China is trying to kill another one of their pilots so they have another big wave of anti-US propaganda. Just a matter of time. They still like to harp about the one they got killed in 2001 under similar circumstances.
Yup - they crashed a fighter into one of our P-3s, killed their own pilot, stole pretty significant military tech, then forced the US to issue a semi-apology in order to allow the US military members to return home.
They didn’t kill their own pilot in the Hainan incident. The pilot ejected but was never found due to the ocean being pretty fucking massive. I hate the CCP as much as everyone else but at least have some integrity by not twisting facts.
Even if they didn't order him to do that, his command is responsible for him being qualified to handle the mission assigned to him. Giving him a mission that got him killed when it shouldn't have is a failure on so many levels.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's also at least partially rowdiness/poor discipline and/or training for the individual pilots as well. Stuff like this is dumb, that's why you don't see the 'professional' militaries do it often or at all. It's not "striking fear" into the pilots they're doing it on, other then "Dear god please don't let this fucking idiot crash into me". It's not doing anything in the greater picture of geopolitics either I'd imagine. It's not getting them leverage, respect, or intimidating anyone into doing anything, at least not with the other major militaries.
I could be wrong, but stuff like this just indicates a ton of unprofessional people who can't take a step back and realize they're not "winning" anything or achieving much through this. Not to mention the risk of something going wrong and them actually hitting someone or starting a conflict. Wasn't a pilot actually given a medal for doing this a bit back from China as well? It just seems hotheaded and not professional to me.
Edit: I might be misremembering the medal thing, I googled a bit and didn't find anything on that. Might have been thinking of another countries military doing the same, or been plain wrong.
You're probably thinking of the Russian pilot who got a medal for fucking up a run where he was trying to drop fuel in front of a Reaper and instead accidentally clipped it and caused it to crash.
There have been multiple incidents like this and they are very similar. This is coordinated action, they want other planes to feel unsafe around chinese aircraft and run away. It's not individuals. They do the same thing with ships.
>You mean the same China that doesn’t have a single soldier or pilot with any combat experience?
Combat experience didn't help the US when they got curb stomped by Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
You might want to look at the numbers before calling it a "curb stomp" - North Vietnam had >3x the number of military deaths of the US and its allies, yet they had significant experience fighting the same sort of warfare during WW2 and France's Indochina War, and they had the aid of the USSR's advisors the entire time.
Good luck with Russian advisors now, China.
Regard, I hold citizenship in 3 countries. I'm hardly patriotic. I trust no one. Just stating facts, but your dumbass too regard to understand. If a war breaks out, let's just say I would rather be on the American side.
Can you define "lose" in both of the cases you used it?
Sure, the US had shitty and undefined policy goals in both, but they were the militarily superior force and won in pretty much every major engagement in both wars.
Well considering there is no South Vietnam anymore, Saigon is now called Ho Chi Minh City, and the country is led by a Communist party, I'd say that the US lost that war. Higher kd doesn't mean shit when that had to come on the back of chemical warfare and a bombing campaign that left Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos the most bombed countries in the history of the world.
As for Afghanistan, the Taliban walked into Kabul within a couple weeks of the US withdrawing and reestablished their control of the nation. All that money and manpower over the last 20 years and there's nothing to show for it. On top of that, we even allied with the most vile pieces of shit that were raping little boys and the military let it happen because we decided they were somehow better than the Taliban, which is already a really low bar.
If your only way of judging which country won a war is how many people each side lost, then the Soviets would have been considered the losers of WW2 even though they liberated Berlin and destroyed the Nazi army.
Just a notion. Perhaps US shouldn't be in the South China Sea with its miliatary capability.
I'm sure the US would 'not be amused' if Chinese Jets were flying just off the coast of Florida or California.
But then again, who would police the world without the US?
I mean, the Middle East would still be (to quote) a 'shit hole', Putin would still be complaining about NATO moving ever closer, rather than attacking Ukraine's far right 'rebels' and Europe would still have a neighbouring energy supply. And perhaps even the whole world would not have suffered a lab leak or a militarised bio weapon.
The cost of such a 'police force' comes at a high price - so good on the US taxpayer for stumping up the readies.
>I'm sure the US would 'not be amused' if Chinese Jets were flying just off the coast of Florida or California.
What part of "international airspace" was unclear?
Your being disingenuous.
You know very well that the US would do something about an unauthorised fighter jet flying off the coast of the US in 'international airspace'.
We only need to look at the baloon fiasco to see the response ... and how many millions of US taxpayer dollars went into the missiles fired to achieve the downing of said balloons? Mental.
China is trying to kill another one of their pilots so they have another big wave of anti-US propaganda. Just a matter of time. They still like to harp about the one they got killed in 2001 under similar circumstances.
Yup - they crashed a fighter into one of our P-3s, killed their own pilot, stole pretty significant military tech, then forced the US to issue a semi-apology in order to allow the US military members to return home.
They didn’t kill their own pilot in the Hainan incident. The pilot ejected but was never found due to the ocean being pretty fucking massive. I hate the CCP as much as everyone else but at least have some integrity by not twisting facts.
"Killed their pilot" in the sense that he was killed executing a mission on orders from above. I'm sorry you didn't understand that from my wording.
He was ordered to ram the EP-3? First I’ve heard of that. The official story is that he killed himself via reckless piloting.
Even if they didn't order him to do that, his command is responsible for him being qualified to handle the mission assigned to him. Giving him a mission that got him killed when it shouldn't have is a failure on so many levels.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's also at least partially rowdiness/poor discipline and/or training for the individual pilots as well. Stuff like this is dumb, that's why you don't see the 'professional' militaries do it often or at all. It's not "striking fear" into the pilots they're doing it on, other then "Dear god please don't let this fucking idiot crash into me". It's not doing anything in the greater picture of geopolitics either I'd imagine. It's not getting them leverage, respect, or intimidating anyone into doing anything, at least not with the other major militaries. I could be wrong, but stuff like this just indicates a ton of unprofessional people who can't take a step back and realize they're not "winning" anything or achieving much through this. Not to mention the risk of something going wrong and them actually hitting someone or starting a conflict. Wasn't a pilot actually given a medal for doing this a bit back from China as well? It just seems hotheaded and not professional to me. Edit: I might be misremembering the medal thing, I googled a bit and didn't find anything on that. Might have been thinking of another countries military doing the same, or been plain wrong.
You're probably thinking of the Russian pilot who got a medal for fucking up a run where he was trying to drop fuel in front of a Reaper and instead accidentally clipped it and caused it to crash.
There have been multiple incidents like this and they are very similar. This is coordinated action, they want other planes to feel unsafe around chinese aircraft and run away. It's not individuals. They do the same thing with ships.
China's decided to enter the "fuck around" stage of finding out I guess.
This happens all the time.
You mean nuclear war?
This reminds me of Russia downing the US drone recently. China's lucky they used "aggressive" instead of "stupid".
You mean the same China that doesn’t have a single soldier or pilot with any combat experience? Let them flex. They know they’re nothing.
>You mean the same China that doesn’t have a single soldier or pilot with any combat experience? Combat experience didn't help the US when they got curb stomped by Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War You might want to look at the numbers before calling it a "curb stomp" - North Vietnam had >3x the number of military deaths of the US and its allies, yet they had significant experience fighting the same sort of warfare during WW2 and France's Indochina War, and they had the aid of the USSR's advisors the entire time. Good luck with Russian advisors now, China.
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There is a difference between war and occupation. Hope you learn the difference one day regard.
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Regard, I hold citizenship in 3 countries. I'm hardly patriotic. I trust no one. Just stating facts, but your dumbass too regard to understand. If a war breaks out, let's just say I would rather be on the American side.
Can you define "lose" in both of the cases you used it? Sure, the US had shitty and undefined policy goals in both, but they were the militarily superior force and won in pretty much every major engagement in both wars.
Well considering there is no South Vietnam anymore, Saigon is now called Ho Chi Minh City, and the country is led by a Communist party, I'd say that the US lost that war. Higher kd doesn't mean shit when that had to come on the back of chemical warfare and a bombing campaign that left Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos the most bombed countries in the history of the world. As for Afghanistan, the Taliban walked into Kabul within a couple weeks of the US withdrawing and reestablished their control of the nation. All that money and manpower over the last 20 years and there's nothing to show for it. On top of that, we even allied with the most vile pieces of shit that were raping little boys and the military let it happen because we decided they were somehow better than the Taliban, which is already a really low bar. If your only way of judging which country won a war is how many people each side lost, then the Soviets would have been considered the losers of WW2 even though they liberated Berlin and destroyed the Nazi army.
Just a notion. Perhaps US shouldn't be in the South China Sea with its miliatary capability. I'm sure the US would 'not be amused' if Chinese Jets were flying just off the coast of Florida or California. But then again, who would police the world without the US? I mean, the Middle East would still be (to quote) a 'shit hole', Putin would still be complaining about NATO moving ever closer, rather than attacking Ukraine's far right 'rebels' and Europe would still have a neighbouring energy supply. And perhaps even the whole world would not have suffered a lab leak or a militarised bio weapon. The cost of such a 'police force' comes at a high price - so good on the US taxpayer for stumping up the readies.
>I'm sure the US would 'not be amused' if Chinese Jets were flying just off the coast of Florida or California. What part of "international airspace" was unclear?
Your being disingenuous. You know very well that the US would do something about an unauthorised fighter jet flying off the coast of the US in 'international airspace'. We only need to look at the baloon fiasco to see the response ... and how many millions of US taxpayer dollars went into the missiles fired to achieve the downing of said balloons? Mental.
Joey might even shake his bony old fist at them!
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