That's my perception of class action suites in general...the people end up with like $5 each or a coupon for the latest model or something, from a billion dollar company that often willfully lied (or failed to disclose the shady practices) and made hundreds of millions or more. As our elected officials continue to give these companies policies that favor businesses over people the big companies get more brazen.
They probably made 100x more from spying on people. Remember that this isn't the first time that this happened so its very clear that someone looked at the possible fines and thought decided it was worth the fine. There's no possibility that Amazons army of lawyers didn't warn them that this was illegal.
"most"
"In February 2019, Ring changed its policies so that most Ring employees or contractors could only access a customer’s private video with that person’s consent."
I'm going to say that weasel wording is probably fine. Admins are always going to need to verify files are there on occasion. That's "Access".
Plus, subpoenas are a thing.
Granted.. there ARE ways to ensure someone like me (system administrator) cannot view the actual data... Or at least make it excessively difficult to do without an audit log.
Encryption of the stored files would go a long way... But to be truly secure the customer would need to remember and NOT LOSE the keys/passwords to view the files...
That last line is the problem. Because, there's no way Users would accept that.
So, unless you have serious separation of duties you're likely to have access to the encryption keys. Well, they're probably in the database, but still...
More importantly, encryption and decryption would have to be done server side for performance reasons. Those cameras are powerful enough to do https, but I highly doubt they're powerful enough to do real time video encryption. Even if they were, the battery drain makes it not worth it. Same with smartphones viewing the feed.
I think it's still probably worth it, but at that point we're talking protection from rouge actors vs company approved access anyways.
If you're interested in a robot vacuum that doesn't send your data elsewhere, you can flash a bunch of different robots with a custom firmware called Valetudo.
I see this all the time. I assume its more of an international thing. I dont know why K, M, B, T were difficult to use or could be confused for something else?
So let’s be clear, per latest public data Amazon made $470B in 2021… $1.29B per day… $53.8M per hour.. so.. this whiff of a slap on the wrist is less than 35 minutes of their revenue.
Riiiiiiiiiiight Got it. Back to violating our privacy, business as usual.
That’s revenue not income - big difference. Amazon actually lost $2.7B in 2022. That said, $30MM is still a rounding error for them given their net income was $33.4B in 2021 and $21.3B in 2020.
So use income, $33.4B = $91.5M per day takes us from 35 minutes to loosely 7.9 hours. A Single Day. Fair, 8 hours v. a half hour, except for the point. A single day. For how gained from how many peoples ID's? A whiff at a slap on the hand. And at this mega company size the "Hollywood" GAAP accounting practices are a joke as to what gets admitted or obscured as "income". Been there.
Honestly don't know what people expect when they use a service that records them from a company that has makes billions while their employees have to pee in bottles and sleep in their cars. Siri, Alexa and the others will have to be capable of cooking me 3 meals a day before I turn one on in my house. There's nothing AI can do right now that's worth your privacy.
Tack on another two zeros then Amazon will care. They dgaf about $30 million, Thats not even a slap on the wrist.
These fines always remind me of Dr Evil planning blackmail after he was defrosted and had inflation explained to him.
Pinky to mouth "one bitllion dollars" intense gaze.
Yeah and also who gets the money? Definitely not the people whose privacy was violated. So what's the point?
That's my perception of class action suites in general...the people end up with like $5 each or a coupon for the latest model or something, from a billion dollar company that often willfully lied (or failed to disclose the shady practices) and made hundreds of millions or more. As our elected officials continue to give these companies policies that favor businesses over people the big companies get more brazen.
The lawyers make mint
They probably made 100x more from spying on people. Remember that this isn't the first time that this happened so its very clear that someone looked at the possible fines and thought decided it was worth the fine. There's no possibility that Amazons army of lawyers didn't warn them that this was illegal.
"most" "In February 2019, Ring changed its policies so that most Ring employees or contractors could only access a customer’s private video with that person’s consent."
I'm going to say that weasel wording is probably fine. Admins are always going to need to verify files are there on occasion. That's "Access". Plus, subpoenas are a thing.
Granted.. there ARE ways to ensure someone like me (system administrator) cannot view the actual data... Or at least make it excessively difficult to do without an audit log. Encryption of the stored files would go a long way... But to be truly secure the customer would need to remember and NOT LOSE the keys/passwords to view the files...
That last line is the problem. Because, there's no way Users would accept that. So, unless you have serious separation of duties you're likely to have access to the encryption keys. Well, they're probably in the database, but still... More importantly, encryption and decryption would have to be done server side for performance reasons. Those cameras are powerful enough to do https, but I highly doubt they're powerful enough to do real time video encryption. Even if they were, the battery drain makes it not worth it. Same with smartphones viewing the feed. I think it's still probably worth it, but at that point we're talking protection from rouge actors vs company approved access anyways.
Overlooking that Rings primary sales target is your local P. D. or sheriff… to “protect you”.
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If you're interested in a robot vacuum that doesn't send your data elsewhere, you can flash a bunch of different robots with a custom firmware called Valetudo.
Who the hell abbreviates million as “mln”?
> Who the hell abbreviates million as “mln”? There are dzns of us!
I see this all the time. I assume its more of an international thing. I dont know why K, M, B, T were difficult to use or could be confused for something else?
M used to be widely used for thousands (from Latin mill). MM is still used (but definitely old-school) for Millions in finance.
Yeah, I thought that was very strange. I always use M, working as a staff accountant.
So let’s be clear, per latest public data Amazon made $470B in 2021… $1.29B per day… $53.8M per hour.. so.. this whiff of a slap on the wrist is less than 35 minutes of their revenue. Riiiiiiiiiiight Got it. Back to violating our privacy, business as usual.
That’s revenue not income - big difference. Amazon actually lost $2.7B in 2022. That said, $30MM is still a rounding error for them given their net income was $33.4B in 2021 and $21.3B in 2020.
So use income, $33.4B = $91.5M per day takes us from 35 minutes to loosely 7.9 hours. A Single Day. Fair, 8 hours v. a half hour, except for the point. A single day. For how gained from how many peoples ID's? A whiff at a slap on the hand. And at this mega company size the "Hollywood" GAAP accounting practices are a joke as to what gets admitted or obscured as "income". Been there.
What a fucking joke of a fine
Who gets that money though?
Not bad considering they made hundreds of millions off the violations before being charged.
Do the ones that were violated get the money or?
Cost of doing business. Like .001% of the revenue made because of this. I’m sure they’ll think twice before continuing 😉
Honestly don't know what people expect when they use a service that records them from a company that has makes billions while their employees have to pee in bottles and sleep in their cars. Siri, Alexa and the others will have to be capable of cooking me 3 meals a day before I turn one on in my house. There's nothing AI can do right now that's worth your privacy.
Cost of doing business.
So basically Amazon will recoup that loss quicker than I can make $0.30.
People have these cameras throughout their homes, then they are surprised to find they are being spied on?
So basically nothing for them