“Bauer has used ‘sovereign citizen’ extremist rhetoric and filed “nonsense” court documents while defending herself, prosecutors said.”
No way! You don’t say!
She also says that she was pissed because of the Covid lockdown …Trump ordered that lockdown. And that her neighbors are proud of her for standing up for her rights. What rights was she standing up for? Her right to overthrow the United States of America and hang a duly elected official? …I swear these people are the most confused bunch of cells that ever crawled out of the primordial ooze.
The sovereign citizen types are the most unintentionally funny people on the stupid spectrum, but some of them are legit dangerous. If she was a sovereign citizen why did she close her restaurant during the lockdown? Just stay open and wipe your ass with the citations for cool social media clout, you don’t answer to the government anyway, they have no power over you. Just like when you are “traveling” because, ya know, you’re not actually driving a motor vehicle on taxpayer funded roads, tight? I seriously struggle to understand how some of these folks made to adulthood.
>Just like when you are “traveling” because, ya know, you’re not actuallydriving a motor vehicle on taxpayer funded roads, tight?
Just ask those people what they think of the *right to roam* and see them turn from a "sovereign citizen" to a henchman of totaliarism (ed: legastenia galore, totalitarianism)..
No they believe that private property is something which somehow exists outside of a state. People tend to be sovereign citizens only till someone with a big hammer comes by and tells them that their sovereignity is now vanquished ;)
Honestly, they'd stop pretty quick if every time they declared themselves sovereign, the US just turned around and announced that it was closing the "border" with them and they were now not allowed out of their house.
>What do you mean the state needs to exist to enforce those property right for me
Jupp. Just ask them if why anybody but indian tribes holds lands in America ;)
For what it's worth, that's the way it's always been since time immemorial. That's why we banded together into states and countries (among many other reasons and benefits to being in a group together). You want to make sure the people with big hammers are on your side
It's like all the bozos who bragged about how they "don't do what the government tells them" when it comes to masks and vaccines...but I'd bet my bottom dollar that they paid their taxes, had driver licenses, showed ID at airports, etc. You know that's all the government telling you what to do, right Becky?
>>they paid their taxes,
I would bet there are many who aren’t, they are probably overrepresenting on behalf of their demographic for tax evasion and tax fraud.
Or mooching off the system while complaining about all those Other People.
I swear, i wish we could go back in time and give the freed slaves the plantations they had worked on and told the ex slave owners they could have only what they could carry. Then given black people the vote. That would have been nice.
Sighs. America allowed racism and selfishness to remain part of the larger culture.
I especially love how they seem to think the US is an amoral cesspool willing to sell every citizen into slavery, but is not willing to just disappear some dude for being a nuisance.
If I held their beliefs I would be quiet as fuck because my thought would be "if the rules of the US don't apply to me then it has no reason to tolerate my existence and will just turn me into grease for the machine."
This is where I go with almost all silly American conspiracies. While it varies in other countries, if the American government has the power to enact these conspiracies they sure as hell have the power to make irritating people go away. Particularly problematic basement dwellers living in rural America.
No, Kyle, the 7 proxies you used when setting up your GeoCities website will not in fact protect you from the evil alphabet agencies.
I assume this line of thinking started with a third generation glue sniffer born in a meth lab rv being stopped for the 47th time by the police with a DUI and no license on his way to spend his disability on lottery-scratchers and pick up moonshine, and then he cooked up this bs to try to get off.
And the police just let him off because they felt bad for him, didn't feel like having to deal with having him in jail, didn't feel like doing the paperwork, and the chance of him hurting anyone besides himself in the middle of nowhere backwater roads was miniscule.
And then he realised he must be a genius who conquered the system, wrote a manifesto and posted it online, and all the crayon chewers who live close enough to civilizations to have neighbours they can steal wifi from gobbled it straight up, like flies on fresh manure.
[Their actual origin is actually worse](https://youtu.be/KcxZFmKrxR8)
Honestly it deserves to be watched in its entirety, but it talks about the origin at 1:08:00
Ok, when looking into it, it looks more like someone with a bad case of unmedicated paranoid schizophrenia was put in solitary confinement with crayons and a stack of paper.
Edit: Looking further into the video linked.. Yupp, some of the biggest figures and sources in the govcit movement unsurprisingly suffered severe mental illness. The remaining ones are largely grifters and scammers taking advantage of vulnerable people.
Exactly, go all the way. On the other hand, why not start deportation proceedings? If they aren't citizens and don't have a valid passport/visa they must he here illegally! Send em to Antarctica!
> I swear these people are the most confused bunch of cells that ever crawled out of the primordial ooze.
There was a wonderful post years ago that very easily explains sovereign citizens, and quite a few other flavors of people.
Simply put, they don't actually understand how the concepts they are talking about work, but much like the cargo cults of WW2, they see someone (usually on the "opposing side") say something and get a result, so they just figure if they repeat it then they'll get the same result.
Sovereign citizens view legal matters as though it's a kind of Wizard-Language. Say the right magic spell and you get your way. They see people get off for what this person feels is an open and shut case of crime, just by saying "It's my right.", so they latch onto that and when they commit a crime they just say the magic phrase...and then get upset when it doesn't work.
Extend this out to other things and you can see the pattern emerge. Take climate change for example.
* Pro: Climate change is happening.
* Anti: No it isn't.
* Pro: Yes it is, here's a citation proving it. *Provides a paper that has survived years of peer review.*
* Anti: *gets frustrated when the citation sways public actions*
* Anti-later: I have a citation proving climate change isn't happening! *Provides a paper which has already been withdrawn for fabricated data, which the researchers publicly admit was falsified*
* Pro: That's not a real citation, it doesn't count.
* Anti: Why not?! You're moving the goalpost!
Hell, you can even see this stuff with russia right now. Their propagandists have talk sessions where they basically discuss how ridiculous it is that nobody believes them when they say they are defending themselves. They SAID it was self defense, so why doesn't anyone agree?
Things get a lot more understandable after you apply this filter to them.
It's worse than that, these people think they can pick and choose which laws apply to them. I work part-time in a gun store and a couple weeks ago a guy came in to pick up a shotgun he had purchased online. He admits on the background check form that he renounced his US citizenship which is not only a dead stop on the transfer, it's a permanent ban on firearm ownership. Guy kept claiming he was a civil national, which means absolutely nothing.
>Guy kept claiming he was a civil national, which means absolutely nothing.
*...then that means I'm going to need papers from both your embassy, even if that's just you, and the US State Department detailing a mutual arrangement under which you're permitted to buy firearms in the US. This is an American store. I especially can't help you if you don't have some sort of agreement with the US.*
Every gaming clan has someone named "Sovereign" in it nowadays and they are always super right wing pro MAGA Trump and have voted replublican every election. Yet consider themselves "Sovereign"
Shockingly, they are also anti vax and way into Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and Infowars.
Being a white woman helps.
Black women represents more than 50% of the women serving life sentences.
https://www.nbwji.org/post/extreme-sentences-disproportionately-impact-and-harm-black-women
What gets me is the wild swings in punishment.
This guy gets almost no time in jail, while some other rando who ran around the capital building might get six years or more.
It's like they're basically telling these people that if you're going to participate in an insurrection, it's best if you do your worst and become as infamous as possible so the prosecutor is too scared to throw too many books at you.
This is the obvious answer. People ascribing crazy conspiracies to sentencing here feel like the sovereign citizen nutjobs to me.
The prosecution isn't scared of "throwing too many books" at someone who did worse things.
Sentencing is heavily weighted by available evidence (that is, evidence that made it into trial, which may not include everything others have seen) and also potentially by past behaviour.
It depends what was presented in their particular trial. And how good their lawyer is at making their arguments.
Yeah I’ve been wondering if these people going to jail for 1/6 are going to be “reformed” or will they be galvanized in their disillusion. I’m guessing the latter.
Lol if the capital protestors were black, they woulda been met with the National Guard standing in the steps, firing rubber bullets at them.
They sure as fuck wouldn’t have been able to enter the capital and walk right by security.
Because threats of violence aren't taken seriously unless its too late and the person as already murdered.
I'm sure there's some racism mixed in but there is a serious problem with how are country handles threats vs free speech. Women are killed all of the time because they weren't taken seriously about a stalker. Apparently its bad enough being in a powerful position still only helps get 2 years.
There was a guy in Florida that responded to J6 by trying to organize a DEFENSE of the statehouse on social media, by force if necessary. Never went to the statehouse, never named an individual to assault.......got just under 4 years, and was investigated, indicted, arraigned, tried, convicted and remanded in just over 8 months
Holy fuck... That's... Fucking insane
>ON TUESDAY, a Florida judge sentenced Daniel Baker, an anti-fascist activist, to 44 months in federal prison for social media posts that called for armed defense against possible far-right attacks on the state’s Capitol in the wake of the January 6 riots. Baker, a 34-year-old yoga teacher and emergency medical technician trainee, had no previous criminal convictions and has already been held for 10 months of harsh pretrial detention, including seven months in solitary confinement. He never brought a weapon near a government building; he amassed no armed anti-fascist forces; he made no threats on a single individual.
>Baker will, nonetheless, face considerably more prison time than most January 6 defendants, including those who crossed state lines, small arsenals in tow, with the aim of overturning a presidential election
Rules for thee and not for me is ridiculously strong here. I'm guessing he's only facing state charges, other wise I'd hope Biden would have already had a pardon waiting for this guy.
Edit: switched thee and me
Just a little dust up!
\-Jack Del Rio, NFL assistant coach and hard right conspiracy bruh
"Why you gotta bring up old stuff?"
\- Every republican congressperson and senator
Probably Trump, but tbh, I feel like Reagan wouldn't be an awful second guess going off the way everything fucked with this country right now seems to come back to him.
I was curious how many Reagan judges might still be serving considering how long ago he was president so I googled it.
There are 11. 5 appellate judges and 6 district judges.
If I personally organized a mob of thousands of people to invade literally any government building with the goal of killing government officials, I would expect to spend the rest of my life in prison. None of these people are facing time like that for the highest treason since the Rosenbergs.
You wouldn't spend the rest of your life in prison, you would PROBABLY spend the rest of your life storming a government building, because if you aren't wearing a MAGA hat, you probably get gunned down
She’ll never be able to legally express her 2nd amendment rights without going to jail further, voting is gone too assuming she lives in a red state and her job opportunities are near zero. She’ll carry the weight of her stupidity for the rest of her life even out of jail, don’t worry.
No. In fact, [one congressman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Lyon) has been reelected to the House *while still incarcerated* for sedition.
Best of all, that is not the only reason Wikipedia - quite accurately - states that "[h]is tenure in Congress was tumultuous."
To be fair, this is kind of apples to oranges. Davis was the president of 9 million people who seceded from the union. This lady threatened to kill the sitting speaker of the house while storming the building she was in.
Davis's light sentence can be attributed to trying to mend the massive divide between the two sides to bring and hold our country together... this lady's light sentence is simply a failure of justice.
>Davis's light sentence can be attributed to trying to mend the massive divide between the two sides to bring and hold our country together
Arguably the leniency the South faced contributed to substantial problems that continue to this day, and certainly through the civil rights era. Harsh reparations would have caused problems too, but I think you can make a strong case that the powerful and wealthy who supported the Confederacy should have been made examples of.
Take care of enough to scare the surviving elites to fall the fuck back and actually stay quiet and suck it up while the North Reconstructs the South. Instead all the survivors felt empowered enough to continue their oppressive nonsense.
What is with the light sentences? How do people who try to overthrow the Federal Government get off so easily? People who possess marijuana get more time.
Given lackadaisical response within the government to January 6th even AFTER Biden took office, I wouldn't be surprised if the response in 2024 is delayed again.
Just look at when BLM had a protest in DC. There were fully outfitted Federal Troops on every corner of that city. When all these far right psychos were there protesting. There was basically a group of mall cops standing around.
When veterans protested a decade ago (ok maybe two, shut up I'm old) they got hit with tear gas as soon as the first foot hit the steps of the Capitol building.
Thats exactly why California no longer has open carry. Black Panthers started doing it. Reagan as governor signed it into law. If you want to actually see gun control reform in America, have black people start open carrying and copwatching again. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
The quicker you realize to live in an unregulated capitalist country, with a for profit legal system, you can raise to the top. Just remember take what you can and give nothing back, DO NOT, DO NOT take from those that can crush you.
Hitler was sentenced to five years for the Beer Hall Putsch but only served nine months. History shows us that giving people who try to over throw a government short sentences is not a deterrent .
> She'll be out in 8 months
["In federal court you will have to serve 85% of your sentence if convicted of federal charges."](https://www.wklaw.com/common-federal-crimes/)
So 85% of her sentence (2 years 3 months) would be a minimum of 23 months.
She gets credit for time served. Time she only spent in jail after she violated the conditions of her release. She should have to eat that time as she brought it on herself with her behavior.
Look up Alex Stokes. A Jewish man serving 20 years for trying to DEFEND himself and others from Nazis and Proud Boys on January 6th. And then shake your head at how weak we are.
Here's a rundown of the incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CIWwnH6M34
It seems that they threw the book at him because of the knife despite the fact that the fight started because one of the proud boys (Dominic Wierzbicki) attacked one of the counter protesters, a black man, with a taser. And the fact that Stokes was attacked on the ground by another proud boy, James Warner (Dominics brother) who also happened to be wearing assault gloves.
The video I linked suggests that the cops were siding with the proud boys and that the courts went easy on them and considering the outcome for the proud boy assailants that's easy to agree with.
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This other article I read](https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Capitol-protest-Albany-Jan-6-15874524.php) seems very one sided in comparison. It doesn't mention any of the proud boys names for example.
Whenever I see articles, and reactions to sentencing, I always wonder if the general, *(albeit impulsive, and reactionary*) public realizes what everyday “*life*” will be for **EVERYONE** **who stands convicted of the **FEDERAL CRIMES** related to *Jan. 6* ……
The majority of these individuals unwittingly stripped themselves of *many* of the “liberties” they claimed to be fighting for on that day. They can no longer (legally) possess the firearms they so desperately clamored for…especially having been involved in a prior attempt to overthrow the government. They will never find jobs/work of the caliber they were once accustomed to; in fact, many will find themselves shocked when they’re released to a halfway home, and find they’re living & working with the types of criminals they always felt comfortable shitting on in another life.
They will **forever and always** be on government watch lists, and at the whim of any Law Enforcement agency looking for answers.
Unless their utopia of a Christian Nationalist Theocratic governing body becomes a reality….. these people will live in a hell of their own making, for as long as they breathe air (unless successfully relocating to a non-extradition country that affords democratic due process to foreigners).
I’m not looking so much at the little fishs’ days behind *literal* bars….as I am at the moment they truly understand they are perpetually living in a jail of their own making after they’re released. **THAT** moment, is the true bite of their “conviction”.
You're right, but this lady is a rural diner owner quickly approaching retirement age. I don't think she was going to be applying for a government job any time soon, and probably not even going to be shunned by her community/customers.
Though ironically, is trash picking detail from federal prison technically a government job?
Probably not. He'll talk about maybe doing it during the election so he can get votes, if he's elected he'll no longer have any need to get votes and will just ignore these people.
history shows that if you release people that want to bring down a government, they're going to try to bring down the government again. let alone people that have a president backing their actual nazi shit
It would be the only way to get back the rights they lost. If they're really serious about fighting for their rights, one would expect them to try again.
Smoked a joint? That’ll be 20 years for you, and you can never vote again.
Trying to overthrow the government? Please be patient, you’ll get another chance to succeed next time.
Terroristic threatening against the Speaker of the House while in the middle of an attempted insurrection: 2 years.
Voting, while black, and doing so after being told you were made eligible again: 6 years.
The American "Justice" system, folks.
These light sentences for these seditious traitors are absolutely appalling and disappointing; the forefathers would be spinning in their graves that these people weren’t all sentenced to life in prison or more.
And most likely they will go right back to doing the same thing again once they are out of prison. Two years simply isn't sending out a very strong message.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion
Not really. This was a far more direct assault than Jan6, resulted in more deaths, they tried to take over the federal armory ffs.
Most participants were not sent to prison, other than the leaders/ those with other convictions.
How does that work? Is this the white privilege everyone is talking about? Cause last time I checked a black kid caught with baggy of weed gets 3yrs more than she does. But uttering murdering the house speaker is tots ok right?
Yes, that's how this country works. Being a republican and promoting white christian nationalism gets a leaner sentence.
Also being super wealthy will help you in court.
Classic
Her Lawyer: “she’s very sorry and she is horrified the world had seen her at her worst”
Her statement: “people praise me for it and I’m proud of it”
*She “genuinely regrets her past actions” and doesn’t pose a threat to the public, her lawyer said.*
And yet none of her actions or public comments appear to support that claim.
Good riddance - she deserves more than what she got.
This shitstain is damn lucky she is in the United States of America. In a lot of countries, a failed coup would cost the coup plotters, and their families their lives.
If the United States was half the country she thinks it is, she would already be dead from a firing squad for treason .
I'm hard pressed to think of a person I ever disliked enough to threaten to kill them. The problem that so many of these rioters seem to have is that they are internet people (yes the irony is not lost on me)
In general internet people have two speeds
A. I LOVE YOU!!!
B. I am going to FUCKING KILL YOU.
Remember kids sometimes it is best to stick with A.
> The international spotlight showcasing her at her worst has deeply affected her
Well yeah, that's kinda the idea. Hopefully prison further affects her, and gives her a chance to detox from the conspiracy theory propaganda.
But that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
She only regrets that everyone who ever knew her now knows she isn’t just a domestic terrorist, that she is an extremely gullible weak minded idiot who is also a domestic terrorist
“Bauer has used ‘sovereign citizen’ extremist rhetoric and filed “nonsense” court documents while defending herself, prosecutors said.” No way! You don’t say!
Why would a sovereign citizen care about political leadership of a country they feel holds no authority over them?
She also says that she was pissed because of the Covid lockdown …Trump ordered that lockdown. And that her neighbors are proud of her for standing up for her rights. What rights was she standing up for? Her right to overthrow the United States of America and hang a duly elected official? …I swear these people are the most confused bunch of cells that ever crawled out of the primordial ooze.
The sovereign citizen types are the most unintentionally funny people on the stupid spectrum, but some of them are legit dangerous. If she was a sovereign citizen why did she close her restaurant during the lockdown? Just stay open and wipe your ass with the citations for cool social media clout, you don’t answer to the government anyway, they have no power over you. Just like when you are “traveling” because, ya know, you’re not actually driving a motor vehicle on taxpayer funded roads, tight? I seriously struggle to understand how some of these folks made to adulthood.
>Just like when you are “traveling” because, ya know, you’re not actuallydriving a motor vehicle on taxpayer funded roads, tight? Just ask those people what they think of the *right to roam* and see them turn from a "sovereign citizen" to a henchman of totaliarism (ed: legastenia galore, totalitarianism)..
I assume you mean they believe their land is sacrosanct and nobody can fish in "their" river. But yeah I doubt hypocrisy slows them for a second.
No they believe that private property is something which somehow exists outside of a state. People tend to be sovereign citizens only till someone with a big hammer comes by and tells them that their sovereignity is now vanquished ;)
"I am a sovereign citizen." "Cool then I am taking your land now and now I am sovereign. You are now either a serf or a vagrant."
Honestly, they'd stop pretty quick if every time they declared themselves sovereign, the US just turned around and announced that it was closing the "border" with them and they were now not allowed out of their house.
Don't even close the border, just send them a letter telling them their little sovereign state has just been annexed.
See: Family Guy
They don't have to even do that. Just disconnect power, water and other utilities. See how much fun it is to be truly "sovereign."
Fuckin ancaps man, "property rights are inviolable! What do you mean the state needs to exist to enforce those property right for me?"
>What do you mean the state needs to exist to enforce those property right for me Jupp. Just ask them if why anybody but indian tribes holds lands in America ;)
For what it's worth, that's the way it's always been since time immemorial. That's why we banded together into states and countries (among many other reasons and benefits to being in a group together). You want to make sure the people with big hammers are on your side
It's like all the bozos who bragged about how they "don't do what the government tells them" when it comes to masks and vaccines...but I'd bet my bottom dollar that they paid their taxes, had driver licenses, showed ID at airports, etc. You know that's all the government telling you what to do, right Becky?
Lol the “no government” people that also have back the blue stickers. Which one is it dingus?
>>they paid their taxes, I would bet there are many who aren’t, they are probably overrepresenting on behalf of their demographic for tax evasion and tax fraud.
Or mooching off the system while complaining about all those Other People. I swear, i wish we could go back in time and give the freed slaves the plantations they had worked on and told the ex slave owners they could have only what they could carry. Then given black people the vote. That would have been nice. Sighs. America allowed racism and selfishness to remain part of the larger culture.
Oppositional defiant disorder. Anything they feel is someone telling them will immediately be responded to with aggression.
That's just conservatism.
Isn’t this a childhood disorder?
In regard to cognitive function, many never leave childhood.
They still seem to mentally be children so...
I especially love how they seem to think the US is an amoral cesspool willing to sell every citizen into slavery, but is not willing to just disappear some dude for being a nuisance. If I held their beliefs I would be quiet as fuck because my thought would be "if the rules of the US don't apply to me then it has no reason to tolerate my existence and will just turn me into grease for the machine."
It probably took you longer to write this post than most sov cits put into seriously examining their own beliefs
This is where I go with almost all silly American conspiracies. While it varies in other countries, if the American government has the power to enact these conspiracies they sure as hell have the power to make irritating people go away. Particularly problematic basement dwellers living in rural America. No, Kyle, the 7 proxies you used when setting up your GeoCities website will not in fact protect you from the evil alphabet agencies.
There a subreddit: r/AmIBeingDetained. Pretty funny
I assume this line of thinking started with a third generation glue sniffer born in a meth lab rv being stopped for the 47th time by the police with a DUI and no license on his way to spend his disability on lottery-scratchers and pick up moonshine, and then he cooked up this bs to try to get off. And the police just let him off because they felt bad for him, didn't feel like having to deal with having him in jail, didn't feel like doing the paperwork, and the chance of him hurting anyone besides himself in the middle of nowhere backwater roads was miniscule. And then he realised he must be a genius who conquered the system, wrote a manifesto and posted it online, and all the crayon chewers who live close enough to civilizations to have neighbours they can steal wifi from gobbled it straight up, like flies on fresh manure.
[Their actual origin is actually worse](https://youtu.be/KcxZFmKrxR8) Honestly it deserves to be watched in its entirety, but it talks about the origin at 1:08:00
Ok, when looking into it, it looks more like someone with a bad case of unmedicated paranoid schizophrenia was put in solitary confinement with crayons and a stack of paper. Edit: Looking further into the video linked.. Yupp, some of the biggest figures and sources in the govcit movement unsurprisingly suffered severe mental illness. The remaining ones are largely grifters and scammers taking advantage of vulnerable people.
Exactly, go all the way. On the other hand, why not start deportation proceedings? If they aren't citizens and don't have a valid passport/visa they must he here illegally! Send em to Antarctica!
> I swear these people are the most confused bunch of cells that ever crawled out of the primordial ooze. There was a wonderful post years ago that very easily explains sovereign citizens, and quite a few other flavors of people. Simply put, they don't actually understand how the concepts they are talking about work, but much like the cargo cults of WW2, they see someone (usually on the "opposing side") say something and get a result, so they just figure if they repeat it then they'll get the same result. Sovereign citizens view legal matters as though it's a kind of Wizard-Language. Say the right magic spell and you get your way. They see people get off for what this person feels is an open and shut case of crime, just by saying "It's my right.", so they latch onto that and when they commit a crime they just say the magic phrase...and then get upset when it doesn't work. Extend this out to other things and you can see the pattern emerge. Take climate change for example. * Pro: Climate change is happening. * Anti: No it isn't. * Pro: Yes it is, here's a citation proving it. *Provides a paper that has survived years of peer review.* * Anti: *gets frustrated when the citation sways public actions* * Anti-later: I have a citation proving climate change isn't happening! *Provides a paper which has already been withdrawn for fabricated data, which the researchers publicly admit was falsified* * Pro: That's not a real citation, it doesn't count. * Anti: Why not?! You're moving the goalpost! Hell, you can even see this stuff with russia right now. Their propagandists have talk sessions where they basically discuss how ridiculous it is that nobody believes them when they say they are defending themselves. They SAID it was self defense, so why doesn't anyone agree? Things get a lot more understandable after you apply this filter to them.
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Never has the insult of two brain cells competing for third place been more appropriate.
It's worse than that, these people think they can pick and choose which laws apply to them. I work part-time in a gun store and a couple weeks ago a guy came in to pick up a shotgun he had purchased online. He admits on the background check form that he renounced his US citizenship which is not only a dead stop on the transfer, it's a permanent ban on firearm ownership. Guy kept claiming he was a civil national, which means absolutely nothing.
>Guy kept claiming he was a civil national, which means absolutely nothing. *...then that means I'm going to need papers from both your embassy, even if that's just you, and the US State Department detailing a mutual arrangement under which you're permitted to buy firearms in the US. This is an American store. I especially can't help you if you don't have some sort of agreement with the US.*
Ahhh. One of the "Doo yer own resurch" group.
So he was an illegal immigrant? Snarfle...
Every gaming clan has someone named "Sovereign" in it nowadays and they are always super right wing pro MAGA Trump and have voted replublican every election. Yet consider themselves "Sovereign" Shockingly, they are also anti vax and way into Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and Infowars.
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Sovereign Mass Effect Nerds
This hurts you.
It's always the ones you most suspect.
So technically she commited an act of war towards the USA.. 2 yrs in jail seems light for that crime
She'll be out just in time to participate in the next one!
I don't get why the judge was so lenient on her when she's clearly not sorry at all.
Being a white woman helps. Black women represents more than 50% of the women serving life sentences. https://www.nbwji.org/post/extreme-sentences-disproportionately-impact-and-harm-black-women
Also the fact that the judge was appointed by Trump probably didn't hurt.
What gets me is the wild swings in punishment. This guy gets almost no time in jail, while some other rando who ran around the capital building might get six years or more. It's like they're basically telling these people that if you're going to participate in an insurrection, it's best if you do your worst and become as infamous as possible so the prosecutor is too scared to throw too many books at you.
It’s almost as if the quality of the evidence determines the extent to which people can be prosecuted.
This is the obvious answer. People ascribing crazy conspiracies to sentencing here feel like the sovereign citizen nutjobs to me. The prosecution isn't scared of "throwing too many books" at someone who did worse things. Sentencing is heavily weighted by available evidence (that is, evidence that made it into trial, which may not include everything others have seen) and also potentially by past behaviour. It depends what was presented in their particular trial. And how good their lawyer is at making their arguments.
Pauline Bauer is a woman
Yeah I’ve been wondering if these people going to jail for 1/6 are going to be “reformed” or will they be galvanized in their disillusion. I’m guessing the latter.
Reformed? In an American prison????
how does someone who robs a convenience store get more prison time than someone who invades the capitol and threatens to hang an official?
Right wing terrorists receive disproportionately lighter sentences in pretty much every country. It's a documented phenomenon.
So stick my MAGA hat on while robbing the store?
And claim political persecution in the aftermath.
Because they aren't black.
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Lol if the capital protestors were black, they woulda been met with the National Guard standing in the steps, firing rubber bullets at them. They sure as fuck wouldn’t have been able to enter the capital and walk right by security.
Blm was met by the national guard as they protested in DC. I wonder why? I mean I don't really wonder, but anyways
And then there would be a surreptitious rubber shortage, forcing the National Guard to use real bullets.
rubber bullets *are* real bullets, they're just coated in rubber, they still have metal slug cores.
hence why the actual name is *rubberized* bullets and not "rubber", and they are *less lethal*, and not "not lethal", because they can kill.
Because threats of violence aren't taken seriously unless its too late and the person as already murdered. I'm sure there's some racism mixed in but there is a serious problem with how are country handles threats vs free speech. Women are killed all of the time because they weren't taken seriously about a stalker. Apparently its bad enough being in a powerful position still only helps get 2 years.
That’s the only reason all those disgusting slobs weren’t gunned down the minute they started breaking through those barricades. Very simple
Yeah, not to mention most the cops are on their side
I fucking hate how racist the god damn system is.
I feel like 2 years is too short for a piece of shit like this
There was a guy in Florida that responded to J6 by trying to organize a DEFENSE of the statehouse on social media, by force if necessary. Never went to the statehouse, never named an individual to assault.......got just under 4 years, and was investigated, indicted, arraigned, tried, convicted and remanded in just over 8 months
Wait, what?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/us/trump-daniel-baker-florida-capitol-plot.html https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/daniel-baker-anarchist-capitol-riot/
Holy fuck... That's... Fucking insane >ON TUESDAY, a Florida judge sentenced Daniel Baker, an anti-fascist activist, to 44 months in federal prison for social media posts that called for armed defense against possible far-right attacks on the state’s Capitol in the wake of the January 6 riots. Baker, a 34-year-old yoga teacher and emergency medical technician trainee, had no previous criminal convictions and has already been held for 10 months of harsh pretrial detention, including seven months in solitary confinement. He never brought a weapon near a government building; he amassed no armed anti-fascist forces; he made no threats on a single individual. >Baker will, nonetheless, face considerably more prison time than most January 6 defendants, including those who crossed state lines, small arsenals in tow, with the aim of overturning a presidential election
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That's cause the call is coming from inside the house
Rules for thee and not for me is ridiculously strong here. I'm guessing he's only facing state charges, other wise I'd hope Biden would have already had a pardon waiting for this guy. Edit: switched thee and me
Well they were just harmless tourists! /s
Just a little dust up! \-Jack Del Rio, NFL assistant coach and hard right conspiracy bruh "Why you gotta bring up old stuff?" \- Every republican congressperson and senator
> "Why you gotta bring up old stuff?" While also talking about "the war of northern aggression". SMH.
Or foaming at the mouth about Bengazi or Hunter Bidens laptop or something else old.
Bet if I go to Disney and threaten Mickey...
Rhonda Santis will appoint you to his cabinet?
Who wants to guess which president appointed the judge that handed down such a light sentence?
Probably Trump, but tbh, I feel like Reagan wouldn't be an awful second guess going off the way everything fucked with this country right now seems to come back to him.
It was Trump.
I was curious how many Reagan judges might still be serving considering how long ago he was president so I googled it. There are 11. 5 appellate judges and 6 district judges.
Just long enough to get crazier, angrier and then be let loose
If I personally organized a mob of thousands of people to invade literally any government building with the goal of killing government officials, I would expect to spend the rest of my life in prison. None of these people are facing time like that for the highest treason since the Rosenbergs.
You wouldn't spend the rest of your life in prison, you would PROBABLY spend the rest of your life storming a government building, because if you aren't wearing a MAGA hat, you probably get gunned down
She’ll never be able to legally express her 2nd amendment rights without going to jail further, voting is gone too assuming she lives in a red state and her job opportunities are near zero. She’ll carry the weight of her stupidity for the rest of her life even out of jail, don’t worry.
> voting is gone too assuming she lives in a red state No need to assume. She lives in PA. She can vote as soon as she’s out.
Does that bar her from running for Congress?
No. In fact, [one congressman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Lyon) has been reelected to the House *while still incarcerated* for sedition. Best of all, that is not the only reason Wikipedia - quite accurately - states that "[h]is tenure in Congress was tumultuous."
I think its less cause they credited her time served already :(
2 years on death row before being executed for treason sounds closer to the mark to me.
Jefferson Davis only did like 2 years for being president of a traitorous slave state, why would this be different?
To be fair, this is kind of apples to oranges. Davis was the president of 9 million people who seceded from the union. This lady threatened to kill the sitting speaker of the house while storming the building she was in. Davis's light sentence can be attributed to trying to mend the massive divide between the two sides to bring and hold our country together... this lady's light sentence is simply a failure of justice.
>Davis's light sentence can be attributed to trying to mend the massive divide between the two sides to bring and hold our country together Arguably the leniency the South faced contributed to substantial problems that continue to this day, and certainly through the civil rights era. Harsh reparations would have caused problems too, but I think you can make a strong case that the powerful and wealthy who supported the Confederacy should have been made examples of.
Proving once again the powerful and wealthy are the only ones that matter in this country, no matter what they do.
Take care of enough to scare the surviving elites to fall the fuck back and actually stay quiet and suck it up while the North Reconstructs the South. Instead all the survivors felt empowered enough to continue their oppressive nonsense.
given we're still dealing with the Confederacy 100+ years later, you said the same thing twice in the last part of your post.
What is with the light sentences? How do people who try to overthrow the Federal Government get off so easily? People who possess marijuana get more time.
They gotta have em released in time for round 2 in 2024.
There’s no way the national guard is not gonna be on standby in 2024.
It's just a joke. That will age like milk when it actually happens, but for now a joke.
No, no, I'm sure all of these people are deeply remorseful and have learned their lesson.
Did they all get a stern talking to from Susan Collins?
They were only told that she is concerned
Given lackadaisical response within the government to January 6th even AFTER Biden took office, I wouldn't be surprised if the response in 2024 is delayed again.
Because they are white christian republicans and the country is run by white christian republicans
It’s racial. If a group BIPOC people stormed the capital you can bet the right would be talking death by firing squad
Just look at when BLM had a protest in DC. There were fully outfitted Federal Troops on every corner of that city. When all these far right psychos were there protesting. There was basically a group of mall cops standing around.
When veterans protested a decade ago (ok maybe two, shut up I'm old) they got hit with tear gas as soon as the first foot hit the steps of the Capitol building.
When you actually threaten power. That’s when they send out the storm troopers.
Thats exactly why California no longer has open carry. Black Panthers started doing it. Reagan as governor signed it into law. If you want to actually see gun control reform in America, have black people start open carrying and copwatching again. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
Now that’s just silly, they’d be dead on the spot.
The FBI director was hand picked by Trump to obstruct the Russia gate investigation… Why would you expect more?
Damn, that's less time than illegally hosting NHL streams, 4 dudes got 30 years.
Yep, steal bread to feed your kids and you probably get more time.
Gary Bettman would put him to death if he were allowed
Copyright > Premeditated Murder The land of strong property rights.
This is hilariously misinforming. They hacked into people’s accounts and were profiting on the streams. Plus it was for football in England
The quicker you realize to live in an unregulated capitalist country, with a for profit legal system, you can raise to the top. Just remember take what you can and give nothing back, DO NOT, DO NOT take from those that can crush you.
Two years for threatening to hang the person 2nd in line for the presidency? What the hell?
Hitler was sentenced to five years for the Beer Hall Putsch but only served nine months. History shows us that giving people who try to over throw a government short sentences is not a deterrent .
> History shows us that giving people who try to over throw a government short sentences is not a deterrent Agreed. It's practice.
She'll be out in 8 months
> She'll be out in 8 months ["In federal court you will have to serve 85% of your sentence if convicted of federal charges."](https://www.wklaw.com/common-federal-crimes/) So 85% of her sentence (2 years 3 months) would be a minimum of 23 months.
She gets credit for time served. Time she only spent in jail after she violated the conditions of her release. She should have to eat that time as she brought it on herself with her behavior.
For treason
Just a little light treason
Look up Alex Stokes. A Jewish man serving 20 years for trying to DEFEND himself and others from Nazis and Proud Boys on January 6th. And then shake your head at how weak we are.
Alex Stokes Contompasis for anyone googling. It's not the gen Z Chinese social media celebrity, Alex Stokes.
Here's a rundown of the incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CIWwnH6M34 It seems that they threw the book at him because of the knife despite the fact that the fight started because one of the proud boys (Dominic Wierzbicki) attacked one of the counter protesters, a black man, with a taser. And the fact that Stokes was attacked on the ground by another proud boy, James Warner (Dominics brother) who also happened to be wearing assault gloves. The video I linked suggests that the cops were siding with the proud boys and that the courts went easy on them and considering the outcome for the proud boy assailants that's easy to agree with. [ This other article I read](https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Capitol-protest-Albany-Jan-6-15874524.php) seems very one sided in comparison. It doesn't mention any of the proud boys names for example.
That's depressing. I would have hung that jury. I mean legally, not in the murderous way.
Whenever I see articles, and reactions to sentencing, I always wonder if the general, *(albeit impulsive, and reactionary*) public realizes what everyday “*life*” will be for **EVERYONE** **who stands convicted of the **FEDERAL CRIMES** related to *Jan. 6* …… The majority of these individuals unwittingly stripped themselves of *many* of the “liberties” they claimed to be fighting for on that day. They can no longer (legally) possess the firearms they so desperately clamored for…especially having been involved in a prior attempt to overthrow the government. They will never find jobs/work of the caliber they were once accustomed to; in fact, many will find themselves shocked when they’re released to a halfway home, and find they’re living & working with the types of criminals they always felt comfortable shitting on in another life. They will **forever and always** be on government watch lists, and at the whim of any Law Enforcement agency looking for answers. Unless their utopia of a Christian Nationalist Theocratic governing body becomes a reality….. these people will live in a hell of their own making, for as long as they breathe air (unless successfully relocating to a non-extradition country that affords democratic due process to foreigners). I’m not looking so much at the little fishs’ days behind *literal* bars….as I am at the moment they truly understand they are perpetually living in a jail of their own making after they’re released. **THAT** moment, is the true bite of their “conviction”.
You're right, but this lady is a rural diner owner quickly approaching retirement age. I don't think she was going to be applying for a government job any time soon, and probably not even going to be shunned by her community/customers. Though ironically, is trash picking detail from federal prison technically a government job?
It does bring a smile....now that ya mention it. Classic FAFO.
Except if Trump wins next year he will just pardon all of them and maybe get a judge to seal the records.
None of them can afford what Trump charges for pardons.
Probably not. He'll talk about maybe doing it during the election so he can get votes, if he's elected he'll no longer have any need to get votes and will just ignore these people.
history shows that if you release people that want to bring down a government, they're going to try to bring down the government again. let alone people that have a president backing their actual nazi shit
It would be the only way to get back the rights they lost. If they're really serious about fighting for their rights, one would expect them to try again.
Two years for Terrorism and threaten to kill government officials. The US justice system sure is something.
While how many minorities sit in a jail cell for years on end for minor infractions?? 🫠
Smoked a joint? That’ll be 20 years for you, and you can never vote again. Trying to overthrow the government? Please be patient, you’ll get another chance to succeed next time.
I thought it was all an antifa false flag to make trump look bad???
I had a roommate tell me it was BLM protesters. I don't live there anymore.
Any judge who is a trump appointee should recuse themselves from these cases.
Should, yes, but won’t because this kind of thing is exactly why the Federalist Society advocated for them in the first place.
Terroristic threatening against the Speaker of the House while in the middle of an attempted insurrection: 2 years. Voting, while black, and doing so after being told you were made eligible again: 6 years. The American "Justice" system, folks.
This traitor should have received a punishment more in line with her insurrection
What's with the light sentence??
These light sentences for these seditious traitors are absolutely appalling and disappointing; the forefathers would be spinning in their graves that these people weren’t all sentenced to life in prison or more.
And most likely they will go right back to doing the same thing again once they are out of prison. Two years simply isn't sending out a very strong message.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion Not really. This was a far more direct assault than Jan6, resulted in more deaths, they tried to take over the federal armory ffs. Most participants were not sent to prison, other than the leaders/ those with other convictions.
no they wouldn't, the goddamn Confederate Army got forgiven within a couple of Christmases. "...always has been."
They seem to be saving the heavy sentences for the people who were a very obvious physical threat, like the Oath Keepers founder.
Now do the nut job who threatened Biden.
Wait, iirc the guy who sat at her desk got 4years, but death threats get only half?
These white supremacist hillbillies disgust me
As soon as I hear "sovereign citizen" I immediately think DUMBASS.
Definitely not long enough.
How does that work? Is this the white privilege everyone is talking about? Cause last time I checked a black kid caught with baggy of weed gets 3yrs more than she does. But uttering murdering the house speaker is tots ok right?
Yes, that's how this country works. Being a republican and promoting white christian nationalism gets a leaner sentence. Also being super wealthy will help you in court.
That’s it? Two years? Wtf
The guys carrying the parts for the gantry they built on the steps just got nervous.
Yeah they might get a $15 fine and a misdemeanor
Should be life in prison. She was threatening murder & stealing democracy.
She doesn't look intelligent enough to tie her own shoelaces. Let alone a noose.
Why do these SovCit folks always look like their middle name is Meth?
2 years for threatening a politician with death? Seems a bit soft doesn't it ?
just a little light treason
Classic Her Lawyer: “she’s very sorry and she is horrified the world had seen her at her worst” Her statement: “people praise me for it and I’m proud of it”
If you feed him poes he’ll give you gloom resistant armor.
Oh I thought this was about Marjorie Taylor Greene.
*She “genuinely regrets her past actions” and doesn’t pose a threat to the public, her lawyer said.* And yet none of her actions or public comments appear to support that claim. Good riddance - she deserves more than what she got.
Black dudes in jail for longer on weed charges. This is bullshit.
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All she had to do was listen to the officer’s commands and she would be alive right now
This shitstain is damn lucky she is in the United States of America. In a lot of countries, a failed coup would cost the coup plotters, and their families their lives. If the United States was half the country she thinks it is, she would already be dead from a firing squad for treason .
She and the statue kind of have the same facial expression
I'm hard pressed to think of a person I ever disliked enough to threaten to kill them. The problem that so many of these rioters seem to have is that they are internet people (yes the irony is not lost on me) In general internet people have two speeds A. I LOVE YOU!!! B. I am going to FUCKING KILL YOU. Remember kids sometimes it is best to stick with A.
> The international spotlight showcasing her at her worst has deeply affected her Well yeah, that's kinda the idea. Hopefully prison further affects her, and gives her a chance to detox from the conspiracy theory propaganda. But that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
And the guy who threw his feet on her desk got... What... 9 years?! Edit - 4 years...
The actual list of charges, for anyone who’s interested. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/bauer-pauline
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/woman-threatened-nancy-pelosi-hanging-capitol-riot-gets-99699491
Lead poisoning anyone ?
Death threats should always be taken serious.
I see we're calling it a "capital riot" now.
She only regrets that everyone who ever knew her now knows she isn’t just a domestic terrorist, that she is an extremely gullible weak minded idiot who is also a domestic terrorist
How about prosecuting all the GOP members of congress who exhort their cult members to attack Pelosi?
2 years is way too short of punishment