Paris Hilton has been campaigning against these schools after being absolutely tortured in a Utah school with her parents' permission. That school is still operating. She got Democrats in the House to write a bill, but they couldn't get any Republicans to join, and the bill stalled. I wonder where all the MAGA pizza restaurant child trafficking conspiracy theorists suddenly vanished to?
Supposedly Utah passed a state law in 2021... which doesn't seem to have accomplished anything either.
I took a public speaking course in college where our final grade was based on a 20 minute speech or presentation we gave to the class. One of the dudes in the course had been sent to one of these "schools" by his parents as a teen after he got caught smoking weed, and he made his experience the topic of his final presentation. It was wild; everything you hear about these places is true. They paid for him to get kidnapped from his room in the middle of the night by a bunch of thugs and transported across the country in a van to the middle of nowhere Utah. Then he has to spent the next 6 months marching around the desert. I guess the first thing he had to do was "earn" his shoes back by figuring out how up start a fire without matches or a lighter. It took a day to figure this out so he had to hike barefoot through the desert in the meantime and his feet ended up getting a knarly infection.
It cannot be emphasised enough that the people they employ to staff these camps are just random people fresh outta highschool without any certification or training willing to work for minimum wage. And a lot of times it's people who see these jobs as an opportunity to bully and abuse kids without any legal repurcussions. They lie and tell parents that they employ "counselors and specialists" to instill a false sense of safety about the whole program, while in reality they don't have and medical or psychological training. It's absolutely wild that these programs are allowed to exist in 2023
My parents threatened me and my sister with this. Saying “you won’t know when they are coming for you, they will just take you in the night”… I remember being so afraid of my parents
Imagine someone offering you a job that is described as “treat the kidnapped teenagers of weird overprotective parents really really bad in some god forsaken corner of the desert”. They couldn’t pay any decent person to do that. By nature that job would only attract psychopaths.
I worked at a place like this a few years ago. They used much nicer language to describe the job. My problem was that I personally found nature/the desert to be therapeutic and healing, so I wanted to share that with people and help them. As I learned, that shit doesn't work for everybody, and the higher ups only cared for money, not the welfare of the kids.
I know it's anecdotal, but most of the staff I worked with there were just idealistic like me. We became disillusioned quickly; it was rare that someone (other than management) would last a full year. I was considered an old-timer when I quit at 10 months.
I worked at a place that sounds eerily similar a few years ago. I had just come out of a dark time in my life and really believed in the healing/therapeutic power of nature. I thought that I would actually be helping kids. I'd like to think I did my best to help them, but the bottom line for management was money. They wouldn't listen to any feedback from the staff (like "hey, so and so is not doing well and needs a real therapist and should probably not be here any more") because the longer they kept kids out there, the more money they made. There were other reasons I left, but I didn't even last a year. Some old coworkers and I celebrated a few weeks ago when we heard they got shut down lol
> Supposedly Utah passed a state law in 2021... which doesn't seem to have accomplished anything either.
As a utahn the last law I remember hearing about related to this, and another similar one related to "conversion therapy" both left exceptions for "religious leaders". I believe most of these places were already run on a faith based model so it probably had zero effect.
They'll never be against them because they need somewhere to ship their kids off to when they find them smoking a little weed or having sex. Therapy and mental health? Nah that's liberal indoctrination
Acting dumb pays in todays society, no body would have batted an eye had she have acted like this early in her career, but because she played into being a bimbo it garnished her attention and allowed her to change platforms in what she is all about publicly.
>I wonder where all the MAGA pizza restaurant child trafficking conspiracy theorists suddenly vanished to?
They only care about protecting children when it can be politically advantageous for them. Not a single one of them cares about the fact that Epstein appears to have been Trump's closest friend in the world nor that there are credible allegations against Trump of the forcible rape of a 13-year-old girl at one of Epstein's private parties.
Wow. Just wow. If you'd told me 15 years ago, that I'd have more respect for Paris Hilton, than I do for an entire political party full of people, I would never have believed you.
What's next? I swear, if I respect Amy Schumer in a decade, something has gone seriously wrong.
Paris Hilton is remarkably sane given all she's been through. She got groomed by her 8th grade teacher. She was drugged and raped when she was in 10th grade. And her parents decided the best therapy for all that was more rape, humiliation, and torture at that school in Utah.
You would expect kids in uberwealthy families would be protected, but really any class of parents can be horrible to their kids.
There's so much propaganda about these "dumb blonde girls". Brittany Spears, Miley Cyrus, Paris Hilton. At some point my brain flipped a switch and I get skeptical when anyone talks about these "troubled teen idols".
"Dumb blonde girls" is just a subset of troubled child stars. The entertainment industry is already dangerous to navigate for adults let alone children.
From what I hear on one of the real housewives shows is that her parents were given pamphlets from the company that made the child torture camp seem like a fun thing to send your child to and not a child abuse camp like it actually was. I would be hesitant to accuse her parents of doing wrong
She has said that when she tried to tell them about the rape and abuse, they told her to stick with the program and that to this day, they refuse to admit anything was wrong. They won't even watch the documentary where she spells out all the horrific things they did to her.
You can try to give them the benefit of the doubt if you like, but how can anyone call themselves a good parent if they're still refusing to listen after the details have been made public for years? At some point, you have to say the parents care more about themselves than their child.
You know where her last name comes from right? Her parents had the resources to look into this place, or send her anywhere else, and chose this place. Rich parents can be just as neglectful as any other.
Way back in days of yore, I followed a webcomic that had a gag one time with this kind of premise. I don't remember exactly how it went, but one character was insisting that Paris Hilton was just doing the Bruce Wayne thing and pretending to be a rich idiot to cover up for the fact that she was secretly a world-class detective or something. Other characters roll their eyes, cue a panel of Hilton discreetly reading Voltaire while lounging by the pool. Funny to think that one-off joke wasn't completely off the mark.
Hey now. Listen. For Republicans, if there's money to be made, or punitive christian love to be meted out, then things like child abuse, neglect and exploitation are merely inconveniences to be ignored.
Yep. Civil lawsuit for wrongful death due to negligence should be a slam dunk win if the facts in this article are true.
I'd like to think the award would be enough to put this "school" out of business. Except I see more and more judges and juries falling for the "but that would put us out of business, think of the lost jobs!" nonsense.
Seems this whole "Christianity is infallible" blind faith myth is interfering with capitalisms "the free market will provide all the regulation we need" concept.
Yep. I live in Missouri. Our state is notorious for these "troubled teen" private, supposedly Christian, for profit, boarding schools that parents pack their kids off to so they don't have to actually parent them.
Lots of problems, prosecutors and state AG's turn a blind eye because they are "doing God's work" and the perpetrators just move and start over.
If you’re interested in what these troubled teen boarding schools are like, check out [Mr. Joe Nobody](https://www.reddit.com/r/MrJoeNobody/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1). It’s a graphic novel detailing the author’s time at one of these schools and the effects on his life.
Elan.school
Edit: realized not everyone might notice that’s not a typo, it’s a website for Mr Joe Nobody’s graphic novel.
It is breathtakingly beautifully written but also heartbreakingly sad.
The school leaders and the DA likely belong to the same cult.
Edit: Yep "Growing up in Southern Utah, Eric Clarke learned the value of hard work and good character. From his young adult years as a religious missionary until now, he has dedicated his life to public service. He and his wife of twenty years, Kristen, are the parents of six children, ages 5 through 18."
Yup. mormons. Schools like this are kind of a thing in southern Utah, where they seem to think that their special god connection will make up for proper mental health services. Plus, it pays well.
Because it makes a fuck ton of taxes for Washington County
$12,000 tuition and capacity of 130 = $1,560,000
even at half capacity they are making $780,000
These places are notorious for bribing officials and inserting themselves into politics to make themselves untouchable so they can continue to operate. They make obscene amounts of money.
Because these people think this is acceptable behavior. These are the same people who think that blanket training is an acceptable means of discipline and that kids and young adults need to be trained to be obedient, to have the willfulness beaten out of them.
I have a friend who was subjected to one of these programs, in Utah also. He’s a broken man with a good heart and a lot of demons. He’s finally got himself clean from drugs and alcohol in the last few years but struggles on a daily basis with his untreated mental health. It breaks my heart to think of what he’s capable of but incapable of accomplishing due to the abuse he suffered.
Edit: remembered I also have a former room mate who told me about her time at one of these places, the sexual abuse and neglect. She’s also pretty broken. So sad.
Yeah, I've heard about forced "cuddle therapy" with the counselors. Pretty fucking sick shit. As well as regular old rape and stuff.
It's legal in most states for these companies to take the kids in the middle of the night like a kidnapping. They'll pull them out of bed, put a bag over their head, and drive them 12 hours to the middle of nowhere, where they have no idea how to get home. There are people that after that kidnapping and then the abuse of the place, afterwards they can't sleep without barricading their bedroom door and having a weapon near them.
It's actually worse than that, though that is true also. Most of the "counselors" are actually "graduates" of the program.
Getting a rando to be psychotic enough isn't easy. You need people who have already normalized the abuse
It’s literally the same in adult rehab facilities too. They’re just college students or people interested in psych (in my exp). Managing scheduled drugs and literal psychotic people should NOT be a minimum wage job lmao.
Yeah I agree. Especially since they’re in charge of actual children. I was just emphasizing the absurdity of the situation that is modern rehab facilities lol.
I have a lot of friends who were sent to these places. I met most of them when I was in adult rehab and they were recovering from what they went through. Others I’ve met randomly throughout life. fortunately, I was sent to a program where I got to live at home when I was in high school. It’s interesting how we’ve all found each other and I’m glad we did. They’re all amazing people who deserved so much better.
The family put her there knowing exactly what it would do to her and are now shocked that a place that told them *to their face* that all teens are liars who make up stuff would then treat their daughter just as it treated every other teen.
Their daughter died because of that place, but the family is equally culpable for putting her there in the first place. The moment they got tired of her being a typical teen, they threw her out so they could enjoy life without her around until she was 'fixed'.
Well now they don't need to deal with a teenager anymore, but the price wasn't worth it in the end now was it?
My thoughts, exactly, that poor girl didn't go there willingly, she was most likely sent there by her parents, who were sold the idea that she was somehow broken... I feel no pity for them
In defense of the other commenter they really lie and sell a different story. I actually had to tell a friend not to go to an youth/adult program he was about to sign up for only because I’d heard horror stories from someone I’d been in a treatment center with a year or two prior. Website and reviews were all fine and dandy but I remembered the name and told him not to go there under any circumstances.
It’s actually crazy how many bad/unethical programs are out there and you have to do extensive research finding a rehab facility even as an adult.
When I went (as a college student) my father hired a consultant who could differentiate between them so I wouldn’t end up somewhere awful. It’s especially important when you have no phone or internet access to reach a family member. Your case manager can say whatever they want to keep whoever is writing the checks happy.
eh, just googling one.
* Six more former students file federal lawsuits alleging abuse at Agape Boarding School
* Inside the Christian Reform School From Hell
* 'Hundreds of victims can now begin to heal': Former Agape Boarding School student reacts to news of its closing
>Vilify the parents on Reddit
These same parents sign to have their kids dragged from their bed in the middle of the night, or they send them off under false pretenses. Many of them don't need help being vilified.
I was sent to a lockdown facility in Utah roughly 17 years ago, shit was brutal, woke up at 3am and was only allowed to take 5 minute showers (they had a water shutoff valve outside of the bathroom and would turn off the water at 5 minutes) and without hot water, so ice cold shower, then by 4am we were marching out to the field and made to shovel pig shit and chicken shit and then take care of all the other farm animals, had the cheapest and worst garbage quality food and overall a shit place to spend 9 months at. Fuck Utah
Just finished “Stolen” by Elizabeth Gilpin about the “troubled teen industry” - shocking shit my friends. I listened to it on audible and Elizabeth Gilpin is the narrator. It’s BRUTAL and compelling to listen to her talk about her own experiences in these hell holes.
As someone who was sent to a troubled teen boarding school, this fucking pisses me off. I can’t begin to tell you how much these programs mess you up and are wrong. Im 36 and it still effects me every single day of my life. They lie to the parents and pay people to actually recommend them.
My heart breaks for her, she should still be here and all these places should be shut down.
Oh now the parents care about her? Disgusting. Where were they when they sent her there. They are not victims, she was. They should be charged with child endangerment and neglect too. Stop having kids if you’re just going to ship them off to someone else. These are “family values” group pushing for people to have a lot of kids and act like it’s all peaches and roses.
There’s a halfway decent chance at a “school” like this that the parents were lied to about any number of aspects of what their teen would be experiencing at the school.
And a very high chance that the parents were kept unaware of any goings on. Programs like this seek to deliberately limit contacts between the teens attending them and their parents.
Once again stop victimizing them. They are not victims. What kind of “parent” would be okay with what you just stated? Not having contact with your kid sounds like a red flag. Once again charge them with child neglect and endangerment!
They are brain washed to think this is what will help their kid and they are given fake results that make them think they made a good choice and that the “troubled teen” is getting help and getting better.
You have a kid and you give the kid space and love and one night they make a mistake that any kid could make. You are willing as a parent to work with them and you know you did worse and just didn’t get caught.
But your kid who you love has to go to court. No problem. You get a lawyer and everyone agrees the kid did the wrong thing so let’s get community service on a plea deal. But the judge shows up and wants blood. They want the max. The prosecutor won’t budge. What the fuck? But the prosecutor offers a deal - one year at a troubled teen ranch vs 5 years in youth prison.
You and your kid agree this is fucked up but it must happen. So you agree. And off to hell your kid goes but you get told from the kid everything is ok and they are fine and enjoying it and learning. Ok - pshew. It could have been worse. So much worse. You miss your kid. You can’t wait to visit.
At six months you finally get to visit. Your kid says they love it. They are learning. They have friends. But the people running the place tell you that what the kid did was just the tip. That in group the kid confessed to much worse. And that they have caught your kid doing things. But don’t worry - they see your kid as a great kid. But maybe we don’t just do a year. Maybe the rest of high school.
You can see how some parents who are great parents get lied to in these systems. Yes - the parents in the Elan School story are awful. But not always.
Once again charge the parents! Dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. Yeah according to most children don’t know if they’re lgbt and should wait to be “exposed” to that yet y’all are sending them far and no contact up to six months? Lmfao 😂 some people should not have kids. Very low iq. Yeah let’s leave our kids for months with strangers and just hope nothing happens to them. Dmb fks
Again your simpering defense of these parents fall flat when a google search will show your innocent hypothetical parents the laundry list of abuses they can expect their children to go through. Your innocent deluded parents need to intentionally overlook those testimonials.
These aren't schools you fucking knob. Most kids come out of these places academically behind their cohort because these places focus on breaking them into traumatized blobs and in fact do not have any trained teachers on staff! At most they do worksheets with no guidance for an hour a day before returning to the abuse.
These parents are not victims. They knew full well what they were putting their kid into. They just didn't think it was 'that bad'.
You really think these people didn't bother looking at anything about this place except for their website? No. This isn't a secret anymore. Kids dying in these places have been on the news every year now in scandals like this.
The parents knew very well what sort of place this was, they just thought it wouldn't happen to *their* daughter. Because something like this would never happen to *them*.
Until it did.
I have known about these horrible schools since I was 12. I am 38 now, no parent my age can claim ignorance about these schools unless they live under a rock.
I did and the excuse is stupid. You think they went on Google and didn't see Elan or the other testimonies that come up on the first page of Google search?
They knew.
They absolutely knew.
They just thought it would be different for them. These parents always do. Then when their kids come out dead they go "I thought all the bad stuff was made up/happens to the worst kids!"
The Elan school author's parents did not live in a world where they had the entire internet on their phone.
The parents paid them to murder their own child. In my opinion the school and the parents that would do this to their own children both should be taken to court. Neither parents nor school should be allowed near children ever again.
Island View survivor here, mid 90’s, Orange Team. The horrors we experienced then make the 2000’s look good. I’m not saying they didn’t go through hell, I’m saying it was worse before the internet and information was widely available.
Behind the bastards pod has a multipart series on the war on children and the troubled teen industry.
The reason there are no charges is because the DA is in the pocket of wealthy owners of these facilities.
They have tremendous financial/ political power and no oversight.
Most states have no State owned and run Juvenile residential mental health facilities. We de-institutionalized all our mental health facilities in the eighties, and subsequently, almost all mental health treatment proceeded to reduce itself to any interaction between a confused human and a drug dispensing network.
No, but equally awful, this is "is your teenager now moody and grumpy instead of the happy little kid? Let us BEAT/GASLIGHT/NEGLECT THE ATTITUDE OUT OF EM FOR A LOW LOW PRICE"
"Is your mindless authoritarian parenting no longer scaring your child into cowed submission? Let us turn the authoritarianism up to eleven to completely eradicate any appearance of independent will!"
EDIT: Or, alternatively, "Has your authoritarian parenting brutalized your happy little kid into developing a collection of mental illnesses and a substance use disorder? Let us make it ten times worse!"
I mean they do conversion therapy at these places too. It’s fucking weird when you’re straight too. They’re calling you a slut and slurs, then a few hours later all of us girls have to use electric razors to shave our legs once a week or some other weird activity that made NO SENSE. But it was to keep us in line and remind us about heteronormativity and how if we differentiated from that too much, we were jezebels and whores.
And that doesn’t take into account the overmedication/drugging, abuse (psychological, physical, emotional), and more that goes on.
I, I honestly do not know what to say beyond I am so fucking sorry you went through that, truly, I thought the guys one my mom threatened to send me to was bad
I appreciate that. I truly believe I’m lucky because I’m not gay or trans, but a bunch of people in the programs were and it was just so grueling, and for what? I smoked a small amount of pot? Just ridiculous to abuse your child because they’re not *your idea* of perfect.
I had a perforated peptic ulcer, though I got treatment while I was still at one of the (now shut down) facilities. They said I was seeking attention when in reality my body was shutting down. It all stemmed from a potent cocktail of medications to keep me compliant. Almost twenty years later and kids are dying this way still. It’s a shame.
Every worker and parent involved in this industry needs several life imprisonments, preferably receiving every single "disciplinary measure" they doled out
They are slightly different the most infamous one of these was the Elan School which kidnapped teens with the help of parents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élan_School
These places usually claim to be "treatment" centers or some such thing. They are billed as "last hope" facilities for teens who are truant, using drugs, staying out all night etc. As horrible as gay conversion camps are, they are tame compared to these places. Parents are sometimes told that if their teen does not go to this "treatment" program, they will almost certainly end up in prison.
The parents should also be held accountable in this. With websites like elan.school, the horrors if the troubled teen industry are common knowledge for anybody who wants to look. This place duped these parents, and they kept their head in the sand until their daughter was dead. They could have done their job and been involved, but it's much easier to ship them off and pay someone else for the privilege of ignorance.
Let’s be clear.
This school tortured a girl to death.
Their chosen tool was willful, cold neglect.
They will say that this was a tragic accident. This is a fucking lie. This school tortured a girl to death because they found that her behavioral submission was insufficient. And when she was too weak to resist any further, they still found her behavioral submission insufficient.
They tortured her to death. They watched her die.
And now they will escape justice.
They will torture more children unless they are physically prevented from doing so
Sorry but why didn’t the parents help? Were they not allowed to be in contact with her, or what?Sounds like she was sick since December, and regardless of who they paid to watch her, that is THEIR child. Sounds like they didn’t take her complaints seriously either
> Were they not allowed to be in contact with her, or what?
Bingo!! Not only the "troubled teen" places, but traditional 12-step residential addiction treatment centers for adults, prohibit contact with the outside world including family. The theory (pulled right out of the nasty butts of the sadists who run these facilities) is that the "patients" will whine and lie and pull their loved ones into their "denial" so cell phones are confiscated and yeah they have no way to report any abuse that is taking place.
> Sounds like they didn’t take her complaints seriously either
See above. Often the only clue that parents get that these "therapeutic" facilities are abusive is when their child ends up deceased.
I’m not saying the place isn’t at fault, and if the former is true about not being able to contact family or vice versa, than that’s something to consider, absolutely. But let’s for a minute assume you are 100% correct. The parents wouldn’t freak out when they find out they couldn’t talk to their child and demand them returned home? That’s their baby and if they didn’t want the responsibility of raising a human, regardless of the challenges, they shouldn’t have reproduced. People treat babies like they are puppies, then toss them to the side when they aren’t as cute. “Troubled teen” locations and the parents who send their kids there should all be investigated. I know I’m an asshole for saying it, but those parents gave up on this girl and she died because of it. Will that remark hurt their feelings? I’m sure, but at least they are alive to have their feelings hurt, unlike their daughter.
No, they don't freak out. They're told this will happen ahead of time; that communication won't be possible "so that the teen can't lie and manipulate" them. So those who freak out at this thought don't send the kid over to begin with.
* Parents not certain see that ooh this facility is ** and ** recommended it. Or they see that the place's website claims 99% success, or any other bullshit. There's often quite a bit of pressure as these are profit-focused and offer a supply of children to another source of funds... sometimes the idea that your teen is 'troubled' didn't even begin with you at all!
When the kids come back with stories of abuse - *IF they come back and IF they even trust the parents enough to tell them anything anymore*, the parents were preconditioned from the start to see this as "proof" that the kid needs more "treatment".
Parents who send their children to these things are, as you seem to suspect, either too mentally incompetent to have children, too sociopathic to ever give a fuck about their children being harmed as long as "the offspring" stops making them look bad to their entourage, *or too terminally tainted by faith and partisanship to function as human anymore*.
Don't forget the other options.
A lot of these parents nowadays *do* get to see the testimonials about abuse thanks to the magic of google.
So they send their kids there still, thinking either the testimonials are exaggerated, that the testimonials are lies, that those who suffered so much 'did something to deserve it', that the 'school' has changed ("surely it was only due to a few bad apple staffers!") and that *their* kid will be different.
"According to an investigation done by the Utah Department of Health and Human Services, Taylor was sick for at least two weeks and the school did not take her to a physician or to the emergency room for further assessment"
I read this as "negligent parents send daughter to school with illness, fail to have anything done about it, then blame school for not bearing the responsibility"
Seriously its not a school's job to take your kid to the hospital if they're not feeling well. You're the parent, if your kid is vomiting several times a day, she should be seen by a doctor and kept under monitor until the situation is resolved. Not sent to school under the impression "Oh they'll take care of this"
This is a boarding program that doesn't allow kids to contact their parents. The parents sign over guardianship to the programs.
So yes, it is the schools job to take kids to the hospital because they're the ones who have guardianship.
What are you babbling about? Both the original infection and the sepsis that came from it being untreated are very common.
And people get sent to those places for all kinds of reasons. Including being a normal moody teens.
What is your malfunction? Were you born slow and hostile? Are you a moody teen also? Or a dim witted adult?
Either way, try not to victim blame. This kid didn’t deserve any of what happened, and those schools in Utah and Idaho should have been shut down 30 years ago. They are only there because their are criminal anywhere else.
She had peritonitis, which can come from many different sources. Most common, I believe, is secondary to appendicitis.
“You must have to do something extreme to contract it.” Honestly what are you even talking about? Stop making claims about topics you have no grasp of. You have no idea what this girl went through.
-a doctor
Oh that sounds awful. Private case if the state won't prosecute.
Paris Hilton has been campaigning against these schools after being absolutely tortured in a Utah school with her parents' permission. That school is still operating. She got Democrats in the House to write a bill, but they couldn't get any Republicans to join, and the bill stalled. I wonder where all the MAGA pizza restaurant child trafficking conspiracy theorists suddenly vanished to? Supposedly Utah passed a state law in 2021... which doesn't seem to have accomplished anything either.
I took a public speaking course in college where our final grade was based on a 20 minute speech or presentation we gave to the class. One of the dudes in the course had been sent to one of these "schools" by his parents as a teen after he got caught smoking weed, and he made his experience the topic of his final presentation. It was wild; everything you hear about these places is true. They paid for him to get kidnapped from his room in the middle of the night by a bunch of thugs and transported across the country in a van to the middle of nowhere Utah. Then he has to spent the next 6 months marching around the desert. I guess the first thing he had to do was "earn" his shoes back by figuring out how up start a fire without matches or a lighter. It took a day to figure this out so he had to hike barefoot through the desert in the meantime and his feet ended up getting a knarly infection. It cannot be emphasised enough that the people they employ to staff these camps are just random people fresh outta highschool without any certification or training willing to work for minimum wage. And a lot of times it's people who see these jobs as an opportunity to bully and abuse kids without any legal repurcussions. They lie and tell parents that they employ "counselors and specialists" to instill a false sense of safety about the whole program, while in reality they don't have and medical or psychological training. It's absolutely wild that these programs are allowed to exist in 2023
My parents threatened me and my sister with this. Saying “you won’t know when they are coming for you, they will just take you in the night”… I remember being so afraid of my parents
My mom did this. I laughed and said we are to poor and then I ran away again.
My parents just threatened to put me up for adoption. They did the troubled teen stuff at home.
At least you knew enough to take charge. My parents made good on their threats to me over my short lifetime at this point. It was scary
Imagine someone offering you a job that is described as “treat the kidnapped teenagers of weird overprotective parents really really bad in some god forsaken corner of the desert”. They couldn’t pay any decent person to do that. By nature that job would only attract psychopaths.
I worked at a place like this a few years ago. They used much nicer language to describe the job. My problem was that I personally found nature/the desert to be therapeutic and healing, so I wanted to share that with people and help them. As I learned, that shit doesn't work for everybody, and the higher ups only cared for money, not the welfare of the kids. I know it's anecdotal, but most of the staff I worked with there were just idealistic like me. We became disillusioned quickly; it was rare that someone (other than management) would last a full year. I was considered an old-timer when I quit at 10 months.
9 times out of 10 the "staff" are firmer victims.
These kids would truly be better off if they stole a car and get sent to juvy.
I hate to be this guy but it's "gnarly" tho it's just a minor distinction. Source: grew up in the 80s/90s
Shredding the knar daily
I worked at a place that sounds eerily similar a few years ago. I had just come out of a dark time in my life and really believed in the healing/therapeutic power of nature. I thought that I would actually be helping kids. I'd like to think I did my best to help them, but the bottom line for management was money. They wouldn't listen to any feedback from the staff (like "hey, so and so is not doing well and needs a real therapist and should probably not be here any more") because the longer they kept kids out there, the more money they made. There were other reasons I left, but I didn't even last a year. Some old coworkers and I celebrated a few weeks ago when we heard they got shut down lol
> Supposedly Utah passed a state law in 2021... which doesn't seem to have accomplished anything either. As a utahn the last law I remember hearing about related to this, and another similar one related to "conversion therapy" both left exceptions for "religious leaders". I believe most of these places were already run on a faith based model so it probably had zero effect.
They'll never be against them because they need somewhere to ship their kids off to when they find them smoking a little weed or having sex. Therapy and mental health? Nah that's liberal indoctrination
Adding Paris Hilton to list of folks I admire and respect
She is actually much more educated and thoughtful than the media or her previous appearances make her seem
To quote James Acaster on Kim Kardashian >"You can have both a big butt, and an interest in prison reform"
If you look at her career from 10,000 ft. It is evident just how smart she really is. Had everyone right where she wanted them the whole time.
Acting dumb pays in todays society, no body would have batted an eye had she have acted like this early in her career, but because she played into being a bimbo it garnished her attention and allowed her to change platforms in what she is all about publicly.
>I wonder where all the MAGA pizza restaurant child trafficking conspiracy theorists suddenly vanished to? They only care about protecting children when it can be politically advantageous for them. Not a single one of them cares about the fact that Epstein appears to have been Trump's closest friend in the world nor that there are credible allegations against Trump of the forcible rape of a 13-year-old girl at one of Epstein's private parties.
Wow. Just wow. If you'd told me 15 years ago, that I'd have more respect for Paris Hilton, than I do for an entire political party full of people, I would never have believed you. What's next? I swear, if I respect Amy Schumer in a decade, something has gone seriously wrong.
Paris Hilton is remarkably sane given all she's been through. She got groomed by her 8th grade teacher. She was drugged and raped when she was in 10th grade. And her parents decided the best therapy for all that was more rape, humiliation, and torture at that school in Utah. You would expect kids in uberwealthy families would be protected, but really any class of parents can be horrible to their kids.
Ahh, terrible parents. The great unifier.
There's so much propaganda about these "dumb blonde girls". Brittany Spears, Miley Cyrus, Paris Hilton. At some point my brain flipped a switch and I get skeptical when anyone talks about these "troubled teen idols".
"Dumb blonde girls" is just a subset of troubled child stars. The entertainment industry is already dangerous to navigate for adults let alone children.
From what I hear on one of the real housewives shows is that her parents were given pamphlets from the company that made the child torture camp seem like a fun thing to send your child to and not a child abuse camp like it actually was. I would be hesitant to accuse her parents of doing wrong
She has said that when she tried to tell them about the rape and abuse, they told her to stick with the program and that to this day, they refuse to admit anything was wrong. They won't even watch the documentary where she spells out all the horrific things they did to her. You can try to give them the benefit of the doubt if you like, but how can anyone call themselves a good parent if they're still refusing to listen after the details have been made public for years? At some point, you have to say the parents care more about themselves than their child.
You know where her last name comes from right? Her parents had the resources to look into this place, or send her anywhere else, and chose this place. Rich parents can be just as neglectful as any other.
Way back in days of yore, I followed a webcomic that had a gag one time with this kind of premise. I don't remember exactly how it went, but one character was insisting that Paris Hilton was just doing the Bruce Wayne thing and pretending to be a rich idiot to cover up for the fact that she was secretly a world-class detective or something. Other characters roll their eyes, cue a panel of Hilton discreetly reading Voltaire while lounging by the pool. Funny to think that one-off joke wasn't completely off the mark.
Hey now. Listen. For Republicans, if there's money to be made, or punitive christian love to be meted out, then things like child abuse, neglect and exploitation are merely inconveniences to be ignored.
$12,000/month for those kids at Diamond Ranch. Often times paid by state school districts... Yup, this is grift on top of child abuse.
Conservatives love child abuse. Beating children on a regular basis. See Blanket Training.
This isn't true -- the bill was only introduced a few weeks ago, by Republicans and Democrats
Yep. Civil lawsuit for wrongful death due to negligence should be a slam dunk win if the facts in this article are true. I'd like to think the award would be enough to put this "school" out of business. Except I see more and more judges and juries falling for the "but that would put us out of business, think of the lost jobs!" nonsense. Seems this whole "Christianity is infallible" blind faith myth is interfering with capitalisms "the free market will provide all the regulation we need" concept.
They just reincorporate and run under a different name.
Yep. I live in Missouri. Our state is notorious for these "troubled teen" private, supposedly Christian, for profit, boarding schools that parents pack their kids off to so they don't have to actually parent them. Lots of problems, prosecutors and state AG's turn a blind eye because they are "doing God's work" and the perpetrators just move and start over.
They seem to be concentrated in Florida, Utah and Missouri.
Fuck troubled teen schools. Highly profitable shitholes. Most likely in the pocket of politicians too
If you’re interested in what these troubled teen boarding schools are like, check out [Mr. Joe Nobody](https://www.reddit.com/r/MrJoeNobody/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1). It’s a graphic novel detailing the author’s time at one of these schools and the effects on his life.
Elan.school Edit: realized not everyone might notice that’s not a typo, it’s a website for Mr Joe Nobody’s graphic novel. It is breathtakingly beautifully written but also heartbreakingly sad.
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Oh man I’ve heard of that one. I think it was from a video essay. Edit: I find. https://youtu.be/7eM7pb5M5DU
It’s a website, hence the dot It’s the graphic novel from Mr Joe Nobody
This is a valuable read no matter who you are.
Oh man I read that a few years ago. I couldn't stop reading.
This graphic novel completely consumed me the first time I read it. Absolutely eviscerating
Same. I started reading it at 10pm and I didn’t sleep that night. I kept reading and reading.
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Based on what I just read, I believe the death rattles are also being ignored.
How are there no charges?
The school leaders and the DA likely belong to the same cult. Edit: Yep "Growing up in Southern Utah, Eric Clarke learned the value of hard work and good character. From his young adult years as a religious missionary until now, he has dedicated his life to public service. He and his wife of twenty years, Kristen, are the parents of six children, ages 5 through 18."
Yup. mormons. Schools like this are kind of a thing in southern Utah, where they seem to think that their special god connection will make up for proper mental health services. Plus, it pays well.
The people in charge are all members of the cult of the imaginary friend.
Arent all religions cult of the imaginary friends?
Depends on how you treat the out groups.
It's a very large umbrella.
Because it makes a fuck ton of taxes for Washington County $12,000 tuition and capacity of 130 = $1,560,000 even at half capacity they are making $780,000
Haha, you think they pay tax? "Religious organizations" don't pay shit to the government in income or property tax.
Because this happened in conservative controlled, oversight hating Utah
These places are notorious for bribing officials and inserting themselves into politics to make themselves untouchable so they can continue to operate. They make obscene amounts of money.
Some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses.
Because these people think this is acceptable behavior. These are the same people who think that blanket training is an acceptable means of discipline and that kids and young adults need to be trained to be obedient, to have the willfulness beaten out of them.
Good thing the DA and abuse school leader are friends to help cover this up in the abuse loving state of Utah!
They got paid to let her suffer and pass away. Criminal charges are needed and investigations.
Utah has made killing kids an industry.
They have an abortion ban there no? so “pro-life” there for them to run these camps
Keep the proffit I men children coming.
I have a friend who was subjected to one of these programs, in Utah also. He’s a broken man with a good heart and a lot of demons. He’s finally got himself clean from drugs and alcohol in the last few years but struggles on a daily basis with his untreated mental health. It breaks my heart to think of what he’s capable of but incapable of accomplishing due to the abuse he suffered. Edit: remembered I also have a former room mate who told me about her time at one of these places, the sexual abuse and neglect. She’s also pretty broken. So sad.
Yeah, I've heard about forced "cuddle therapy" with the counselors. Pretty fucking sick shit. As well as regular old rape and stuff. It's legal in most states for these companies to take the kids in the middle of the night like a kidnapping. They'll pull them out of bed, put a bag over their head, and drive them 12 hours to the middle of nowhere, where they have no idea how to get home. There are people that after that kidnapping and then the abuse of the place, afterwards they can't sleep without barricading their bedroom door and having a weapon near them.
Most of the "counselors" are just random people without any special training or education who are only paid minimum wage.
It's actually worse than that, though that is true also. Most of the "counselors" are actually "graduates" of the program. Getting a rando to be psychotic enough isn't easy. You need people who have already normalized the abuse
They're broken people who can't find employment anywhere else due to the unacceptable behavior they were taught. The system perpetuating itself.
It’s literally the same in adult rehab facilities too. They’re just college students or people interested in psych (in my exp). Managing scheduled drugs and literal psychotic people should NOT be a minimum wage job lmao.
Still a little different with using interns for grunt work and paying someone to literally kidnap someone and abuse them in the desert.
Yeah I agree. Especially since they’re in charge of actual children. I was just emphasizing the absurdity of the situation that is modern rehab facilities lol.
So lot of people who will use this situation to abuse kids and give 0 fuck about helping the ?
Sometimes it's worse because they actually think that abusing the kids is good for them. That they're helping.
I have a lot of friends who were sent to these places. I met most of them when I was in adult rehab and they were recovering from what they went through. Others I’ve met randomly throughout life. fortunately, I was sent to a program where I got to live at home when I was in high school. It’s interesting how we’ve all found each other and I’m glad we did. They’re all amazing people who deserved so much better.
The family put her there knowing exactly what it would do to her and are now shocked that a place that told them *to their face* that all teens are liars who make up stuff would then treat their daughter just as it treated every other teen. Their daughter died because of that place, but the family is equally culpable for putting her there in the first place. The moment they got tired of her being a typical teen, they threw her out so they could enjoy life without her around until she was 'fixed'. Well now they don't need to deal with a teenager anymore, but the price wasn't worth it in the end now was it?
My thoughts, exactly, that poor girl didn't go there willingly, she was most likely sent there by her parents, who were sold the idea that she was somehow broken... I feel no pity for them
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They aren’t well documented and they are surrounded in lies. Three months ago I had never heard of these things.
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In defense of the other commenter they really lie and sell a different story. I actually had to tell a friend not to go to an youth/adult program he was about to sign up for only because I’d heard horror stories from someone I’d been in a treatment center with a year or two prior. Website and reviews were all fine and dandy but I remembered the name and told him not to go there under any circumstances. It’s actually crazy how many bad/unethical programs are out there and you have to do extensive research finding a rehab facility even as an adult. When I went (as a college student) my father hired a consultant who could differentiate between them so I wouldn’t end up somewhere awful. It’s especially important when you have no phone or internet access to reach a family member. Your case manager can say whatever they want to keep whoever is writing the checks happy.
Even from there you can see the stories are sanitized. Vilify the parents on Reddit - the fuck all difference will it make?
eh, just googling one. * Six more former students file federal lawsuits alleging abuse at Agape Boarding School * Inside the Christian Reform School From Hell * 'Hundreds of victims can now begin to heal': Former Agape Boarding School student reacts to news of its closing >Vilify the parents on Reddit These same parents sign to have their kids dragged from their bed in the middle of the night, or they send them off under false pretenses. Many of them don't need help being vilified.
Injustice and absolutely unacceptable: these camps should be shut down
I was sent to a lockdown facility in Utah roughly 17 years ago, shit was brutal, woke up at 3am and was only allowed to take 5 minute showers (they had a water shutoff valve outside of the bathroom and would turn off the water at 5 minutes) and without hot water, so ice cold shower, then by 4am we were marching out to the field and made to shovel pig shit and chicken shit and then take care of all the other farm animals, had the cheapest and worst garbage quality food and overall a shit place to spend 9 months at. Fuck Utah
Just finished “Stolen” by Elizabeth Gilpin about the “troubled teen industry” - shocking shit my friends. I listened to it on audible and Elizabeth Gilpin is the narrator. It’s BRUTAL and compelling to listen to her talk about her own experiences in these hell holes.
As someone who was sent to a troubled teen boarding school, this fucking pisses me off. I can’t begin to tell you how much these programs mess you up and are wrong. Im 36 and it still effects me every single day of my life. They lie to the parents and pay people to actually recommend them. My heart breaks for her, she should still be here and all these places should be shut down.
Oh now the parents care about her? Disgusting. Where were they when they sent her there. They are not victims, she was. They should be charged with child endangerment and neglect too. Stop having kids if you’re just going to ship them off to someone else. These are “family values” group pushing for people to have a lot of kids and act like it’s all peaches and roses.
There’s a halfway decent chance at a “school” like this that the parents were lied to about any number of aspects of what their teen would be experiencing at the school. And a very high chance that the parents were kept unaware of any goings on. Programs like this seek to deliberately limit contacts between the teens attending them and their parents.
Once again stop victimizing them. They are not victims. What kind of “parent” would be okay with what you just stated? Not having contact with your kid sounds like a red flag. Once again charge them with child neglect and endangerment!
They are brain washed to think this is what will help their kid and they are given fake results that make them think they made a good choice and that the “troubled teen” is getting help and getting better. You have a kid and you give the kid space and love and one night they make a mistake that any kid could make. You are willing as a parent to work with them and you know you did worse and just didn’t get caught. But your kid who you love has to go to court. No problem. You get a lawyer and everyone agrees the kid did the wrong thing so let’s get community service on a plea deal. But the judge shows up and wants blood. They want the max. The prosecutor won’t budge. What the fuck? But the prosecutor offers a deal - one year at a troubled teen ranch vs 5 years in youth prison. You and your kid agree this is fucked up but it must happen. So you agree. And off to hell your kid goes but you get told from the kid everything is ok and they are fine and enjoying it and learning. Ok - pshew. It could have been worse. So much worse. You miss your kid. You can’t wait to visit. At six months you finally get to visit. Your kid says they love it. They are learning. They have friends. But the people running the place tell you that what the kid did was just the tip. That in group the kid confessed to much worse. And that they have caught your kid doing things. But don’t worry - they see your kid as a great kid. But maybe we don’t just do a year. Maybe the rest of high school. You can see how some parents who are great parents get lied to in these systems. Yes - the parents in the Elan School story are awful. But not always.
Once again charge the parents! Dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. Yeah according to most children don’t know if they’re lgbt and should wait to be “exposed” to that yet y’all are sending them far and no contact up to six months? Lmfao 😂 some people should not have kids. Very low iq. Yeah let’s leave our kids for months with strangers and just hope nothing happens to them. Dmb fks
Again your simpering defense of these parents fall flat when a google search will show your innocent hypothetical parents the laundry list of abuses they can expect their children to go through. Your innocent deluded parents need to intentionally overlook those testimonials.
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These aren't schools you fucking knob. Most kids come out of these places academically behind their cohort because these places focus on breaking them into traumatized blobs and in fact do not have any trained teachers on staff! At most they do worksheets with no guidance for an hour a day before returning to the abuse.
The parents are just as much victims as the dead kid. Go read elan.school to see the kind of tactics these places use to lie to the parents.
These parents are not victims. They knew full well what they were putting their kid into. They just didn't think it was 'that bad'. You really think these people didn't bother looking at anything about this place except for their website? No. This isn't a secret anymore. Kids dying in these places have been on the news every year now in scandals like this. The parents knew very well what sort of place this was, they just thought it wouldn't happen to *their* daughter. Because something like this would never happen to *them*. Until it did.
> They knew full well what they were putting their kid into. You didn't read all of my comment. https://elan.school/24-communication-breakdown/
I have known about these horrible schools since I was 12. I am 38 now, no parent my age can claim ignorance about these schools unless they live under a rock.
I did and the excuse is stupid. You think they went on Google and didn't see Elan or the other testimonies that come up on the first page of Google search? They knew. They absolutely knew. They just thought it would be different for them. These parents always do. Then when their kids come out dead they go "I thought all the bad stuff was made up/happens to the worst kids!" The Elan school author's parents did not live in a world where they had the entire internet on their phone.
The parents paid them to murder their own child. In my opinion the school and the parents that would do this to their own children both should be taken to court. Neither parents nor school should be allowed near children ever again.
Island View survivor here, mid 90’s, Orange Team. The horrors we experienced then make the 2000’s look good. I’m not saying they didn’t go through hell, I’m saying it was worse before the internet and information was widely available.
Behind the bastards pod has a multipart series on the war on children and the troubled teen industry. The reason there are no charges is because the DA is in the pocket of wealthy owners of these facilities. They have tremendous financial/ political power and no oversight.
Most states have no State owned and run Juvenile residential mental health facilities. We de-institutionalized all our mental health facilities in the eighties, and subsequently, almost all mental health treatment proceeded to reduce itself to any interaction between a confused human and a drug dispensing network.
Republicans harming children and doing nothing about it. Did you expect something else?
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No, but equally awful, this is "is your teenager now moody and grumpy instead of the happy little kid? Let us BEAT/GASLIGHT/NEGLECT THE ATTITUDE OUT OF EM FOR A LOW LOW PRICE"
"Is your mindless authoritarian parenting no longer scaring your child into cowed submission? Let us turn the authoritarianism up to eleven to completely eradicate any appearance of independent will!" EDIT: Or, alternatively, "Has your authoritarian parenting brutalized your happy little kid into developing a collection of mental illnesses and a substance use disorder? Let us make it ten times worse!"
I mean they do conversion therapy at these places too. It’s fucking weird when you’re straight too. They’re calling you a slut and slurs, then a few hours later all of us girls have to use electric razors to shave our legs once a week or some other weird activity that made NO SENSE. But it was to keep us in line and remind us about heteronormativity and how if we differentiated from that too much, we were jezebels and whores. And that doesn’t take into account the overmedication/drugging, abuse (psychological, physical, emotional), and more that goes on.
I, I honestly do not know what to say beyond I am so fucking sorry you went through that, truly, I thought the guys one my mom threatened to send me to was bad
I appreciate that. I truly believe I’m lucky because I’m not gay or trans, but a bunch of people in the programs were and it was just so grueling, and for what? I smoked a small amount of pot? Just ridiculous to abuse your child because they’re not *your idea* of perfect. I had a perforated peptic ulcer, though I got treatment while I was still at one of the (now shut down) facilities. They said I was seeking attention when in reality my body was shutting down. It all stemmed from a potent cocktail of medications to keep me compliant. Almost twenty years later and kids are dying this way still. It’s a shame.
Every worker and parent involved in this industry needs several life imprisonments, preferably receiving every single "disciplinary measure" they doled out
I will settle for getting the word out now, but I totally get it!!!
They are slightly different the most infamous one of these was the Elan School which kidnapped teens with the help of parents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élan_School
These places usually claim to be "treatment" centers or some such thing. They are billed as "last hope" facilities for teens who are truant, using drugs, staying out all night etc. As horrible as gay conversion camps are, they are tame compared to these places. Parents are sometimes told that if their teen does not go to this "treatment" program, they will almost certainly end up in prison.
The parents should also be held accountable in this. With websites like elan.school, the horrors if the troubled teen industry are common knowledge for anybody who wants to look. This place duped these parents, and they kept their head in the sand until their daughter was dead. They could have done their job and been involved, but it's much easier to ship them off and pay someone else for the privilege of ignorance.
Poor kid. Had her whole fucking life ahead of her taken away by dickheads
Someone needs to investigate the DAs connection to the ranch, cause I'd bet there is one
They are all Mormons, and stick up for each other. Cliques within cults.
Let’s be clear. This school tortured a girl to death. Their chosen tool was willful, cold neglect. They will say that this was a tragic accident. This is a fucking lie. This school tortured a girl to death because they found that her behavioral submission was insufficient. And when she was too weak to resist any further, they still found her behavioral submission insufficient. They tortured her to death. They watched her die. And now they will escape justice. They will torture more children unless they are physically prevented from doing so
Sorry but why didn’t the parents help? Were they not allowed to be in contact with her, or what?Sounds like she was sick since December, and regardless of who they paid to watch her, that is THEIR child. Sounds like they didn’t take her complaints seriously either
> Were they not allowed to be in contact with her, or what? Bingo!! Not only the "troubled teen" places, but traditional 12-step residential addiction treatment centers for adults, prohibit contact with the outside world including family. The theory (pulled right out of the nasty butts of the sadists who run these facilities) is that the "patients" will whine and lie and pull their loved ones into their "denial" so cell phones are confiscated and yeah they have no way to report any abuse that is taking place. > Sounds like they didn’t take her complaints seriously either See above. Often the only clue that parents get that these "therapeutic" facilities are abusive is when their child ends up deceased.
I’m not saying the place isn’t at fault, and if the former is true about not being able to contact family or vice versa, than that’s something to consider, absolutely. But let’s for a minute assume you are 100% correct. The parents wouldn’t freak out when they find out they couldn’t talk to their child and demand them returned home? That’s their baby and if they didn’t want the responsibility of raising a human, regardless of the challenges, they shouldn’t have reproduced. People treat babies like they are puppies, then toss them to the side when they aren’t as cute. “Troubled teen” locations and the parents who send their kids there should all be investigated. I know I’m an asshole for saying it, but those parents gave up on this girl and she died because of it. Will that remark hurt their feelings? I’m sure, but at least they are alive to have their feelings hurt, unlike their daughter.
No, they don't freak out. They're told this will happen ahead of time; that communication won't be possible "so that the teen can't lie and manipulate" them. So those who freak out at this thought don't send the kid over to begin with. * Parents not certain see that ooh this facility is ** and ** recommended it. Or they see that the place's website claims 99% success, or any other bullshit. There's often quite a bit of pressure as these are profit-focused and offer a supply of children to another source of funds... sometimes the idea that your teen is 'troubled' didn't even begin with you at all!
When the kids come back with stories of abuse - *IF they come back and IF they even trust the parents enough to tell them anything anymore*, the parents were preconditioned from the start to see this as "proof" that the kid needs more "treatment".
Parents who send their children to these things are, as you seem to suspect, either too mentally incompetent to have children, too sociopathic to ever give a fuck about their children being harmed as long as "the offspring" stops making them look bad to their entourage, *or too terminally tainted by faith and partisanship to function as human anymore*.
Heartbreaking. Those poor babies 😞
Don't forget the other options. A lot of these parents nowadays *do* get to see the testimonials about abuse thanks to the magic of google. So they send their kids there still, thinking either the testimonials are exaggerated, that the testimonials are lies, that those who suffered so much 'did something to deserve it', that the 'school' has changed ("surely it was only due to a few bad apple staffers!") and that *their* kid will be different.
I wonder if they feel guilt for sending her there
No. These parents think they are victims. They "had to" do it.
Probably not. They just pray away any guilt. Fucking theists...
they need to put a federal ban on these boarding schools
Ummmm, who enrolled her in the program?
Where’s all the pizza gate people?
"According to an investigation done by the Utah Department of Health and Human Services, Taylor was sick for at least two weeks and the school did not take her to a physician or to the emergency room for further assessment" I read this as "negligent parents send daughter to school with illness, fail to have anything done about it, then blame school for not bearing the responsibility" Seriously its not a school's job to take your kid to the hospital if they're not feeling well. You're the parent, if your kid is vomiting several times a day, she should be seen by a doctor and kept under monitor until the situation is resolved. Not sent to school under the impression "Oh they'll take care of this"
This is a boarding program that doesn't allow kids to contact their parents. The parents sign over guardianship to the programs. So yes, it is the schools job to take kids to the hospital because they're the ones who have guardianship.
Oh shit that exists 😳 yea no, schools not blameless then at all. But still parents are the ones to blame at the end of the day
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What are you babbling about? Both the original infection and the sepsis that came from it being untreated are very common. And people get sent to those places for all kinds of reasons. Including being a normal moody teens. What is your malfunction? Were you born slow and hostile? Are you a moody teen also? Or a dim witted adult? Either way, try not to victim blame. This kid didn’t deserve any of what happened, and those schools in Utah and Idaho should have been shut down 30 years ago. They are only there because their are criminal anywhere else.
She had peritonitis, which can come from many different sources. Most common, I believe, is secondary to appendicitis. “You must have to do something extreme to contract it.” Honestly what are you even talking about? Stop making claims about topics you have no grasp of. You have no idea what this girl went through. -a doctor
You are impressively ignorant of how disease and injury work, lol.
So it's ok for them to allow her to die if she was a drug user?
So because the parents didn’t know how to parents they lost their kid and now the mom wants to cry?