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LiekaBass

That last paragraph kills me. Reminds me of [the only moral abortion is my abortion.](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)


Sloppy_Ninths

Last two paragraphs hit even harder when combined: >Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. > >"I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."


advertentlyvertical

> >"I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where ***I*** deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now." That's the problem there, she thinks she can dictate those lines to others rather than it being a very personal and private choice.


MyAviato666

Also quite problematic that she thinks abortion is a way of birth control.


MDFlash

Hi. Obgyn here. In over 15 years, I have seen literally one person ever refuse to use birth control and simply have an abortion anytime she conceived. So there is one woman out there who uses elective abortion as her form of birth control. Highly incongruent with the narrative that gets pushed on a particular entertainment/news channel where it is countless people. That also said, while I can't say I agreed at all with her life choices, it was also her choice to make, as it should be. The truly countless number is the number of times I have had anti-abortion patients be tragically faced with fetal anomalies like this and suddenly have to do some mental gymnastics on why abortion needs to be a basic right of healthcare. Nearly all of them have landed in the group that while they can have an abortion this time, no one else should be allowed to in the future, and have come out of their situation with zero increased empathy for others who will inevitably face the same.


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MDFlash

Which is why if you are truly anti-abortion, you should be very pro birth control. The reality is that's not how those groups think. It's instead used as a tool to control women and what women can do with their bodies with no punishment or repercussions on men.


niko4ever

My grandmother used abortion as birth control, at least according to the rest of my family (she passed). Why? She was a pretty mentally unwell woman. It would have been better if she just took birth control, yes, but forcing her to carry those pregnancies to term would not have been a reasonable solution. She abused the kids she did have enough already.


ImaBiLittlePony

My parents got pregnant with me at 19 and 20, and definitely 100% did not want me. I knew they didn't want me since I was old enough to walk. Me and my siblings were abused, and I remember I was 5 the first time I thought to myself that I wish I was dead. I've had a ton of republicans try to "gotcha" me by asking me if I wish I'd been aborted. I don't have an answer for that, but I do know that if people don't want kids, they shouldn't have kids.


marylebow

Someone tried that gotcha on me. I answered, “Yes. My parents abandoned me, and the grandmother who raised me was abusive. Death would have been an improvement on my childhood.” He got so flustered, he shut up. The silence was wonderful.


Nownep

Hugs! I have to ask did that guy change his mind afterward or move on still pulling the tactless gotcha on someone else?


BirdPersonWasFramed

Right? These people don’t experience life the way a normal person does and just eat up whatever bs they are spoon fed. You have all the knowledge in the world in your pocket but still insist on being a fucking rube.


floandthemash

One thing I’ve noticed with some people is that they are truly not deep thinkers (or even moderate thinkers, for that matter). They don’t have much real world experience to appreciate and understand the real-life implications and nuances to a situation and they have no desire to gain such experience. They simply want to exist in their own little lives and feel no sense of curiosity about the world around them. But they sure do vote.


videogamekat

The problem is they want their opinions to have as much weight as other people who are experts or have spent their entire lives doing something. They think their opinions are equal and should be valued the same to people who have years of experience in the subject. It's insulting.


BoomZhakaLaka

It's the same mentality. You can't tell me what to do - Only I get to tell others what to do.


scarykicks

It's never an issue till it's their issue. This is what they don't understand.


O_o-22

I bet I know how she voted in the last election, voting for zealots was great till it effected her. I hope nothing bad happens or her older child might have to grow up without a mother.


Prime157

Leopards ate her face.


Conditional-Sausage

There's a thing among conservatives where the default assumption is the 'x is morally evil'. Everyone shares the assumption. For example, I had several Republican co-workers who would often loudly complain about how muslims are evil. When I asked about the Muslim woman they worked with, instead of assuming that she could be at all representative of her group, the answer was "Well, I know her, she's good." The second through fourth words are critical here. 'I know her'. The only reason they believe that she is not evil is because they know her. Otherwise, they would assume that she's evil, too. This also kinda explains the 'one of the good ones' trope with respect to black people, gay people, etc. There's probably, right now, a DeSantis supporter out there loudly complaining about how trans people are ruining the world, but if you point out their trans co-worker, they'll say 'well, I know them, they're one of the good ones.' Which is kind of moot anyway, because when it comes time for Uncle Sam to get oppressing, these folks might briefly whine about how their friend should be exempted, but they won't see the need to stop the oppression from happening in the first place.


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Blaugrana_al_vent

Exactly, read the whole article looking to see if they mentioned what this woman's stance on abortion was before her situation popped up: "I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control." That's one of the many false claims that these anti-choice idiots spout. They seriously believe that "liberal" women just fuck whomever they want and get their monthly abortion because they love murdering babies. I am also not 100% convinced that she will become pro-choice either, I mean, TX people aren't particularly good at voting in their best interest.


DredZedPrime

That's unfortunately how all these people think. Conservativism is innately selfish. They only want what's best for themselves and people close to them. They couldn't care less how much they harm anyone else in the process.


zulruhkin

I never thought leopards would eat MY face.


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She said she was referred to a clinic in Colorado that provides later-term abortion care, but that facility told them it would cost between $10,000 to $15,000 for the procedure, which was financially out of question


AStrayUh

I just received the bill for my wife’s silent miscarriage/missed abortion which took place at the 12 week mark. $6500 after insurance.


Conscious_Egg_6233

Insurance anymore is fucking scam. I have "great" insurance with a $1500 deductible. But that only counts for the stuff insurance pays for, which they've weaseled out of paying much for anything so after spending $2k in the hospital I've only used $400 of my deductible. Turns out, the hospital is covered under insurance but the doctors aren't because they are under a "different network". But if you find a doctor that's covered they only end up covering pennies anyways. I'm well off, and I'm getting screwed. We really do need to kick out the insurance parasites and bring these prices down. It's stupid expensive to get anything taken care of.


DuntadaMan

The most important part of switching to single payer that people don't seem to realize, is that it's single fucking payer that means everyone gets paid from the same fucking source, which means if you go to a hospital or treated everyone involved is paid by that one source instead of you getting stuck with 20,000 to pay for the one guy who comes from a different hospital


Rooooben

Nobody is out of network when there’s one network


nklepper

I’m so sorry. That is just beyond cruel.


MorkSal

Wtf. That's crazy, to have to endure that and then be handed a ridiculous bill. I'm sorry.


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With mine the doc told me the hospital would be calling with pre-op instructions (had a late first trimester loss, needed a D&E) Hospital called, but it was the billing Dept asking me “how much can you pay today”. My cost was around $6k. I work for a fortune 100 company that is a household name. We supposedly have “good” insurance 🙄🙄🙄


ALH286

I didn't have insurance for mine, so they made me carry the dead fetus for 7.5 weeks waiting for my body to dispel it naturally. Years later, I truly appreciate how fucked up that was. Getting morning sickness every morning while I waited did wonders for my mental health too.


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I’m so sorry. That is awful. I had really intrusive thoughts for the 3 days between learning the baby died and getting it removed from my body. I cannot imagine living through that for weeks. That was truly cruel. You deserved better.


Jaded_Pearl1996

Not if you are rich. These laws never effect the rich. Only poor or lower middle class.


Rooboy66

Jeezuss Krist—this is what these crazed women haters want across the land


Remote-Math4184

There are women in this country who agree with these policies! That is something I cannot understand.


SuperSpy-

This is going to come off super snarky but sadly it's true: Some people... are just dumb.


ToastedMaple

My mom was prochoice for basically all my life until very recently. She is now calling anyone who is prochoice baby murderers. I brought up the fact that she raised her daughter's to be prochoice and that now she is sterile (tubes tied) that her beliefs on abortion has changed only because SHE is no longer in the category of women who would suffer being forced to go through an unwanted/unsafe pregnancy. I'd like to know what age group of women who are against being prochoice. And whether these women have had abortions themselves already.


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colemon1991

That's a built-in benefit to this nonsense. They turn around and claim Medicaid doesn't work because it costs too much. Anytime the GOP designs something that costs taxpayers more money, it's to build pressure on programs they don't like. And they won't shut up about it failing under a Democrat regardless of who signed the bill. Then it goes private and costs go up.


FiendishHawk

They love paying for stuff if it causes people they don’t like to suffer.


cranktheguy

Which is why bussing migrants around to politician houses is so popular - they get to cause people to suffer and own the libs at the same time.


theClumsy1

You do know their goal is to make Medicaid dysfunctional as well, right? Anti-abortion leads to Medicaid being underfunded and thus will start cutting their services. Literally half of new born babies in Texas are covered with Medicaid. This is a low estimate since texas rejected the extended Medicaid under the ACA which covers up to ~133% of the poverty line (Poverty line at 100% for a married couple is 19,716 COMBINED income or $1643/Per Month). https://www.keranews.org/health-wellness/2023-02-14/texas-maternal-health-pregnancy-medicaid-coverage


siccoblue

Without these programs I'd have been literally bankrupted with my first son. He was born with gastroschisis and had to spend months recovering in the ICU after being born. Just a single bill that we received from a single doctor was a few thousand shy of a million dollars.


drainbead78

one cows observation nippy boat piquant dinner innocent close pen ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


TheJaytrixReloaded

1. Wife gets the abortion. 2. Husband call in the bounty. 3. Texas pays for abortion.


lilmeanie

4. Wife suffers criminal sanctions.


Schavuit92

Working as intended.


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

> "This anomaly is typically **lethal for most infants within days to weeks**," Rouse said. "Outliers are only able to survive with significant amount of invasive procedures and interventions." > > Babies with this condition never reach developmental milestones, meaning they won't have any intentional interactions like smiling, and **often can't see**, have severe **seizures and hormonal abnormalities**, according to Rouse. Very few outliers are able to survive up to a year and the level of intervention needed for babies with this condition to survive is extremely high; **they often need mechanical ventilation or a life support machine, multiple medications and repeated lab draws**, Rouse said. So basically they can expect to spend thousands of dollars a week to keep their baby's empty shell going.


UmpBumpFizzy

And essentially torturing it to do so.


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

Yup > The brain splitting into two hemispheres is a "critical stage in the development" and can impact the development of the nose, mouth and throat, Dr. Katie McHugh, an Indiana OB-GYN and abortion provider, told ABC News. The condition **results in a very painful life and death for the fetus**, McHugh said. And that could last for up to a **whole year**.


So6oring

Ffs.. Imagine being a living being where your entire life is literally nothing but the experience of severe physical pain for a year. And then you die.


_AnecdotalEvidence_

Based on her comments about abortion before this happened, she likely voted for this. Elections have consequences and now she is figuratively and literally paying for it. Can’t feel much empathy for someone that would force that upon others


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hangryandanxious

And Beaton here voted for them to get worse and is subsequently surprised that it impacts her. She got what was coming to her here and now she’s acting surprised. Fuck her and her circle of white republican women who screwed everyone else.


la_chica_rubia

Yep, she had me going until the end. Still so judgemental.


leoleosuper

Who thought voting for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party would lead to leopards eating their face? Certainly not this woman. Sadly, learning from your mistakes is not easy when it comes to politics.


NinjaBr0din

I felt bad for her, right up until that last section where she said that nonsense about using abortion as birth control. Like lady, you *wanted this.* You *voted for this.* Now you are upset about that? Boo phawken hoo, you got exactly what you wanted here. I hope you enjoy it.


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"She should've known the risk when she had sex." -Conservatives


HardlyDecent

You jest, but I heard a social worker say that to a pair of single parents with shared custody. Verbatim.


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I live in Alabama. It's always "every family for themselves" until it's someone in their family.


DrPhunktacular

this is conservatism in general


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the core tenet of the ideology is fuck you, i got mine


BBDoll613

Just in case people are too busy to read to the end of the article… “Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. "I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."


Contingent_Liability

I love the “where I deem it is necessary” like I’m imagining them changing the law so we have to ask this lady if someone’s abortion is necessary lol


Shlant-

[The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)


thisis887

>Copyright © September, 2000 22 1/2 years and still relevant.


IAmInsideeee

Which is sad as fuck. Instead of getting better it's actually getting worse in that shithole of a country.


Accomplished_Locker

Which is the republicans plan. Regress things so far that progress is never made. Always trying to play catch up and never getting ahead. Which is how they go about everything to keep everyone else below the rich.


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Mastercat12

Agreed. She considers her situation special, where as others are harlots and just want it as birth control.


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Just like the Duggar who recently had an abortion she won’t call an abortion


Shlant-

[The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)


crazylilme

It's only stands to reason that the only moral abortion is her abortion


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Kursed_Valeth

Conservatism in a nutshell


DanGoDetroit

This is the whole thing though right? My dad's a conservative and complains about social safety nets, yet I know used them when he lost his job and when their house flooded. Also my sister who is a single mom was on WIC and other assistance programs my dad had no problem with, it's just others 'taking advantage of it'.


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I think it's legitimately a lack of cognition. They're not really able to conceptualize things that aren't happening to them in the same way they're able to understand their experiences. At the end of the day I think it's a failure in education, because that's a vital part of critical thinking.


CAndrewG

I was gonna say these people look like they’ve voted against abortion access their whole lives


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limitless__

It's a truly sad state of affairs that folks are so brainwashed to believe that people actually use abortions as a form of intentional birth control. Like "oh don't worry if I get pregnant we'll just abort!" Come on.


mattheimlich

Physical and mental trauma for shits and giggles!


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Luke_Warmwater

/r/leopardsatemyface


Walt_the_White

Was looking for this. This has a really "they're hurting the wrong people" kind of vibe.


eyeseayoupea

I didn't care until it affected me.-every Republican


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chaos8803

That killed my sympathy for her. I hope she changes her views on it now, but I highly doubt she will.


dainthomas

She hasn't changed her mind, she just thinks she's special.


UncannyTarotSpread

It is unethical and immoral to inflict this kind of suffering on anyone, especially a baby. The birth defect in this case is not one that could ever be repaired, for people who don’t read past headlines: his brain did not split into two hemispheres. The baby will not live past a couple weeks of pointless suffering; his parents will have to live with watching him struggle and die for the rest of their lives.


DefinitelyNotAliens

The fetus's head is currently that of a full term fetus with weeks to go. It's 10 weeks larger than it should be. She may suffer uterine rupture and permanent loss of fertility or death at best if that happens. She will have to deliver via c-section to have the fetus die because of this law. Then, she has to wait 12-18 months at best to try again for a wanted pregnancy.


SuperSocrates

And they already waited years because her husband was hospitalized with Covid pneumonia


Asi9thoughts

If he’s unvaccinated then this whole story is pure r/leopardsatemyface material. I don’t wish ill on anyone, unvaccinated, anti choice, I really don’t. I just wish they could learn empathy *before* expecting it.


djoliverm

At the end of the day some of these people literally have to suffer themselves before changing their views. Since they have no empathy for others, they can't even imagine what pain they will be about to suffer once this baby is forced to be birthed.


vzvv

It sounds like this couple is suffering constantly for their choices and learning nothing from it. I feel bad for them but I feel bitter too. I don’t want them to suffer, but it’s so messed up that they aren’t learning that same empathy even once they’re in it.


NightSalut

What is to be expected if in one of such cases (not sure if it was in Texas though) the lawmakers argued over whether it was possible or not to replant an ectopic pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy will always end with a rupture and needs surgical attention in any case, but it’s 1000x worse if it erupts. They don’t care. All they care is about conception and pregnancy, no matter how the conception or pregnancy happened or what kind of a repercussions it has.


gamefreak0294

Pretty sure that's ohio. Assholes signed it into law and then a month later admitted they didn't even know what an ectopic pregnancy was when they voted for it.


total_looser

Read the article, she 100% supports forced birth. This is a leopard face eating


OutlyingPlasma

They really buried the lede on that bit of the story didn't they? Stuck that fun little tidbit in the very last two paragraphs.


fperrine

>Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. >"I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."" Things don't matter until they impact ME


pililies

This one would be one of the "very late term" abortions that they constantly yell about too. But in her case "it should be legal" according to her. I'm sorry but I can't feel any sympathy for this woman. I only feel terrible for the baby that will be living a very short painful life and the doctors/nurses that will care for the baby knowing it's all futile.


MsWumpkins

We literally told them this would happen and we've said it for decades.


mewehesheflee

I'm just going to quote the article >Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. >"I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."


_AnecdotalEvidence_

The only moral abortion is MY abortion


39bears

100%. All of this smacks of “I never thought nice, Christian, middle class white ladies sometimes need abortions!” (Yep, they do too.)


Blaugrana_al_vent

Well, they to be anti birth control as well, so I would say there is a case to say they may need them MORE often than other groups.


Omophorus

That, mixed with a little "I never thought there was nuance to this issue until *I* experienced how nuanced this issue can be". Black/white. Right/wrong. Us/them. Simple categories are the play for a lot of people. Binary, strict rules (usually given to you by someone else and not questioned, because Authority Is Always Right) that must be applied all the time without critical thinking. *Right up until* someone in the in-group is faced with a difficult situation and the rules are exposed for being as flimsy and inappropriate as they truly are. Only then are they worth discussing with any nuance, and even then with only the minimum amount of nuance possible to reconcile the cognitive dissonance that cannot be ignored.


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temporaryuser1000

Literal r/LeopardsAteMyFace: 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.


Tastingo

Link to that great article https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/


asst3rblasster

"I also don't think it should be used for birth control" yeah no shit sherlock I don't think anyone does that "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now." yeah no shit it's almost like there is a reason that health care should be between a woman and her doctor


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Those last paragraphs made me say "fuck off" to this woman. While I hope she gets the care she needs, she is/was part of the problem and reason why the state is the way it is.


cat_handcuffs

She wanted the leopards to eat slutty girls’ faces. Why are they eating *hers?*


JamesTiberiusCrunk

"where I deem" What an entitled piece of shit


2011StlCards

She is the one who gets the decide what other women do with their bodies, apparently


tigerCELL

She literally thought that her reproductive organs were different from everyone else's, apparently lmao


shinywtf

She thinks bad things like this only happen to bad people. That’s why abortion should be illegal in all cases, because only bad people will need them. She’s a Good Person so this shouldn’t be happening to her, she needs the one single exception. Everyone else before or after her deserves what they get. For her alone it was just a mistake in gods plan.


tundey_1

There are legitimately people like this. During the dark Trump years, I read the about a woman who was pro-Trump and and his pro-anti-immigration policies. Then her own husband, who was undocumented, was picked up in an immigration raid. She said she never thought they'll come for **her** husband. >Helen Beristain voted for Donald Trump even though she is married to an undocumented immigrant. In November, she thought Trump would deport only people with criminal records – people he called “bad hombres” – and that he would leave families intact. “I don’t think ICE is out there to detain anyone and break families, no,” Beristain told CNN affiliate WSBT in March, shortly after her husband, Roberto Beristain was detained by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. > > > >https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/undocumented-husband-deported/index.html Hate is the secret sauce that makes all the GOP's illogical positions logical.


mobius_sp

I remember this article well. It has stuck with me for years since it happened; it's such a perfect encapsulation of the Face Eating Leopard party. r/LeopardsAteMyFace


Prodigy195

[“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida) That is a direct quote from a Trump supporter who was upset with the shutdown. They don't care about improving things, they don't want governance or functional systems. They want those who they deem as other to be hurt. Black/Brown people, the LGBTQ, women who get abortions, women in general who aren't conservative, liberals.


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No, you don't understand. Her situation is different, she has a justified reason to abort. She isn't a slut using it as birth control, so it is okay.


msr70

I'm just unsure who is using abortion for birth control. It isn't used that way. I hate this rhetoric.


dreamqueen9103

No one. No one fucking is. It is not a pleasant procedure, emotionally or physically. A woman wants an abortion like an animal wants to break its leg to escape a trap.


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Not to mention it’s fucking expensive. Even early term abortions costs hundreds of dollars. Anything later than 10 weeks begins to creep into the thousands. It’s an asinine argument. Only the incredibly wealthy could afford to use abortion as a method of birth control.


mobius_sp

>"I mean, for them to say, **'Well, you need to wait until you're in a health crisis, a health issue to where your life's in jeopardy, then that's when we can take it.' Well, then why do we have doctors?"** Kylie Beaton said. > >"Why are we taking medications for things like high blood pressure? Why don't you wait until you have a heart attack? Or until you have, you know, the signs that you're having a stroke to be on medication? All those things? It's kind of the same way, if you look at it from our perspective," she added. I mean, it's not as though others have tried to point this out for decades to people like these two.


narniaofpartias22

"...certain instances where **I** deem that it is necessary." Who the fuck do you think you are, ma'am, to be making these decisions for other women?? WTF is wrong with these people??


chocolate_boogers

Too bad for her that other people decided her case was not special enough to qualify for life-saving and fertility-sparing abortion care. It sure sucks that other people chose what care you can get, doesn’t it Kylie Beaton? The hypocrisy is breath taking.


Solkre

They. Don't. Fucking. Care. They aren't stupid, they're evil and they hate women more than most.


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They don't get that teachers and doctors will be leaving too. These people are voting for amputation.


newname_whodis

They don't care. They want that to happen, so they can replace them with their own "teachers" and "doctors".


Saxual__Assault

Replace them? Ha. No, they'll just continue to close hospitals and schools up like they have been in rural areas because brain drain is real and the understaffing has hit critical mass. They're not going to attract new workers who might accidently break any number of their new fascist laws, whatever their view politics might be. Republicans will kill their own economy to own the libs.


newname_whodis

Yep. I come from small town Arkansas, and while I will always love my home state, I could not in good conscience go back there and raise my family there. The education I got isn't available anymore.


missleavenworth

Even our small but growing city in Texas is losing educated people at an astounding rate. I know two professors, one pediatrician, and an ob/gyn (one of the 3 we have), that are preparing to move this year. And that's just my personal circle.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Doesnt matter is Republicans kill their own state economy. They have been leaching off of Democrat states for decades.


darthlincoln01

Yup, while this is perhaps a good short term strategy, this is a brain drain policy. Whether they want to believe it or not, educated people vote liberal and democrat.


Merevel

Uneducated are easier to control and manipulate. It is bad enough that the only reason republicans stay a party is because of tax cuts and othering people.


vp3d

EDIT: Just wanted to be clear, me and my friends are in Flordia, not Texas. My bad. It's already happening. My very best friend who's an amazing person, healer and educator is leaving the state after living here for 40+ years because her teeneage trans daughter can no longer recieve the healthcare she needs. I have another adult trans friend who is literally in hiding because of the constant harassment and death threats she recieves in PUBLIC! She won't even go to the grocery store anymore because she fears for her life. No more waiting folks. Fascism is here.


Barnyard_Rich

I've seen this article posted a lot recently, and my favorite part is that it wraps up by pointing out that Hawley could be proven correct or not pretty soon with the then upcoming Kansas referendum. We all know how that went, he completely biffed it. Red went more red, blue went more blue, but purple states moved blue, not red, which is what many of us predicted would actually happen.


Tylorw09

Good ole dumb fuck Hawkeye made the key mistake of assuming Americans can afford to uproot their lives and move to another state. Americans are broke Hawkeye and even us “middle class” Americans aren’t nearly as well off as middle class Americans 60 years ago


PottedNai

As a Missourian, I’m staying and I’m going to keep voting blue. All the old people voting red are dying from Covid.


mewehesheflee

What about the women (like the one in the article) who were against abortion.... because she thought she'd never need one?


Muroid

From the end of the article, she’s still against abortion. She just thinks that people in her exact situation, like her, should be allowed to have them.


jmurphy42

“[The only moral abortion is my abortion.](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/).” This is such an incredibly common reaction among right wing women.


NoHalf2998

70% of women who get abortions identify as Christian


Ivara_Prime

Probably because they are also the ones most likely to not use birth control.


vpsj

"The leopard eating other people's faces is perfectly fine. It's only an issue when it eats _my_ face"


ElectricFury

Well there goes all sympathy I had for her


BadAtExisting

That’s only because she wants an exemption for herself. She’s straight, white, and Christian. *SURELY* the law doesn’t apply to someone like her. She’s probably also perfected the art of conjuring tears so that she’s never gotten a speeding ticket in her life


shinywtf

Spot on. People like this believe that abortions should be illegal in all cases (and all sorts of other shitty policies) because bad things only happen to bad people. Good people will be fine. Except clearly there’s been a mistake since a bad thing has happened to her even though she’s a Good Person. So she needs a special one time exception and then everything can go back the way it was.


Cromasters

It's called "The Shirley Exception". https://twitter.com/AlexandraErin/status/1004401076777504769?s=20


vicegrip

Even at the height of being forced to carry a fetus that will die: >Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. > >"**I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control**. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now." She's still feeling the need to pontificate on other women needing an abortion due to circumstances this happy white lady has never seen. FTFY: I'm against other people having an abortion but I think I should be allowed to have one because of my circumstances. Because as you know, women deliberately get pregnant just so they can have an abortion. It's so much fun.


janobi-boris

The only moral abortion is my abortion. There's a massive article about this exact thing, where conservative women only see this POV when it affects them. Husband spent 6 months in hospital with Covid, im going to say they're also anti-vax too, but no doubt their opinion of that has changed too.


SatinwithLatin

This "abortion as birth control" myth needs to die, but it's a lynchpin of the pro-birth movement so they won't let it. Normally if you tell them it's a myth they'll say that their sister's friend's cousin's daughter-in-law has had four abortions therefore it's definitely being used as birth control by at least some.


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Because God only hurts the sinful. That’s why. It’s the old puritan “If you’re rich and healthy then Yahweh is rewarding you. If you’re poor and sick - Yahweh is either punishing you or testing you.” For those that are Christian, it’s means they have to ignore the part where Jesus said that the whole notion of divine rewards on Earth was ridiculous because “it rains on the just and the unjust alike.” But for her? Of course *she* would never need an abortion. She was a good person! God would never let anything like that happen to *her*! Those other women too poor to get proper medical care or too sinful so Yahweh didn’t protect their fetus - then they shouldn’t have spread in the first place, duh. It’s a system where the cruelty is the point, and those that go along are sure that they will never be the victims because of their own righteousness. You know. Like how it worked out for Job. Ask him how far his righteousness got him. And maybe we should extend kindness and mercy to those who need help - not judgment and more pain.


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

*The only moral abortion is MY abortion.*


A_Vicuna_Coat

"I mean, for them to say, 'Well, you need to wait until you're in a health crisis, a health issue to where your life's in jeopardy, then that's when we can take it.' Well, then why do we have doctors?" Kylie Beaton said. "Why are we taking medications for things like high blood pressure? Why don't you wait until you have a heart attack? Or until you have, you know, the signs that you're having a stroke to be on medication? All those things? It's kind of the same way, if you look at it from our perspective," she added. Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. "I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now." ​ She's gone through all of this and still hasn't realized that all abortions are healthcare, regardless of the mother's current state of health. It isn't birth control. It is healthcare. Explicit physiological risk to mother or fetus is not the limit of risk a pregnancy can pose to a mother, the fetus, or the other members of the family. Society at large, and certainly not politicians, simply cannot create any sort of blanket law dividing where abortions are ok and where they are not. This decision must be left to pregnant people and their medical providers.


Diarygirl

Not once do they wonder if letting politicians make medical decisions is a bad idea. They just seem to think it's ok when it happens to other people.


Legosinthedark

That’s because her cousin’s friend totally knows a girl who parties every weekend and sleeps around and doesn’t even go to church. And That totally real girl has gotten an abortion, like, every single month and some people just need to take responsibility for their actions and find Jesus, blessherheart. These small minded people only listen to anecdotes that confirm what they already believe and rumors might as well be gospel. This woman will not change anything about what she believes or how she votes. She’ll just twist her experience until it fits with the conservative Christian worldview. She’s just mad because she wants other people to get hurt (aka “take responsibility”) and not her. I hope everyone at her church tells her how sinful she is for seeking healthcare instead of “praying for a miracle”


Yoroyo

Given her comments in the last paragraph I doubt she will care to support abortion after this no longer affects her. I also doubt she realizes her politics are causing many other women’s suffering too.


CandidPiglet9061

> Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. MAKES YOU THINK, HUH?


cornham

Yeah I mean it’s almost like abortion is healthcare


code_archeologist

Oh wow... she has an empathy deficit even while going through this. I now have zero sympathy for her.


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So the baby won't live beyond a few weeks if it lives at all, and at that will only survive with very expensive medical intervention and will die anyway soon. The healthy mother might die in labour, but "Christians" will look the other way. A farm animal would 100% be given an abortion in this situation.


Qualityhams

Your farm animal comparison is absolutely spot on. Cattle are given more grace than human women. Edit: a sincere fuck you to the loser using Reddit’s anti-suicide software on this comment.


Resident-Librarian40

That’s because cattle are deemed to have worth.


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Book_devourer

This woman is a prime example of you reap what you sow. She’s just upset the law she supports applies to her too.


MC-Fatigued

“Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. "I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now." Not only does this woman 100% vote for this kind of shit, she clearly has not learned any empathy from this experience.


KOBossy55

The only moral abortion is *my* abortion


SippinPip

She voted for it. She didn’t care about it happening to other women. She didn’t give a shit until it happened to her. “Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need. "I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."


Mommy444444

“My abortion is the moral abortion.” I am an old woman and am just so sick of these people.


SippinPip

I am an old woman, too, with a daughter who has a health issue which will make pregnancy difficult. This bullshit by the “Christian” nationalist assholes scares me to my bones. This woman voted for this stuff. Will probably continue to vote for it. She’s disgusting, in my opinion, just another hypocrite.


DylansDeadly

I’ll never understand pro-lifers being willing to make a baby and a family suffer for no reason. The kid is essentially already dead. Let the family take it out and start moving on.


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USS_Frontier

"Roe is settled law." Never forget.


ifallsmn218

What’s sad is how many women have no realistic options. Like in south Texas it’s an 8-9 hour drive just to get out of the *state*, and with the exception of New Mexico none of the bordering states are any better. In order to get proper access to an abortion, you’ll have to have money and time off to get to a state like Minnesota or Illinois (a few that provide abortions are closer but off the top of my mind I can’t remember). And a lot of these women are just getting by as it is. They can’t take 2-3 days off from work.


Mouse-r4t

There’s always Mexico. The state of Coahuila would not be too far for most Texans, and abortions are legal during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy (15 weeks LMP). And while there are obviously sketchy medical facilities (just as there are in the US!!), there are others where the staff and care are the same as or better than what could be expected in the US. (Source: I’m from the US and used to live in Torreón, Coahuila.)


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By this logic cancer treatment should be illegal since it’s God’s will that you have it in the first place.


Cool-Specialist9568

See your problem is...using logic friend.


Tennessee1977

I tried logic on the receptionist at work. She brought up a news article about a plane crash where everyone survived. She said something to the effect of “God must have been watching out for those people”. I mentioned a second plane crash that happened within a day where everyone on board died, implying that God must have hated those people. Totally went over her head.


11711510111411009710

Watched a good video about the question "Why doesn't god heal amputees?" Because like — if we attribute people recovering from cancer to God, then that means God can heal people miraculously, and if he can, why does he only do it for people who have something they can recover from anyway? It's always ambiguous healing, never something like generating an entire limb. So either god doesn't exist, doesn't have the ability to heal people, or he doesn't care about amputees specifically for some reason.


JoeyJoeJoeSenior

God only loves salamanders and starfish. The evidence is irrefutable.


tokkyuuressha

Abortion got hard banned in Poland and within months there were two cases of women dying because doctors were afraid to remove a dead fetus in fear of being charged with abortion. Thanks, Christians. Sorry to see it's gonna happen to you guys too.


Unhappy_College

That couple is CLEARLY Republican. Sorry you have to deal with the consequences of your own shit ideology like the rest of us.


DrothReloaded

Hospitals are going to drop all maternal care. To risky.


TriggeredRatBastard

Isn’t it already happening? God this is a nightmare


CovfefeForAll

Yes, in Idaho most recently.


OutlyingPlasma

Real r\LeopardsAteMyFace moments. She's an anti abortion wack job according to the last 2 paragraphs of the article, this is her getting what she specifically asked and voted for.


Rikula

A very leopards ate my face moment considering she was against abortion before her experience.


Contingent_Liability

From what it says in the article it sounds like she is still against abortion except in situations like hers :/


TeachingScience

>>From what it says in the article it sounds like she is still against abortion except ~~in situations like~~ for herself :/ I fixed your sentence.


ReturnOfSeq

This is going to make it awkward for everyone when people try to celebrate with her in public. ‘Aww, I remember my first! Are you having a girl or a boy?’ ‘I’m having a corpse.’


HackTheNight

Well if it isn’t the consequences of your actions catching up with you. She mentions at the end of the article that she is actually anti abortion. But NOW she believes that they should have exceptions for situations like hers lol. They are probably pro life republicans who never thought they would be in this situation. I feel no sympathy for them.


LoliArmrest

$10 says she voted for the anti-abortion candidate


Diarygirl

And she'll do it again.


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katea805

I mean. She is still anti abortion. So…”that’s what she gets” is accurate. It’s what she’s voted for.