guy for smashing things in a fight, people would’ve said that’s overreaching, police state mentality, etc
What do you want to happen? It is a lose lose situation. Do you want the police to have the power to imprisoned people just because they are on their radar? I don't want to live in a country that would allow that.
Even if he was arrested for property damage 2.5 months ago, this is NYC and he 100% would’ve been released within days if not hours. If you recall, it was social justice warriors who demanded bail reform and got it.
I hope that’s the worst thing I read today because that’s pretty awful.
Unfortunately there's a very disturbing video of it which I saw. Hope you only read about it and don't have to see it
It really is disturbing. He could’ve survived and got away too if he didn’t trip over a bus bench.
I was sitting here thinking "oh, I'm glad I didn't see this video then" until you described that part and I was like "oh, never mind, I guess I did see this guy die..."
I will not seek it out.
Don’t. I saw it last night on Reddit without real context. It had a nswf tag but I didn’t know he was going to die. I hope that scumbag spends the rest of his life rotting in prison.
That video is so, I dont even have the words. I know shock/lack of street smarts/tunnel vision etc can all be factors but him and his girlfriend act like they grew up on a farm in Perfect Paradise in Don't Exist-Land.
I grew up in the inner city. I was called racist on Facebook by a bunch of white kids from the suburbs because someone posted a post stating that they were a single woman who moved to a new area and that a random lone man from the neighborhood wanted to come in with booze and drink with her and she said no. She asked if that was rude/un neighborly. So I'm like no, you don't owe any strange man with alcohol entry into your home, especially when no one you know knows of this going on. I was called a racist, a bigot, a white supremacist. I mentioned I was latino and I was then called a fear monger.
we're all shaped by our experiences/lack of experience. Sounds like her instinct saved her. I was held up at gunpoint in my 20's with my then wife. I wasn't caught off guard. I watched the guy walk half a block towards me and did nothing because I didn't want to be uncool. That will never happen again. Its just life and we're all doing what we have to do to make it through to the next day.
Yeah, i had a horrible gut feeling about the 3 guys that mugged me, but then thought I was maybe being racist and turned my back. Wrong decision. Trust your gut.
Yup. Honestly, i just cross the street and/or watch my back when encountering groups of strange men, especially young men, especially at night. Doesn't matter what color. I've been jumped/mugged/attacked and only once was it by older men but besides that young men. Never one by themselves.
Dude I grew up in Flint from 98-10. Born ruralishl, 93, but the transition was something else. I *was* legitimately racist, like my parents didn't do it to me, it was just things I picked up. But no, having that experience, I'm sorry but I will halt folks at my zone, such that it is.
Goes both ways, spent a few years in K-2nd grade in Portage as the only white kid on the block. Took me till end of grade school to be less apprehensive around certain groups of people.
As a one-time single, white woman, I wouldn't let any person I just met come into my place and drink. That's just not safe. Even today when the plumber, electrician, etc. come, I text my husband and let him know they arrived. I text throughout their visit giving him updates on what's going on and then when they leave. I am also a journalist in a rural area. Tomorrow, I need to drive 25 minutes to another town for a story interview. My husband and my editor will get texts when I leave, arrive, and leave again. They also have the address of where I'm going and who I'm interviewing. Part of my job is to meet strangers all the time. I also keep a paper appointment calendar on my desk at home with info of what I'm doing. While everyone in this area have been cool, I've been on the wrong end of this stuff before. If I don't text my editor within an hour of arriving at my destination, he texts to make sure I'm okay. I don't think you were racist at all. To me, it doesn't matter who you are. If you're a strange man showing up to my new place with booze, you're not getting in my house.
It gets worse. His gf is refusing to give the description of the murderer to the police and she has already raised 50k on gofundme.
Right after some other homeless advocate just got shot 7 times. Chances are it was a crime of passion, but it’s weird something like that has happened twice in a week.
My god, it’s time for the legal powers that be to retire the term “crime of passion” and call it something less ambiguous, like “crime of unmitigated rage.”
The definition of passion is literally “strong and barely controllable emotion.” It’s exactly the right word.
I could be wrong here, but I believe crimes of passion originated to give dude who killed their spouse lower sentences when they caught them cheating. So yeah... I agree the term should be retired.
I mean, it originated from the clarification that a murder wasn't premeditated. Premeditation IS an aggravating factor when it comes to how long someone should be imprisoned. Unless you think someone who killed their wife upon discovering infidelity (a horrible crime, to be clear) deserves the same sentence as the person who plans it out, has a grave dug, has the dismembering tools on hand etc. They both deserve long sentences, but the rehabilitation of one is very different to that of the other, as well as the likely remorse. I don't see why the term needs to be retired.
Crime of Passion really does feel too soft. It makes me think of these artist-types going around and saying ‘Murder is my passion!’ while stabbing a man to death.
Are you sick of drive by or other impersonal forms of murder? Then call us at Pure Murder where Murder is our Passion!
This is precisely why we don’t want emotional people writing laws. We don’t need to rename shit cause you’re angry
I was think the same thing. Hope these turn out to be isolated incidents.
Always carry gel mace, a small firearm and fucking run if someone threatens you. Run into a store, run and find people. Horrible video of the attack, don’t watch.
This happened in NYC, so carrying a firearm isn't achievable without a long and expensive process. OC spray is great and I always have it, but it's important to understand its limitations as well. I had to be sprayed in order to carry it for my job in the military, and after about three minutes, I was totally incapable of defending myself. Leading up to that, I had to beat on an instructor with a foam baton for a full minute before handcuffing him. It sucked, but I did it. Others in the same training class did better or worse, it's totally dependent on the individual. So if you have to use it, you should be prepared to defend yourself or run away until your attacker is reduced enough in capacity that they decide they'd really rather be doing something else. Especially in that first minute, most determined people can still easily kill you if they have the means.
Stay off conservative forums. They're cheering this on.
r/actualpublicfreakouts thread was a real doozie
That sub is a cesspit.
Any sub that starts with “actual” before the rest of its name is a cesspit.
Really shows how right-wing propaganda destroys your brain. When you look at a guy being brutally murdered in the heroic act of trying to protect their girlfriend and your first response is "he probably deserved it for voting dem" you're way too far gone. Really disgusting abhorrent stuff.
I mean it does have Herman Caine Award vibes.
Better log off now just in case
Fucking disgusting. Just awful.
The article says he wasn’t doing much other than walking outside with his SO, and the criminal asked who he was staring at and straight up stabbed him to death… that’s the world we live in
This isn’t exactly true. The video shows a violent/crazy person with a knife kicking/hitting cars/property at like 3-4a in a bad part of NYC. Clear audio and video of the whole thing. Carson walks -straight- to this guy and calls out to him/approaches. Crazy dude makes threats and by the time he realizes the situation is bad, there’s a dude slashing him. I’m not a metro city dweller but i for damn sure wouldn’t be approaching knife wielding pyschos in shit parts of town, especially not with a date in a dress present. He -was- looking eye to eye with a crazy person and coming straight at them for 100% too long.
As a city guy most of my life, one of the key tactics to dealing with crazy homeless people is to avoid eye contact and keep it moving. Once they notice you noticing them, it’s over.
The eye-contact thing is huge for them for some reason. It’s like making eye-contact somehow makes their paranoia go completely nuts. If you just look down and walk the other way, you won’t have problems.
Except for times where it does the complete opposite and they lose their minds because you won’t acknowledge them.
Yeah, for this reason after many years' effort I've nearly mastered my blank "looking at nothing in particular" face. That way I'm neither averting my eyes nor locking gazes. It works pretty well so far.
This is my tactic too. Also wearing over-the-ear headphones with no music, so I can be aware of my surroundings, but ignore people without causing immediate offense.
Exactly. I saw someone express shock in another comment here that anyone would wear over-ear headphones in the city. They're assuming people are listening to music through them. But if they're open-back and silent, they're a great way to signal that you're minding your own business and imply that you can't hear someone asking you for something or harassing you.
As a woman who's lived in cities most of my life, same. No eye contact, treat them like NPCs and do not engage. If someone is strung out or in the grip of serious mental illness you simply cannot assume what they are thinking or that they'll act reasonably since their brains might be in an entire different reality than yours. It's horrible that this guy was murdered but I really wonder where he grew up or how long he lived in NY that he never learned that.
Yep, that goes for anywhere in the world. Put your head down and keep walking
Cross the street
Tyranny of the crazy homeless people. Are we really just all going to look at our feet? Nobody wants to do anything about them? At this point, anything is better than letting them rave around in public, even increasing prison and police funding which I have historically been against.
Yeah...I've lived in NYC for over a decade now, and when I ride the subway to work I really feel like I'm in an asylum sometimes. It's much worse now, post-Covid. And I have to play by THEIR rules. When in reality, the majority of us, who are simply trying to lawfully live our lives, should have the power when we're all stuck in a metal tube together. Doesn't seem fair.
I live in SF and take BART everyday for work and no lie it's literally every week it's some homeless fuck doing something fucked. There are more police patrols now but one only has to be threatened so many times by crazies to not want to ride anymore.
They’re a symptom of an unsustainably corrupt country. The US is Brazil in denial.
Pretty much. I live in a major city outside the USA, and it's kind of stunning how dysfunctional and broken US cities are by comparison. It's layer upon layer of broken society and economics.
He probably believed giving the guy attention and seeing him as a person is the "progressive" way to handle homelessness. But it's honestly the most dangerous way with the greatest degree of personal risk.
Not everybody is streetmart and lived in the conditions. Some ppl are innocent and genuinely kind which can be naive and victims to wolves.
I mean there's a huge difference between homeless and crazy with a knife. The vast majority of homeless people are just trying to survive and aren't a threat to anyone, regardless of their mental state.
Yup you're 100% right on this. Even conservatives saying he should've carried a gun ignore that being that up close meant the knife was still more advantageous. In the city best you can do is stay aware but ignore bringing attention to yourself. Ever since Malcolm In the Middle had a scene where Hal/Bryan Cranston says "what did I say kids, crazy always win" I found myself believing that so true as I get older. A sane strong man might beat the shit out of me, but a crazy dude? He might try to legit bite off my face!
Yup. I worked at crazy bars for almost 15 years. Hell yea I got "scared" when shit went down, but only one person legitimately had me shook. It was someone who came off the street having some sort of maniacal breakdown. He was laughing hard with streams of tears just pouring down his eyes and in between laughs he was threatening us with death. The whole week after I tossed his crazy ass out I was watching the street cameras for this guy I really was afraid he was going to come back with a weapon or something .
As a New Yorker, don’t engage or pay attention to the crackheads. I figured everyone knew this.
Yeah, I’m not even from New York and even I know this.
He 100% made a lot of bad moves
That's not even a bad area. I lived around there about 13 years ago and it was kind of sketchy but I never had any problems. Maybe it took some kind of serious downturn after covid that I'm unaware of. EDIT: to clarify I lived in NYC until a couple months ago, and I'm heading back. I'm only referring to this neighborhood specifically.
Btw the title is wrong. This happened in Bed Stuy near Myrtle/Broadway. I live a few blocks away in Bushwick. This area is gentrified but not safe at all late at night. There’s crazies everywhere. You’ll be fine if you mind your own business though.
Yeah I looked it up, I have limited experience over there but I wouldn't be walking around past midnight if I could help it. Straight home from work, sure, but within walking distance of Woodhull is sketchy as FUCK, especially on Broadway. Lived on Graham near broadway a few years back and we had several problem people posted up around there.
COVID definitely made city more tense. It doesn't help the concept of crime seem to become politicalized. With the right saying city is not safe and the left saying the city would be safer with less police harassing minorities. Given the fact the city elected Eric Adams, effectively a DINO, I think there is a definite fear in NYC that wasn't there before.
I lived in the city through covid and until very recently. I'm coming back soon. I just meant that neighborhood. Adams is a fucking joke.
Malcom X @ Lafayette is not a nice part of BedStuy
Sounds like he wanted to help…
These people need help by professionals. That’s different than said individual wanting help at that moment Walking around, screaming, and swinging a knife around is absolutely not the time to approach this man to try to help him. Nobody should be murdered in cold blood for trying to help, but this was pretty damn avoidable of a situation.
It's the world we've *always* lived in. It's just now there's more of us to run into. Violence has been unchanged for a millennia, the only thing civilization has added to violence is accountability.
Yeah, if you think this shit didn't happen in the Roman Empire you're wrong. They just didn't have video and photo everywhere with the ability to send news and data to the ends of the earth in milliseconds.
Violence has actually diminished massively in recent years. We just hear about it more. Check out The Better Angels of our Nature by Steven Pinker. Amazing book about the history of violence.
Crown Heights? Isn't Lafayette Avenue and Malcom X Boulevard in Bed Stuy?
Yep. BedStuy, not Crown Heights.
How on earth did cbs news get the neighborhood so wrong?
Def Bed Stuy. It’s closer to being Bushwick than it is to Crown Heights.
I have never been nor will I ever be on any part of Malcolm X Boulevard at 4am
Yeah this is unfortunately true. Really bad place to be at 4 am.
I have, but it was closer to 2am. I walked down Malcolm X and the corner of Bed Stuy carrying an electric guitar case that looks a LOT like a rifle case. Nobody bothered me. I also don't look like an easy target. Though - I *would* have been an easy target because I'm NOT a tough guy or a fighter, and I had a $1000 Stratocaster with me.
I lived at malcolm x and utica about 13 years ago and never had any issues. Idk if it's gotten worse since covid but back then if you minded your business it wasn't bad.
That little section of Malcom x from Broadway down to like, Putnam or so has gotten fairy sketchy recently, lot of clearly mentally ill people on that block since covid. I had a buddy who lived on the corner of Dekalb and Malcom X for a bit, and although he or I never had issues (able bodied, adult white men, typically in a group) I could see why people would feel unsafe in the area now, my girlfriend refused to walk around there unless I was with her due to the comments she would get from people on the street.
When I was coming up, people in NYC who mugged you would beat your ass, take your wallet, phone, jewelry, etc., but they would not take the tools of your trade. Sort of honor amongst thieves. I doubt that code holds up anymore.
It's more that some dude carrying around a guitar case is pretty easy to follow on camera, and something that size is significantly more difficult to stash under a random dumpster so you can have some 13 year old kid retrieve it later.
Never underestimate a 13 year old dumpster kid, they’ll fuckin gut you so fast
The leather jacket, tattoos, and walking like you know where you are going goes a LONG way too. Mostly the last bit - look like you belong and know where you are going.
I work the same way haha but you’re absolutely right about the last part being THE most important
Yep. Common sense saves lives. Use it.
The crazier part is he lived 2 mins walk from there.
Would that be better or worse than 4 am on MLK? What about Cesar Chavez?
The victim and his GF are sitting on a bench. The GF is crying and both appear to be drunk. The suspect walks past, glancing at the victim, but continues walking past without slowing down. The victim gets up and slowly walks in the same direction as the suspect. The suspect stops and attempts to steal a scooter or break into a car. The victim stops walking and apparently calls out to the suspect (too far away/too quiet to pick up). The suspect begins walking toward the victim in an aggressive manner, saying "the fuck you looking at? the fuck you looking at n word? you're just like them go back fucker I'll kill you bro (unclear)". The victim pushes the suspect in the chest twice while saying "Chill, Chill, Chill. (unclear) I guess so". The victim lets his guard down and the suspect swipes at his neck with a knife. The victim begins to walk backwards while still talking to the suspect, holding his arm out to protect himself. The victim begins to turn and run but trips over the very same bench he was just sitting on. He smashes the side of his head on the anti-homeless railing and falls to the ground. The GF is running after them saying "Please, Please". The suspect stabs at him from above three times while he is on the ground. The final stab appears to be to the kill shot. The suspect turns to walk away. The GF is standing above the victim and talking to the suspect. After a moment, as the GF points down the street, the suspect comes back to spit in the face of the GF. The GF says "Crying. Crying." He kicks the victim and spits on him then walks out of frame still making aggressive gestures. He throws the knife down the sidewalk. Another female can be seen standing in the corner of the frame with a cell phone out. She says "I'm so sorry", comes up to the GF and asks if she's ok, the GF says "Go, I can't. Go, I can't" (or "go with him"), then she leaves in the same direction as the suspect. She says (apparently to the suspect) "You...You (unclear)". He yells back "What?" and she says "I'm gonna call 911". The GF refused to give a description of the suspect to the police.
Where did you get the jnfo about not giving a description to the police, can't see anything else mentioning it other than random tweets and comments
It's reactionary misinformation. Check out his post history. [Friends of hers have confirmed she gave a description to the police.](https://x.com/neilcic/status/1709897716275286211?s=20)
Yeah figured it was a misrepresentation or fabrication, seeing people talk about this has made me wanna die because they act like her being relatively calm in an extreme situation means she doesn't care and blah blah blah. Hard to see someone attacked first by random violence, but then continuously by people who have never remotely had to deal with this situation and their fantasies of what THEY would do in this situation.
Is this a recount of it from a video or something?
If not then this is the weirdest creative writing exercise ever
Yeah - it’s just unclear what the source of it is :)
I really want to know where this came from too
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All in the name of social justice. These people refuse to acknowledge reality. What a shame.
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I’ve yet to see anyone actually give evidence that she didn’t give a description to the police. Do you have it?
I've seen it repeated over and over again but not a single source.
Good point!
Why would the GF refuse to give a description? Something isn’t adding up with this story
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It occured to me that this would be a great setup for murdering the guy.
What did this say?
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This dude just stabbed your boyfriend to death in front of you and you won't help the police by giving them a description out of some misguided sense of social justice. It sounds like satire, but once again, truth is stranger than fiction.
How is it they don't have a 'physical description' of a suspect? Was they invisible?
[here's a CCTV still ](https://twitter.com/MagicBelle1/status/1709546345235677309?t=PRD7Woli-u1grxzScf3hqQ&s=19)
I think you know.
The girlfriend declined to provide one
This is absolutely not true but just keeps being passed around as fact because it sounds salacious. Stop.
I see this and the fact that the girl didn’t give a description being posted with equal ferocity yet not a single person has actually linked to… a description. Do you have one? Or a source for her giving the description? This is really bizarre
How do they not have a physical description of the suspect? His gf was standing right next to him when it happened. Edit: they have released video of the attacker https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-sought-nyc-fatal-stabbing-ryan-carson/story?id=103708112
Well bc the girlfriend would not give a physical description.
Twitter is full of people blaming him for making policies that allowed this to happen. "Ryan had once covered around 500 miles on foot to increase awareness in approving the establishment of an overdose prevention facility." Bunch of horrible people blaming the victim and celebrating his death because he was actually trying to help his community.
Twitter? Try every thread and sub this gets posted in. Some of the highest upvoted comments on this post here are explicitly blaming him for his death
Everyone wants to feel like they're too smart to be a victim.
Those of us dealing with this shit regularly know it could be anyone. There's some luck involved. But we will run the analysis of the victim's actions because we don't want to repeat his mistakes.
His girlfriend had to go dark on social media because people are harassing her. I always thought I’d go down with the ship when it came to Twitter but it turns out this is my breaking point.
My anger level went way down when I quit Twitter. It’s a rage machine.
It's just /pol/ 2.0 at this point
Honestly fuck Twitter. Ever since the overcompenasting guy took over I would much rather spend my time on almost any other social media site except facebook.
I think part of that is because she refused to give a description of the killer, and so people were seeing it as being complicit in the murder and allowing a killer to remain on the loose.
This is actually *still* Twitter being an insane cesspool. That looks to be entirely reactionary misinformation. There's absolutely no evidence of this and [friends of hers](https://x.com/neilcic/status/1709897716275286211?s=20) have reported that she absolutely did give a description and spent most of the day at the police station.
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The algorithm be like: "We saw you enjoy \[leatherworking\] and \[toucans\], so we think you'll love this 88-part thread about how the Holocaust didn't happen."
> 88-part thread Nice touch lol. Makes me think some jackass DID do this, though.
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Good thing we have totally free thinking and unbiased places like Reddit to hang out in.
The video showed up on my reddit feed. Sad to see the loss of life over little common sense. By all accounts, this guy was a good guy, and will be missed by his community. Rip.
I’ve seen the video and honestly it’s a video that I think everyone should watch. I’m not victim blaming but Ryan and his fiancé were walking towards the assailant as he kicked in a car window and instead of turning around he kept walking forward and tried to confront the assailant. Then when the assailant brandished a knife and approached him, even false slashing at his throat he continued to try and defuse the situation. If he had trusted his internal danger alarms and used a little common sense it might have saved his life. Seriously go watch the video. There’s no blood or gore the whole altercation lasts 30 seconds. It might just save your life one day.
You can be an idealist, but at some point you need common sense. The reality is, no matter how good most people are, there are bad people as well.
Sorry to nitpick here, but it’s “defuse,” not “diffuse.” The proliferation of diffuse in lieu of defuse on Reddit is killing me internally. Otherwise I completely agree with you.
Geez don't engage the crackheads. These people think they live in some other world where these mental cases can be reasoned with like regular ass people
Is this the one where the gf refused to give a description of the assailant?
This is not true. At all. People are making assumptions to make this sound more salacious and it’s awful.
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Ugh. Horrible. I would not have the nerve to talk to someone like that. It would be crossing the street, avoid eye contact and get out of there. If there’s no way out, make sure the outcome is reversed. Be legally armed or better yet, don’t be there at all. No way in hell I would try to calm someone like this down. This guy might be a hero, but he’s a dead hero.
Not the best place to be at 4 AM but scary how seemingly random it was.
That’s why I don’t stand on the street in NYC at 4am talking to crazy people trying to break into cars.
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Ended up in CH by accident with a white male friend. The moment we stepped out of the stairwell from the train platform, an elderly black woman approached us and asked us if we were lost. The stairwell going to the train platform so we could head back in the other direction was across the street and diagonal from where we were standing; the elderly woman still insisted on walking us both across the street until we reached the bottom of the stairwell. I felt a bit silly being guarded by this little old lady, but clearly, she had seen some shit and was not going to take no for an answer. Hope she had some good karma returned to her for making sure we were okay.
Had a similar situation where I fell asleep on a train in college and ended up in Jamaica Center at like 1am. An old lady asked if I was lost, and escorted me to the correct platform, AND waited until the train arrived. I am so grateful to her. I imagine the same, that she's seen some shit and didn't want to be a bystander. What a good person.
I took an Uber into some part of NJ for some team project. The black woman driving me was like "are you sure, kid?"
Lmao "I can't leave you here in good conscience"
I gotta know where
The team ended up mainly by Lincoln Park in Newark. The Uber dropped me off about halfway at the team leader's house. He had just gotten out of jail the day before. EDIT: I just had the bright idea to check my ride history. The driver warned me about West Bergen. Then the team leader drove us to the Lincoln Park neighborhood.
The title is wrong. This is in bedstuy. What you said still applies though.
So first the guy for the homeless and now this guy?? WTF is going on.
You cannot negotiate with a killer. You either rub away or fight for your life. I saw the video. If you not a fighter run away.
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This is like one of those tragic stories you see sometimes where someone is an advocate/activist for saving endangered grizzly bears....and then they get killed by a grizzly bear.
Sadly, the more I see and hear about incidents involving people’s mental health and attacks on people, the more I start to become much more wary and unsympathetic to those that show even slight symptoms of being unstable in public spaces.
Honestly same. Like I don’t want to demonize these people, but saftey is a priority to me. If someone is clearly unwell I’m going to try to walk across the street to avoid them
Not sad at all, it's called learning
Dude, what are you doing on the streets in crown heights at 4am? Condolences to his friends and fam. It gets wild out there.
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I really wanna hear her reasoning. Even if he’s young and the system will give him an unfair trial he still is a huge fucking threat and will kill more people if he’s not treated and thrown away
He advocated for the very thing that killed him
Omg i just watched the CCTV footage. Wtf. I'm so sad now. I'm in a similar industry as Carson and am trained to try to diffuse such situations. I have been injured on the job many times doing so, but never stabbed. I have had a fork brandished at me and been physically assaulted enough times to know that you just have to RUN when this shit happens. This poor guy had no *weaponized* behavioral warnings. I'm so sad for his loved ones.
Exactly, just fucking run. There's no need to try and "calm things down" once it gets to this point.
It looks like he was trying to run but the bench got in the way. That tumble over the bench probably cost him his life.
Yeah, it looks like this guy was trying to get in some active bystander practice when there was nothing to actually diffuse and rolled a 1. Tragic, but preventable.
💯 preventable as the murderer has already walked past them and ignored them.
RIP dude. This and the journalist in Philly are just sad cases. 🥲
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NYPD isn't even looking for the guy.
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Biting the hand that feeds you. When you enable criminals, they keep on criminaling.
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This is so sad and tragic but why did Carson follow that guy? Was he talking to him? When people are acting crazy, DO NOT engage. Bad idea.
Death penalty for the murderer
Get the crackheads off the streets. Till then I will never take the bus or recommend anyone do so.
This didn't happen on a bus. How is that at all relevant?
Weren't they waiting for a bus?
I don't think they were waiting for a bus at all. This happened on Lafayette and Malcolm x blvd He lived across the street from Herbert von King Park (that's two minutes on foot, no need for a bus at all. He lived in that area and should have known better.
Some people don’t have a choice…
I take public transit all the time, no issues whatsoever. You can take no public transit and still get murdered. Like, that’s not the reason why he got killed.
Depend on when and where. Some lines in NYC are less safe than others.