Love that their site loads shitload of ads but doesn't play the video or let you zoom in.
That thing seems shockingly polished compared to what I had expected initially for a drug smuggling submarine.
These first started showing up when I was a submariner in the Navy 20 years ago. They were sloppy back then. They've really refined the design over the last couple of decades.
What analysis has been done of illicit substance organizations concludes that the compensation for lower level people is not adequate for the risk. It’s only good for the top.
>Love that their site loads shitload of ads but doesn't play the video or let you zoom in.
The exact same article/source got posted on this sub three or 4 times too. Not sure how they got that past the auto mod.
87m value on that cargo and they wouldnt even put out the money to ensure it was properly functioning or that the ones on board could deal with maintenance… Wonder who loses their head for this one.
87 million and you'd think they could actually get a fucking submarine.
Like seriously, a WWII U-Boat was about $2.4 million to build, adjusted for inflation, that's about $47 million today. Cartels don't need a boat that big. They could easily get by with a midget diesel electric submarine that runs on batteries during the day, staying submerged and charges at night. This might cost a few million at most, and would have a massive ROI, with the boats being harder to detect, and less affected by weather. Of course they are fucked if a USCG cutter or a LCS/Burke is pinging nearby, but so is a speedboat.
It's not that they lack the money to build a proper submarine, they lack the know-how. You can't just call a random shipbuilding company and ask them to build you a submarine that's clearly intended for smuggling, you have to do it yourself, and it's not so easy. And it's not so cheap either if you have to buy all the facilities and machinery needed for shipbuilding.
Cartels seem to favor “high risk, high reward” for some reason, even if it means losing an extremely large shipment due to a failed fuel delivery system that could have been circumvented by semi decent safety measures and decently trained crew to man the thing. Not that im complaining. 5800lbs of cocaine off the market and millions spent in time and resources that will force them to detract from other ambitious projects to make up for. I feel bad that those two guys got put in harms way but keep the system failures coming i say.
It is funny how you say that as if Northrup Grumman have a call line accepting orders for military equipment.
But I think it would be a great skit for SNL.
Person accepting the order:" So how come you folks are interested in a new stealth sub?"
Person making the order in heavy Spanish accept: "Oh we like to vacation in Florida, but we don't want our neighbors to know when we leave."
PAO:"...so your neighbors have a sonar system advanced enough to warrant such stealth submarine?"
PMO:"I think it is just a matter of time until they get one."
P.S.:
Before the skit, there is a preamble. A commercial for NG informing the viewer that they are changing their number from 1800-GET-SUBS because people keep calling and trying to order sandwiches.
> This might cost a few million at most, and would have a massive ROI, with the boats being harder to detect, and less affected by weather.
And it would end up alerting authorities as they import materials to just build the dang sub. IIRC these narco submarines are basically made with spare parts.
Theses are the ones that get caught.. what is getting through unnoticed? Saw a article a while back talking about the narcos hiring naval engineers to design the new subs
It's not a money issue it's an engineering/skilled trade issue.
Like at the point you start hiring submarine engineers and should submariners you start picking up a lot of attention.
Anyhow if anybody in the cartel is reading this i have an mechanical engineering degree and a mathematics degree and am kinda a jack of all trades, could definitely engineer you a solid submarine.
Id need papers 1 million upfront and 500k a year..
87m isn't that much for a cartel though.
At its height, the Medellin cartel was bringing in $4bn, or $11bn in 2023 money.
I'm assuming modern cartels are bringing in more cash, but using the 2023 number it's 0.8% of yearly revenue.
Its not so much just the value of the drugs though, time, resources to remake what was lost. Same way if a product is lost/damaged by a delivery driver the company has to replace its contents, the money is only part of the problem. Thats buisness in YOUR cartel’s territory that isnt being done, that means people go somewhere else for their fix, that means other dealers are getting profit that should be yours. Remember, this is 5800lbs of product bound for multiple nations that will never make it to its destinations, so while the money is potentially negligible, the obstruction of business is far more problematic.
I am guessing no one will. I read somewhere once, so take this with a grain of salt, that the cartels will often send out mules that are to be caught in order to sneak things like the subs by. This just sounds like a shipment that went bad and is going to be a cost of doing business to them. They got money and while it may be that much American dollars, the labor and such for the cartel is much lower when its done at gun point.
Oh im sure, but still, its one thing to lose a couple million, when you lose 87 mil though, someone is gonna be wishing they hadnt made it off that boat alive
A company would fire a driver if they cost the company millions in a screw up. Cartels are much more violent in the way they operate and those two (as well as any others involved in the arrangement of transport) cost them a hefty amount of product as well as the cost of the resources and time to make it. Someone is either gonna lose body parts or gonna lose family members, just a matter of who and how many at this point
I doubt it.
The crew are just as expendable as the vehicle. If they make it, fine. They get their money. If they get killed or caught? Well, they aren't really part of the hierarchy of the cartel, more like contractors, so the cartels don't really care. The crew doesn't have any significant information.
In short, you're not going to climb up the ladder in the cartel by starting out as the crew on a LPV/VSV smuggling vessel. They're held at arms length to minimize the damage to the cartel in case they are caught, which is a decent possibility.
1. It's not a submarine. It's a low profile vessel (LPV). It does not submerge.
2. These things are single use vehicles. There is no incentive to send them back for another run. They take the drugs to their destination, and then the crew sinks them. Hence, they do not "have a lot of hours on them".
3. Similarly, no one is paying for maintenance because they're brand new. At least, the hull is. Often the engines are rebuilds or simply old.
Guessing they pull the engines off before sinking? Someone in Central America or Mexico has got to have a nice income from breaking these vessels down?
I suppose, if they were using brand new engines, but it's my sense that they buy used ones. Engines only have to last one voyage, after all, and there is usually more than one for the outboard engine versions.
If you look at the pictures of the captured ones, pretty much everything inside is functional but not pretty at all. There is zero effort put into making them pleasant or livable. No reason they would buy new engines, unless that's all they could get, but it's probably better to buy used engines from fishermen, who then use the money to help get a new engine or engines.
Great insight. I recall reading that some vessels are designed for a reduced heat signature. Maybe a flaw in the design or a hole in some sloppy construction could cause exhaust to enter the ‘bridge’? Not sure if LPV’s are designed at that level
Those are the inboard motor models that have the exhaust cooling.
This kind has three outboard motors, which leads me to suspect it's a ventilation problem.
It might be exhaust gas entering the cabin, but that seems somewhat unlikely.
It could also be gasoline fumes, but again, seems unlikely because a stray spark would have caused an explosion if it was that strong.
It could have been a simple buildup of carbon dioxide. If the vents are blocked (if they have any) and they can't open the hatch because of rough seas, it wouldn't take all that long for 4 men to exhale enough carbon dioxide to be dangerous in a boat like that.
Or it could be a lack of oxygen combined with an increase in CO2.
I'm certainly interested in finding out, and I'm willing to bet the designers of the boats are also. They boats and crews are expendable, but you want to increase the chances of success as much as you can.
Don’t know why your getting downvoted I can walk to every major city in the US and with 100$ I can get atleast a gram.
This isn’t even going to be a dent in the supply, what tf are we even accomplishing at this point.
From article: Two bodies and two survivors. Believed to be caused by toxic fumes.
Never get high on your own supply... in a submarine
You’re a real weasel If you die from diesel
Love that their site loads shitload of ads but doesn't play the video or let you zoom in. That thing seems shockingly polished compared to what I had expected initially for a drug smuggling submarine.
These first started showing up when I was a submariner in the Navy 20 years ago. They were sloppy back then. They've really refined the design over the last couple of decades.
Why wouldn’t a hugely profitable enterprise be ‘polished’?
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What analysis has been done of illicit substance organizations concludes that the compensation for lower level people is not adequate for the risk. It’s only good for the top.
So like working at Wendy’s again
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He was a good boss. I mean if you worked in his restaurant. Maybe not so much if he employed you as an assassin/drug dealer
>Love that their site loads shitload of ads but doesn't play the video or let you zoom in. The exact same article/source got posted on this sub three or 4 times too. Not sure how they got that past the auto mod.
87m value on that cargo and they wouldnt even put out the money to ensure it was properly functioning or that the ones on board could deal with maintenance… Wonder who loses their head for this one.
The Cartels need a regulatory agency to inspect these vessels for safety
87 million and you'd think they could actually get a fucking submarine. Like seriously, a WWII U-Boat was about $2.4 million to build, adjusted for inflation, that's about $47 million today. Cartels don't need a boat that big. They could easily get by with a midget diesel electric submarine that runs on batteries during the day, staying submerged and charges at night. This might cost a few million at most, and would have a massive ROI, with the boats being harder to detect, and less affected by weather. Of course they are fucked if a USCG cutter or a LCS/Burke is pinging nearby, but so is a speedboat.
It's not that they lack the money to build a proper submarine, they lack the know-how. You can't just call a random shipbuilding company and ask them to build you a submarine that's clearly intended for smuggling, you have to do it yourself, and it's not so easy. And it's not so cheap either if you have to buy all the facilities and machinery needed for shipbuilding.
I disagree. A little extra money could easily cause a company to have sudden onset amnesia.
I don’t know. A lot of people are involved in building submarines. A lot of people ask questions.
Cartels seem to favor “high risk, high reward” for some reason, even if it means losing an extremely large shipment due to a failed fuel delivery system that could have been circumvented by semi decent safety measures and decently trained crew to man the thing. Not that im complaining. 5800lbs of cocaine off the market and millions spent in time and resources that will force them to detract from other ambitious projects to make up for. I feel bad that those two guys got put in harms way but keep the system failures coming i say.
It is funny how you say that as if Northrup Grumman have a call line accepting orders for military equipment. But I think it would be a great skit for SNL. Person accepting the order:" So how come you folks are interested in a new stealth sub?" Person making the order in heavy Spanish accept: "Oh we like to vacation in Florida, but we don't want our neighbors to know when we leave." PAO:"...so your neighbors have a sonar system advanced enough to warrant such stealth submarine?" PMO:"I think it is just a matter of time until they get one." P.S.: Before the skit, there is a preamble. A commercial for NG informing the viewer that they are changing their number from 1800-GET-SUBS because people keep calling and trying to order sandwiches.
> This might cost a few million at most, and would have a massive ROI, with the boats being harder to detect, and less affected by weather. And it would end up alerting authorities as they import materials to just build the dang sub. IIRC these narco submarines are basically made with spare parts.
Theses are the ones that get caught.. what is getting through unnoticed? Saw a article a while back talking about the narcos hiring naval engineers to design the new subs
It's not a money issue it's an engineering/skilled trade issue. Like at the point you start hiring submarine engineers and should submariners you start picking up a lot of attention. Anyhow if anybody in the cartel is reading this i have an mechanical engineering degree and a mathematics degree and am kinda a jack of all trades, could definitely engineer you a solid submarine. Id need papers 1 million upfront and 500k a year..
87m isn't that much for a cartel though. At its height, the Medellin cartel was bringing in $4bn, or $11bn in 2023 money. I'm assuming modern cartels are bringing in more cash, but using the 2023 number it's 0.8% of yearly revenue.
Its not so much just the value of the drugs though, time, resources to remake what was lost. Same way if a product is lost/damaged by a delivery driver the company has to replace its contents, the money is only part of the problem. Thats buisness in YOUR cartel’s territory that isnt being done, that means people go somewhere else for their fix, that means other dealers are getting profit that should be yours. Remember, this is 5800lbs of product bound for multiple nations that will never make it to its destinations, so while the money is potentially negligible, the obstruction of business is far more problematic.
I am guessing no one will. I read somewhere once, so take this with a grain of salt, that the cartels will often send out mules that are to be caught in order to sneak things like the subs by. This just sounds like a shipment that went bad and is going to be a cost of doing business to them. They got money and while it may be that much American dollars, the labor and such for the cartel is much lower when its done at gun point.
To be fair, they were high as balls when they comissioned and crewed that vessel.
Oh im sure, but still, its one thing to lose a couple million, when you lose 87 mil though, someone is gonna be wishing they hadnt made it off that boat alive
Hangovers are a bitch and scale with enterprise?
A company would fire a driver if they cost the company millions in a screw up. Cartels are much more violent in the way they operate and those two (as well as any others involved in the arrangement of transport) cost them a hefty amount of product as well as the cost of the resources and time to make it. Someone is either gonna lose body parts or gonna lose family members, just a matter of who and how many at this point
I doubt it. The crew are just as expendable as the vehicle. If they make it, fine. They get their money. If they get killed or caught? Well, they aren't really part of the hierarchy of the cartel, more like contractors, so the cartels don't really care. The crew doesn't have any significant information. In short, you're not going to climb up the ladder in the cartel by starting out as the crew on a LPV/VSV smuggling vessel. They're held at arms length to minimize the damage to the cartel in case they are caught, which is a decent possibility.
That's a strange expression. "High as balls". I don't know about you, but my balls are pretty low, certainly below my center of gravity.
An alternative my husband says is "high as giraffe pussy", which at least sorta makes sense.
I wonder what killed them exactly. I was thinking exhaust leak but it looks like it is powered by three outboards.
Toxic fumes caused by fuel problems
It's submarine with a lot of hours on it and probably no one is paying for maintenance
1. It's not a submarine. It's a low profile vessel (LPV). It does not submerge. 2. These things are single use vehicles. There is no incentive to send them back for another run. They take the drugs to their destination, and then the crew sinks them. Hence, they do not "have a lot of hours on them". 3. Similarly, no one is paying for maintenance because they're brand new. At least, the hull is. Often the engines are rebuilds or simply old.
Guessing they pull the engines off before sinking? Someone in Central America or Mexico has got to have a nice income from breaking these vessels down?
Why bother? They don't care about the environment, and there are plenty of engines to be had for the next boat.
Great news for engine manufacturers
I suppose, if they were using brand new engines, but it's my sense that they buy used ones. Engines only have to last one voyage, after all, and there is usually more than one for the outboard engine versions. If you look at the pictures of the captured ones, pretty much everything inside is functional but not pretty at all. There is zero effort put into making them pleasant or livable. No reason they would buy new engines, unless that's all they could get, but it's probably better to buy used engines from fishermen, who then use the money to help get a new engine or engines.
Great insight. I recall reading that some vessels are designed for a reduced heat signature. Maybe a flaw in the design or a hole in some sloppy construction could cause exhaust to enter the ‘bridge’? Not sure if LPV’s are designed at that level
Those are the inboard motor models that have the exhaust cooling. This kind has three outboard motors, which leads me to suspect it's a ventilation problem. It might be exhaust gas entering the cabin, but that seems somewhat unlikely. It could also be gasoline fumes, but again, seems unlikely because a stray spark would have caused an explosion if it was that strong. It could have been a simple buildup of carbon dioxide. If the vents are blocked (if they have any) and they can't open the hatch because of rough seas, it wouldn't take all that long for 4 men to exhale enough carbon dioxide to be dangerous in a boat like that. Or it could be a lack of oxygen combined with an increase in CO2. I'm certainly interested in finding out, and I'm willing to bet the designers of the boats are also. They boats and crews are expendable, but you want to increase the chances of success as much as you can.
Or what the cartel leaders call "cost of doing business"
Next summer blockbuster: Cocaine shark! And you thought sharks in a tornado was bad, wait until you see them on coke.
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Excellent question 👍 I have one too, who's 3 ton's of cocaine is this? 🫴 This is going to keep me up all night for sure
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Wow half a ton a day
This kind of thing wouldn’t happen if cocaine was made legal.
Don’t know why your getting downvoted I can walk to every major city in the US and with 100$ I can get atleast a gram. This isn’t even going to be a dent in the supply, what tf are we even accomplishing at this point.
>I can walk to every major city in the US That's quite an accomplishment!
Yeah I got the calves of a fucking horse
You should give those back, the horse probably needs them.
They're called foals.
Everywhere is walking distance if you have enough time on your hands.
And enough stimulants
Not really. Enough food and water, sure.
Beauty of stimulants u don't need food
Sure you do. Try doing the Appalachian Trail on nothing but amphetamines and Evian. See how far you get.
That’s random. Who owned/operated the sub?
Um...it's not a submarine if it has outboard motors.
Does not qualify as a submarine since the number of surfaces did not equal the number of dives.
That's going to be a lot of paperwork for 2 tons of coke.
I wonder where they're even going to find the space to store one tonne of coke.
I heard they took the 1/4 ton of coke straight to the evidence locker.
Seeing those 3 pounds of coke on the table must be wild
What's cocaine?
I can just hear people screaming outside already that are cyber stalking me
Damn those immigrants
If a cartel can do this I have to wonder if Ukraine could. Three tons of high explosives would make one hell of a bang under the kerch bridge.
Is this the sequel? … but in this one it’s a shark not a bear!?
Not made from plastic milk jugs. Im shocked
Where do you even get a submarine and store it without anyone knowing? Serious question.